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arn
Apr 28, 2002, 05:03 PM
iPodHacks updated (http://www.ipodhacks.com) with a rumor that Apple will be releasing a PC-version of the iPod with a Windows based iTunes-like application... the partner to provide the software? RealNetworks...

Macrumors can provide some confirmation of this rumor... PumaCode who had previously provided accurate tips regarding OS X updates reported back in February that a PC iPod was in the works... though at the time it was reportedly being developed simultaneously with the 10gig iPod (which has since been released).

King Cobra
Apr 28, 2002, 05:21 PM
So out of the 10 PC users at class I have shown the iPod I have to, that makes...no surprise...10 PC users in my class who will get one!

PumaCode was right on their rumor. I better visit their site more often.

Question: If Apple plans to release an iPod for the PC doesn't that mean some people who are deciding to get a Mac for their iPod or a PC for their "SPEED?" will switch to a PC because the PC world eventually will have iPods?
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Falleron
Apr 28, 2002, 05:31 PM
It would give Apple the potential for much higher profits which could then be re-invested into the mac though. It does have its up side. I'm sure I read that someone had got an ipod working with a pc! Why should they get the profits instead of Apple.

chrisgeleven
Apr 28, 2002, 05:58 PM
As a PC user (and huge mac fan), I think Apple would come out of a PC version of the iPod, but not using Real Network's software.

Why not Real? Cuz it's software is bloated, has had privacy problems in the past, and not that easy to use (not providing a very "Apple" experience). Apple should develop its own verson of iTunes for the PC and market it heavily.

menoinjun
Apr 28, 2002, 06:04 PM
Apple's mp3 market share will SOAR with this release. I'm psyched. 75% of my customers at CompUSA want an iPod, but are waiting for this release. Go Apple!

-Pete

Choppaface
Apr 28, 2002, 06:04 PM
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww how can they get involved with real? thats just sad....

Falleron
Apr 28, 2002, 06:06 PM
My only problem with using Real is that this will promote their player and not quicktime.

ear2ear
Apr 28, 2002, 06:16 PM
Maybe it was a trade:

Get Real involved with this and they'll release an OSX version on RealOne.

I know, I know. RealOne sucks, but there is simply too much available content on the web that requires Reals player.


Or maybe even better yet, Real will allow Apple to play .rm files in Quicktime.

Now we're talking.

jelloshotsrule
Apr 28, 2002, 06:29 PM
sounds like a good thing except them teaming up with real.

unless as was said they allow apple to play rm files in qt. that would be good.

mc68k
Apr 28, 2002, 06:39 PM
Seems that cross-platform inter-compatibility would be kept to a minimum, unless Apple implemented a way (like MacDrive) to mount HFS+ volumes under Windows.

This probably means that the two 'pods would essentially be just for one platform (unless you had MacDrive). I don't think many PC users would mind, but maybe some Mac people would, since they couldn't use an exclusive iPod with both of their machines.

That's just blasphemous in my mind to see a marvel of engineering, that is meant to be pure Apple from start to finish, running on Windows (I could just see a multi-colored m$ flag flying on the perfect snow white box :(). But Apple is a company, and this would be one way for them to make more $, abeit unlikely.

mmmdreg
Apr 28, 2002, 06:56 PM
I reckon it's a good idea to release an iPod for PC..but Apple should make the software..maybe just an iTunes clone for PC..

Luckster
Apr 28, 2002, 07:00 PM
I would speculate that if Apple did release a PC version of the software necessary to sync to an iPod, it would not be too iTunes like. Apple does not make money by providing Windows customers with great software. However, selling iPods on the general market would help Apple's bottom line. Therefore, it is probably only a matter of time before they allow PC users to sync to an iPod.

The software would probably not be Real. Apple would probably make their own software, much like QT for Windows. Also, I would not hold my breath for RealOne on OS X. Besides, RealOne is really not very good software.

Finally, there will not be two versions of the iPod. It has nothing to do with HFS+ or any other format. The iPod runs a proprietary OS. It can just as easily sync to a PC as it can a Macintosh.

ennerseed
Apr 28, 2002, 07:01 PM
ok just one more reason for me to leave the mac and it was provided by Apple!

j/k but how many times will this happen?

or people switching to the mac will have one less reason.

Q-bert
Apr 28, 2002, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Luckster
Finally, there will not be two versions of the iPod. It has nothing to do with HFS+ or any other format. The iPod runs a proprietary OS. It can just as easily sync to a PC as it can a Macintosh. It's true that the iPod uses a proprietary OS, but I believe the format of the hard drive is simple HFS+. All of the current iPod-to-Windows software out there has to get around this somehow in order to use it with Windows, given that Windows cannot read HFS+ natively. Therefore, the only way for Apple to get the iPod to work on a PC is to either A) have the user do an initial "reformat" of the drive to use it under Windows, which would have the disadvantage of making it difficult to plug into either a PC or Mac at will, or B) include software that can recognize the format of the iPod drive, as XPlay does.

arn
Apr 28, 2002, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by ennerseed
ok just one more reason for me to leave the mac and it was provided by Apple!

j/k but how many times will this happen?

or people switching to the mac will have one less reason.

Well... perhaps - but it could be seen as the first step towards owning a Mac. A PC user gets exposed to the iPod - likes what he/she sees... hears more about Apple etc....

They have to know you exist first... :)

arn

Choppaface
Apr 28, 2002, 07:50 PM
although this is kinda unrelated, can an iPod play two or more mp3's simultaneously? if not, could 3rd party software on it possibly do such a thing?

sjs
Apr 28, 2002, 08:16 PM
If Apple offers basically just the iPod, and not our version of iTunes, there is really no downside for Apple. As Arn said, it lets PCers experience a great Apple product and then hopefully become aware of Apple when its time for a new computer.

BTW, suppose Apple could sell 200,000 per year to PC owners. I'll bet the gross margin on the iPod is at least $150 per unit. That scenario would produce $30 million dollars pre-tax profit. That alone could boost Apple's bottom line by well over 10%.

dongmin
Apr 28, 2002, 08:35 PM
I think it's a good move but the potential alliance with Real doesn't sound right? They're Apple's direct competition, aren't they? Not to mention that the Real Player is one of the most badly designed softwares of all time. What makes more sense is if they built in a iTunes-like module into Quicktime 6.

Gus
Apr 28, 2002, 09:28 PM
Yeah, I agree with the exposure to a great Apple product, but why limit iTunes to a stripped down version? Give them a full port so they can see how hreat the iApps are on a Mac. I know some of you will say, "Yeah but then they won't need a Mac, they'll have iTunes!". Maybe. I say that an exposure to the Mac's real ease of use al a iTunes will make them more curious about Apple in general, which leads to more business. If they see how easy iTunes is (especially when used with the iPod) compared to the Nomad or other such devices with Windows, then maybe they'll get rid of the hassle of Windows. Just my 2 .

Gus

Wry Cooter
Apr 29, 2002, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by ear2ear
Maybe it was a trade:

Get Real involved with this and they'll release an OSX version on RealOne.

I know, I know. RealOne sucks, but there is simply too much available content on the web that requires Reals player.


Or maybe even better yet, Real will allow Apple to play .rm files in Quicktime.

Now we're talking.

There are other Real formats that cannot be played, many audible.com radio archives and audio books for example.

I would rather two of the players in the media player wars cooperate, than have to have three different formats boobytrapping each other-- this fighting has to effect the business model badly somewhere, both people streaming and the clients have plenty to complain about , the sales force must have a hard time going up against this to convince people to buy their engine at the cost of breaking the others.

blakespot
Apr 29, 2002, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by arn


Well... perhaps - but it could be seen as the first step towards owning a Mac. A PC user gets exposed to the iPod - likes what he/she sees... hears more about Apple etc....

They have to know you exist first... :)

arn
Baby steps.



blakespot

edesignuk
Apr 29, 2002, 08:56 AM
Everyone I have shown my iPod too has loved it! Unfortuneatly for them they are all PC users, maybe they're dreams have been answered :D .
Nice move Apple ;)

Andries
Apr 29, 2002, 09:21 AM
Mmm - I don't know about this rumor... Apple is truly embracing open standards of late - Java and J2EE, XML, and for multi media, obviously MPEG 4, MP3 (w ipod), rtsp and of course all built on (open source) Darwin.

Apple have always owned the complete user experience - i.e. Hardware and software. That is why we can see great, effective products such as the i suite flowing from the production mills in cupertino in no time at all.

Real has to keep things proprietary in order to make money and are therefore an unlikely synergetic (is that a word?!) partner.

Also - on PC's, Firewire or i-link is NOT well established at all, making the target market much smaller than what you may anticipate.

Too many loose ends here... :confused:

SPG
Apr 29, 2002, 06:13 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong here but....isn't there already PC software for the iPod?
I know it ain't Apple sanctioned, but it's out there isn't it?

CHess
Apr 29, 2002, 07:14 PM
I didn't think so a few months ago, but now I think this would be a really good move for Apple. However, I agree with those who think that Apple should not try to port iTunes over to the PC. iTunes is a free Mac app. It's one of the reasons buying a Mac is such a great deal. No reason to give it to PC users. Also, you're not going to get a Mac experience with it on a PC anyway, and why hire Windows programmers at Apple?

I think that a cooperative agreement with Real sounds best. Heck, even if their software IS clunky, what Windows app isn't? (No, I know there are good Windows apps out there... somewhere) Let Apple work out a deal to allow Quicktime to handle Real files. Sounds like a good trade, especially good for Apple.

So, you get PC users who go out now and buy iPods. They'll still be jealous of Mac users because of they'll only get a taste of the Mac experience. Eventually, more will switch :D

Wry Cooter
Apr 29, 2002, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by SPG
Correct me if I'm wrong here but....isn't there already PC software for the iPod?
I know it ain't Apple sanctioned, but it's out there isn't it?

Ephpod and Xplay-- I think they both use WiMP (Windows Media Player) as their MP3 front end.

But the point of the rumor and the discussion is having something with the USABILITY of iTunes (or something closer to the level of iTunes), Apple sanctioned, on the Windows side, as a means of selling more iPods.

I think Apple would rather iPods sell more Macs; although it is hard for some people to fathom that someone would buy a computer just to use an MP3 player- it has happened. Especially for people fed up with Windows. (its actually tough enough finding a Wintel box with Firewire.)

gopher
Apr 30, 2002, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by SPG
Correct me if I'm wrong here but....isn't there already PC software for the iPod?
I know it ain't Apple sanctioned, but it's out there isn't it?

Quite a few in fact. One is a $40 shareware that hasn't come out of beta.

RayCon
May 1, 2002, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by arn


Well... perhaps - but it could be seen as the first step towards owning a Mac. A PC user gets exposed to the iPod - likes what he/she sees... hears more about Apple etc....

arn

I agree that just getting the Apple logo into the hands of PC users is a good thing. Many of them inherently look down their noses at everything Apple. Give them a taste of a quality Apple product... and I have a feeling they'll bite. Give them the full iTunes, if that would help, but make sure each new version ships WAY after the Mac one, and is missing a few features. Mac fans have been putting up with that for years.

j763
May 1, 2002, 10:30 PM
Here's what I'd do:


Use QuickTime as a front end and make iTunes exclusively mac. Make the iPod's manual have lots of glossy pictures of the iPod working with iTunes...

that will help convince them with a bit of luck. I converted to mac after d/l'ing QT for my 2k box (i surfed the apple site while it was downloading and saw "Mac OS X -- Industrial Strength UNIX OS") drooooollll

jefhatfield
May 2, 2002, 09:53 PM
the pc users i come across don't care what company the product is...only that it works

the brand loyalty thing is a mac phenomenon

or should i call it a cult? he he

oeyvind
May 3, 2002, 12:48 AM
iPod support on Windows will come with iTunes 2 for Windows, I wrote this (http://www.oeyvind.org/news/story/0502022025.html) yesterday.

Cool things are coming new week... it's great!

IndyGopher
May 19, 2002, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by oeyvind
iPod support on Windows will come with iTunes 2 for Windows, I wrote this (http://www.oeyvind.org/news/story/0502022025.html) yesterday.

Cool things are coming new week... it's great!

Ok, it's been *2* weeks, and nothing even vaguely iPod related... or PC related... So you want to tell us what was supposedly going to happen?
Or were you just babbling?

King Cobra
May 19, 2002, 04:34 PM
I think oeyvind is being honest.

I know someone at class who has an iPod and used a PC to load songs to it. It's true. I saw him coming to class this past week listening to his iPod. I thought he had switched to Macs. He said he was using PCs.

Another resurrected post... oh, wait, I said I wouldn't say anything like that again. Whatever. :)
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gopher
May 19, 2002, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by King Cobra
I think oeyvind is being honest.

I know someone at class who has an iPod and used a PC to load songs to it. It's true. I saw him coming to class this past week listening to his iPod. I thought he had switched to Macs. He said he was using PCs.

Another resurrected post... oh, wait, I said I wouldn't say anything like that again. Whatever. :)
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XPlay's software has been beta for awhile, I wouldn't be surprised if that PC person had XPlay's beta. Not to mention, it isn't too hard with Maclink's Macopener to mount Mac drives. One could easily work with that. Unless you ask the person what they used to connect to the iPod in terms of software, you'll never know.

chmorley
May 19, 2002, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by King Cobra
I think oeyvind is being honest.

I know someone at class who has an iPod and used a PC to load songs to it. It's true. I saw him coming to class this past week listening to his iPod. I thought he had switched to Macs. He said he was using PCs.
I don't know that anyone was questioning his honesty, just his accuracy. Indeed (as several others have mentioned in this thread), Xplay is not at all new, so the heart of this rumor must have had something to do with either iTunes or something else that made iPods as easy to use with PCs as Macs.

There has been NO new news on this front.

The fact that someone is using an iPod with a PC is not evidence that the rumor is true. Any new development on this front would have been publicized. Either the rumor was false, or it hasn't panned out just yet.

So which is it, oeyvind?

Chris

SilvorX
May 25, 2002, 04:03 PM
i wouldnt mind seeing itunes for windows, i'm getting tired as hell of some ppl trying to make their wmp8 look like itunes lol, it would convert many wmp users to itunes, but then again the winamp users may not like itunes :S
i tried out itunes on os9 once and it seems pretty good and played if i had a million dollars lol

britboy
May 25, 2002, 06:28 PM
Ok, so windows users will sometime soon be able to use the iPod with an official release from apple, rather than third-party s/w. Great. Apple should sell as many iPod's as they can. What i'm wondering though, is what exactly does a 'pc version' mean. Does it mean that they will sell one iPod directed at mac users, with an HFS+ formatted hd, and one for windows users, with an NTFS hd? That seems like a bit of a hassle, as it's not going to be possible to use one iPod on both platforms (without the dreaded third party). Alternatively, apple could simply release some sort of patch or application, enabling windows to recognise HFS+, and keep with just one version (ok, 2 if you look at it as 5GB and 10GB iPods:)). Which is it going to be?

SilvorX
May 27, 2002, 06:22 PM
win Me/98/95 users wont be able to use it since ntfs is unreadable in fat/fat16/fat32 so its gonna probably have to be fat32 since fat32 is readable in ntfs n used by a majority of computer users who dont use XP

Wry Cooter
May 27, 2002, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by SilvorX
win Me/98/95 users wont be able to use it since ntfs is unreadable in fat/fat16/fat32 so its gonna probably have to be fat32 since fat32 is readable in ntfs n used by a majority of computer users who dont use XP

Except the way they do presently with third party apps like MacDrive. Xplay is made by the makers of MacDrive, which allows several flavors of windows to recognize Mac formatted drives. Not sure how Ephpod gets around this.

But its really not that big a problem, having windows recognize the iPod since it is already being done, just not via an Apple application.

SilvorX
May 27, 2002, 11:30 PM
hmm forgot bout that, but ntfs would be a bad format probably if it ever came to windows (except for 2k/xp users)

beatle888
Jun 29, 2002, 07:02 AM
iPod PDA...?
Date Tuesday, May 07 @ 06:31:54
Topic iPod General
Just received a curious account from an individual who spottted something rather curious:
"I saw something last week on Friday I thought was pretty interesting after an Apple event in San Jose...There was this guy with an iPod showing it off taking in a voice "command" and then it converted the words into a 'partial' contact. Everything he spoke in to it was converted (I'm guessing like Via Voice) to text.
He was using a headphone set similar to those seen for cell phones, except with two ear pieces. Maybe the iPod REALLY IS Apple's version of a PDA afterall??"
It seems questionable as to whether Apple would add significantly more PDA functionality (we do have Contacts...) to the current iPod form factor. Still, an interesting report (made somewhat more interesting by Apple's mention of the new OS X Inkwell HWR technology, taken from the Newton).