'Night of Panther' Oct 24th at 8pm [Archive]

pbooktebo

Oct 23, 2003, 11:39 AM

The lines at last year's Jaguar event were indeed long (I think my wait just to purchase Jaguar was 2 1/2 hours). This was due in no small part to the 10% off deal (several people bought 3 or 4 computer systems with printers, etc.), no ability to handle checks at the Genius bar (which was opened as a register), an in general underestimating the willingness of zealous mac fans to travel (1 1/2 hours in my case) to be a part of this event.

I do hope that they anticipate this, because I'll be there again tomorrow. ;)

000111one111000

Oct 23, 2003, 11:46 AM

I'll be at the Woodfield store. :)

Normally, when meeting people somewhere, I'd say "I'll be the geek wearing the Mac t-shirt."

I suppose that won't work this time. :)

enoch

stoid

Oct 23, 2003, 11:56 AM

I think that with Mac OS X, it didn't really fully develop until Jaguar. Now Panther is the first update that is adding features that are features and not a part of what you expect in the core of the OS. 10.0, 10.1 were all beta versions in my view, and 10.2 was the first "real" version of OS X. Now the Panther is out I wonder where Apple is going to go with the OS. Panther is a complete STELLAR package. By Thanksgiving 2004 are we all going to be drooling over all the awesome features of 10.4? I know that most OS X users are making the switch to 10.3, but Apple is really going to have to but some seriously awesome stuff in 10.4 in terms of performance if they want anyone to shell out another 130 dollars next year.

illumin8

Oct 23, 2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by Macrumors
Of interest, at last year's Jaguar (10.2) launch Event, Apple had an unadvertised 10% off promotion at Apple Stores.
Does anyone know if this (potential) discount might be honored at CompUSA in areas that don't have a real Apple store? I live in a state that doesn't even have 1 Apple store, so CompUSA is all we've got.

edStar

Oct 23, 2003, 12:01 PM

I really wish I had the money to part with for Panther. I'd have a very fun-filled weekend :)

I guess I'll have to wait till christmas. I really can't wait to try out all these much lauded new features.

sebaz

Oct 23, 2003, 12:02 PM

i plan to be showing around 6:30 pm at my apple store here in miami...first apple event i attend to, first mac os i buy for my first mac too...(too many firsts lol)

Chobit

Oct 23, 2003, 12:02 PM

I'll (probably) be at the Apple Store in Westfarms. I was there for the Jaguar launch, but its a bit of a drive. Does anyone know if you can use a student discount at the Apple Stores? Maybe they'll give out free Panther mousepads. My Jaguar mousepad is getting a bit worn out.

dongmin

Oct 23, 2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by stoid
Now the Panther is out I wonder where Apple is going to go with the OS. Panther is a complete STELLAR package. By Thanksgiving 2004 are we all going to be drooling over all the awesome features of 10.4? I know that most OS X users are making the switch to 10.3, but Apple is really going to have to but some seriously awesome stuff in 10.4 in terms of performance if they want anyone to shell out another 130 dollars next year.

think piles

;)

cdkf92

Oct 23, 2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Noiseboy
What was it like at the Apple store in NYC when Jag came out? Is it madness and mayhem with a line 2 years long to make a purchase and lining up on the street or was it a bit more laid back than that? I quite like the idea of a t-shirt or something but have no desire to be crushed in a stampede.

Cheers.

I wasn't around for the Jag launch but the 3Gen iPod launch at the NYC store was insane. The line literally wrapped around the entire block, and this was in the rain. If you don't like lines and crowds then I'd wait a day before heading down to the SoHo store. It will be chaos in that store on Friday.

jxyama

Oct 23, 2003, 12:07 PM

does anyone know if the 10% off promotion last year for jag could also be coupled with edu. discount? i'd go tomorrow to buy an emac if i can get the 10% off on top of the edu. discount... (of course, the 10% off is not a given, but i could go check it out nonetheless...)

jer2665

Oct 23, 2003, 12:10 PM

The festivities are supposed to be going on till 12 at the westfarm one atleast, probably most of them. think its worth going at 9:30 when I get out of school? hopefully stuff iwll still be going on

Noiseboy

Oct 23, 2003, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by cdkf92
I wasn't around for the Jag launch but the 3Gen iPod launch at the NYC store was insane. The line literally wrapped around the entire block, and this was in the rain. If you don't like lines and crowds then I'd wait a day before heading down to the SoHo store. It will be chaos in that store on Friday.

Hhmmm...thanks for that. Maybe I'll just order it online after all.
My problem is that I'm dying to get Panther up and running but as yet it isn't supported by ProTools and probably won't be for another month yet. Major dillema! Maybe work will have to go on the back burner for a while:)

stoid

Oct 23, 2003, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by stoid
By Thanksgiving 2004 are we all going to be drooling over all the awesome features of 10.4? I know that most OS X users are making the switch to 10.3, but Apple is really going to have to but some seriously awesome stuff in 10.4 in terms of performance if they want anyone to shell out another 130 dollars next year.

I took a look at Mac OS release dates:

Mac OS 1 - 1984
Mac OS 2 - 1985
Mac OS 3 - 1986
Mac OS 4 - 1987
Mac OS 6 - 1988
Mac OS 7 - 1991
Mac OS 8 (Copland) - 1997
Mac OS 9 (Gershwin) - 1999
Mac OS X (Cheetah) - March 2001
Mac OS X (Puma) - October 2001
Mac OS X (Jaguar) - late 2002
Mac OS X (Panther) - October, 24 2003

bwintx

Oct 23, 2003, 12:19 PM

October 23 Wall Street Journal:

"If You're Getting Tired Of Fighting Viruses, Consider a New Mac"
By WALTER S. MOSSBERG

http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20031023.html
(Subscription not needed to view)

It does mention Panther, too, so this isn't a totally OT post. :)

But this article -- and from this publication, in particular -- is great to show those MBA types who are world-weary of dealing with the Wintel boxes with which they've loaded their companies, and need to hear about something other than alternatives (like Linux) that are beyond their understanding.

reyesmac

Oct 23, 2003, 12:22 PM

I think many people will have their own personal Night of Panther at home since ordered copies of 10.3 should arrive by friday.

Ja Di ksw

Oct 23, 2003, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by stoid
I know that most OS X users are making the switch to 10.3, but Apple is really going to have to but some seriously awesome stuff in 10.4 in terms of performance if they want anyone to shell out another 130 dollars next year.

Didn't we say the same thing when we got Jaguar, that they would have to have something awesome in 10.3 in order for us to pay another $130?

Personally, I would LOVE Panther, but I'm not seeing all that much in it. Fast user switching, cool, but I'm the only one who uses my computer regularly enough to use that. iChat AV? Nice, but I don't need a video by any means, in fact, I'd almost rather type, so I can get up and get food and whatnot, or be doing other things, and not seem rude. Xcode? most mac users I know don't develop their own stuff. FileVault isn't useful for me, I'm not afraid of anyone stealing my environmental and evolutionary physiology notes, or the pictures of my cat. The new mail is nice, but, not THAT different. The only thing I would use, and a lot, is exposé. That would be sweet to have, but not $130 sweet.

Oh well, I know I'm going to get ripped for this post, but whatever. I love Apple and I definitely want Panther, but not at that price.

edit: oh yeah, and the new Finder windows. Brushed metal now, and the folders were moved to the side instead of top. Again, not that much. Yeah, I know there's more to it than that, but you get my point.

Safeguy

Oct 23, 2003, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by jxyama
does anyone know if the 10% off promotion last year for jag could also be coupled with edu. discount? i'd go tomorrow to buy an emac if i can get the 10% off on top of the edu. discount... (of course, the 10% off is not a given, but i could go check it out nonetheless...)

in january when i finally decided I'd pay for an operating system, i went to an apple for jag. apparently, they can apply an edu discount on hardware in the store, but not software. at least that was the case then. but, i suppose it's worth a shot.

oh, just read your post. nevermind, i don't know.

BigHairyBuds

Oct 23, 2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by DrGruv1
see you there..
i'll be "wearing" the really red eyes topped off with my favorite cologne ;)

Iconocat

Oct 23, 2003, 01:02 PM

I'm not really sure if different stores are going to have a different plan of action for tomorrow night or not, but I'd like to pass along some info I got re: the Clarendon Apple Store in the No. VA/Washington, DC metro area.

Today at lunch I stopped by and asked them some questions about the event. They WILL be honoring the government employee discounts which I assume applies to the education ones as well.

The store will close between approx. 7-7:30pm and will reopen at 8:00pm. Based on previous events, they are expecting a lot of people but said weather could play a factor since it's apt to be pretty chilly tomorrow night (is that going to stop me, NO!).

There was an average amount of people in the store today but there did seem to be an energy. :) The people working seemed pretty happy and excited.

Hope to see some of you all in this area there! I'll have my digital camera and will post pics on the forum. :) Btw, I noticed there is a Cheesecake Factory nearby! I don't know if this is new or if I just never realised it was there. If it is chilly it'll be nice to have some hot coffee waiting in line!

It's allllllllllllllllmost time... :)

(am I the only one at work or school having a hard time concentrating today??)

Java

Oct 23, 2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Einherjar
Jesus, they're already at 65?

Ohh well, go Panther! :-P Bay Street in California was #50, and that opened up last year.

Alex Bischoff

Oct 23, 2003, 01:04 PM

Has anyone heard when PowerBooks will be available with Panther preloaded?

AmigoMac

Oct 23, 2003, 01:05 PM

Just want to start a rumor for a rumor site... a good source told me this site will change the look to a panther style...

Classic, Aqua & Brushed Metal ... to select for the forum UI ... ;)

:D

Java

Oct 23, 2003, 01:06 PM

I'll be at the Bay Street Mall in Emeryville, CA if anyone wants to join me. Should be a blast.

BigHairyBuds

Oct 23, 2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Ja Di ksw
Didn't we say the same thing when we got Jaguar, that they would have to have something awesome in 10.3 in order for us to pay another $130?

Personally, I would LOVE Panther, but I'm not seeing all that much in it. Fast user switching, cool, but I'm the only one who uses my computer regularly enough to use that. iChat AV? Nice, but I don't need a video by any means, in fact, I'd almost rather type, so I can get up and get food and whatnot, or be doing other things, and not seem rude. Xcode? most mac users I know don't develop their own stuff. FileVault isn't useful for me, I'm not afraid of anyone stealing my environmental and evolutionary physiology notes, or the pictures of my cat. The new mail is nice, but, not THAT different. The only thing I would use, and a lot, is exposé. That would be sweet to have, but not $130 sweet.

Oh well, I know I'm going to get ripped for this post, but whatever. I love Apple and I definitely want Panther, but not at that price.

edit: oh yeah, and the new Finder windows. Brushed metal now, and the folders were moved to the side instead of top. Again, not that much. Yeah, I know there's more to it than that, but you get my point.

at this point...if they include these amazing "features" i'd shell out $70 for an edu version...I want to see:

a single look to the GUI...it's honestly gotten so sloppy it's sad.

the ability to customize my system icons without having to BUY candy bar...are you ********** kidding? how hard can it be? why should i have to pay to change my trash icon...(deleting candy bar's preferences is a work around but still...id rather be honest)

the ability to choose an overall theme...aqua and aluminum don't mix, i give apple an F for GUI Design. The only thing I like are high res icons. I don't want to work in Candy Land damnit!

tsmit

Oct 23, 2003, 01:32 PM

I'll be at the Cambridgeside store around 7:30.

iLilana

Oct 23, 2003, 01:59 PM

I spoke with a sales dude (chris) at Westworld Computers Calgary location and the panther event will be wine and cheese at 7 PM and Panther goes on sale at 8pm. No prize draws as of yet.

banjoboy1979

Oct 23, 2003, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Iconocat
Hope to see some of you all in this area there! I'll have my digital camera and will post pics on the forum. :) Btw, I noticed there is a Cheesecake Factory nearby! I don't know if this is new or if I just never realised it was there. If it is chilly it'll be nice to have some hot coffee waiting in line!

It's allllllllllllllllmost time... :)

(am I the only one at work or school having a hard time concentrating today??)

Iconocat-

I live about a five minute walk from the Clarendon store--and that cheesecake factory is brand new. And hideously ugly. ;) Did you notice the hideous globe thing on the roof. Just awful.

See you there!

zephc

Oct 23, 2003, 02:23 PM

about going to the Cupertino one, cuz that's closest. Hope it's not TOO packed :)

CrackedButter

Oct 23, 2003, 02:24 PM

Yeah, you yanks enjoy yourselves tomorrow, don't worry about the rest of the world outside the states.

Thankyou Apple for making this possible.

jxyama

Oct 23, 2003, 02:35 PM

i'll probably go to novi, MI store... the mall website said that the apple store would be closed from 7:30pm to 8pm.

also, i think the mall will be extending its hours until midnight since the apple store will be open til then. the mall usually closes at 9pm...

let me try and see if i can get the $846.94 eMac (after taxes) for $714.55... ($50 edu. discount and hopefully, unannounced 10% discount...)

:cool:

valypan

Oct 23, 2003, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by reyesmac
I think many people will have their own personal Night of Panther at home since ordered copies of 10.3 should arrive by friday.

You bet we will! I am ready with candies,cakes,drinks, backup safe and sound on external hard drive and digital camera of course ;)
All of you guys think Panther will arrive by friday? have not received a shipping email yet :(

Macurious

Oct 23, 2003, 03:14 PM

Do you think this unannounced 10% discount is going to happen?

jxyama

Oct 23, 2003, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Macurious
Do you think this unannounced 10% discount is going to happen?

i *think* so... there's the mention of "great savings"...

i'm buying my mom's emac if there's one!

markeleven

Oct 23, 2003, 03:27 PM

Was just at the Apple store in Soho and they were loading in large pallets of stuff in boxes. I'm talking 4x4x3 foot sized boxes on pallets. could be something good, or maybe just candy and they are getiing ready for halloween next week...

psxndc

Oct 23, 2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Ja Di ksw
Didn't we say the same thing when we got Jaguar, that they would have to have something awesome in 10.3 in order for us to pay another $130?

I did which is why I haven't ordered it yet. I bought an iBook (my first Mac) and 3 months later they released Jaguar with no upgrade price. "Welcome switchers! Join the multitude of the gouged". The only reason I am considering getting Panther is because now I qualify for educational pricing. If I still had to pay full retail there would be no way I would get it. I love Apple and I just couldn't switch back but sorry: I'm not shelling out $130 every year no matter what features you stick in there.

"Fool me once... shame on... shame on you. Fool me twice... uh... uhh..... you can't fool me again."

That being said, I'll still show up for the fun.

-p

MacsRgr8

Oct 23, 2003, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by CrackedButter
Yeah, you yanks enjoy yourselves tomorrow, don't worry about the rest of the world outside the states.

Over here in Holland there are a couple of resellers open at 8 pm for the release of Panther.
I'll be in Woerden (MacHouse for those reading who are from Holland :) ), so it "feels" a bit like "Night of Panther" here too... :D

valypan

Oct 23, 2003, 03:46 PM

Yeah also here in Denmark some resellers are open and distribute Panther tomorrow evening :) I am sure this is happening everywhere not?

Originally posted by MacsRgr8
Over here in Holland there are a couple of resellers open at 8 pm for the release of Panther.
I'll be in Woerden (MacHouse for those reading who are from Holland :) ), so it "feels" a bit like "Night of Panther" here too... :D

adminforums

Oct 23, 2003, 03:49 PM

I just ordered my first Mac on the 21st, and called into Apple to see what the status of the order was. I know ....I'm quick on the draw but damn it I want my notebook already! ;)

They told me the just got an e-mail that stated all notebooks sold on the 21st would ship with Panter installed. I spoke to them on the 22nd.

They already zapped my credit card for for it ....so now i sit here and wait..... ;(

pigwin32

Oct 23, 2003, 04:11 PM

Where's the [rant] tag? A great big launch of a new operating system and our local Apple reseller is going to be closed because it's a long weekend. I cannot believe it. Not only that, the NZ distributor's website will not display it's page of resellers. After much phoning and talking to the Apple NZ marketing team there is a Wellington computer store that will have copies, but they claim to know nothing. Given the almost total lack of knowledge of Apple products demonstrated by most computer store staff why would I not believe them. It would be nice if Apple got it's **** together down here. The guys that control distribution appear incapable of capitalising on the new products. They're still focused on their traditional market segment and the plonker who presents the annual Apple updates raves about how simplistic the Apple products are. Maybe if he checked a dictionary he would either stop using the term or not rave about it quite so much. Don't get me wrong, I've had some good experiences with the staff at the local reseller, but I'm astonished they will be closed for the big launch. And don't get me started on the price of Apple products here.

SiliconAddict

Oct 23, 2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by stoid
Now the Panther is out I wonder where Apple is going to go with the OS. Panther is a complete STELLAR package. By Thanksgiving 2004.....

I think the better question is when is Apple going to release the next version of SOX. Apple knows they have years now to compete against the next version of Windows. Panther is a strong OS. Strong enough to kick the crap out of XP for the next few years. I'm wondering if they may push a new release back to 2005?

I also wonder if Apple may have a parallel program going on to develop OS 11. I can't imagine that they are sitting on their thumbs while MS rewrites Windows from the ground up. So while one team tweaks OS X .2 .3 .4 etc another is working on whatever goodness will be found in OS 11. *drools at the though of what might be in OS11. I’ll miss the cat names. :)

As for Panther launch. The Apple store in the MoA is closed but the Edina one is open but honestly I wouldn't be caught dead at one of these things. I'm a geek and all. I've got a PDA permanently attached to my car dash for GPS usage but going out on a Friday night for a launch of software? :p

QuiteSure

Oct 23, 2003, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by SiliconAddict

As for Panther launch. ... I'm a geek and all. I've got a PDA permanently attached to my car dash for GPS usage but going out on a Friday night for a launch of software? :p

As a sad old married guy, me and my buddy are going to the Panther event in Towson, MD even though we both already have Panther coming via the Up to Date program. Just going to be fun to see all the macheads.

As for the 10% off, I just bought a 12"PB from Maczone. $1595, $40 512 mb ram upgrade (@$110 value), free shipping, no tax. If I'd bought at the Maryland Apple store even assuming the 10% discount, I'd have to pay 5% sales tax and wouldn't get anywhere near the steep discount on the ram upgrade. IOW, in states like MD, a 10% discount doesn't take you very far, unless it's a big order.

But maybe a 20" display ...

CrackedButter

Oct 23, 2003, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
I can't imagine that they are sitting on their thumbs while MS rewrites Windows from the ground up.

Yeah MS, write it from the ground up? Don't think so.

QuiteSure

Oct 23, 2003, 04:38 PM

And BTW, just being able to sort by date modified in open and save dialog boxes will make Panther worth the upgrade price.

Add in expose and it's like they're paying me to use it!:p

dho

Oct 23, 2003, 04:47 PM

Hey Java:

I plan on going to the Bay Street store too.

Maybe I could make a poster that says "Macrumors" and attach it to a big stick.

I am seriosly considering that...

any more Bay street people? If there are I can start making a poster now :)

edit: if anyone else is going to the Bay Street Store you can leave me a private message or email me (da_dho at hotmail.com)

sethypoo

Oct 23, 2003, 05:00 PM

Well, I'm going to the "Night of Panther" at the Sacramento Arden Fair store with my girlfriend. Yes. you read right, it's a date! She's that cool, going to a Apple Store with a Mac geek. She loves me! :D

Anyway, I ordered Panther two days ago and they bumped my shipping up to standard overnight from standard freight, plus it shipped from Elk Grove, CA, which is like a hop skip and a jump away from here. Hopefully I'll have Panther in my hot little hands by Friday.....my girlfriend can't wait either, I've made a Mac lover out of her too.....mu-hahahahaha!

cubist

Oct 23, 2003, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by stoid
I took a look at Mac OS release dates:

Mac OS 1 - 1984
Mac OS 2 - 1985
Mac OS 3 - 1986
Mac OS 4 - 1987
Mac OS 6 - 1988
Mac OS 7 - 1991
Mac OS 8 (Copland) - 1997
Mac OS 9 (Gershwin) - 1999
Mac OS X (Cheetah) - March 2001
Mac OS X (Puma) - October 2001
Mac OS X (Jaguar) - late 2002
Mac OS X (Panther) - October, 24 2003

Actually, Mac OS 8 was Tempo; Copland was never released. And they made a big fuss about 7.1, 7.5, 7.6. I paid $50, I think, for Mac OS 7.6, and then bought 8.0 less than a year later for, I think, another $50. There was a fuss over 8.1, 8.5 and 8.6 too. Mac OS 9 cost me a cool $99.

I suppose we should also say that versions older than 7 weren't called "Mac OS"... and that they usually came on floppies. System 6 fit on 4 low-density floppies, I think.

BTW, my Panther arrived while I was at work today. I will be opening it in less than an hour :D

mxpiazza

Oct 23, 2003, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Alex Bischoff
Has anyone heard when PowerBooks will be available with Panther preloaded?
probably not for a while. they're just going to throw cd's in the box. i knew someone who bought a powerbook 3 months after jag's release and it had the cd's in the box... it just depends on how fast the powerbooks already loaded with jag get through the channel.

Foxer

Oct 23, 2003, 05:25 PM

Mayfair store anyone?

Picked up Jaguar last year at Woodfrield and it was friggin' nuts. Never saw a line soooo long at the mall. Hopefully, with new stores in the area, the crowd will be dispersed slightly. I know my "new" local store didn't exist This time last year. (Of course the grand opening at Mayfair also had a huge line. But that was free, not $130.)

SiliconAddict

Oct 23, 2003, 05:29 PM

Sidetrack for a second..................

Originally posted by CrackedButter
Yeah MS, write it from the ground up? Don't think so.

Pull your head out of the mac world and do some research. They haven't delayed it to 2006 because they are still working on the packaging. Longhorn is a rewrite from the ground up. They may, and probably are from the Alpha's I've seen, used some code from XP but the overall OS is being revamped.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25878.html

Says Schlender: "Bill and his teams are starting with a clean sheet of paper, rethinking what a computer operating system actually is, from the way documents and other data are stored and shared to the way people interact with the machine.... Gates' geeks are completely overhauling the operating system

OK back on topic. This is about OSX not Windows my point being that Apple really isn't under any pressure to release a .4 version anytime soon.

bankshot

Oct 23, 2003, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by mxpiazza
probably not for a while. they're just going to throw cd's in the box. i knew someone who bought a powerbook 3 months after jag's release and it had the cd's in the box... it just depends on how fast the powerbooks already loaded with jag get through the channel.

Hmm, we bought an iBook about a month after Jaguar and it was preinstalled. I doubt it would take that long to switch system images. Especially with 7B85 being in existence for a few weeks now. We did order directly from Apple, so maybe if your friend got one elsewhere, it was just stuck in the retail channel for a couple months.

My dad's been waiting for Panther before he buys his G5. It's his first Mac and he doesn't want to mess with installing/upgrading the OS. I'm trying to find out for sure when they'll start shipping with Panther preinstalled (if they haven't already). As soon as it's confirmed, he'll be placing his order. Right now the Online store still shows graphics of Jaguar with the G5s. I'll see if they update it tomorrow...

Silver

Oct 23, 2003, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by dho
Hey Java:

I plan on going to the Bay Street store too.

Maybe I could make a poster that says "Macrumors" and attach it to a big stick.

I am seriosly considering that...

any more Bay street people? If there are I can start making a poster now :)

edit: if anyone else is going to the Bay Street Store you can leave me a private message or email me (da_dho at hotmail.com)

Yeah, There would be at least 3 of us.
I plan on getting there a bit before 6 to avoid (hopefully) some of the rush, and to see the presentation they have planned (according to thier iCal).

jxyama

Oct 23, 2003, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Pull your head out of the mac world and do some research. They haven't delayed it to 2006 because they are still working on the packaging. Longhorn is a rewrite from the ground up. They may, and probably are from the Alpha's I've seen, used some code from XP but the overall OS is being revamped.

i'll believe it when they actually do it. they can say whatever they want, but i'm not going to believe that longhorn is a completely new OS until it's released. afterall, this is a company that released Windows 95 touting it's 32-bit ness and emphasized how much they are getting away from DOS when even a novice like myself (at least back in 1995) could immediately tell it was still based on DOS. it may not have been a lie, but it was enough to fool a whole lot of people and make them wonder what was going on.

in the article, it mentions how gates have certain visions of what you can do with longhorn... like screening phone calls. i think this is utter nonsense. if they really were designing OS from the ground up to be delivered in 2005/6, i highly doubt that they will be talking about how it ties to applications and devices.

of course, i could be completely wrong. but if i were gates, the last thing i'd worry right now is how to screen phone calls on the new OS. i'd worry how to make it so secure and rock solid that they won't have to issue patches every other week.

regardless, it will be an exciting day tomorrow!

mxpiazza

Oct 23, 2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by bankshot
Hmm, we bought an iBook about a month after Jaguar and it was preinstalled. I doubt it would take that long to switch system images. Especially with 7B85 being in existence for a few weeks now. We did order directly from Apple, so maybe if your friend got one elsewhere, it was just stuck in the retail channel for a couple months.

My dad's been waiting for Panther before he buys his G5. It's his first Mac and he doesn't want to mess with installing/upgrading the OS. I'm trying to find out for sure when they'll start shipping with Panther preinstalled (if they haven't already). As soon as it's confirmed, he'll be placing his order. Right now the Online store still shows graphics of Jaguar with the G5s. I'll see if they update it tomorrow...
my buddy got his book from a reseller, so you never really know, but i'm sure the turnover rate will be real quick for apple-purchased systems. resellers though... it could be a few months.

x86isslow

Oct 23, 2003, 05:59 PM

i think i might head over to cambridgeside, i wont be buying panther, more just to get outta the MA burbs.. ooh the thought of being in the city.. where ppl actually outnumber cows :rolleyes:

rdowns

Oct 23, 2003, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by cubist

System 6 fit on 4 low-density floppies, I think.
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Yep, 4 800k floppies. As I recall System Tools 1 and 2, System Utilities and Printing Tools.

Lepton

Oct 23, 2003, 06:04 PM

No one seems to have mentioned it, but there is a giveaway sweepstakes of an iMac. I can't tell reading the rules, but it might be one per store! Here's the page to read about it:

Apple Panther Event (http://www.apple.com/retail/panther/)

rdowns

Oct 23, 2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Lepton
No one seems to have mentioned it, but there is a giveaway sweepstakes of an iMac. I can't tell reading the rules, but it might be one per store! Here's the page to read about it:

Apple Panther Event (http://www.apple.com/retail/panther/)

I think (different) it is one per store. Says the store manager will be doing the drawing on the 25th.

tsmit

Oct 23, 2003, 06:28 PM

Anyone going to Cambridgeside, i'm trying to see if a group of us to get a coffee or drink at Cheesecake.

Drop me an IM, i'll be on all day tomorrow:

AIM: Mr Budfoot

brooklyn

Oct 23, 2003, 06:28 PM

I’ll be representing at the Apple Store in the Menlo Park Mall (NJ). I’ll be the one with the Bill Gates Piñata. Be careful when it breaks open… I think it’s full of viruses.

slowtreme

Oct 23, 2003, 06:38 PM

Tampa FL International Mall anyone?

I read the give-away as ONE iMac total, not one per location. Not the best odds.

Prize and Approximate Retail Value. One (1) Grand Prize — a 15-inch iMac computer with Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW). Approximate retail value is $1,299.00.
For the name of the Grand Prize winner, available after Monday, November 27, 2003, send a separate self-addressed, stamped envelope to Store Operations, Apple Computer, Bubb 8, Cupertino, CA 95014. The request must be received by November 1, 2003.

Iconocat

Oct 23, 2003, 06:44 PM

...tempted to wear a "HELLO... my name is __________" tag w/ my nickname on it! ;) But that might be too sad, even for me.

Seriously tho, if anyone wants to meet up at Clarendon tomorrow night IM me @ StarsInMaBelly or ICQ # 233169.

Not sure what time exactly to head over, I should get off work between 4:30 and 5:00pm.

Oh well, my black Apple shirt is all ready to go!!

I'll never be ashamed of being this excited about getting something for my mac. :)

Lancetx

Oct 23, 2003, 06:48 PM

The iMac giveaway is one per store location...

Random Drawing and Notification of Winners. A winner will be selected in a random drawing conducted at approximately 10:00 a.m. on October 25, 2003, from among all eligible entries received at this Apple Store location. The drawing will be conducted by a store manager, whose decisions are final on all matters relating to this Sweepstakes. The winner need not be present at the drawing to win.

alia

Oct 23, 2003, 06:51 PM

I'll be at the International Mall in Tampa with the boyfriend and hopefully my mom. :) If they stack discounts (education + promo), which I doubt they'll do, then I'll be buying (FINALLY!!) my Powerbook tomorrow. If not, I'll be ordering it online when I get home. :)

Alia

Romanesq

Oct 23, 2003, 06:52 PM

the night!

Oh boy, everyone is all charged.

avus

Oct 23, 2003, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by SiliconAddict

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25878.html

Says Schlender: "Bill and his teams are starting with a clean sheet of paper, rethinking what a computer operating system actually is, from the way documents and other data are stored and shared to the way people interact with the machine.... Gates' geeks are completely overhauling the operating system

I hate it when someone is using big words like "a clean sheet of paper... rethinking what a computer operating system actually is..."

The statement like this actually shows how clueless they really are - LIKE THEY'VE NEVER THOUGHT OF THESE POINTS FOR THEIR PRODUCTS UNTIL NOW - and that they have so far done nothing more than borrowing someone else's idea and repackaging it with massive marketing effort.

If there will be any truth in this hallow statement about overhauling the OS, then Longhorn will be released in... say, Year 2106.

They can be the most admired company in the US, but all they will get from me is nothing but a blank stare.

ldkaplan

Oct 23, 2003, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by bankshot

My dad's been waiting for Panther before he buys his G5. It's his first Mac and he doesn't want to mess with installing/upgrading the OS. I'm trying to find out for sure when they'll start shipping with Panther preinstalled (if they haven't already). As soon as it's confirmed, he'll be placing his order. Right now the Online store still shows graphics of Jaguar with the G5s. I'll see if they update it tomorrow...

There's really no mess in the install. The upgrade to Jaguar was rather painless. I hope Panther is the same. But I can empathize, I at least want it sent with my G5 if not already installed (which is also why I am waiting).

SiliconAddict

Oct 23, 2003, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by avus
I hate it when someone is using big words like "a clean sheet of paper... rethinking what a computer operating system actually is..."

[scratch]

They can be the most admired company in the US, but all they will get from me is nothing but a blank stare.

MS admired? Maybe for their cash reserves. :p

Yes I too cringed at the language. Can you say buzz word bingo? Read between the lines. If they weren't serious they could probably push Longhorn out next year or in early 2005. The fact that they have pushed it back 3 years should tell you something.

psxndc

Oct 23, 2003, 07:26 PM

Please, please, please. All Massachusetts Macheads go to cambridgeside. Stay away from Chestnut Hill. There is nothing for you to see or win there. ;)

Trying to increase my odds,
-p

zenichi

Oct 23, 2003, 07:26 PM

Received my Panther today in Fiji.

NOTHING every happens here first (short of the sun rising) so quite happy to feel on the cutting edge, even if only for a day.

jonathan

catdog02481

Oct 23, 2003, 08:01 PM

The single most important reason for upgrading is not Expose ot iChat AV but the amazingly fast Preview and user interface. Preview is now the absolutely fastest way to read PDF files regardless of platform! PDF files simply pop open and scroll superfast. It is amazing...:D

Fall

Oct 23, 2003, 08:14 PM

Esposé is crap. If you can't hit ctrl+h to close your programs, hold alt when you click the finder or need more than two finder windows open at one time it's your own problem.

Work neater, work smarter.

Exposé will be turned off the moment I install 10.3 I need those keys for my own progs.

slowtreme

Oct 23, 2003, 08:33 PM

I'm looking forward to all the new compatibility features with windows networks. Of the 150 new features, something like 30 of them are related to making nice with Windows systems. That's a big plus for me.

h'biki

Oct 23, 2003, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Fall
Esposé is crap. If you can't hit ctrl+h to close your programs, hold alt when you click the finder or need more than two finder windows open at one time it's your own problem.

Work neater, work smarter.

Exposé will be turned off the moment I install 10.3 I need those keys for my own progs.

Its crap because you don't have a need it?

Wow.

notjustjay

Oct 23, 2003, 09:16 PM

Tonight was my night of the panther....

I like it... except for some reason my terminal seems sluggish, and my battery life doesn't immediately look like it's better (like some people said). Hmm.

Installing the update was pretty darned near painless. And bootup time is like 10x faster now. Woohoo!

sethypoo

Oct 23, 2003, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by avus
I hate it when someone is using big words like "a clean sheet of paper... rethinking what a computer operating system actually is..."

The statement like this actually shows how clueless they really are - LIKE THEY'VE NEVER THOUGHT OF THESE POINTS FOR THEIR PRODUCTS UNTIL NOW - and that they have so far done nothing more than borrowing someone else's idea and repackaging it with massive marketing effort.

If there will be any truth in this hallow statement about overhauling the OS, then Longhorn will be released in... say, Year 2106.

They can be the most admired company in the US, but all they will get from me is nothing but a blank stare.

Nice, very nice. Harsh, but true. You'd think microsoft would have figured out what an operating system is by now, since, ya know, they were the first to come up with one (joke). :D

jcook793

Oct 23, 2003, 09:31 PM

I'll be going to the Pasadena, CA store to try and snag a t-shirt. I'm actually from Ohio, but I'm in L.A. for some company training.

Now when I win that iMac, I wonder how they'll get it to me... ;)

davetrow1997

Oct 23, 2003, 09:35 PM

Can't say I've been keeping track of exactly when during the month Apple mails its Developer stuff.. but did they ship the November mailing early?
-----------------------------------
Dear ADC Member,

The ADC Mailing for November 2003 shipped on October 23, 2003.
Please see below for the contents, shipping information, and
expected arrival times.

Best regards,

Apple Developer Connection

-------------------------------------
CONTENTS OF NOVEMBER 2003 MAILING
-------------------------------------
[1] Mac OS X 10.3 Panther and Xcode Tools

The Mac OS X 10.3 set is a 4-disc package that includes Install Discs 1, 2, and 3, and Xcode Tools Version 1.0. These discs are the same as those included in retail kits.

pourhadi

Oct 23, 2003, 10:26 PM

Ok, we're using our IRC channel to do a live chat for "Night of the Panther". It's open to all, and we would really like people from other Apple stores to participate, and to include "|" + the Apple store they are at in their nicks, for example, mine would be "pourhadi|Woodfield".

The channel is #techbytes and it is on server IRC.CYBER2K.NET. So, come on by!

Jeff Harrell

Oct 23, 2003, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by bankshot
Hmm, we bought an iBook about a month after Jaguar and it was preinstalled.I bought a dual GHz G4 the night Jaguar was released (10% off, doncha know), and 10.2 was preinstalled, including the CD's in the box and everything. Of course, in all fairness, I seem to recall that that generation of machines got 10.2 a bit before the retail boxes were available.

kirk26

Oct 23, 2003, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by BigHairyBuds
i'll be "wearing" the really red eyes topped off with my favorite cologne ;)

lol

dho

Oct 23, 2003, 10:57 PM

Silver:
great, I will see you there
my name is david

Nobs

Oct 23, 2003, 10:59 PM

Cleveland is FINALLY getting a mac store tomorrow. I am going early to get a t-shirt and then getting Panther later in the evening.

Anyone else from Cleveland here?

windwaves

Oct 23, 2003, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Noiseboy
Hhmmm...thanks for that. Maybe I'll just order it online after all.
My problem is that I'm dying to get Panther up and running but as yet it isn't supported by ProTools and probably won't be for another month yet. Major dillema! Maybe work will have to go on the back burner for a while:)

Just go there later - all the losers will be in line starting at 6pm or earlier. Go around 9:30pm, even 10pm. This is what I did for the iPod party and I even got a t-shirt :)
And have an alternative plan. I am going around 9:30pm and if it is still crazy, there are plenty of things to do down in Soho. I am not even going for Panther, just for the "party"

Doctor Q

Oct 23, 2003, 11:12 PM

The rules may say that there is one raffle prize per store, but that doesn't tell me what I need to know: am I eligible to win the raffle at more than one store? If so, I plan to win two iMacs. Otherwise, I guess I'll just have to settle for one. ;)

florio

Oct 23, 2003, 11:13 PM

The only thing is ... I am so hungover, I can't sit up for more than a minute...I guess it will have to wait til tomorrow.

Phil Of Mac

Oct 23, 2003, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by stoid
I took a look at Mac OS release dates:

Mac OS 1 - 1984
Mac OS 2 - 1985
Mac OS 3 - 1986
Mac OS 4 - 1987
Mac OS 6 - 1988
Mac OS 7 - 1991

These were all branded "System", not "Mac OS". The first Mac OS was Mac OS 7.6. It was called Mac OS to accomodate the clone systems at that time, built by vendors such as Power Computing, Motorola, Umax, and Daystar.

Originally posted by stoid
Mac OS 8 (Copland) - 1997

Codename was Tempo. Copland was the ill-fated project to rewrite the Mac OS around the new kernel, NuKernel. It was replaced by Rhapsody in 1997, which in 1998 became Mac OS X.

Mac OS 8.5 was released in 1998. Codenamed Allegro, Mac OS 8.5 introduced Sherlock, the main feature of which was contextual searching. (It existed in Mac OS 8, but it required an arcane hack, and was incredibly slow as well.)

Originally posted by stoid
Mac OS 9 (Gershwin) - 1999

Mac OS 9 was codenamed Sonata.

Originally posted by stoid
Mac OS X (Cheetah) - March 2001

Mac OS X version 10.0 was predated by Mac OS X Server version 1.0 (January 1999). Mac OS X Server 1.0 was pretty much what Rhapsody was intended to be, i.e. no Carbon, but still a full OS. Mac OS X Server 1.0 had a darkened Mac OS 9 interface (Aqua wasn't demonstrated until MWNY 1999). The first Aquafied version, Mac OS X Public Beta, was available for a very low cost in 2000. However, it was set to expire in May 2001. I will take this opportunity to proudly say that I bought the Mac OS X Public Beta, tried it, and quickly switched back to Mac OS 9 due to speed concerns. But it was great.

Originally posted by stoid
Mac OS X (Puma) - October 2001

Mac OS X 10.1 ("Puma") was not a full upgrade, but rather a $20/free update.

Originally posted by stoid
Mac OS X (Jaguar) - late 2002

The first Mac OS X where the "cat" codename became part of the product name, prompting Apple to veto the "Pinot" codename for 10.3 in favor of "Panther". However, Apple has a long history of codenames eventually becoming official product names. The codename of the Macintosh, for instance, was actually Macintosh. The same was true of the Lisa.

Originally posted by stoid
Mac OS X (Panther) - October, 24 2003

Or, as I like to call it, black ***** :D

zim

Oct 23, 2003, 11:25 PM

Does Panther not go on sale until 8pm? Grrr... I just called and asked about the educational discount and they said not in the store so, I was thinking of swinging by the school in the morning and going to the apple section and getting it but, if it does not go on sale till 8 then my plans are flushed.

ibookin'

Oct 23, 2003, 11:36 PM

I'll be at The Grove in Los Angeles.

:D

mxpiazza

Oct 24, 2003, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Nobs
Cleveland is FINALLY getting a mac store tomorrow. I am going early to get a t-shirt and then getting Panther later in the evening.

Anyone else from Cleveland here?
but of course. i live in mayfield heights, a mere 2 minutes from the new apple store. i go to ohio state, so i'll be at easton tomorrow, but bet i'll be home next weekend to check the new store out! it looks huge from cedar road, so i can't wait to actually get up in there. and why are there cheesecake facories 500 feet away from like every apple store?

Phil Of Mac

Oct 24, 2003, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by mxpiazza
but of course. i live in mayfield heights, a mere 2 minutes from the new apple store. i go to ohio state, so i'll be at easton tomorrow, but bet i'll be home next weekend to check the new store out! it looks huge from cedar road, so i can't wait to actually get up in there. and why are there cheesecake facories 500 feet away from like every apple store?

Apple leases their land from the cheesecake company?

Java

Oct 24, 2003, 01:02 AM

Sherman

Oct 24, 2003, 01:16 AM

I'd be more excited if I hadn't already recieved a copy of panther =\

haha! It rocks!

Phil Of Mac

Oct 24, 2003, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by Sherman
I'd be more excited if I hadn't already recieved a copy of panther =\

haha! It rocks!

Damn you! :mad:

mproud

Oct 24, 2003, 01:21 AM

Worthy of mention, yet again, is that of educational student and faculty discounts.

$69 for Panther is not too shabby.

Superdrive

Oct 24, 2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by Java
I think you mean, Pottery Barn. :p

I think you mean the GAP. ;) MOA and Edina don't fit in the 500 ft rule with either of those. Only Gap....

But my cat is coming in <12 hrs!!!! I couldn't find it in my heart to drive from school to Southdale. I had to pay to even think about getting in line at MOA last year. I got some nice t-shirts out of the deal tho.

jaykk

Oct 24, 2003, 08:51 AM

Kirtus

Oct 24, 2003, 09:07 AM

Me, my wife, my 15yr old daughter, and my 13yr old son are all going to both Detroit Apple Stores. :D

We all just switched 2 months ago and we are now all Mac Geeks. :p

wdlove

Oct 24, 2003, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by psxndc
Please, please, please. All Massachusetts Macheads go to cambridgeside. Stay away from Chestnut Hill. There is nothing for you to see or win there. ;)

Trying to increase my odds,
-p

Sorry, psxndc but I'm still planning to attend the Chestnut Hill Mall this evening. It is only about 10 - 15 minutes from my house. Also like the free parking. If posible would like to meet you, probably I will be the tallest person at the release party.

mrsebastian

Oct 24, 2003, 12:00 PM

fedex just dropped off panther and will be installing shortly!

stid

Oct 24, 2003, 12:12 PM

Just installed... is great.

Interface reaction is faster.

Expose is great!!!!

User switching is amazing!!!!

Need to do some more test now...

Problem:
Macromedia studio MX 2004 can be broken if you perform a clean install over 10.2.6. In case you have this problem, trash all the "Macrovision" folders and reinstall MX2004.

You can have some problem if you leave the Old Disabled System Folder on your HD after a clean installation. One example is that by click on one Package it execute the old Installer App. So... trash or compress it after installation.

Sorry form my bad english.

vienna_one

Oct 24, 2003, 12:53 PM

Countdown setting high expectations

bet they also relaunch the apple homepage!

well, in 7 minutes we know

cheers

p.s. ******! they did not deliver panther today

stid

Oct 24, 2003, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by vienna_one

p.s. ******! they did not deliver panther today

Bad news! Sorry to ear this.

Here in Rome we have panther on the shop from this morning. But they sell it only to well know customers. The others must to wait 8PM or tomorrow. I have taked my copy at 2pm CEST today... I have done a long long pray to my apple store to get it.

Nobs

Oct 24, 2003, 01:57 PM

So far, so good. Did the upgrade on my PB and everything has worked out well so far. I had to update the driver for my graphics tablet, but no biggee.

Moving to my main machine now. The G4.

BTW, was at the Apple store opening in Cleveland. Good turnout and got a free Tee to boot. Can't beat that.

Hope some of you MacRumor folks were there checking it out, but we warned. The parking lot at Legacy Village is a nightmare. I arrived at 10 am for the opening and by the time I left an hour later, there was a line to get into the PARKING LOT! Insane, but well worth it.