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Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 12:33 AM
The following are direct quotes from President George W. Bush

"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption."

"Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning?"

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

"Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is, sir. I talk to families who die."

"I think that the vice president is a person reflecting a half-glass-full mentality."

"You're working hard to put food on your family."

"Too many good doctors are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."

"Families are where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mential losses."

"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."

"Childrens do learn."

"There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on—shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again."

"We have got a bigger enemy than name callers. That is Al-Qaeda or people losing jobs."

Your turn! Post your favorite "Bushisms".



yg17
Feb 14, 2008, 12:55 AM
I've got an entire poster of them hanging on the wall in my room at my parents' house, I don't have it with me down here at college though. Everytime I look at it, it amazes me how someone so stupid can become the leader of the free world.

Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 12:56 AM
I've got an entire poster of them hanging on the wall in my room at my parents' house, I don't have it with me down here at college though. Everytime I look at it, it amazes me how someone so stupid can become the leader of the free world.
I like you.:D

solvs
Feb 14, 2008, 03:05 AM
I would, but this just depresses me. Sorry, I'm being a downer. :o Is it 2009 yet?

Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 01:01 PM
I would, but this just depresses me. Sorry, I'm being a downer. :o Is it 2009 yet?
We gotta wait 339days 10hrs 58min 45sec.:(

Roger1
Feb 14, 2008, 01:08 PM
There WILL be a draft!

Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 01:10 PM
There WILL be a draft!
That's okay. I've been rejected by the draft. Can't get drafted. WOO HOO!!!!

Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 01:25 PM
If you are the PRESIDENT of the United States, you should be able to speak properly and not fumble over your words.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 01:29 PM
If you are the PRESIDENT of the United States, you should be able to speak properly and not fumble over your words.

I see, I guess H. Chaves would make a fantastic president. After all, he is a great public speaker.

When every phrase one utters in public is scrutinized, there are bound to be 'Bushisms'.

leekohler
Feb 14, 2008, 01:31 PM
His actions speak even louder than his lack of ability to speak.

Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 01:31 PM
I see, I guess H. Chaves would make a fantastic president. After all, he is a great public speaker.

When every phrase one utters in public is scrutinized, there are bound to be 'Bushisms'.
C'mon, dude. Nothing is as bad as this:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on—shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again."

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 01:32 PM
His actions speak even louder than his lack of ability to speak.

I see. What, exactly do his actions have to do with this thread?

Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 01:33 PM
I see. What, exactly do his actions have to do with this thread?
You're a Bush fan, aren't you?:eek:

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 01:38 PM
You're a Bush fan, aren't you?:eek:

How, exactly, is your assertion relevant to the topic?

TEG
Feb 14, 2008, 01:39 PM
This is a stupid thread. So he is nervous when speaking in public. Like you have never stumbled over a sentence or phrase and screwed it up.

People relating intelligence to public speaking are dumber than that those who don't believe in evolution.

TEG

Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 01:39 PM
How, exactly, is your assertion relevant to the topic?
It's not really.

I just assumed that you are cause you are kinda, sorta.... defending him.

leekohler
Feb 14, 2008, 01:41 PM
I see. What, exactly do his actions have to do with this thread?

In other words, his actions are even more ridiculous than his speech.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 01:44 PM
In other words, his actions are even more ridiculous than his speech.

Again, how is this relevant to a thread concerning public speaking and grammar as it relates to intelligence?

MacNut
Feb 14, 2008, 01:44 PM
I see. What, exactly do his actions have to do with this thread?It is just an amusing thread, don't get your knickers in a bunch.:p If you can't laugh at some else who can you laugh at.

Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 01:45 PM
Using slang and messing up sentences are two completely different things.

To answer TEG's question, yes, I have stumbled over my words while speaking BUT I am not the president of the US.

MacNut
Feb 14, 2008, 01:47 PM
Well anyone can become president. I don't think that a persons smarts should say if a person is a worthy president. Book smarts don't always make a good president. Sometimes common sense is better. Not saying bush has either.:p

atszyman
Feb 14, 2008, 01:47 PM
I see, I guess H. Chaves would make a fantastic president. After all, he is a great public speaker.

When every phrase one utters in public is scrutinized, there are bound to be 'Bushisms'.

Didn't you lambaste John Kerry for a joke that he botched and was spun to make it look as though he insulted the intelligence of our armed forces? Now you're going to defend Bush for doing the same thing?

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 01:48 PM
Using slang and messing up sentences are two completely different things.

To answer TEG's question, yes, I have stumbled over my words while speaking BUT I am not the president of the US.

Yes, they are different. It is far easier to sit in front of a computer and type, rather than speak in public, where corrections can not be made as easily.

Ronald Reagan was quite the public orator and wordsmith. By your logic, he was a great president.

leekohler
Feb 14, 2008, 01:50 PM
Again, how is this relevant to a thread concerning public speaking and grammar as it relates to intelligence?

Good lord- what do you not understand? In other words, it's pretty clear to me that he isn't a very bright bulb. His speech is one indicator, his actions are the other.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 01:50 PM
Didn't you lambaste John Kerry for a joke that he botched and was spun to make it look as though he insulted the intelligence of our armed forces? Now you're going to defend Bush for doing the same thing?

I actually believe J. Kerry meant what he said, and tried to spin his words when the backlash began. There is a difference.

MacNut
Feb 14, 2008, 01:51 PM
Good lord- what do you not understand? In other words, it's pretty clear to me that he isn't a very bright bulb. His speech is one indicator, his actions are the other.He must have something up there to get through Yale. Not sure what it is.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 01:52 PM
Good lord- what do you not understand? In other words, it's pretty clear to me that he isn't a very bright bulb. His speech is one indicator, his actions are the other.

Got it. Just another Bush bashing thread.

arkitect
Feb 14, 2008, 01:52 PM
He must have something up there to get through Yale. Not sure what it is.

His family's connections.

Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 01:52 PM
Yes, they are different. It is far easier to sit in front of a computer and type, rather than speak in public, where corrections can not be made as easily.
You're right. I know it's hard to speak in public cause of my stuttering problem. Ppl think that because I stutter, I must be stupid but that is not the case.

Ronald Reagan was quite the public orator and wordsmith. By your logic, he was a great president.
I wouldn't know if Reagan was a good president or not, I wasn't born yet.

leekohler
Feb 14, 2008, 01:52 PM
He must have something up there to get through Yale. Not sure what it is.

It's called very rich daddy and a C average.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 01:54 PM
His family's connections.

Family connections do facilitate entrance into Ivy League schools. They do not, however, 'buy' passing grades.

MacNut
Feb 14, 2008, 01:54 PM
It's called very rich daddy and a C average.So all of Yale was bought off. I would think someone would have noticed something. Not saying the guy is a rocket scientist. I don't think Bush is a retard, I think he is smart he just lets everyone else make the decisions for him.

atszyman
Feb 14, 2008, 01:54 PM
I actually believe J. Kerry meant what he said, and tried to spin his words when the backlash began. There is a difference.

So did you believe Bush when he said that there would be a draft? At least Kerry had the intelligence to admit that he made a mistake and apologize for it.

I don't recall Bush ever apologizing, much less admitting that he's made a mistake, and there are plenty of things he could apologize for, some of which resulted in the unnecessary loss of life.

At least Kerry's mistake, whether intended or not, only ended with hurt feelings.

arkitect
Feb 14, 2008, 01:55 PM
Family connections do facilitate entrance into Ivy League schools. They do not, however, 'buy' passing grades.

How far exactly are you from the White House?
;)

leekohler
Feb 14, 2008, 01:55 PM
So all of Yale was bought off. I would think someone would have noticed something. Not saying the guy is a rocket scientist.

Maybe that's just how he got in.

EDIT: Beat me to it!

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 02:00 PM
So did you believe Bush when he said that there would be a draft? At least Kerry had the intelligence to admit that he made a mistake and apologize for it.

I don't recall Bush ever apologizing, much less admitting that he's made a mistake, and there are plenty of things he could apologize for, some of which resulted in the unnecessary loss of life.

At least Kerry's mistake, whether intended or not, only ended with hurt feelings.


Provide the full context of the Bush quote, and I will comment on it.

You must have missed this-
"Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me," he told the nation. "It is clear that we need to change our strategy in Iraq."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011002731.html

Ugg
Feb 14, 2008, 02:20 PM
Family connections do facilitate entrance into Ivy League schools. They do not, however, 'buy' passing grades.

Back when he got in, things were a little different than they are today. Had it not been for the silver spoon in his mouth, today, he would probably be flipping burgers at Mickey D's.

atszyman
Feb 14, 2008, 02:21 PM
Provide the full context of the Bush quote, and I will comment on it.

My apologies, it was a speech where he mentioned "we will not have an all-volunteer military", which he immediately corrected. I had vague recollection and an earlier post this thread misdirected me.

Should Bush apologize for equating the unemployed to al-Quaida for this quote?

"We have got a bigger enemy than name callers. That is Al-Qaeda or people losing jobs."

You must have missed this-


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011002731.html

That's not really an apology. Is it?

If you're going to take context into account then you need to look at Kerry's printed speech and lines (even what he said) prior to his bumbling and it's fairly obvious that he was trying to take a swipe at Bush and bumbled the wording. I don't think anyone who can get that far in politics is dumb enough to insult the intelligence of our soldiers.

Granted I'm not saying that anyone's public speaking is a good measure of their intelligence but that doesn't mean we can't laugh at it...

However when the word "nucular" is used, it doesn't help the stereotype...

MacNut
Feb 14, 2008, 02:22 PM
Back when he got in, things were a little different than they are today. Had it not been for the silver spoon in his mouth, today, he would probably be flipping burgers at Mickey D's.You could say that about most people that get into Ivy league schools. They are all bought in.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 02:29 PM
My apologies, it was a speech where he mentioned "we will not have an all-volunteer military", which he immediately corrected. I had vague recollection and an earlier post this thread misdirected me.

Should Bush apologize for equating the unemployed to al-Quaida for this quote?





That's not really an apology. Is it?

If you're going to take context into account then you need to look at Kerry's printed speech and lines (even what he said) prior to his bumbling and it's fairly obvious that he was trying to take a swipe at Bush and bumbled the wording. I don't think anyone who can get that far in politics is dumb enough to insult the intelligence of our soldiers.

Granted I'm not saying that anyone's public speaking is a good measure of their intelligence but that doesn't mean we can't laugh at it...

However when the word "nucular" is used, it doesn't help the stereotype...


Sounds like admitting mistakes to me.
You didn't provide a link, so I can not comment.

So J. Kerry isn't an idiot for bumbling a speech, but President Bush is?

Have you travelled across the US? Been to the deep South, or New England?
People in those areas use regional terms, which ignorant people sometimes equate to stupidity.

biturbomunkie
Feb 14, 2008, 02:30 PM
my fav isn't exactly bushism, but it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frMz9s3OLwY) made me laugh very hard for a long ass time. :D

stevegmu - i find it interesting that people don't give a second thought about others' writing skills. i'm not an english major, and i don't consider myself a grammar/spelling police. i type in lowercase most of the time and use abbreviations whenever possible. but perhaps influenced by my english professor, i find that writing skills often reflect a person's credibility and logic. for example, when a person repeatedly mixes up common, non-technical words like "there," "their," and "they're," am i supposed to take that person seriously?

Yes, they are different. It is far easier to sit in front of a computer and type, rather than speak in public, where corrections can not be made as easily.

one can also argue that the President has dozens of aides to help him with anything. in addition, i really doubt that W is a nervous public speaker as he always jokes with news reporters at the rose garden. let's be real, most of his speeches are prepared (and perhaps reviewed by experts). how a yale graduate managed to mix up "best" and "breast" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh4s6i4-7dg) amazes me till this day.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 02:37 PM
The problem some politicians have is not due to lack of staff, but too many, who make last-minute changes to speeches and prepared comments, often resulting in the speaker re-wording the script on the TelePrompTer.

Joking with the media, and giving a speech are two different things.

atszyman
Feb 14, 2008, 02:48 PM
Sounds like admitting mistakes to me.
You didn't provide a link, so I can not comment.

So J. Kerry isn't an idiot for bumbling a speech, but President Bush is?

Have you travelled across the US? Been to the deep South, or New England?
People in those areas use regional terms, which ignorant people sometimes equate to stupidity.

Show me where I said that Bush was an idiot. I was pointing out your defense of Bush misspeaking while criticizing Kerry for it in another thread.

I live in TX, originally in WI, and spent my college years in the upper peninsula of MI, and yes I don't judge people's intelligence based on their speaking ability, but that doesn't mean people can't find humor in mine, or other's misspeaking, and I expect to be laughed with/at when I misspeak.

Here's your link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292729,00.html).

CAVUTO: It doesn't get a little bit hard?

BUSH: I have been around long enough to be able to understand how it works and — yes, look, nobody likes to be called names, on the other hand, there is — we have got a bigger enemy than name callers. That is al Qaeda or people losing jobs.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 02:53 PM
Show me where I said that Bush was an idiot. I was pointing out your defense of Bush misspeaking while criticizing Kerry for it in another thread.

I live in TX, originally in WI, and spent my college years in the upper peninsula of MI, and yes I don't judge people's intelligence based on their speaking ability, but that doesn't mean people can't find humor in mine, or other's misspeaking, and I expect to be laughed with/at when I misspeak.

Here's your link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292729,00.html).



My bad, I assumed everyone in this Bush-bashing thread was in agreement with each other.
I see where he was going with that. He obviously meant, "We have bigger problems than name-callers, Al-Qaeda, and people losing their jobs."

Ugg
Feb 14, 2008, 03:17 PM
The problem some politicians have is not due to lack of staff, but too many, who make last-minute changes to speeches and prepared comments, often resulting in the speaker re-wording the script on the TelePrompTer.

Joking with the media, and giving a speech are two different things.

Why is is so impossible for you to admit that he's a crappy speaker?

He had the best that money could buy, he grew up in an east coast ivory tower and his faux texan accent is simply a pretense.

He's no more some country boy than Tony Blair is.

It's a sad sign that so many Americans bought into his campy texan good ole boy imitation and continue to do so.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 03:22 PM
Why is is so impossible for you to admit that he's a crappy speaker?

He had the best that money could buy, he grew up in an east coast ivory tower and his faux texan accent is simply a pretense.

He's no more some country boy than Tony Blair is.

It's a sad sign that so many Americans bought into his campy texan good ole boy imitation and continue to do so.

When did I say he he is a great speaker? He is a terrible public speaker.
Not sure why you would think a campy texan good ole boy imitation is a good thing.

leekohler
Feb 14, 2008, 03:26 PM
My bad, I assumed everyone in this Bush-bashing thread was in agreement with each other.
I see where he was going with that. He obviously meant, "We have bigger problems than name-callers, Al-Qaeda, and people losing their jobs."

I see you've got you little catch word already- "Bush-bashing". It's true, this is a Bush-bashing thread. Are you saying the man deserves otherwise? Are you saying people have no right to be angry with him? Are you saying we shouldn't bash Bush just because he's the President?

Well sorry- as long as we live a free country, that's how it is. We're free to speak our minds about our elected officials. And no President has ever deserved it more.

Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 03:36 PM
I see you've got you little catch word already- "Bush-bashing". It's true, this is a Bush-bashing thread. Are you saying the man deserves otherwise? Are you saying people have no right to be angry with him? Are you saying we shouldn't bash Bush just because he's the President?

Well sorry- as long as we live a free country, that's how it is. We're free to speak our minds about our elected officials. And no President has ever deserved it more.
Hear, hear!!!

Well said.

*Applauds*

biturbomunkie
Feb 14, 2008, 03:37 PM
The problem some politicians have is not due to lack of staff, but too many, who make last-minute changes to speeches and prepared comments, often resulting in the speaker re-wording the script on the TelePrompTer.

are you suggesting that our president hired a bunch of incompetent staff that have no command of basic english? or W trusts his aides so much that he'd ignore his own logic/basic english skills?

Joking with the media, and giving a speech are two different things.

you are right. but if W often jokes with the news reporters, it shows that he can't be that nervous when he's giving a speech.

i'd like to defend our president and commander in chief, but i think one presidential term is enough to better his public speaking skills. besides, is it too much to ask a person, who has had a privileged upbringing and received education from yale and harvard, to illustrate his thoughts clearly?

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 03:45 PM
are you suggesting that our president hired a bunch of incompetent staff that have no command of basic english? or W trusts his aides so much that he'd ignore his own logic/basic english skills?



you are right. but if W often jokes with the news reporters, it shows that he can't be that nervous when he's giving a speech.

i'd like to defend our president and commander in chief, but i think one presidential term is enough to better his public speaking skills. besides, is it too much to ask a person, who has had a privileged upbringing and received education from yale and harvard, to illustrate his thoughts clearly?


It isn't a matter of incompetent staff, but things being changed at the last minute. I see it all the time.
Joking around and reading off a TelePrompTer are not the same.
I thought his daddy got him into Yale and Harvard, and bought him grades, which means he didn't really receive a good education, but had degrees bought for him.

biturbomunkie
Feb 14, 2008, 04:08 PM
It isn't a matter of incompetent staff, but things being changed at the last minute. I see it all the time.

that was a rhetorical question. :D

Joking around and reading off a TelePrompTer are not the same.

well, obviously they are not, and it has been discussed already.

however, it is my opinion that if a presenter knows his/her subject well, s/he can still convey his/her message clearly when technologies fail.


I thought his daddy got him into Yale and Harvard, and bought him grades, which means he didn't really receive a good education, but had degrees bought for him.

i have no idea if that's true or not. but if you believe that, wouldn't it give you an idea of what W is as a person? i just find it interesting that you seem to be defending W so faithfully.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 04:14 PM
i just find it interesting that you seem to be defending W so faithfully.

It is more a response to those doing the attacking, than it is defending President Bush.

Much Ado
Feb 14, 2008, 04:17 PM
It is more a response to those doing the attacking, than it is defending President Bush.

Nice semantics.

From Princeton Wordnet:
S: (v) defend (act against an attack)

Dictionary.com:
to ward off attack from

atszyman
Feb 14, 2008, 04:20 PM
It is more a response to those doing the attacking, than it is defending President Bush.

Did you defend Clinton when people were attacking him?
What if Obama or Clinton wins the election this year, will you defend them if they are attacked? What makes Bush worthy of defense?

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 04:22 PM
Did you defend Clinton when people were attacking him?
What if Obama or Clinton wins the election this year, will you defend them if they are attacked? What makes Bush worthy of defense?

Yes. I even voted for him. I'm not really into hypotheticals. He is my President.

GoodWatch
Feb 14, 2008, 04:23 PM
Yes, they are different. It is far easier to sit in front of a computer and type, rather than speak in public, where corrections can not be made as easily.

Ronald Reagan was quite the public orator and wordsmith. By your logic, he was a great president.

His speech writer was. I guess you haven't seen the 'Altered Statesmen' episode about him.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 04:23 PM
Nice semantics.

From Princeton Wordnet:
S: (v) defend (act against an attack)

Dictionary.com:
to ward off attack from

Your point? I wasn't the one who equated grammar and usage to intelligence.

Much Ado
Feb 14, 2008, 04:26 PM
Your point? I wasn't the one who equated grammar and usage to intelligence.

Neither was I.

I just wanted to point out that saying you are 'responding to an attack' rather than defending is meaningless. BiTurboMunkey's point remains unanswered.

As I said, nice semantics.

stevegmu
Feb 14, 2008, 04:29 PM
His speech writer was. I guess you haven't seen the 'Altered Statesmen' episode about him.

The English hit piece on President Reagan? No.

atszyman
Feb 14, 2008, 04:31 PM
He is my President.

So we're supposed to avoid criticizing Bush because he's the president?

Prof.
Feb 14, 2008, 04:33 PM
So we're supposed to avoid criticizing Bush because he's the president?
I'm gonna have to say........ BASH HIM *devil horns*

:D

GoodWatch
Feb 14, 2008, 04:34 PM
The English hit piece on President Reagan? No.

??? English as in UK? It is a National Geographic series, not British.

CalBoy
Feb 14, 2008, 04:39 PM
Oh why am I getting involved in this thread? :p
He is my President.

I'm curious, do you believe he works for you?

If you hired him (as a voter) are you disappointed in his job performance?

biturbomunkie
Feb 14, 2008, 05:01 PM
It is more a response to those doing the attacking, than it is defending President Bush.

ummm... okay dude...

make the pie HIGHER! :D

KingYaba
Feb 15, 2008, 12:23 AM
good ole boy imitation

All hat and no cattle.

Ugg
Feb 15, 2008, 12:33 AM
All hat and no cattle.

Nah, he rents eight cows from the neighbors for show.

MrSmith
Feb 15, 2008, 10:38 AM
I'm just wondering. If Clinton or Obama get elected what will the American liberal have to complain about? Criticising a female or black president would be heresy, would it not?

atszyman
Feb 15, 2008, 10:51 AM
I'm just wondering. If Clinton or Obama get elected what will the American liberal have to complain about? Criticising a female or black president would be heresy, would it not?

I think it's the responsibility of every American citizen to complain and mock all of their elected officials when they do stupid things, or complain when they do something we don't agree with. If we're not going to use it why bother keeping the Constitution's first amendment? We elect them, they work for us. We only get to review their performance every few years, but that doesn't mean we can't try to influence their job performance in non-election years.

leekohler
Feb 15, 2008, 11:42 AM
I'm just wondering. If Clinton or Obama get elected what will the American liberal have to complain about? Criticising a female or black president would be heresy, would it not?

When elected officials screw up, they get criticized. Stick around after the election and watch us all do it. If they do a great job, we might not- but chances are no matter who gets elected, we'll still need to keep them in line. That goes for black, white, gay and anything else. You won't find a harder crowd to please. You should have seen how liberals criticized Clinton back when he was in office.

Thomas Veil
Feb 16, 2008, 06:57 PM
I see, I guess H. Chaves would make a fantastic president. After all, he is a great public speaker. So your syllogism is:


Presidents should be able to speak well (per Prof.).

Huge Chavez speaks well.

Therefore, by your (Prof.'s) logic, Chavez would make a great president.


Hardly what Prof. said.

Ronald Reagan was quite the public orator and wordsmith. By your logic, he was a great president.If being a good BS artist is the same as being a great orator, then yes, Reagan was a great orator.

But you are once again drawing incorrect inferences. "A president should be a good orator" is not the same thing as saying "All good orators should be president."

But I think you know that.

I don't think Bush is a retard, I think he is smart he just lets everyone else make the decisions for him.Just what you want in a President of the United States. Someone who lets everyone else make the decisions for him.

Especially when the guy says of himself, "I'm the decider." :D

MacNut
Feb 16, 2008, 08:08 PM
Just what you want in a President of the United States. Someone who lets everyone else make the decisions for him.I bet that goes on more then you would like to think. All I think think of is the movie Independence Day.

wonga1127
Feb 17, 2008, 02:07 AM
Speaking of insensitive comments, heres one from todays page on my day to day calender:

Said to Dale Earnhardt Jr...

"There's nothing wrong with a fellow following in his father's footsteps."

...three years after dale sr's fatal crash.

Oh and actively not participating in the criticism of an elected official you don't like is not only unpatriotic, but its no fun either. The Founding Father's didn't write the first amendment so people could feign patriotism and shut up and be little servants to the government.

solvs
Feb 17, 2008, 03:21 AM
I see, I guess H. Chaves would make a fantastic president. After all, he is a great public speaker.
Why go there? No one is defending or even talking about Chavez, but you have to throw that out there why? This was a thread about how Bush says a lot of stupid things. Speaking poorly doesn't make one a bad leader, no, but it doesn't help either. Especially if as lee said, what he does isn't great either. Someone who says smart things or speaks well, that doesn't automatically make them a good leader either. More strawmen.

When every phrase one utters in public is scrutinized, there are bound to be 'Bushisms'.
But there are just so many of them.

If you can't laugh at some else who can you laugh at.
Liberals apparently.

I actually believe J. Kerry meant what he said, and tried to spin his words when the backlash began.
Except, as already pointed out to you, the original joke was already in writing prior to the controversy and what he meant was more clear when one reads it as written. He screwed up what he had prepared. And of course, there would be no reason to actually say what you think he said. You'd have to be severely partisan to think he would or that he actually believes that. Believe what you want, doesn't make it true.

Would you have defended him had he won as well, since you clearly say your defense of Bush has nothing to do with your views?

My bad, I assumed
Clearly.

It is more a response to those doing the attacking, than it is defending President Bush.
So you're trolling then?

He is my President.
Mine too. Which is why I criticize him. We have a right, and a responsibility, to be tough on our leaders and representatives. To criticize them when they do something wrong, to hold them responsible for what they do. We don't do that, we have what people like you keep saying we're fighting against. I'd rather not defend the indefensible just because of the position of the person responsible. In this case, he and his administration work for me, and I've been very unhappy with their work. You're damn right I'm going to complain. Anyone paying attention should. This is my country they're screwing up, position that affect me and mine. Why wouldn't I criticize?

I wasn't the one who equated grammar and usage to intelligence.
Actually, you seem to be the only one doing so.

All hat and no cattle.
He's also afraid of horses.

I'm just wondering. If Clinton or Obama get elected what will the American liberal have to complain about? Criticising a female or black president would be heresy, would it not?
You must have missed the constant criticism we've given to both of them here, not to mention it everywhere else you'd probably consider "liberal", but don't let me stop you from making more strawmen and generalities, no matter how ridiculous.

kainjow
Feb 17, 2008, 06:58 PM
I thought this was funny. In my economics book they quote Bush saying "More and more of our imports come from overseas." Does it really take a President to say that? :rolleyes:

Thomas Veil
Feb 18, 2008, 07:59 AM
I thought this was funny. In my economics book they quote Bush saying "More and more of our imports come from overseas." Does it really take a President to say that? :rolleyes:No, a drunk or a retard will do just fine, thank you.

stevegmu
Feb 18, 2008, 09:04 AM
I thought this was funny. In my economics book they quote Bush saying "More and more of our imports come from overseas." Does it really take a President to say that? :rolleyes:

Apparently some think all imports come from overseas. Those of us who know better don't find anything wrong or inaccurate with his statement.