Upcoming car designs 2004-2005 [Archive]

3rdpath

Oct 26, 2003, 04:55 PM

me and the mrs actually went to check out the '04 prius today...none in stock but they did have one to look at. it's quite nice...not nearly as squenched-up as the first release. and the interior is almost as roomy as the camry. we're thinking of nuking the accord for a new prius...also, the highlander will be released as a hybrid in '05...that should be sweet.

why is it toyota is making and selling a boatload of the cars GM says no one will buy...or can't be built economically? lame. lame. lame.

btw, the latest review i read of the new gt40 says it IS indeed a ferrari slayer. i've loved the gt40's design since the original...this new one is quite a bit larger but is an amazing performer.

CMillerERAU

Oct 26, 2003, 07:11 PM

I have felt for a long time that the big thing holding back supper efficent cars is their styling. Before the Insight, all you see are geekmobiles with 3 wheels, no hood, or some other hideous design. Now, I don't think the Insight is the best looking car on the road, but it was a great step in the right direction. If you squinted hard enough it looked like a civic hatchback. Now with the new Prius and Cvic hybrid, I think we'll be seeing more and more people wanting to go with "alternative" vehicles. I for one would love to get a Civic or Prius to commute (if I can just get a job to commute to!)

Dont Hurt Me

Oct 26, 2003, 07:17 PM

still think the mini-cooper is cool as they come. lucky enough to drive the high end one. very quick and sweet.

job

Oct 26, 2003, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by iGAV
Ferrari 612 scaglietti :D

for a moment i thought i was looking at a aston martin db9....

it seems too similar to the current aston designs.

job

Oct 26, 2003, 07:51 PM

mmmm...

bmw 125ci

three door...mmmm...

andym172

Oct 26, 2003, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
Ford isn't really challenging the ferrari at all, its a really fast and cool car but its not challenging exotic foreign super car

Sorry, I think you're wrong.

The new GT40 is every inch a supercar and supposedly blows the 360 into the weeds.

IMHO this is the first American sportscar that is true to every value that makes up a sportscar. Many of you will scoff at this statement, but to be fair, I don't think you'll be able to name one other American designed/built sportscar that could handle as well as have the oomph for romping down the straights. This is esentially why American built cars have never really been a success anywhere outside of the US.

The fact that this, and the original, GT40 are essentially British designed and built (certainly when regarding the original) is by the by - we'll let you have this one, it's been a long time coming!! ;) :D

Abstract

Oct 26, 2003, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by iGAV
Ferrari 612 scaglietti :D
Hmmm.....scaglietti. Sounds like a type of pasta. :p

The Ford GT is supposed to be very fast and everything, and may be a Ferrari "killer", but its barebones on the inside. Its quite "ugly". Even people who you'd think would only care about the performance and exterior styling wouldn't really want a car with that interior. Ferrari has all the styling and grace.

Faster? Maybe, but its like a WinPC while Ferrari is like an Apple: Slower. Faster. Whatever. I'd still take a Ferrari if I had a choice of either one. ;)

PS: The brakes on my father's Ford once failed on him while he was driving down a hill, and he almost died when driving towards a red light with cars passing through the intersection...

Kwyjibo

Oct 26, 2003, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by andym172
Sorry, I think you're wrong.

The new GT40 is every inch a supercar and supposedly blows the 360 into the weeds.

IMHO this is the first American sportscar that is true to every value that makes up a sportscar. Many of you will scoff at this statement, but to be fair, I don't think you'll be able to name one other American designed/built sportscar that could handle as well as have the oomph for romping down the straights. This is esentially why American built cars have never really been a success anywhere outside of the US.

The fact that this, and the original, GT40 are essentially British designed and built (certainly when regarding the original) is by the by - we'll let you have this one, it's been a long time coming!! ;) :D

If Cadillac were to put the Cien concept into production (i'm not sure what the plans were/are) that may rival ferrari sales but I simply think theres a huge brand issue with pricetags like that. People who put down that kind of money look for prestige as much as power in terms of consumer sales. If I could choose a high end porsche or a ferrari 360 Spider, I would go for either of those ... especially if i was paying that kind of money ... this is my opinion, ford sales might surprise me but i'm not counting on it...Also what kind of production numbers is ford considering and what was the suggested pricetag?

iGav

Oct 27, 2003, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by andym172
Sorry, I think you're wrong.

The new GT40 is every inch a supercar and supposedly blows the 360 into the weeds.

only because it has 100BHP more.... :p :p :p

The 360 is the beginners Ferrari.... the Enzo would whoop GT that round the ring :D

I must say I do actually like the new Ford GT... especially seeing Clarkson drive it on Top Gear last night.... smart interior, although I think they could have done something abit more original rather than fit a standard DIN radio...(too TVR) think BMW! but apart from that its cool!

Now if only Audi would see sense and release the Rosemeyer!

krossfyter

Oct 27, 2003, 06:45 AM

Toyota 4000GT
http://www.busybeetoys.com/SCOOP/06-4000GT.jpg

Toyota is coming out with the 4000GT based on the lexus sc400 chassis...It's rumored to produce 400 viper chasing HP.

new toyota supra? expected release date is 2005.
http://www.jefftsai.com/Pictures/Cars/SuperCars-Proto/Toyota/MKV/supra.jpg

http://www.bluebatmobile.com/gallery/albums/misc_pics/2005_supra_multi_view.jpg

krossfyter

Oct 27, 2003, 12:48 PM

new EVO

http://www.koenigsegg.com/graphics/frontimage_2.jpg

http://www.koenigsegg.com/graphics/sliderimage_6.jpg

http://www.koenigsegg.com/graphics/sliderimage_2.jpg

iGav

Oct 27, 2003, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by krossfyter
new EVO

Evo??? that's a Koenigsegg CC8S

medea

Oct 27, 2003, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
still think the mini-cooper is cool as they come. lucky enough to drive the high end one. very quick and sweet.
I agree, and a cabrio should be out soon.

medea

Oct 27, 2003, 06:53 PM

The Toyota FINE-S is a fuel cell-powered concept that uses modular parts and electric motors on all wheels.
Tron anyone?

medea

Oct 27, 2003, 06:54 PM

new vet?

Jagga

Oct 27, 2003, 08:53 PM

I currently like the RX-8 and the 350Z especially the after market pieces added on. SO I'll attach on of the RX-8 for you since thats what I've got my eye on for late next year.

krossfyter that first pic of the 4000GT Toyota is an old photo circa 1994 before the Supra GT Turbo (Sequential Twin-Turbo) that appeared in the first "Fast & The Furious" movie; you know the orange car. Now it never came out, and in North America didn't sell as Toyota expected, but I do hope they give it another try but not the japanese add photo you posted, YUCK.

That Audi LeMans is basically a Lambourgini Mercialago or however its spelt. same engine, transmission, and AWD.

krossfyter

Oct 27, 2003, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Jagga
I currently like the RX-8 and the 350Z especially the after market pieces added on. SO I'll attach on of the RX-8 for you since thats what I've got my eye on for late next year.

krossfyter that first pic of the 4000GT Toyota is an old photo circa 1994 before the Supra GT Turbo (Sequential Twin-Turbo) that appeared in the first "Fast & The Furious" movie; you know the orange car. Now it never came out, and in North America didn't sell as Toyota expected, but I do hope they give it another try but not the japanese add photo you posted, YUCK.

That Audi LeMans is basically a Lambourgini Mercialago or however its spelt. same engine, transmission, and AWD.

thats not the orange car at all. the orange car was an mkiv model. i guess im not understanding what exactly you are saying. the info for that car seems to indicate that its a 4000GT. the top of the line supra thats expected to come out. of course the info could be wrong.

krossfyter

Oct 27, 2003, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by iGAV
Evo??? that's a Koenigsegg CC8S

thanks for the correction.

why does it say "evo" on the site?

job

Oct 27, 2003, 11:35 PM

what, no takers for the 3 door bmw hatchback from page one?

shame...i really like that car. seems perfect for young professionals.

Jagga

Oct 28, 2003, 12:15 AM

um Jobs, too many cars look like that BMW; VW GTI VR6, Audi A3 all wheel drive just to name 2 that come to mind; probably same performance.

Fast & The Furious, the very 1st movie.......the orange car I mean is the one where the ADD kid worked on so that Vin Diesel and the blonde kid could race the snob-nose looser in the Ferrari whom thinks that $$$ & prestige could beat enginuity.

Its also the same orange car when vin and the same blonde kid dragged raced to the railway crossing. THat my friend was a 1998 Toyota Supra Turbo (4 seat sports car). Watch the movie again if you cannot remember.

nobody like the RX-8?? Guess I'm the only Eccentric lover here (Eccentric shaft in Rotary engine, not drive shaft.)

krossfyter

Oct 28, 2003, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by Jagga
um Jobs, too many cars look like that BMW; VW GTI VR6, Audi A3 all wheel drive just to name 2 that come to mind; probably same performance.

Fast & The Furious, the very 1st movie.......the orange car I mean is the one where the ADD kid worked on so that Vin Diesel and the blonde kid could race the snob-nose looser in the Ferrari whom thinks that $$$ & prestige could beat enginuity.

Its also the same orange car when vin and the same blonde kid dragged raced to the railway crossing. THat my friend was a 1998 Toyota Supra Turbo (4 seat sports car). Watch the movie again if you cannot remember.

nobody like the RX-8?? Guess I'm the only Eccentric lover here (Eccentric shaft in Rotary engine, not drive shaft.)

yeah i know it was a supra... it was a mkiv model to be exact but what im asking is why are you mentioning it? are you saying that it looks similar to what i posted?.... because its not the one i posted.

:confused:

iGav

Oct 28, 2003, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by Jagga
That Audi LeMans is basically a Lambourgini Mercialago or however its spelt. same engine, transmission, and AWD.

Close, it's actually based on the Gallardo spaceframe, but with much more power (112BHP more), also features the Audi DSG gearbox with dual clutches, Torsen diff 4 wheel drive, and magnetic ride shock absorbers with characteristics that can be altered by application of a magentic field to shocks internal fluid.

Whether the production specs remain the same as this however is up for debate... but as it stands, this is the daddy over any current Lamborghini ;) :D

Abstract

Oct 28, 2003, 01:21 PM

I love the way the Mazda RX-8 looks as well, but I don't understand the big deal behind the Rotary Engine. Yes, its the only one on a (semi) large scale production (or whatever they claim it to be), but what's the big deal? Is it a better engine? Does it make the car better, or is it more of a novelty thing?

And yes, the BMW hatchback is gorgeous. We don't get the Audi A3 over here in Canada, but I think that car is particularly sweet as well. I love hatchbacks. :)

Vector

Oct 28, 2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by job
what, no takers for the 3 door bmw hatchback from page one?

shame...i really like that car. seems perfect for young professionals.

Its nice, and probably drives great, but when you already have a nicer bmw it isnt as nice. Plus i do not like hatchbacks.

yamabushi

Oct 28, 2003, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Abstract
I love the way the Mazda RX-8 looks as well, but I don't understand the big deal behind the Rotary Engine. Yes, its the only one on a (semi) large scale production (or whatever they claim it to be), but what's the big deal? Is it a better engine? Does it make the car better, or is it more of a novelty thing?

Rotary engines have few moving parts, which can make them more reliable than piston engines. They also can be lighter and have less vibration. They are also good candidates for using hydrogen for fuel(not fuel-cell).

They have some drawbacks as well. Many of these are due to a lack of interest in perfecting the design, while others are inherent to the design.

One problem that drivers soon notice is that since the engine runs smooth and even and will rev very high(9000 rpm or more), midrange acceleration can suffer in the RX-8 unless you downshift to compensate.

iGav

Oct 28, 2003, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by yamabushi
One problem that drivers soon notice is that since the engine runs smooth and even and will rev very high(9000 rpm or more), midrange acceleration can suffer in the RX-8 unless you downshift to compensate.

that's the biggest drawback if you ask me, lack of low down torque, actually just a lack of torque all round.... you have to rev to insane levels to really get them working, which is great on a racetrack or fastroads when you can keep the revs in the range, but around town, it can be abit silly.... they're super smooth though in the high rev range so it's not exactly a chore keeping it there! :D

Like you said though, it's suffered from lack of interest in development.

yamabushi

Oct 28, 2003, 04:05 PM

I think Mazda could solve the torque problem by adding an electric motor and a better automatic transmission. Even the motor in the Prius would provide more than enough torque. It would however involve a major redesign.

Prom1

Oct 28, 2003, 11:48 PM

krossfyter, I mentioned the Supra because the first picture you showed was what was supposed to be released. Not too unfortunately the mkIV was released instead.

Now Has anyone truely driven the RX-7, any version????
I have for a whole year, every day. It is a magnificent engine. Its torque althought low in numbers is very direct. Most people don't like the engine because it revs SO easily, like a turbocharger on full wine, with just a tap of the throttle the wankel will rev but hold its rev for roughly one-two seconds.

A little racing prowess. The 1997 24 Hours of LeMans, Mazda entered 3 GTP race cars all with 3-Rotor Wankel 13B engines (much like the production engines in the 1994-1998 Mazda RX-7 Sequential Twin-Turbo). Other than Oil change ABSOLUTELY no engine trouble occured during the whole race, allowing for a 1st, 3rd and 9 place finishes!!! This was so impressive that LeMans racing body has BANNED the engine for UNFAIR ADVANTAGE INDEFINATELY!!!! Also, Mazda has taken SERIOUS interest in refining the Wankel Rotary; SO much so that They are the only company to hold a license to develop the Wankel and Produce it. Even though Ford owns roughly 75% of Mazda, development is under Mazda guidelines and supervision - Ford has no part in it. Lastly, in 1995 Mazda was the first of ANY company to successfully take a production engine and modify it to run on Hydrogen Fuel!!

Problems, were fuel efficiency -much improved but maight be a concern when comparing say an Infinit G35 coupe. The oil seals, at the apex's of the Rotary need to stay oild at ALL time when running, so when the engine has been off for a while and starts up, that's when damage occurs. Until a few revolutions have been completed.

Great engine.

krossfyter

Oct 29, 2003, 12:00 AM

ah i didnt know that. first time ive heard of that. very well then. lets just go with the second image. thanks for the correction.

;)

jelloshotsrule

Oct 29, 2003, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by 3rdpath
me and the mrs actually went to check out the '04 prius today...none in stock but they did have one to look at. it's quite nice...not nearly as squenched-up as the first release. and the interior is almost as roomy as the camry. we're thinking of nuking the accord for a new prius...also, the highlander will be released as a hybrid in '05...that should be sweet.

why is it toyota is making and selling a boatload of the cars GM says no one will buy...or can't be built economically? lame. lame. lame.

btw, the latest review i read of the new gt40 says it IS indeed a ferrari slayer. i've loved the gt40's design since the original...this new one is quite a bit larger but is an amazing performer.

same boat my dad is in... ie, looking but not in stock. actually, i guess they had one, but he was unable to test drive at the time

hopefully he'll make the move

should be cool

are you in the market to actually buy soon?

krossfyter

Oct 29, 2003, 12:47 AM

whats GM saying about Toyota cars now? I couldnt quite get what 3rd path was saying.

Frankly im tired of Toyota playing it safe with these "smart cars"... which is understandable and quite smart... but they need to come out with a competitor to the new rx7 and the 350z etc. Hopefully the new Supra (or whatever they are going to call it) will be just that.

jelloshotsrule

Oct 29, 2003, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by krossfyter
Frankly im tired of Toyota playing it safe with these "smart cars"... which is understandable and quite smart... but they need to come out with a competitor to the new rx7 and the 350z etc. Hopefully the new Supra (or whatever they are going to call it) will be just that.

why?

krossfyter

Oct 29, 2003, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
why?

simply on the basis of variety and dynamics.

toyota can please all crowds if it wants. they have yet to please the testostorone, speed freaks recently. they have pleased those who care about the economy or want an economical car etc. they have been doing this for a while now. now they need to please the other side. im not vouching for gas gusslers or death pods im just saying that there is a whole market out there that wants the foreign muscle car.... these people buy the rx7, the 350z, the skyline etc. its been awhile since toyota has concerned itself with these types of cars. the last time was probably 97 when the supra was discountinued. they discontinued them because for one they werent selling anymore. this was due to the fact that suvs were on the rise and more people were after these types of vehicles as opposed to "fast" cars.

rt_brained

Oct 29, 2003, 03:21 AM

Originally posted by yamabushi
The 2004 Toyota Prius has an abundance of new technology built into it. The 2004 Toyota Prius also has a lot of ugly built into it.

rt_brained

Oct 29, 2003, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by Abstract
PS: The brakes on my father's Ford once failed on him while he was driving down a hill, and he almost died when driving towards a red light with cars passing through the intersection... Good to know that your Ford vs. Ferrari opinion is completely unbiased.

My mom had a hard time once negotiating the clutch on her Maranello as she left the valet in front of Saks. She almost died of embarrassment.

Originally posted by Vector
(referring to the BMW 125) Its nice, and probably drives great, but when you already have a nicer bmw it isnt as nice. Plus i do not like hatchbacks. Right. Just like BMW's are nice and probably drive great, but when you already have a nicer Aston Martin they aren't as nice. Plus, I don't like BMW's.

krossfyter

Oct 29, 2003, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by rt_brained
The 2004 Toyota Prius also has a lot of ugly built into it.

i completly agree. in my opinion another example of function over style.

just an opinion guys.

Doraemon

Oct 29, 2003, 06:00 AM

Possible Honda/Acura NSX replacement:

http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2003/tokyo/preview/honda-concepts/honda-hsc.html

medea

Oct 29, 2003, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by krossfyter
i completly agree. in my opinion another example of function over style.

just an opinion guys.
well that is certainly better than style over function.

tazo

Oct 29, 2003, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by Doraemon
Possible Honda/Acura NSX replacement:

http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2003/tokyo/preview/honda-concepts/honda-hsc.html

DAMN! That is one sexy beast of a car! I have always loved the Honda NSX :) very sweet car :)

cubist

Oct 29, 2003, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Prom1
... Problems, were fuel efficiency -much improved but maight be a concern when comparing say an Infinit G35 coupe. The oil seals, at the apex's of the Rotary need to stay oild at ALL time when running, so when the engine has been off for a while and starts up, that's when damage occurs. Until a few revolutions have been completed.

Great engine.

Every RX-7 owner I've talked to has said they love the car and the power. And every one is on at least his third engine.

krossfyter

Oct 29, 2003, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by medea
well that is certainly better than style over function.

give us both.

Prom1

Oct 29, 2003, 05:10 PM

Cubist were they street racing them with Nitrous?? If so we'll any engine will burnout soon; Wankels are not impervious but great engines - with so much untapped potential.Plus if Mazda ever stops making them well then Wankel Rotary will be a piece of automotive history.

Doraemon; man I don't know how you found that NSX replacement but by fluke I went to the mag shop took a look at a few mags and found a site; low and behold it looks like it'll not be a possible replacement for the NS-X but a REAL replacement. Here is a photo of a race prepped model.

MacMarino

Oct 29, 2003, 05:38 PM

I ve posted pics of the Tokyo motor show on my .mac homepage, please come and have a look ;)

http://homepage.mac.com/macmarino

macmarino:D

shadowfax

Oct 29, 2003, 05:49 PM

damn, those are some cute women--er, cars...

iGav

Oct 30, 2003, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by krossfyter
give us both.

Exactly... there is no reason why a product should not be a result of a juxtaposition of the two.

krossfyter

Nov 3, 2003, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by iGAV
Exactly... there is no reason why a product should not be a result of a juxtaposition of the two.

of course...
like i said give us both.

i hope that picture wasnt an example.

;)

iGav

Nov 3, 2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by krossfyter

i hope that picture wasnt an example.

;)

:eek: :p :p it was supposed to be... :p :p :p to prove that MPV's need not be bland and aesthetically challenged!!

Renault are really pushing the design envelope at the moment.... whether people like it or not they're certainly making a statement! ;)

galstaph

Nov 4, 2003, 06:27 PM

i sincerly hope BMW does something with this one. It's a damn fine looking car... the cs1

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/news/concept.car/bmw.cs1/bmw.cs1.f34.500.jpg

krossfyter

Nov 4, 2003, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by iGAV
:eek: :p :p it was supposed to be... :p :p :p to prove that MPV's need not be bland and aesthetically challenged!!

Renault are really pushing the design envelope at the moment.... whether people like it or not they're certainly making a statement! ;)

:D

well it certianly is futristic looking but man i just cant get into that go cart refrigirator box look you know what i mean? different strokes for different folks man. im sure the car designs i am attracted to you probably wouldnt like. different prefrences. the design is clean though.