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dyerucf
Feb 12, 2008, 08:17 AM
Any one want to chime in on the steps necessary to tether your Macbook Air via bluetooth or USB to your cell phone.



MazingerZ
Feb 12, 2008, 08:36 AM
I use a Treo 750. Basically, just pair it via bluetooth, turn on internet sharing on the treo and then connect to bluetooth PAN networking from the bluetooth icon on the MBA.

ahaxton
Feb 12, 2008, 10:25 AM
I have my iphone tethered to my MBA. Love it! Bring on 3g iphone now

CDL0012
Feb 12, 2008, 10:28 AM
I have my iphone tethered to my MBA. Love it! Bring on 3g iphone now

What method are u using? Proxy? HTTP? Slirp?

ahaxton
Feb 12, 2008, 10:32 AM
What method are u using? Proxy? HTTP? Slirp?

Using Installer.app on your iPhone, find "Community Resources" on the list under the Install tab. Tap on it, and then tap install. Then once that's installed, install all of the following:

* BSD Subsystem
* Term-VT100


Launch Term-VT100 on your iPhone, type srelay and hit return.

On your Mac, click the Wifi icon and click "Create Network..." Choose a name like iPhone or something.

On your iPhone, go to Preferences -> Wifi. Connect to the network you just created, and press the little blue "(>)" next to it. Change it from DHCP to Static.

* IP Address: 192.168.1.100
* Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0


Then tap The <Wi-Fi Networks] button, then press the home button just for good measure.

On your Mac, go to System Preferences -> Network and double click on Airport. Go to the TCP/IP tab and for Configure IPv4: select "Manually."

* IP address: 192.168.1.101
* Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0


Go to Proxies. Scroll down to SOCKS Proxy and check the little box next to it.

* IP address: 192.168.1.100
* Port: 1080


Hit "Apply Now" ... Open Safari and have fun.

Once you're done tethering, you need to uncheck SOCKS Proxy on your Mac.

xparaparafreakx
Feb 12, 2008, 02:01 PM
Unless you tell us what phone you are trying to tether to, a good place to find info on this is hofo, also known as HowardForums at HowardForums.com

dyerucf
Feb 12, 2008, 02:09 PM
Unless you tell us what phone you are trying to tether to, a good place to find info on this is hofo, also known as HowardForums at HowardForums.com

I use a treo 750 for mine, I was just making a topic to help others, I had not seen it discussed so far and I figured it could be a helpful topic.

matthewHUB
Feb 12, 2008, 05:15 PM
Thanks. but what are the login details for iPhone terminal?

Jimmie Geddes
Feb 12, 2008, 06:55 PM
I'm tethering my MacBook Air and my Sprint Treo 755p via BT DUN, works great when no WiFi is available. My speeds are between 300-400Kbit/sec.

http://vocaro.com/trevor/treo-dun/

I have found that you need this file for any Treo after the 650 to tether. Just copy it from a SD, miniSD card to your Treo using Resco Explorer (Filez no longer works). The instructions can be found at this TreoCentral thread, along with the files you'll need.

http://discuss.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=154998&highlight=bt+dun

bjdraw
Feb 13, 2008, 11:29 AM
I wrote a how to on this some time ago, not sure if it's still relevant.

www.engadget.com/2006/10/03/how-to-use-your-ev-do-pocket-pc-phone-for-internet-access/

dyerucf
Feb 16, 2008, 03:48 PM
I have gotten the tethering to work via Internet Connection sharing on the treo 750, although I have posted in many forums that I am getting EXTREMELY lagged ping replies. Getting them on the order of 3000-15000ms reply times. I have upgraded my plan to tethering enabled with AT&T and changed my APN to isp.cingular but no lock. AT&T Supports answer is that they dont support MAC OSX. What a cop out. Is there any way to tether it via USB so that I can at least rule out Bluetooth as my problem? Any help would be great. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

chickenninja
Feb 16, 2008, 03:57 PM
i always tether my macbook air, that way it doesnt float away.

netdog
Feb 16, 2008, 04:26 PM
Is there any way to tether an unjailbroken stock 1.1.3 iPhone?

BryanLyle
Feb 16, 2008, 04:50 PM
Is there any way to tether an unjailbroken stock 1.1.3 iPhone?

Not yet.

dyerucf
Feb 16, 2008, 08:43 PM
So no one here using bluetooth and Windows mobile 6 'Internet Connection Sharing'?

luckEseven
Feb 16, 2008, 09:01 PM
Everyone knows you can't tether the Macbook Air, cause the stupid thing doesn't even have a security slot, let alone more than one USB port!:mad:

*Note, I'm only kidding, don't get too upset. I know that's not the type of tethering you were referring to, and I actually like the MBA a lot, I don't care if it has one or ten USB ports.

brianhn1
Feb 17, 2008, 10:15 AM
So no one here using bluetooth and Windows mobile 6 'Internet Connection Sharing'?

I tried using Internet Connection Sharing on my HTC TyTn and it's terribly slow. Had same experience you did, terrible ping and slow speeds. I ended up using WMWifiRouter and it is much faster, 800-1300Kbit/sec with ping 100-300ms.

I also tried using USB and had a much better result, though I have to use it through windows.

dyerucf
Feb 17, 2008, 10:19 AM
I tried using Internet Connection Sharing on my HTC TyTn and it's terribly slow. Had same experience you did, terrible ping and slow speeds. I ended up using WMWifiRouter and it is much faster, 800-1300Kbit/sec with ping 100-300ms.

I also tried using USB and had a much better result, though I have to use it through windows.

That WMWifiRouter programs developers site seems to be down, but I think its irrelevant because my treo 750 doesn't even have WI-FI built in. question though, did you get your pda to tether via USB to osx? How did you get it to recognize it? Drivers?

brianhn1
Feb 17, 2008, 10:25 AM
That WMWifiRouter programs developers site seems to be down, but I think its irrelevant because my treo 750 doesn't even have WI-FI built in. question though, did you get your pda to tether via USB to osx? How did you get it to recognize it? Drivers?

That's true you need Wifi for WMWifiRouter.

I tethered to my PDA after using ActiveSync in Windows XP virtualized through Fusion. I set Fusion to forward USB and then clicked 'Connect' in ICS using 'Connect using USB'. Therefore, I was only able to browse the internet inside Fusion only.

When I have a chance, I will look into tethering directly with OS X. I am sure there is a driver out there but it has been difficult to find.

dyerucf
Feb 17, 2008, 10:28 AM
What I dont understand is that it used to work GREAT with my C2D Macbook, just works like CRAP with my MBA. Wondering if it has a newer bluetooth stack or something? I have the latest AT&T firmware on my phone and all the updates on my MBA. I also even upgraded my plan to tethering to gain access to the ics.cingular APN.

dyerucf
Feb 17, 2008, 11:27 AM
So I broke out the old macbook and tethered it up, and what do you know. WORKS GREAT, can even stream video over bluetooth PAN. The issue is the macbook air for sure now. Opened up System Profiler and looked at some of the differences.


Macbook: Bluetooth Software 2.1.0f14
Macbook Air: Same

Macbook Air: Has broadcom chipset
Macbook: Cambridge Silicon Radio

Macbook Firmware: 3.1965
Macbook Air Firmware: 4.2000

So I guess the issue is with the macbook air's new broadcom chipset......

thechidz
Feb 17, 2008, 11:40 AM
Is there any way to tether an unjailbroken stock 1.1.3 iPhone?

hopefully with SDK

serendipity0213
Feb 17, 2008, 12:04 PM
Hello,
I am new to the forum and have had my MBA for about a week. I do adore it. For years I have been using a wireless modem, and this works perfectly on MBA. I am using a Verizon UM150 which goes into the usb port. It is broadband, very fast and costs $59/month for unlimited access. It has a different number from my cell phone and has worked in remote areas and all of the country. I have had great business success because of this. There is a new one the USB727 which is even smaller and includes removable memory. The only thing better I could imagine is if it were possible to use this without plugging it in.
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dyerucf
Feb 17, 2008, 12:57 PM
Hello,
I am new to the forum and have had my MBA for about a week. I do adore it. For years I have been using a wireless modem, and this works perfectly on MBA. I am using a Verizon UM150 which goes into the usb port. It is broadband, very fast and costs $59/month for unlimited access. It has a different number from my cell phone and has worked in remote areas and all of the country. I have had great business success because of this. There is a new one the USB727 which is even smaller and includes removable memory. The only thing better I could imagine is if it were possible to use this without plugging it in.
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What you are talking about it a USB Modem, we are trying to figure out how to tether your CELL PHONE, to the MBA. This way you can keep the phone in your bag or pocket and use it as if it where pluged in. I am even trying to figure out how to use it as a USB modem with the supplied cable but so far I havnt had any luck doing that as the MBA doesnt reconize the treo when pluged in.

Thanks for the suggestion though, I just have that service on my current plan and I am trying to take advantage of it.

xparaparafreakx
Feb 17, 2008, 01:16 PM
So no one here using bluetooth and Windows mobile 6 'Internet Connection Sharing'?

I use bluetooth and Windows Mobile 5 smartphone edition but not Internet Connection Sharing.

dyerucf
Feb 17, 2008, 01:19 PM
Well for what I am doing I need to figure out how to use the PAN, Called apple support, they have no clue what the issue is. Thinking of calling broadcom monday and bitching to them directly =]

brianhn1
Feb 17, 2008, 01:29 PM
So I broke out the old macbook and tethered it up, and what do you know. WORKS GREAT, can even stream video over bluetooth PAN. The issue is the macbook air for sure now. Opened up System Profiler and looked at some of the differences.


Macbook: Bluetooth Software 2.1.0f14
Macbook Air: Same

Macbook Air: Has broadcom chipset
Macbook: Cambridge Silicon Radio

Macbook Firmware: 3.1965
Macbook Air Firmware: 4.2000

So I guess the issue is with the macbook air's new broadcom chipset......

That is very interesting. If both you and I are getting terrible speeds with BT tethering, then it could be said it is likely a hardware difference/problem in the MBA.

I will try to pair it up again in a moment and see if there is any improvement. I paired it a few times when I had 10.5.1.

brianhn1
Feb 17, 2008, 01:52 PM
Just tried it again. I got this result at speedtest.net...terrible.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/235576004.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

brianhn1
Feb 17, 2008, 02:01 PM
Now when I use Wifi using WMWifiRouter, it works great (below). I hope we can fix this BT tethering.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/235579816.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

elmo151
Feb 17, 2008, 02:53 PM
Everyone knows you can't tether the Macbook Air, cause the stupid thing doesn't even have a security slot, let alone more than one USB port!
it's easy. I place 4 cinderblocks on top of the MBA; very hard to move :D

serendipity0213
Feb 17, 2008, 07:13 PM
I think the idea of no connection at all is great, and I have searched to see if the type of device I use can be done without a connection. There does not seem to be such a thing yet. By doing it the way I do, the connection is very fast, and I am not using up my wireless minutes. Also I can use the phone at the same time. I love your idea and look forward to ideas you find.

dyerucf
Feb 17, 2008, 07:39 PM
Now when I use Wifi using WMWifiRouter, it works great (below). I hope we can fix this BT tethering.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/235579816.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

It is certainly a hardware issue, what type of phone are you using?

brianhn1
Feb 17, 2008, 10:02 PM
It is certainly a hardware issue, what type of phone are you using?

I'm using a HTC TyTn with WM6.

dyerucf
Feb 18, 2008, 09:57 AM
Has any one else had any luck tethering and getting decent speeds out of it using ICS? I really need some more people to chime in on this so I can be prepared when I call apple and broadcom this . I would really like to find out how to get my treo to work as a USB modem to show that it is a bluetooth chipset issue

lewisozz
Feb 18, 2008, 03:30 PM
i use my iphone and my MBA but it drains the battery on the iphone though !!!!:(

RedTomato
Feb 18, 2008, 04:08 PM
I use bluetooth and Windows Mobile 5 smartphone edition but not Internet Connection Sharing.

I have a Macbook with 10.5.2, and a HTC TyTn from T-Mobile, with their Web-n-walk, and Windows Mobile 5.

It doesn't seem to have Internet connection sharing either. Would you mind sharing with me how you make WM5 share its connection with OSX? For the life of me, I haven't been able to work it out.

I dont need high speed mobile internet, just enough to download and send emails.

mashoutposse
Feb 18, 2008, 04:29 PM
Using Installer.app on your iPhone, find "Community Resources" on the list under the Install tab. Tap on it, and then tap install. Then once that's installed, install all of the following:

* BSD Subsystem
* Term-VT100


Launch Term-VT100 on your iPhone, type srelay and hit return.

On your Mac, click the Wifi icon and click "Create Network..." Choose a name like iPhone or something.

On your iPhone, go to Preferences -> Wifi. Connect to the network you just created, and press the little blue "(>)" next to it. Change it from DHCP to Static.

* IP Address: 192.168.1.100
* Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0


Then tap The <Wi-Fi Networks] button, then press the home button just for good measure.

On your Mac, go to System Preferences -> Network and double click on Airport. Go to the TCP/IP tab and for Configure IPv4: select "Manually."

* IP address: 192.168.1.101
* Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0


Go to Proxies. Scroll down to SOCKS Proxy and check the little box next to it.

* IP address: 192.168.1.100
* Port: 1080


Hit "Apply Now" ... Open Safari and have fun.

Once you're done tethering, you need to uncheck SOCKS Proxy on your Mac.

Thank you -- I am submitting this post from my MacBook Air via my iPhone's EDGE connection :D This is awesome.

drew0020
Feb 19, 2008, 09:42 AM
Isnt EDGE extremely slow? I guess it is better than nothing. Maybe ill have to try this with my air.

Wingnut330
Feb 19, 2008, 03:56 PM
Anyone have success with a 700w? I would like to try with mine. I have 2 options...

1. Tether with BT to the Air and ride the Verizon network that way

-or-

2. Use a USB modem that I got for free from Verizon. The issue is that the USB Modem costs $60 / month.

serendipity0213
Feb 20, 2008, 12:28 PM
I am writing from Dulles airport using my Verizon UM150 modem. It is awesome, and I can still use my Treo 700P. I did find that the Treo connection keeps dropping from here but not this modem. It is worth it to me for the ease of use and great connection.
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dahcheet
Feb 20, 2008, 12:31 PM
I tethered my Blackberry 8830 (Verizon) to my MBA by blue tooth and it worked great. Took a little to find all the settings I needed but afterwards it was great. A little slow but worked to my liking. I haven't had a chance to use it again because I'm usually by a wireless network I have access to but it's good to know I can have internet anywhere I have signal.

Rlkv011
Feb 21, 2008, 05:44 PM
Do you guys who use the iPhone get any big bills from AT&T or is there no way for them to know?

ahaxton
Feb 21, 2008, 08:10 PM
Do you guys who use the iPhone get any big bills from AT&T or is there no way for them to know?

I've been tethering my iPhone for months. No issues whatsoever.

mashoutposse
Feb 22, 2008, 08:22 PM
I've been tethering my iPhone for months. No issues whatsoever.

I'm getting an error when I visit certain sites -- I would ignore it if one of them wasn't Google :rolleyes:

"Safari can’t open the page “http://livepage.apple.com/”. The error was: “unknown error” (NSURLErrorDomain:-1)"

Practically all other pages work just fine. In fact, I'm making this post using the iPhone's EDGE connection (pretty decent speed, BTW). Any thoughts on how to solve this?

dyerucf
Feb 23, 2008, 03:15 PM
I have an open ticket with apple on this issue, I will let you guys know how that fairs. It is obviously an issue with the new broadcom chipset they are using now.

brianhn1
Feb 23, 2008, 06:04 PM
I have an open ticket with apple on this issue, I will let you guys know how that fairs. It is obviously an issue with the new broadcom chipset they are using now.

Thanks for doing this. I am very interested to seeing what Apple will come up with for a solution.

dyerucf
Feb 25, 2008, 04:50 PM
Thanks for doing this. I am very interested to seeing what Apple will come up with for a solution.

Got a call from my specialist over at apple, they have not escalated it to engineering and said that they will keep me posted as soon as they have something worked out. They said it may or may NOT be resolved in future software updates. Pretty bummed out about this. Guess if my 3g iphone comes out I can always just use that eventually. Probably the only resolution I will get any time soon on this matter.


Any one else here tether via bluetooth on a windows mobile 6 device?

Sesshi
Feb 25, 2008, 05:09 PM
Pairing it with the N95 is driving me nuts. What happened to 'just works'? It's a 10-second task on any Vista notebook - which my Windows ultraportables actually don't need as they have built-in 3G.

Sigh...

Terwal
Feb 27, 2008, 11:38 AM
I tethered my Blackberry 8830 (Verizon) to my MBA by blue tooth and it worked great. Took a little to find all the settings I needed but afterwards it was great. A little slow but worked to my liking. I haven't had a chance to use it again because I'm usually by a wireless network I have access to but it's good to know I can have internet anywhere I have signal.

dahcheet, I have a Blackberry 8700 series (Vodafone) and have no idea how to tether it to my MBA ? :o

Any help would be greatly appreciated... ;)

Thanks...

W.

ahaxton
Feb 28, 2008, 12:27 AM
I'm getting an error when I visit certain sites -- I would ignore it if one of them wasn't Google :rolleyes:

"Safari can’t open the page “http://livepage.apple.com/”. The error was: “unknown error” (NSURLErrorDomain:-1)"

Practically all other pages work just fine. In fact, I'm making this post using the iPhone's EDGE connection (pretty decent speed, BTW). Any thoughts on how to solve this?

It can be a bit sketchy. To guarantee a load, type in the main domain of the site on your iphone, then stop its loading and you should be able to surf the domain and all its subpages on your computer.

johnkountz
Feb 28, 2008, 02:48 AM
I'd love being able to use my iPhone to connect to the Internet from my Air, would be willing to spend some $$$ to buy a solution that just worked for this.

brianhn1
Mar 3, 2008, 09:11 AM
Got a call from my specialist over at apple, they have not escalated it to engineering and said that they will keep me posted as soon as they have something worked out. They said it may or may NOT be resolved in future software updates. Pretty bummed out about this. Guess if my 3g iphone comes out I can always just use that eventually. Probably the only resolution I will get any time soon on this matter.


Any one else here tether via bluetooth on a windows mobile 6 device?

Any updates?

I've been fiddling with it and still no luck. I'm really disappointed in this. Does it seem like not many people tether over bluetooth to their Air?

djk777
Mar 3, 2008, 05:18 PM
I'm having the same issue as others here. Tether my 8525 (WM6 using Internet Sharing via BT) to XP Pro and get good speeds - ~320Kbps download and ~120Kbps upload. When I tether to my MBA, the connection sucks. It doesn't drop, just hovers around 40 Kbps - like it's stuck in GRPS and can't use Edge. I don't know what else to try.

MazingerZ
Mar 9, 2008, 07:51 PM
I had crappy experience tethering my Treo 750 with the MBA while in Manila last week. The treo had 3g speeds while viewing web pages from its browser, but thru the BT Connection, the MBA barely could load a web page. Hope a fix happens soon.

Sesshi
Mar 10, 2008, 04:09 AM
Have you guys tried to explicitly add a serial port to use from the Bluetooth applet, going into the configuration icon and selecting Edit Serial Ports...?

edwardjung
Mar 10, 2008, 09:49 AM
I tether my MBA two ways:

1. 881u USB Sierra Wireless HSDPA modem

2. HTC Tilt running Windows Mobile 6

The Tilt I've used via WMWiFiRouter (over WiFi to the MBA) and Bluetooth (using Internet Sharing, which AT&T -- in their infinite wisdom -- hid; I also had to futz around to get out of MediaNet.)

Using the Sierra Wireless modem is the simplest and performs best IMO.

brianhn1
Mar 10, 2008, 06:10 PM
Have you guys tried to explicitly add a serial port to use from the Bluetooth applet, going into the configuration icon and selecting Edit Serial Ports...?

No. Is doing that better?

Sesshi
Mar 10, 2008, 06:27 PM
Some phones I've noticed need this to be done. Supported (listed as compatible) phones don't seem to.

MazingerZ
Mar 10, 2008, 10:43 PM
Here's an alternative but it requires a Nokia Phone with Wlan built in. I've tested this on my N95 and E90 and it works as advertised.

http://www.joiku.com/?action=products&mode=productDetails&product_id=310

dyerucf
Mar 12, 2008, 07:20 PM
Well the apple representative that I was dealing with is now officially ignoring my e-mails. The only suggestion I have is that we get SEVERAL (HINT HINT) people to email him. Every one tell them that they want the bluetooth issues addressed!

[edit, email address removed]

brianhn1
Mar 13, 2008, 08:08 PM
Well the apple representative that I was dealing with is now officially ignoring my e-mails. The only suggestion I have is that we get SEVERAL (HINT HINT) people to email him. Every one tell them that they want the bluetooth issues addressed!


Darn. I shall shoot an email.


Aside, I think we need a new thread with a catchy title to get more attention. :(

dyerucf
Mar 14, 2008, 11:07 AM
Wish I could update the name now, the thread started as a request for assistance but has since bastardized into the issue thread regarding the Air's faulty bluetooth stack or bluetooth chipset.

Any one else give a ***** about this please do email that that guy or any other tech contacts you might have at apple and ask them to address this.

Thanks!!

dyerucf
Mar 14, 2008, 01:02 PM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=454053

jane doe
Mar 15, 2008, 01:23 PM
Well the apple representative that I was dealing with is now officially ignoring my e-mails. The only suggestion I have is that we get SEVERAL (HINT HINT) people to email him. Every one tell them that they want the bluetooth issues addressed!



I emailed my contact.......

rom
Mar 15, 2008, 06:06 PM
Pairing it with the N95 is driving me nuts. What happened to 'just works'? It's a 10-second task on any Vista notebook - which my Windows ultraportables actually don't need as they have built-in 3G.

Sigh...

Did you get the iSync plug-in for the N95? Apple does not support it out of the box, you need to download the Nokia iSync plug-in.

arn
Mar 17, 2008, 08:44 PM
Hey all, appreciate the frustration while waiting for a solution, but you shouldn't be requesting people to bombard a single employee's email address.

I've removed the email address.

arn

n0de
Mar 18, 2008, 07:56 AM
Hmmm, after getting blasted on on the "call to action" thread because "everyone" is having problems, I do see some successes here.

I am posting from my tethered BB 8830 right now which took about 5 minutes to set up.

A point here that everyone seems to have skipped is that this is potentially a carrier issue. I suggest a poll of what carriers are having problems and which are not. I am on Sprint, no problems.

Another point is the configuration being used. Remember, despite the fact that the carriers do sell you an unlimited data plan it does not mean they want you to use it that way. Many have different AP's depending on the device and I know for a fact that ATT/Cingular does throttle your connection speed depending on which AP you are going through.

Lastly, depending on the device, you may or may not have high speed access. Most EVDO phones are not Rev A. So if you compare the speed of a dedicated EVDO modem to that of an EVDO phone on the same network the speeds will not be the same.

And to those that accused me of trolling, look at my post history - I don't troll.

dyerucf
Mar 18, 2008, 05:16 PM
Hmmm, after getting blasted on on the "call to action" thread because "everyone" is having problems, I do see some successes here.

I am posting from my tethered BB 8830 right now which took about 5 minutes to set up.

A point here that everyone seems to have skipped is that this is potentially a carrier issue. I suggest a poll of what carriers are having problems and which are not. I am on Sprint, no problems.

Another point is the configuration being used. Remember, despite the fact that the carriers do sell you an unlimited data plan it does not mean they want you to use it that way. Many have different AP's depending on the device and I know for a fact that ATT/Cingular does throttle your connection speed depending on which AP you are going through.

Lastly, depending on the device, you may or may not have high speed access. Most EVDO phones are not Rev A. So if you compare the speed of a dedicated EVDO modem to that of an EVDO phone on the same network the speeds will not be the same.

And to those that accused me of trolling, look at my post history - I don't troll.


We have tried different AP's, spent hours on the phone with AT&T and Apple support and have had no luck. Perhaps the RIM device uses a different PAN client or hardware but so far no one has had any luck using bluetooth DUN w/ WM6.

I am glad that you are having success with your BB, just wish we where so lucky with windows hardware.

brianhn1
Mar 18, 2008, 08:41 PM
Hmmm, after getting blasted on on the "call to action" thread because "everyone" is having problems, I do see some successes here.

I am posting from my tethered BB 8830 right now which took about 5 minutes to set up.

A point here that everyone seems to have skipped is that this is potentially a carrier issue. I suggest a poll of what carriers are having problems and which are not. I am on Sprint, no problems.

Another point is the configuration being used. Remember, despite the fact that the carriers do sell you an unlimited data plan it does not mean they want you to use it that way. Many have different AP's depending on the device and I know for a fact that ATT/Cingular does throttle your connection speed depending on which AP you are going through.

Lastly, depending on the device, you may or may not have high speed access. Most EVDO phones are not Rev A. So if you compare the speed of a dedicated EVDO modem to that of an EVDO phone on the same network the speeds will not be the same.

And to those that accused me of trolling, look at my post history - I don't troll.

You're not a troll? :p

The problem that we are trying to resolve is with the Bluetooth hardware on the MBA. We are having latency and speed issues when we are tethering our phones over BT. You did not clearly indicate how you are tethering your MBA to your BB, which could explain why you may not be having related issues.

Unfortunately the problem is definitely not the provider and not the phone (WM6 HSDPA phone capable of 1.8mbps down/384kbps up).

We do not have any problems when we are using alternative means to tether our phones. For example, on my Air,
1. Over Wifi using WMWifiRouter (software), or
2. Using a USB cable and Internet Sharing (software) through Windows XP (virtualized)
brings about no latency or speed issues.

To confirm that BT on my phone is not the issue I have used a Windows XP laptop with Bluetooth V2.0 and also had no issues. Slightly slower in speed than over Wifi but similar latency values. Additionally, dyerucf has reported no problems with his MBP.

Therefore the problem seems to be narrowed down to a software or hardware issue with the BT on the MBA.

djk777
Mar 19, 2008, 10:02 AM
Though I appreciate n0de's post, I agree with brianhn1. I can tether my AT&T 8525 via BT (using WM6's Internet Sharing feature) to XP Pro Dell laptop and achieve typical 3G speeds. However, on the MBA, the BT tether is almost useless. I can tether the MBA to the 8525 via WMWifiRouter and it works quite well. The problem does seem to be a Bluetooth software or hardware issue on the MBA. I'm hoping the future arrival of the 3G iPhone and the demand to be able to tether it to the MBA will prompt Apple to come up with a solution. For now, it looks like we're stuck with WMWifiRouter...

n0de
Mar 19, 2008, 11:46 AM
The issue I have with this thread is because of the attitude that it is Apple's fault. Apple has to fix this, Apple screwed up, etc.

Yes I am using BT to tether my BB without issue.

Something to consider is maybe it is windows mobile which is the culprit. the evidence everyone uses to prove there is an issue is that their WM device plays well with Windows. Of course it does, they were designed to play well with each other. Everyone with a BB seems to be OK. I do not know enough (or care) about the Palm devices to know if any of the ones mentioned are Palm OS instead of WM. Nokia seems to be a mixed bag.

Another question for those with problems; does your device support BT EDR? If so, what version? And for those of you who understand the question, are there potential incompatibilities between EDR versions?

dyerucf
Mar 19, 2008, 07:30 PM
Macbook Air BT 2.1+EDR
Treo 750 (Windows Mobile 6) BT 1.2

Treo 750 worked GREAT on all other macbooks except the MBA which is the first version to have a Broadcom chipset. What other proof do you need? I reiterate.. all other windows mobile devices worked with all other macbooks except the MBA

brianhn1
Mar 19, 2008, 11:12 PM
The issue I have with this thread is because of the attitude that it is Apple's fault. Apple has to fix this, Apple screwed up, etc.

Yes I am using BT to tether my BB without issue.

Something to consider is maybe it is windows mobile which is the culprit. the evidence everyone uses to prove there is an issue is that their WM device plays well with Windows. Of course it does, they were designed to play well with each other. Everyone with a BB seems to be OK. I do not know enough (or care) about the Palm devices to know if any of the ones mentioned are Palm OS instead of WM. Nokia seems to be a mixed bag.

Another question for those with problems; does your device support BT EDR? If so, what version? And for those of you who understand the question, are there potential incompatibilities between EDR versions?

BT version 2.0 and on have EDR included. My phone has BT version 2.0 with EDR.

dyerucf and many others have already confirmed that they have no issues over BT when using a MBP, MacBook, etc.

I have one other question for you: Are you using a MacBook Air and if so, could you post latency and speed results?

dyerucf
Mar 20, 2008, 05:50 PM
Does any one here use a bluetooth solution to tether there MBA?

I mean wireless is pretty common but sometimes you just need to tether and I cant believe it doesn't work and only a handful of people seem to care.

sucks :/

MazingerZ
Mar 20, 2008, 06:38 PM
Does any one here use a bluetooth solution to tether there MBA?

I mean wireless is pretty common but sometimes you just need to tether and I cant believe it doesn't work and only a handful of people seem to care.

sucks :/

I think we're stuck until Apple releases a fix.

n0de
Mar 21, 2008, 10:43 AM
Here are my results from a BT tethered BB 8830, Sprint PCS:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/249225978.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

I will concede to those who tried the same mobile device, with the same config on another MB vs. a MBA and received different results.

Is it possible that different BT manufacturers are not compliant to the standards and no one noticed until now?

alpinadvl
Mar 23, 2008, 10:43 PM
Tethering for Palm users....

PHONE : TREO 755p (palm OS)

SERVICE : Sprint

SOFTWARE : USBModem v1.59

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

1st - Simple Bluetooth Syncing / Pairing:

I setup the bluetooth connection without sharing the internet connection - in other words, I originally setup for bluetooth pairing (selecting "All Devices" instead of "Mobile phone" under the "Set up Bluetooth Device..." in the bluetooth menu)

2nd- Make sure the TREO Connections are set up properly

--> I cannot stress this enough, always turn off and on bluetooth on both the palm device, and mac, while trouble shooting, to make sure you are getting proper pairing.

3rd - Open USBModem on the Treo

- select "bluetooth"
- select "Enable Modem"

--> NOTE: at this point it should ask if you want DUN suppression active, I did not do that initially, but afterwards, I selected it from the menu and it automatically did a soft-reset to enable this feature. (I believe it is necessary)


4th - Bluetooth Connection / Dial Up Networking

-->Note: I setup bluetooth connection, because I cannot get a USB tether working in leopard (for either Syncing or for DUN - if anyone can, please let me know how)

--> follow the USBModem instructions (as a guide) - I did things a little differently, bc the manual us setup for Tiger, and the menus or organization of these menu items is different (a bit) in Leopard:

--> I DID NOT install the "AppleUSBCDCDriverPatch (since I was focusing on the bluetooth connectivity - but I believe this is used for USB cable tethering)

To add the Treo 755p as a DUN modem (To share it's data connectivity) - I went to PREFERENCES > NETWORK .... clicked the "+" sign on the bottom, add a bluetooth profile - I named this the same as my Treo... something like "TREO 755p Bluetooth"

Under configuration, I named this "Sprint PCS"
Telephone Number : #777
Account Name: I entered my account name from sprint : "xxxxxxx03@sprintpcs.com"
Password: (left this blank)

Then,
cliick the "Advanced..." button "

NOTE: If you installed the MobileStreem CDMA script --> according to the user guide, this script gets placed in the LIBRARY>MODEM SCRIPTS folder... The way you get this to pop-up in the menus is by selecting "Other" for the Vendor

I used the follwing:

VENDOR : Sprint
MODEL : PCS Vision

-----------------------------------
EDIT :
It seems that the MobileStreamCDMA script is more reliable for making the connection,
so I changed the above settings to :
VENDOR : Other
MODEL : Mobile Stream CDMA
-----------------------------------


- check the box for enable error connection and compression

VERY IMPORTANT : [b]MAKE SURE DIAL MODE IS SET TO "IGNORE DIAL TONE WHEN DIALING" !!


5th - Almost Done

In the Network section of preferences, when you highlight the newly created bluetooth profile, you should see a checkbox, to show the modem status in menu bar - click it..... a telephone icon will appear in the menu bar, click on that....

Select "Connect"...

and....


Hopefully you are set


I am getting speeds of :

493 upload, 104 download in NY, USA

ceehjayem
Mar 23, 2008, 11:50 PM
Using Installer.app on your iPhone, find "Community Resources" on the list under the Install tab. Tap on it, and then tap install. Then once that's installed, install all of the following:

* BSD Subsystem
* Term-VT100


Launch Term-VT100 on your iPhone, type srelay and hit return.

On your Mac, click the Wifi icon and click "Create Network..." Choose a name like iPhone or something.

On your iPhone, go to Preferences -> Wifi. Connect to the network you just created, and press the little blue "(>)" next to it. Change it from DHCP to Static.

* IP Address: 192.168.1.100
* Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0


Then tap The <Wi-Fi Networks] button, then press the home button just for good measure.

On your Mac, go to System Preferences -> Network and double click on Airport. Go to the TCP/IP tab and for Configure IPv4: select "Manually."

* IP address: 192.168.1.101
* Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0


Go to Proxies. Scroll down to SOCKS Proxy and check the little box next to it.

* IP address: 192.168.1.100
* Port: 1080


Hit "Apply Now" ... Open Safari and have fun.

Once you're done tethering, you need to uncheck SOCKS Proxy on your Mac.

I have a Macbook Air with an iPhone. for this step:

"Launch Term-VT100 on your iPhone, type srelay and hit return."

I type in srelay and get "login incorrect"

Help please?