800mhz TiBook!

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Considering how DDR memory is at the following levels, PC1600, PC2100, PC2700 and it keeps getting faster (PC3200/3300 is on the horizon).

Anyone happen to know what the real speed of the rambus memory actually is?

What interests me is the Apple rumours of 333MHz DDR in upcoming machines. What use would there be in using 333MHz RAM on a bus that can not exceed 133MHz. In DDR terms, 266MHz RAM is perfect for the G4... at least until they work out how to make the bus faster which I would not imagine they would bother with when they could spend those R&D dollars on the G5

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen


I just checked, Apple charges $US450 to take a 256MB machine up to 1GB of regular SDRAM. So, for $US50 more than the price of 512MB DDR you can get a 512 and an extra 256MB SDRAM despite the fact that both are about the same cost these days.

Which computer are you looking at???

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Mohawk memory has a 512MB PC2100 chip for $160.

Everyone knows (or should) that Apple charges more for memory. That is one reason why get my memory elsewhere.

I thought they had worked out their excessive RAM price problem since they now charge RRP on Apple Store for regular SDRAM but this shows that to be totally wrong. Good thing I don't have to buy from AppleStore.

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Which computer are you looking at???

I think it was a G4 933
I just randomly chose a machine that uses SDRAM since one would assume the price would be same across the board for the same RAM.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen
I thought they had worked out their excessive RAM price problem since they now charge RRP on Apple Store for regular SDRAM but this shows that to be totally wrong. Good thing I don't have to buy from AppleStore.

Don't ever buy RAM from Apple. If I could I'd get no RAM on a new machine, as it is, the last machine I got I maxed out to 4x256 and took the 128 it came with and stuck it in a drawer. Its silly, but memory is one place where Apple makes a fair bit of money, money I'd prefer to spend on something else.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen


I think it was a G4 933
I just randomly chose a machine that uses SDRAM since one would assume the price would be same across the board for the same RAM.

That price was for a pair of 512MB chips. The way you posted the pricing of the GB upgrade, it looked like you thought they put in two 256MB chips and a single 512MB chip. That's not the case, since it states right on the options, '1GB SDRAM - 2 DIMMS'.

We ALL know that Apple charges a premium for memory. It's not even worth arguing over.

[AlphaTech]

dukestreet, I'm fairly lucky in the relationship I have with the owner over at Mohawk Memory. I have traded in Apple issue memory before towards larger chips. I am considering doing that with the pair of 256 chips that my TiBook came with towards a single 512MB chip. I have a few other things to pick up first though.

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


That price was for a pair of 512MB chips. The way you posted the pricing of the GB upgrade, it looked like you thought they put in two 256MB chips and a single 512MB chip. That's not the case, since it states right on the options, '1GB SDRAM - 2 DIMMS'.

We ALL know that Apple charges a premium for memory. It's not even worth arguing over.

I do understand how the RAM comes but I don't see that that is the point. Even if they did give you 2x256 and 1x512 the 512MB would still be significantly less expensive than the cost of the DDR equivilant.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen
I do understand how the RAM comes but I don't see that that is the point. Even if they did give you 2x256 and 1x512 the 512MB would still be significantly less expensive than the cost of the DDR equivilant.

How do you figure that the SDRAM from Apple would be cheaper??? I posted above finding a 512MB DDR (PC2100) chip for $160 (256MB chips are listing for about half of that as well).

There is 1GB DDR memory out there, but it is still way too expensive to be affordable by anyone other then large companies.

In case anyone cares... we have exceeded the post count of travis' thread by more then a few already. :D

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Considering how DDR memory is at the following levels, PC1600, PC2100, PC2700 and it keeps getting faster (PC3200/3300 is on the horizon).

Anyone happen to know what the real speed of the rambus memory actually is?

Current RDRAM is PC800 I believe, but I know it is headed for a speed increase.

[Beej]

The only reason Intel supports Rambus is that they have a contractual obligation to do so. You can bet Intel is kicking itself over that.

I don't recall the deatails, but I think Intel supported Rambus before DDR was around. Part of the deal was that Intel would have to stay in bed with Rambus for x number of years. Then DDR came out, and it was cheaper and almost as good.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Current RDRAM is PC800 I believe, but I know it is headed for a speed increase.

Does anyone other then intel make the RDRAM?? I know there are more then one maker of DDR (PC2100/2700) memory which could account for the fact that they are getting faster, and cheaper. PC2700 uses a 333MHz bus speed, so the motherboard has to have slots that will accept it. I just wonder when Apple will jump to that level, or go to the PC3300 (400MHz bus). Maybe we will see one of those in the next tower revision.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Does anyone other then intel make the RDRAM?? I know there are more then one maker of DDR (PC2100/2700) memory which could account for the fact that they are getting faster, and cheaper. PC2700 uses a 333MHz bus speed, so the motherboard has to have slots that will accept it. I just wonder when Apple will jump to that level, or go to the PC3300 (400MHz bus). Maybe we will see one of those in the next tower revision.

I don't think Intel makes RDRAM. They leave that to the usual memory people (Samsung, Kingston, etc.). But as far as I know, they are the only people making a chipset that uses it.

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


How do you figure that the SDRAM from Apple would be cheaper??? I posted above finding a 512MB DDR (PC2100) chip for $160 (256MB chips are listing for about half of that as well).

There is 1GB DDR memory out there, but it is still way too expensive to be affordable by anyone other then large companies.

In case anyone cares... we have exceeded the post count of travis' thread by more then a few already. :D

Cheaper than DDR from Apple you dill. You are the only one talking non-Apple here

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen


Cheaper than DDR from Apple you dill. You are the only one talking non-Apple here

Alright you wanker... A pair of 512MB DDR (PC2100) memory would run $320 (plus shipping and what not).

As I have posted MORE THEN ONCE, Apple charges too much for memory... deal with it Bubba.

[Beej]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Alright you wanker... A pair of 512MB DDR (PC2100) memory would run $320 (plus shipping and what not).

As I have posted MORE THEN ONCE, Apple charges too much for memory... deal with it Bubba. Wow, this thread is reminding me of the old days... hot hot hot!

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Beej
Wow, this thread is reminding me of the old days... hot hot hot!

this is the biggest thread i have seen on macrumors, and look how many posts have nothing to do with the topic

and then again, look how many posts do;)

[Beej]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


this is the biggest thread i have seen on macrumors, and look how many posts have nothing to do with the topic

and then again, look how many posts do;) Is that one of those half empty or half full things?

I don't think this thread has any real purpose any more, other than to become the longest thread. I bet it's closed due to lack of content before it reaches 291... :)

[sphereboy]

This could start something.

I received the bag I ordered for my new TiBook.

I got the Cargo [Medium] Bag from SFBags (http://www.sfbags.com). I must say, I am very happy with the quality and craftmanship the bag was made with. It's the perfect bag. Good size. Nice design. Alot of room.

[AlphaTech]

ick.... I had to grab my trash can here to barf into sphereboy.

I would put up a link for my Brenthaven bag, but they don't show it on their web site (www.brenthaven.com). I find that the backpack type are infinitely more useful, since you can take them with you anywhere. Riding the motorcycle, inside the truck, for a walk, even on the bike (pedal powered). I prefer the more subdued laptop carriers, without the huge, flashy buckles on them.

[sphereboy]

(wiping barf off my head) :rolleyes:

.. post an image of it... i'm interested in seeing what it looks like.

I agree, the backpack sounds much more convenient. I didn't really think about it. But for some reason i like the design of the cargo bag.

But i would like to see the one your talking about.

[chibianh]

I already have a backpack and don't really want to get a new one. I bought the Monolith G4 from Tom Bihn (www.tombihn.com) and just put my tibook in there and then put that in my backpack. works really well, too.

Also, it helps if you just want to bring your laptop and not want to carry a backpack.

[sphereboy]

nice recommendation.

[King Cobra]

Wow, sphereboy actually waited almost a quarter of a whole day just to type up two words. :) What I would recommend for a carry case is this:

http://www.powermax.com/cgi-global/generate.cgi?p=A-APL-T3172G%2FA

What would you guys recommend for something that can hold a Ti and can be used as a backpack?
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[Beej]

When I had my WallStreet, or when I need to take an old laptop with me anywhere, I always just throw it in my Rip Curl satchel. It's red. Makes my computer go faster. ;)

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by King Cobra
What would you guys recommend for something that can hold a Ti and can be used as a backpack?


I'd recommend anything by Brenthaven. The Apple Store has two there, the Titanium 2 Backpack and Mobility 2 both listed under 'Portable Gear'.

[sphereboy]

Originally posted by King Cobra
Wow, sphereboy actually waited almost a quarter of a whole day just to type up two words. :)

'sphereboy is crazy' :D

[Beej]

Originally posted by sphereboy


'sphereboy is crazy' :D Indeed, it would seem that way. You crazy, crazy person, you.

[bonehead]

I got the Timbuk 2 laptop sleeve for my new TiBook 800. It's padded and will fit inside my messenger bag. Plus it has handles if you just want to carry it by itself. It doesn't have any extra pockets but that's what the messenger bag (or a backpack) is for.

[jefhatfield]

i am a home mac user with an ibook

how strong is the titanium for carrying around?

titanium is efffectively as light as aluminum and nearly as strong as steel in everyday usage for most products

so how good does your laptop bag have to be?

my ibook is the original rev. a version and this thing is incredibly rugged for a laptop

my pc laptop has to be handled with kid gloves since parts pop off of it if slightly mishandled and i would like a metal briefcase for that machine

with my ibook, a minimally laptop designed bag or backpack is all that is needed

[Elan0204]

Originally posted by bonehead
I got the Timbuk 2 laptop sleeve for my new TiBook 800. It's padded and will fit inside my messenger bag. Plus it has handles if you just want to carry it by itself. It doesn't have any extra pockets but that's what the messenger bag (or a backpack) is for.

I was taking a look at the Timbuk2 sleeve too. How is it working out for you? Do you think it provides enough protection for your ti? Which material/color did you go with?

Anyone else have this or another laptop sleeve to recommend? I've already got a messanger bag that I'd like to use.

Thanks for the help.

[Oatmeal]

Great timing for this thread. I've been spending alot of time looking at all the alternatives I can find for my new TiBook. I already have a fine leather briefcase that I would like to use for it. If I needed to start from scratch, I would lean towards the Brenhaven bag offered by Apple. I'ts sized especially for the TiBook.
To use with a bag already owned, it must fit inside. Those with padding and a sling system seem pretty neat, but I don't know how necessary the sling would be. www.swissarmy.com also makes an insert with a sling. Coach has one for it's leather bags, but it has no padding on the bottom. Go figure. www.Tumi.com makers of really good luggage, makes some fine computer bags that compete with brenhaven. They're really pricey, but their insert is comparitively priced to others, and is well padded. I've found some inserts have lids, or covers, for protection, while others have a strap that closes the opening and keeps the laptop inside. The theory is, I guess, if it's inside another bag, quick access is more important than another cover. Don't know if a cover would be desired. Currently I'm leaning towards Tumi's insert, or Brenhaven's bag. Still undecided.

[Oatmeal]

Almost forgot, www.jrhillandcompany.com/ makes some seemingly nice quality TiBook stiff, like close fitting sleeves of leather or nylon, and a nifty lap pad of rubger an leather.

[mcrain]

www.sjdesign.com apparantly released a brand new sleave reviewed on powerpage.org. I have a lapdog from them, and also a leather case that is far thicker. I thought the leather case would be better, but because you have to always remove the computer to use it, it ends up being far more dangerous.

The lapdogs and sleaves that utilize sjdesigns laptop office concept are fantastic because you can use it on your lap without ever removing it from the sleeve, and, on top of that, the sleeve protects your lap from computer heat.

Take a look at their page, and if you get one, I promise you'll love it. I haven't used my leather bag (with all its extra space for stuff) since I got my lapdog.

[pwfletcher]

I have a Ti G4 800 and just did a framerate check running itunes visualizations in full screen (open itunes, check visualizations - full screen, hit the "F" key. I am only getting an average of 23 fps. Shouldn't it be more with the new 32MB card? Post your framerates for comparison.

[sphereboy]

i'm getting an average of 23 also... full screen on my TiBook 800MHZ 60GB

[Beej]

22 fps on my G4 933 w/ GF4MX.

Oh wait, seti is running...

31 fps now. But I think it's capped at 31. I can't remember how to uncap it. Anyone?

[britboy]

To uncap your frame rate, run the visualization in windowed mode. In the top-right hand corner (next to search) you'll see the options button. In there, there's an option to cap the frame rate at 30fps, and a couple of other things.

Mine maxes out at 14fps, but then i do have a rev. a tibook :)

[King Cobra]

Under 800x600 resolution with iTunes 2.0.3
W/music: about 16
W/O: about 20

I am using the Cube, of course. Is it possible for iTunes to use the G4 processor to integrate visuals more, or is it all done by graphics and RAM?
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[mc68k]

Originally posted by King Cobra
Under 800x600 resolution with iTunes 2.0.3
W/music: about 16
W/O: about 20

I am using the Cube, of course. Is it possible for iTunes to use the G4 processor to integrate visuals more, or is it all done by graphics and RAM?
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I think it's limited to the gpu and graphics bus. iTunes sucks hard on my s900 even though I have a 32MB Radeon Mac Edition DDR, with a 510MHz G4. Visualizer=graphics=gpu

[Beej]

35 fps uncapped. That seems strange - it should easily do more than that (g4 933)

[mc68k]

Originally posted by Beej
35 fps uncapped. That seems strange - it should easily do more than that (g4 933)
Based on what…I've not seen it much higher than that. Is there any frame skippage or is it smooth?

[bonehead]

I was taking a look at the Timbuk2 sleeve too. How is it working out for you? Do you think it provides enough protection for your ti? Which material/color did you go with?

The sleeve fits well and is thickly padded. I don't worry about the computer getting banged up. I went with the grey waxed canvas instead of the Cordura. I thought the grey would go well with the Titanium. I will be travelling a bit in the next couple of months so the true road test will happen then.

[Grokgod]

On the Timbuk2 site the handles on the sleeve are a strange color, brownish?
What color are the handles really? can they be chosen?
Whats the interior, so if you choose grey whats the insode and handles colored?

[bonehead]

Grokgod:

The handles and the interior are a black synthetic material, probably nylon. I'm not sure if you can select a different color. Timbuk2 has a flash site you can use to design your own bag. You can mock up variations and e-mail them to yourself for comparison. The color fidelity isn't one-hundred percent between the site and the actual bag. It could be my monitor though.

What did you decide about the 60GB hard drive in the TiBook? Mine's been pretty quiet except when reading/writing to it but that's probably normal.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by bonehead

What did you decide about the 60GB hard drive in the TiBook? Mine's been pretty quiet except when reading/writing to it but that's probably normal.

Good to hear that other 60GB drives are silent. I guess the one I had was an anomaly, which is why it will be winging it's way back to IBM and getting replaced (the drive only). I will have to decide when the new one arrives if I want to make it internal, or external (firewire enclosure).

Do you get noise from the drive every moment or two, a short accessing sound??? That is what I was getting on mine. Called IBM and got an RMA for it. Nice people they have as tech's there. The last one I spoke with even wished that they made utilities to run on Mac's that are using their drives... which would make sense since Apple is using them in the TiBooks (all the drives).

[pyrogen]

I really dig my Dana messenger Bag with laptop insert......sooooooooo comfortable.

[bonehead]

Do you get noise from the drive every moment or two, a short accessing sound??? That is what I was getting on mine. Called IBM and got an RMA for it.

I do get the noise sometimes but not all the time. I was just hearing it while reading your post. It is gone now though. Do you think an intermittent occurence warrants a replacement? I hear it when I'm on the internet and I figure it could be IE doing something in the background but that is pure conjecture on my part.