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mikeinternet
Feb 6, 2008, 10:09 PM
i for one do not plan on using the new rental feature. and from the demo during mwsf i felt the new layout was driving rentals down your throat.

anyone else planning on not updating?



harcosparky
Feb 6, 2008, 10:18 PM
I was wondering about that myself.

I'll wait until it's released, than go to the Apple Store to check it out and decide.

billabong
Feb 6, 2008, 11:24 PM
i for one do not plan on using the new rental feature. and from the demo during mwsf i felt the new layout was driving rentals down your throat.

anyone else planning on not updating?

While it is geared towards rentals, I still think it will be an improvement from 1.0 ...


That is like staying with the iPod classic just because the iPod touch let's you buy from iTunes on it.

frankiepdx
Feb 7, 2008, 01:23 AM
What about the 5.1 update?

EvilRob
Feb 7, 2008, 07:01 AM
I don't hate the rentals thing, and I'll probably even use it, but for me, it depends on two things:


How the AC3 output is implemented
How bad the UI is for selecting a remote iTunes library

If the AC3 support is implemented as a Dolby Live style transcode from six channel AAC, then that's a pretty compelling reason to upgrade. If it's some sort of disgusting hack with an AC3 WAV embedded in a Quicktime container, then it's useless.

No one seems very clear on how the UI for selecting a remote library works, but if it can't display movies from a remote machine immediately when you click movies (as 1.x does) then that's an epic fail and the 2.x upgrade goes in the bin.

My main concern is how to downgrade if it turns out to be a disaster. Most of the AppleTV units I have are factory 1.0, upgraded over the wire to 1.1. You can get them back to 1.0 with a reset, but it'll be a hassle to get to 1.1 (not 2.0) without hacking.

Thinking I'll sacrifice one as a test, and then decide, but I'm open to other suggestions.

kjr39
Feb 7, 2008, 07:31 AM
If it's some sort of disgusting hack with an AC3 WAV embedded in a Quicktime container, then it's useless.

I'm guessing that it will not be as easy/integrated as we all hope it will be, but rather, you're spot on.

It is in Apple's best interest to force us to buy/rent from them, rather than rip our own movies...

hualon
Feb 7, 2008, 07:37 AM
I'm considering eschewing the update. I was hoping that they would improve the browsing interface for remote/synced content but it looks like they're not going to do that.

I'm not a fan, for instance, of browsing my huge movie collection on a remote library via a big alphabetical list. Are they going to add genre and other sorting options for owned content?

NightStorm
Feb 7, 2008, 07:58 AM
If the AC3 support is implemented as a Dolby Live style transcode from six channel AAC, then that's a pretty compelling reason to upgrade. If it's some sort of disgusting hack with an AC3 WAV embedded in a Quicktime container, then it's useless.
It won't need to be some disgusting hack, the MOV container (a Quicktime container) already supports H.264 and AC3.

gazfocus
Feb 7, 2008, 08:06 AM
I have just received my AppleTV today (purchased from the refurb store) and it's got the old software on it (version 1.1).

Is this because the new software isn't on ANY AppleTV's yet?

kbunch
Feb 7, 2008, 09:00 AM
I have just received my AppleTV today (purchased from the refurb store) and it's got the old software on it (version 1.1).

Is this because the new software isn't on ANY AppleTV's yet?

Correct, Take 2 is not available to anyone yet. It should be out in the next week or so.

I for one am going to update. I bought the AppleTV specifically for the rental function. I now don't have to buy a blue-ray player to get HD.

gazfocus
Feb 7, 2008, 09:09 AM
Correct, Take 2 is not available to anyone yet. It should be out in the next week or so.

I for one am going to update. I bought the AppleTV specifically for the rental function. I now don't have to buy a blue-ray player to get HD.

Same here. I want the rental function (although it'll probably mean I'll spend loads of money using it lol)

NightStorm
Feb 7, 2008, 09:19 AM
I think the update to the 10.5 codebase will make the update worth it alone.

Avatar74
Feb 7, 2008, 09:23 AM
While the design obviously encourages rentals. The business model has to somehow make AppleTV a convenience... and rentals are something the market has been screaming for since AppleTV was launched.

That said, I've heard that your LAN library will now appear consolidated, making it easier to navigate your entire selection regardless of which computer its on.

That's a net gain in my opinion. There will always be pushes for revenue streams but that doesn't mean you have to succumb to them.

I know some people are averse to rentals, but I'll tell you something... I started looking at our expenditures and realized we have well over 50 movies we have never watched, for which we probably paid an average price around say $15 (includes DVD releases). That's $750 down the drain on rapidly depreciating assets!

So we started curbing our habit of buying movies and started leveraging our Netflix account. It's not that we can't afford to waste money on movies... but it's still wasting money that could be better spent elsewhere.

One thing raised my interest... very few people seem to have made this observation in the media: Netflix's market capitalization is $1.7 billion.

Does anyone not notice how easily Apple could pay cash for them? And what Netflix shareholders would complain about having their stock converted to AAPL shares?

Duffinator
Feb 7, 2008, 10:05 AM
So we started curbing our habit of buying movies and started leveraging our Netflix account. It's not that we can't afford to waste money on movies... but it's still wasting money that could be better spent elsewhere.

One thing raised my interest... very few people seem to have made this observation in the media: Netflix's market capitalization is $1.7 billion.

Does anyone not notice how easily Apple could pay cash for them? And what Netflix shareholders would complain about having their stock converted to AAPL shares?That's the best idea I've read so far this year and very interesting concept.

mrklaw
Feb 7, 2008, 10:28 AM
worth updating for me to get the parental controls, regardless of rentals

roland.g
Feb 7, 2008, 10:32 AM
I'm certainly not planning on renting much, but I will, and I think the new interface will make improvements that make it worth it. We also use web gallery and so accessing .mac stuff will be worth it.