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Powerbook G5
Oct 25, 2003, 12:30 AM
I just did a full Xbench test of my PowerBook and got a score of 123! That is up by 15 points from 10.2.8! Everything shot up, especially graphics and UI tests.

skymaXimus
Oct 25, 2003, 01:11 AM
I just did the same on my 12" Rev A PB and went from a 71 in 10.2.8 to a 79 in 10.3

bousozoku
Oct 25, 2003, 01:14 AM
So, installing panther is like getting a new Mac? :D

chazmox
Oct 25, 2003, 01:31 AM
Which Powerbook? I'm on a Al15 ( 1.25 GHz ) and got 113, but safari was up so I'm running it again...

Rower_CPU
Oct 25, 2003, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by bousozoku
So, installing panther is like getting a new Mac? :D

Phil doesn't lie. (http://www.apple.com/macosx/video/);)

MoparShaha
Oct 25, 2003, 03:17 AM
On my Power Mac G4, I had a score of 133 with 10.2.6. With Panther, its now 149! :)

Powerbook G5
Oct 25, 2003, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by chazmox
Which Powerbook? I'm on a Al15 ( 1.25 GHz ) and got 113, but safari was up so I'm running it again...

The one in my signature--1.25 GHz, 512 megs RAM (single slot), 5400 RPM HD.

Also of interest, after I repaired a ton of permissions, Panther now starts up in half the time, logs out instantly, and overall snappiness is probably a good 40-60%. Not too bad at all. I just need to get used to this new Finder and find out what to do about Transparent Dock not working.

toontra
Oct 25, 2003, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
The one in my signature--1.25 GHz, 512 megs RAM (single slot), 5400 RPM HD.


Your signature isn't showing - I can't see anyway!

Powerbook G5
Oct 26, 2003, 02:43 PM
I think the Energy Saver profile does a lot more in Panther, also, graphics are throttled back when the PowerBook is on battery, too, I just did another XBench and scored really high with processor on highest, HD never sleep, and everything set to high priority...

Results 127.94
System Info
Xbench Version 1.1.3
System Version 10.3 (7B85)
Physical RAM 512 MB
Model PowerBook5,2
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 1.25 GHz
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 512K @ 1.25 GHz
Bus Frequency 167 MHz
Video Card ATY,RV350M10
Drive Type Hitachi HTS548080M9AT00
CPU Test 156.73
GCD Loop 149.65 5.99 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 157.09 560.96 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 156.82 4.67 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 159.43 2.54 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 152.71 6.17 Mops/sec
Thread Test 119.93
Computation 89.99 1.78 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 175.67 2.21 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 123.21
System 121.03
Allocate 796.60 517.66 Kalloc/sec
Fill 84.75 657.92 MB/sec
Copy 86.43 422.13 MB/sec
Stream 121.41
Copy 126.26 922.96 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 125.66 927.35 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 122.30 769.95 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 115.61 697.89 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 163.45
Line 127.98 3.26 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 154.71 10.74 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 159.83 3.66 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 157.97 1.68 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 253.32 3.97 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 101.92
Spinning Squares 101.92 72.43 frames/sec
User Interface Test 219.53
Elements 219.53 69.64 refresh/sec
Disk Test 87.14
Sequential 97.53
Uncached Write 102.58 42.76 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 77.48 29.23 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 138.11 21.39 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 82.84 32.22 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 76.66
Uncached Write 68.93 0.84 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 68.84 15.53 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 76.46 0.46 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 79.99 15.64 MB/sec [256K blocks]

jamesatzones
Oct 26, 2003, 02:47 PM
On my G5 my score jumped from 192.99 to 210.40. Pretty amazing if you ask me.

One thing I noticed that was strange since I loaded Panther, my 2GB kits are now showing up as PC2700 instead of PC3200, in Jag they were at PC3200. I installed two 2GB kits from Edge for a grand total of 4.5GB. Anyone have any ideas???

Powerbook G5
Oct 26, 2003, 02:51 PM
That seems odd! I noticed after installing, when I go to System Profiler, my Superdrive went from CD-RW/DVD-R to CD-RW/DVD-RW, my memory is listed as 2700 but it is 2700U or something different than in Jaguar, my HD shows a lot of information compared to Jaguar, and it shows my serial number now when before it had a hard time displaying it. Also, it shows my processor at 1.25/167 bus instead of 1.2/166 like it did in Jaguar.

pimentoLoaf
Oct 26, 2003, 03:10 PM
Where can one download this marvelous XBench you keep talking about?

Powerbook G5
Oct 26, 2003, 03:13 PM
Either from Version Tracker or just go to xbench.com

jamesatzones
Oct 26, 2003, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by pimentoLoaf
Where can one download this marvelous XBench you keep talking about?

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10081

MacUpdate or VersionTracker should work. Good luck...

aethier
Oct 26, 2003, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I just did a full Xbench test of my PowerBook and got a score of 123! That is up by 15 points from 10.2.8! Everything shot up, especially graphics and UI tests.

Hmm, i got a score of 120, on a powerbook identicle to yours, aside that i have a one gig module of ram, not 512, but shouldn't that make my score even higher?

aethier

Powerbook G5
Oct 26, 2003, 03:57 PM
I got a score of 127 for my highest so far. Check your Energy Saver preferences to see if your processor is set to highest and all that. I set everything to highest, plugged it in, ran any optimization and maintenance scripts I could think of, and closed all open programs before starting. Also, where did you get your memory? Cheap memory can actually slow down your performance more than increase it since the system automatically throttles back to the lowest common denominator.

tati
Oct 26, 2003, 03:58 PM
1ghz tibook: 107

aethier
Oct 26, 2003, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I got a score of 127 for my highest so far. Check your Energy Saver preferences to see if your processor is set to highest and all that. I set everything to highest, plugged it in, ran any optimization and maintenance scripts I could think of, and closed all open programs before starting. Also, where did you get your memory? Cheap memory can actually slow down your performance more than increase it since the system automatically throttles back to the lowest common denominator.

my ram, is a 1gig stick i got BTO from Apple. all apps were closed. I did not run any optimization programs, seeing as how panther optimizes your computer when it finishes the installing process. Oh and my energy saver, is always set to highest


aethier

Powerbook G5
Oct 26, 2003, 04:47 PM
I'm not sure, mine is just like yours besides not having a gig of RAM yet. Perhaps it's system configuration, too. Either way, our scores are really high for a laptop and I am pretty pleased with the performance I am getting.

pimentoLoaf
Oct 26, 2003, 04:49 PM
I'm "Okapi":

http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=43887&doc2=1&setCookie=true

iEric
Oct 26, 2003, 10:46 PM
I beat a guy with 10.2.8 on a Dual 1.25 with my panther...But I do have more ram than him...

pbooktebo
Oct 27, 2003, 12:09 AM
I'm super happy with the increase in UI responsiveness.

Overall, my 10.2.8 to 10.3 score jumped from 45 to 52, with the UI score rocketing from 49 to 86! It really does feel like a totally new machine.

Details below (if my image attached correctly)

alset
Oct 27, 2003, 12:39 AM
Wow, each Apple keeps making OS X faster!

Fantismo
143.99
PowerMac G4 (MDD)
2003-01-23 15:52:13

Fantismo
147.52
PowerMac G4 (MDD)
2003-08-25 23:24:31

Fantismo
160.99
PowerMac G4 (MDD)
2003-10-26 22:30:14

Dan

OziMac
Oct 27, 2003, 10:34 AM
I went from between 84/90 on 10.2.7 on my 12inch 1Ghz Pbook to 74 - hmm... will try again, but doesn't seem to have had the awesome results you guys have had as yet!

Powerbook G5
Oct 27, 2003, 11:37 AM
What speed is your processor set at under Energy Saver? I think it defaults to Automatic, in which case, would bring your scores down to reflect the reduced settings of your system.

OziMac
Oct 27, 2003, 02:03 PM
Nope, same results with Energy Saver set to Highest Performance. This seems very odd. Anyone else done benchmarks on a 12" rev B Pbook yet?

Ruthless
Oct 27, 2003, 02:21 PM
I have a imac 17" g4 1ghz with 1 gig of ram i upgraded to panther ran xbench and scored a 98.7 i was wondering if somone out there that has the same computer that did a claen install could send their score
thanks,
ruthless

QCassidy352
Oct 27, 2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by OziMac
I went from between 84/90 on 10.2.7 on my 12inch 1Ghz Pbook to 74 - hmm... will try again, but doesn't seem to have had the awesome results you guys have had as yet!

Just ran xbench on my rev B. 12" PB with 768 RAM. Score in Jag: 87.67. Panther: 87.11.

So, I thought, I'll just reboot, clear everything out, and try again. New score: 81.50. Shock and disbelief set in. something must be wrong. I'll run it one more time. 83.54. :(

Very interesting that it's not just me. I'm hoping that xbench is somehow screwing up, and not that Panther has a problem on 12" powerbooks.

OziMac
Oct 27, 2003, 10:33 PM
I tried again and managed to get 92.3 - better than the 70s I was getting before, but not really a huge improvement from Jaguar, and certainly not the huge improvement experienced by owners of the 15" AlBook.

I'm glad I'm not the only one - will be interesting to hear what others with the rev B 12" have to say.

(Incidentally, I am so surprised that the scores you got were lower than mine - I am running the baseline 256MB! What gives?)

QCassidy352
Oct 27, 2003, 10:49 PM
well, I used to get an 87... I'd be happy to get a 92 at this point, even though i was thinking beforehand it would go up to close to 100...

um... and now I'm at 97.37. Ok, these scores clearly don't mean much. In 4 tries I've gotten 87-81-83-97. :confused:

chazmox
Oct 27, 2003, 11:24 PM
Look at the individual scores... there is probably one or two items that are varying in a big way and may point the way to a problem.

On a 1.25 PB I got 105 in 10.2.7 and 116 in Panther. Both score were fairly repeatable.

Powerbook G5
Oct 27, 2003, 11:31 PM
User Interface nearly quadrupled in performance, my CPU went up by 6 points, my disk scores went up by 5-10 points across the line, and my graphics tests were a good 5-8 points higher almost consistently after Panther. I think the areas most affected are the UI and graphics, so since the 15" PowerBook has the amazing Radeon 9600M graphics compared to the 12" GeForce 5200, that could account for the difference.

QCassidy352
Oct 27, 2003, 11:45 PM
but the score staying the same or even going down? no, I don't buy your explanation. Every machine, not just PB 15s, has experienced large increases. Powermacs, powerbooks, ibooks, older G3s, everything. It has to be something specific to the 12" that is going on...

Powerbook G5
Oct 27, 2003, 11:52 PM
How many other computers have the GeForce 5200? Perhaps it's the specific hardware that has a lousy driver or something. It seems odd that just 12" PowerBooks have an issue unless it's something that can be pinned down as "different" from all the other systems from Apple.

QCassidy352
Oct 28, 2003, 12:43 AM
right, now that I agree with. I'm pretty sure that the 17" imac 1.25 Ghz uses the 5200, and that it's the default card on the single processor G5s. Those would both be the 64 MB desktop versions of course, but still the FX 5200.

(btw, after running xbench for the 5th time, I got another 97. I haven't a clue as to why...)

jboyzh
Oct 28, 2003, 12:58 AM
22.61 on my good old PB Lombard 333MHz (...any more relaxed Panther out there? :cool: )

107.24 Tibook G4 1GHz :p

tati
Oct 28, 2003, 06:42 AM
jboyzh,

you must have one of the hitachi/ibm 7k60 drives! i do, and it is sweet.

psycho bob
Oct 28, 2003, 07:31 AM
does anyone else get the impression that xbench is actually rather dodgey.Results
can be all over the place even for similar or identical models or worse the same machine. I run it on just about every kind of mac that will support it and the more you use it the bigger the range of results get.
At best it can be used as a rough guide only. On the xbench site results for dual G5's vary by around 100 points (or an entire 1gHz G4 Powermac score!).There are too many factors to consider when running and comparing computers using such a tool it is best used by individuals on there own macs who know exactly how they are setup and with what spec.

Draft
Oct 28, 2003, 07:46 AM
Are all of the 12" Powerbook owners running a clean install of Panther? This might cause plenty of performance problems.

I'll be posting my XBench results soon!

jboyzh
Oct 28, 2003, 08:33 AM
tati:

no, i don't have that one, but i think i should clarify:
- 107.24 (no trick, but tested with my external FW drive - you can easily run Panther from there)
- 101.18 (with internal drive)

after all, it's just numbers...

QCassidy352
Oct 28, 2003, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by Draft
Are all of the 12" Powerbook owners running a clean install of Panther? This might cause plenty of performance problems.

I'll be posting my XBench results soon!

yes, clean install. My 5 score since Pather are: 87-81-83-97-97.

So I think the thing to do here is to stop caring 'cause it clearly makes no sense anyway. :)

aethier
Oct 28, 2003, 02:16 PM
i did an archive and install

aethier

About2SwitchOvr
May 12, 2004, 10:01 AM
I have a imac 17" g4 1ghz with 1 gig of ram i upgraded to panther ran xbench and scored a 98.7 i was wondering if somone out there that has the same computer that did a claen install could send their score
thanks,
ruthless

I just tripped into this thread, which turned out to be rather informative.
I'm going to DL Xbench tonight and see how the computer fairs...
iMac 20", OSX, 256+512... I will update this thread tonight!

About2SwitchOvr
May 12, 2004, 09:07 PM
I just tripped into this thread, which turned out to be rather informative.
I'm going to DL Xbench tonight and see how the computer fairs...
iMac 20", OSX, 256+512... I will update this thread tonight!

I included the PDF of the result..
It was running for the past day or so
I thought I had closed all programs, but in reality...
EyeTV was open.. AND RECORDING Live Tv...
Adium was up
AOL was up (not downloading)

I think this is fairly respectable.. no?
I wonder how all the other iMac's faired?
I should do one with NO applications open/running...
:-)

blue&whiteman
May 12, 2004, 09:17 PM
I wonder how all the other iMac's faired?


Look Here (http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/csi.xhtml?machineTypeID=14)