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dynaflash
Dec 29, 2008, 09:20 PM
dynaflash,

I read the whole thread over at the Handbrake forum. Is your first post the recent version? I guess I'm asking is, if I follow your instructions in the first post, I should be good to go?

TIA.

Thats still what worked for me (twice now). biggest issue seems to be folks screwing up imaging their hdd's.



NachoTom
Mar 31, 2009, 09:56 AM
I posted this on the handbrake forum also...

Hi guys, I've been reading this mod with great interest and someone asked at one point why not just use a 2.5 inch to sata adapter.
So, I found one... Any thoughts as to if this would work? I like how the connector is at 90 degrees so the card will not stick up. Would this adapter remove the need for the cable, as well as the need for the 2.5 to 3.5 adapter?

If it works, would it fit inside the AppleTV and allow internal use of a 500gig 2.5inch SATA drive? :D

http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00854&cat_id=032&dept_id=015
http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_img/thumb/UADAP001800_01_M.jpg
http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_img/thumb/UADAP001800_02_M.jpg

dynaflash
Mar 31, 2009, 10:09 AM
see my reply there http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5999&start=50#p53428

NachoTom
Mar 31, 2009, 01:29 PM
I went ahead and ordered that adapter, should be here 7 to 20 days from HongKong. I'll post pics when I get it.

I guess this gives me plenty of time to get my 40 gig drive out and image it. This is by far the part I'm looking forward to the least. :eek:

I have an old 80gig 16mb cache 2.5inch drive I may just try to use as a test bed for the image while I wait just so I can perfect the whole image thing.

mcmurrayzoo
Apr 14, 2009, 10:29 PM
I have an appletv with a flashing question mark, is there anything I can do with out sending it in to apple? support says it can not locate the start up information on the hard drive, send it in for repair, I'd rather strip it down and increase the drive side but if this drive is fried were would I get the os for the apple tv on line??? please help:(

raymoreno
Jun 6, 2009, 04:16 PM
Hi -

Did the adapter from Hong Kong listed above fit and work?

I too am looking to get rid of the cable and fit it all in. That being said, I'd also be perfectly happy to use this and hook up an SATA - esata cable to it and plug in an external drive. This would avoid the problem of the original card being perpendicular to apple tv and placing the 44-40 pin cable that some folks are having a problem with.

Thanks

Ray

Cave Man
Jul 27, 2009, 02:36 PM
Now that WD has released (http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/27/wd-ships-industrys-first-2-5-inch-1tb-hard-drive/#continued) 750 gb and 1 TB 2.5" SATA drives, anyone up for another mod? It would be really great to have a self-contained 1 TB ATV.

dynaflash
Jul 27, 2009, 03:10 PM
hmm, 12.5 vs. 9.5 mm form factor may require spacers to get the bottom back on. Tight fit.

Cave Man
Jul 27, 2009, 03:17 PM
hmm, 12.5 vs. 9.5 mm form factor may require spacers to get the bottom back on. Tight fit.

That's why they make hammers. :D

dynaflash
Jul 27, 2009, 03:18 PM
lol. classic :)

Would like to see this done, but for my part way too many external sata's available and plus, I think cooling is a bit better with the hard drive not in the puny atv case. Nonetheless, someone (hint hint) should give it a go. :)

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 02:26 PM
Hey Cave Man:

I have a question about the PATA2SATA2 card you tried and deemed not working for some reason. Was it working when you only used one sata at a time? Reason i am asking is that if the PDF is correct for it, you set the jumpers so that sata1 is the only one that boots and if you wanted to use sata2 then set the jumper so that sata2 is the only one that boots. Is that what you already tried or did you try booting both sata's at the same time (setting the jumpers to master and slave)?

Thanks!

David

Cave Man
Aug 19, 2009, 02:27 PM
Yes, I tried it with only one drive, on both connectors and with all permutations of the jumpers. I could only get it to work if it was directly connected to the ATV's PATA bus. Put a ribbon between them and no worky.

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 02:34 PM
Yes, I tried it with only one drive, on both connectors and with all permutations of the jumpers. I could only get it to work if it was directly connected to the ATV's PATA bus. Put a ribbon between them and no worky.

Ha, ah ok. So did you end up just using this bridge? http://www.outletpc.com/c5573.html

David

Cave Man
Aug 19, 2009, 02:44 PM
Yes, that's the one I have but I don't think it's still in production. Dynaflash has a couple of links in his Handbrake Tiki Bar forum thread to compatible boards that are still made. Also, the thread in this forum detailing the 250 gb hard drive upgrade also has a board that is supposed to work.

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 02:55 PM
Yes, that's the one I have but I don't think it's still in production. Dynaflash has a couple of links in his Handbrake Tiki Bar forum thread to compatible boards that are still made. Also, the thread in this forum detailing the 250 gb hard drive upgrade also has a board that is supposed to work.

Yep i read his post over there. However, the part where he lists "44 pin hard drive extension cable ( NOT a standard laptop hdd cable)".. i don't think you ever said that it needed a special cable in order for it to work? So is he saying that a standard IDE 44 to 40 pin cable would not work?

Oh, and there are a lot of JM20330 on ebay that seem to be the same as the one that you posted about. http://cgi.ebay.com/New-JM20330-IDE-PATA-to-SATA-hard-drive-HDD-Adapter-B4B_W0QQitemZ220421512454QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Cables_Adapters?hash=item3352255d06&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

David

Cave Man
Aug 19, 2009, 02:59 PM
Dynaflash's original setup and my setup are exactly the same. You have to use the ribbon crossover cable.

That board could work - I just haven't tried it. There seem to be subtle differences.

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 03:10 PM
Dynaflash's original setup and my setup are exactly the same. You have to use the ribbon crossover cable.

That board could work - I just haven't tried it. There seem to be subtle differences.

Ah ok. Well i guess i have one more question... How can i make a backup of the HD without having a mac? I scanned and noticed that somewhere it said that i could use Linux to make the clone but it never gave directions on how to go about doing it. Do you know how to do it from windows? Or know of any links to tell?

Well it uses the same chipset as the one you are using.

David

Cave Man
Aug 19, 2009, 03:15 PM
I don't know how to do a backup other than on a Mac using dynaflash's ATVCloner app.

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 03:24 PM
I don't know how to do a backup other than on a Mac using dynaflash's ATVCloner app.

Alright, ill send him a message then and see if he can help out.

Also, would there be any way to take a pic of your crossed cable? Is it only pins 1&2 and 43&44 crossed?

David

dynaflash
Aug 19, 2009, 03:36 PM
No need for a pm. I have never done any atv drive work on windows. Only Mac.

There are pictures of both of our cables in both threads.

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 03:40 PM
No need for a pm. I have never done any atv drive work on windows. Only Mac.

There are pictures of both of our cables in both threads.

Hey thanks for reply to the post, dynaflash.

I did notice the pic here >
http://handbrake.dynaflashtech.net/atv_rex_pics/atv_layout3_600.png
But i was unable to determine if the only crossed were 1&2 and 43&44?

David

dynaflash
Aug 19, 2009, 03:43 PM
they are all crossed, row one becomes row two and vice versa. So 1 is 2, 3 is 4 .....

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 03:58 PM
they are all crossed, row one becomes row two and vice versa. So 1 is 2, 3 is 4 .....

Ah, ok. Well that's a pity that i have to buy a $18 dollar cable. Blah. :p

Wonder why it has to be crossed?

David

dynaflash
Aug 19, 2009, 04:17 PM
Wonder why it has to be crossed?
Well, as I explain in the HB forum thread http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5999&start=0

So we need to use a ribbon cable to get things laying flat so it can be crammed back into the atv case and closed up. The stock atv hdd cable *WILL NOT WORK*. Nor will any other hdd cable. Even though the ends have the same pin arrangement, ide hdd cables are paralleled in other words the two rows (top and bottom, depending on how you look at it) are reversed, the pata hdd's are pinned accordingly, our pata to sata bridge is not (since its meant to plug into the logic board). So you end up needing a 44 pin hdd extension cable http://www.cablesonline.net/644fetomaide.html which will maintain the correct pinout as the logic board has.

... and from the description of the cable above:

This Cable is used to extend 2.00mm, 44 pin Laptop Hard Drive cable.
It is also used for other Special Projects where the Pins are reversed.
(1,2)--(2,1), (3,4)--(4,3), (5,6)--(6,5), --------, (41,42)--(42,41), (43,44)--(44,43).

Since the card works fine attached directly to the logic board, we are just looking to "extend" that same pinout and at the same time give ourselves the flexibility the cable affords.

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 04:21 PM
Well, as I explain in the HB forum thread http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5999&start=0



... and from the description of the cable above:



Since the card works fine attached directly to the logic board, we are just looking to "extend" that same pinout and at the same time give ourselves the flexibility the cable affords.

Hum, if i read that correctly, if i were to make my own cable, wouldn't all i need to do is flip the connector 180 degrees (or upside down) then crimp it? Or would the pins still be in the same spot/order?

Cave Man
Aug 19, 2009, 04:29 PM
No, that wouldn't work. You'd have to swap each pair of lines.

dynaflash
Aug 19, 2009, 04:29 PM
Thats how I first did it as it says in this thread. Much easier to just order the right cable. Well, I mean I manually crossed all 44 individual cables, which totally sucked. Just map it out. Personally the $18 dollars is well worth it. Those wires are very small.

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 04:32 PM
Well alright. Looks like total cost so far is $17. ha.

Thanks for the help you 2. :)

David

dynaflash
Aug 19, 2009, 04:33 PM
Someone ought to buy a decent number of the part set and sell it as a kit. ;)

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 04:42 PM
Someone ought to buy a decent number of the part set and sell it as a kit. ;)

Well that's what i plan on doing in the long run. I have a Carving machine and plan on making a slightly bigger apple tv case to house a 3.5" sata HD in as well as have an external eSata plug in the back with everything else. May also upgrade the power plug to a computer PSU-style plug. Also will be programming a chip so that one button on the front will allow the user (via the LCD) to change sata ports from inside to external and to turn the apple tv off/on.

Just need to get all the parts that actually work and then go from there. Since the dual Sata card did not work for Cave Man, i guess i will solder another sata connector on top of the one already on the board and just turn the inside hard drive power off and switch when using the eSata. (and vis versa.)

But hey, I'm always opened to your input :)

David

dynaflash
Aug 19, 2009, 04:45 PM
If it were me I would get it working correctly first ;) But thats just me. :)

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 04:47 PM
If it were me I would get it working correctly first ;) But thats just me. :)

Correct but i wont be able to do that until i figure out how to clone the 2.5" HD and transfer it to a sata hd...

David

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 04:53 PM
dynaflash: Would you be willing to test out a few sata to pata converters if i sent them to you?

David

dynaflash
Aug 19, 2009, 06:15 PM
Not sure. The one cave and I are using works a treat. Just use that one.

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 06:18 PM
Not sure. The one cave and I are using works a treat. Just use that one.

Alright well could i send you my 2.5 HD and sata drive for you to make a clone for me? I do not have any friends or co workers who have a MAC so yeah,...

David

dynaflash
Aug 19, 2009, 06:22 PM
pm me

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 06:24 PM
pm me

Unable to do so, dynaflash. Doesn't have an option for you to be pm'ed.

David

dynaflash
Aug 19, 2009, 06:28 PM
dynaflashtech @ gmail dot com

StealthRT
Aug 19, 2009, 06:33 PM
dynaflashtech @ gmail dot com

K, sent you an email.

David

antz88c
Aug 19, 2009, 07:32 PM
I planned to change my ATV HD to 250GB PATA but its hard to look for one in my country, all i can see is 160GB. I have also made a backup of my ATV using dynaflash ATVCloner.

For the meantime, I just use an external drive attached to my ATV's USB port. I just installed SSH using atvusb-creator and done everything manually to enable USB support and pointed my Media Library to my external drive, so far so good. Of course nothing beats a real hardware upgrade, like you guys are doing.

Here's my setup:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3433/3837739429_4cdd9c68af.jpg

StealthRT
Sep 29, 2009, 09:33 PM
Ah, finally got around to getting a 3.5 1tb sata hard drive. I ordered a few IDE to sata adapters off of eBay to test out and Iím happy to say that out of the 4 I got, only one did not work... (And that one was the bi-directional one!)

Anyways, here is a listing that I got my IDE to sata adaptor: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300342322119&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

They also have a few other shops on eBay that are named differently because out of the 4 adaptors i bought, 3 came from the same address (though, different store names on eBay and one from Hong Kong.). And they confirmed with me that they have more than 1 store on eBay so pretty much you get the same product like I did, ha. But for $6.50 shipped in the US, I canít complain any.

Now onto making the housing to fit a 3.5" hard drive. Although Iím 99.99% sure i will have to make my own case for it, it should keep the same form factor. Maybe be a half inch longer on one side to accommodate the 3.5" hard drive.

I plan on doing the following:
- house a 3.5" hard drive
- have a 12v/5v circuit for the hard drive and adaptor.
- eSata external connector
- Front (or top) mounted LCD with a button to choose eSata, 3.5" hd, or turn off the apple tv.

I may also look into doing the RCA output hack as well if I can figure out a way to do it software wise.

Anyways, i hope to get some time to do all this but right now i have one more class (c++) that i need to pass in order to graduate so thats top priority :)

Feel free to post your ideas of what you would like to see the apple tv to do and ill see if I would be able to pull it off with my mods.

David

dynaflash
Sep 30, 2009, 12:06 PM
Feel free to post your ideas of what you would like to see the apple tv to do and ill see if I would be able to pull it off with my mods.

What exactly are you referring to ?

StealthRT
Sep 30, 2009, 01:54 PM
What exactly are you referring to ?

Meaning what kind of external mods would you like to see the apple tv to have. Since i will be designing the case, i can add ports in the back for other things like a better power plug socket, 12v external power for eSata drive, etc etc...

David

Kilamite
Oct 21, 2009, 11:16 AM
I'm a bit late to the game, great thread and great work to both CaveMan and DynaFlash.

I'm based in the UK, and the links you guys provided for the components...

- 6" 44-Pin Female to Male IDE Crossed Cable (http://www.cablesonline.net/644fetomaide.html)
- 2.5" Molded Laptop IDE Hard Drive Adapter (http://www.cablesonline.net/44pinto40pin.html)
- Syba IDE to Serial ATA Controller (http://www.outletpc.com/c5573.html)

...are all American companies and I couldn't find any shipping info on whether they can ship to the UK and how much.

Of course, I'd rather find UK suppliers - be cheaper and shipping will be quicker. I've tried Maplin (http://www.maplin.co.uk) and Dabs (http://www.dabs.com) but can't find those specific parts.

Obviously I'd want the Syba SATA controller, as CaveMan had trouble with another brand.

Cave Man
Oct 21, 2009, 11:23 AM
Obviously I'd want the Syba SATA controller, as CaveMan had trouble with another brand.

You might check dynaflash's link over at the Tiki Bar in the Handbrake forums. He's found a couple of other bridges that work as well.

As far as the cross over cable, that's the only one I've seen. Good luck on the hunt.

Kilamite
Oct 21, 2009, 11:50 AM
Does Syba still make that exact bridge? I can't find it on their website anymore.

I've searched through the HandBrake topic on this and can't find any other adapters that work.. am I blind? Or is it in a different topic in the Tiki bit?

Dabs does sell StarTech IDE to SATA (http://www.dabs.com/products/startech-com-ide-to-sata-adaptor-5D3P.html?q=SATA%20Hard%20Drive%20to%20IDE) adapter, but I think that is the one that didn't work for you.

Cave Man
Oct 21, 2009, 12:15 PM
Here's the link (http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5999) in the HB forums.

They may not make that part anymore. I've had mine for a year or two, so it could be out of production. The Startech did not work for me.

dynaflash
Oct 21, 2009, 12:35 PM
Note: I updated the original post with a link to atvcloner for imaging the drive. That way you don't have to read through four pages.

Kilamite
Oct 21, 2009, 06:08 PM
Here's the link (http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5999) in the HB forums.

They may not make that part anymore. I've had mine for a year or two, so it could be out of production. The Startech did not work for me.

Yeah, I'm struggling to find any that are SATA input and output to IDE.

Really don't want to waste my money on something that won't work, but as you know, a lot of this is trial and error with stuff.

http://www.homestead.co.uk/productcategorydetail.aspx?categoryid=55930

http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?TabID=1&criteria=usb&ModuleNo=222115&C=SO&U=Strat15

Would either of those do the trick?

Kilamite
Oct 22, 2009, 03:30 PM
Thankfully the company that makes the IDE cross cable and the 2.5" adapter ship to the UK and they will be arriving within the next 5 days.

Just need to find a SATA to PATA adapter that works. If my local Maplin store has that one in stock, then it shouldn't be too much hassle to get a refund if it doesn't work.

dynaflash - I'll use your atvcloner, thanks for making that. Next stage is to get a 1TB hard drive and eSATA enclosure.

StealthRT
Oct 23, 2009, 09:07 PM
Obviously I'd want the Syba SATA controller, as CaveMan had trouble with another brand.

I guess you did not read my post above when i said that the ones i got off eBay worked just fine at half the price.

Anyways, to save you more money-next time dont buy the IDE crossed cable, just get this $2.50 product: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?WT.z_header=search_go&lang=en&site=us&keywords=S5534-ND

David

Kilamite
Oct 24, 2009, 07:19 PM
I guess you did not read my post above when i said that the ones i got off eBay worked just fine at half the price.

Thanks for pointing that out - I had already ordered the parts however. Stupid Royal Mail strike in the UK is likely to mess up my order though.

The Syba SATA bridge is still available. I emailed them asking what the craic was, and they replied saying they have more coming in in 1-3 weeks and they do ship to the UK.

Guess it might take a while to get all the parts, but I'd rather have the exact same parts as suggested in this thread just for the sake that they have already troubleshooted those parts to death. Looking at 1TB hard drives and enclosures now.

Here, what's the story with powering the hard drive up first then the Apple TV? I have my TV, Apple TV etc all plugged into an extension lead and I power that off at the wall whenever the stuff isn't being used. So when I power that back on, I'll have to unplug the Apple TV then plug it back in again so the hard drive turns on first?

Kilamite
Nov 3, 2009, 11:18 AM
The IDE cable and IDE adapter arrived today. Just waiting on the SATA controller coming back in stock.

Just wondering - you guys are using eSATA to connect to your hard drives - does the Syba SATA adapter have an eSATA connection on it or is this an additional adapter?

dynaflash
Nov 3, 2009, 12:05 PM
The IDE cable and IDE adapter arrived today. Just waiting on the SATA controller coming back in stock.

Just wondering - you guys are using eSATA to connect to your hard drives - does the Syba SATA adapter have an eSATA connection on it or is this an additional adapter?

The syba and all other bridges afaik have a Sata end. You're external hdd will have an eSata socket. I just used a sata to esata cable. Just one piece. Quite common and can be had anywhere pretty much. fwiw, the eSata cable is just shielded better as it is intended for external use.

From the tutorial in the HandBrake Tiki Bar forum:

There is really no big deal to these cables except for two different style ends and eSATA cables are shielded better than SATA cables as they are intended for external use. Anyhow these are in plentiful supply. Here is an example of such a cable http://www.satagear.com/eSATA-100_SATA_Cable.html though its not the one I used.

Kilamite
Nov 3, 2009, 05:49 PM
Ah I see.

Hoping the Syba SATA controller is in stock soon - the hard drive and enclosure are on their way here. Just one missing piece before I can start having fun.

Dynaflash - if I use your ATVCloner, is it a pretty simple click start and let it do the work? There's nothing else to do/anything that could go wrong? Any reason to do the manual Terminal commands instead?

dynaflash
Nov 3, 2009, 09:40 PM
Dynaflash - if I use your ATVCloner, is it a pretty simple click start and let it do the work?
Depends on you're definition of the word simple. I think its quite a bit easier than the terminal commands, which is why I wrote it. But I will let others that have done it both ways answer that if they want.
There's nothing else to do/anything that could go wrong? Any reason to do the manual Terminal commands instead?
Sure, the power could go out or something. Something can always go wrong.
Have you read the guarantee on the website ? ;)

Seriously, you really have nothing to lose by trying it (conversely I have nothing to gain either). I mean if it hoses up the formatting for some unknown reason you can just reformat the disk with another method. You really aren't out anything.

rcjordin
Nov 11, 2009, 11:11 AM
Kilamite,

Dynaflash's ATVCloner is the best thing since sliced bread. I have used it on a number of occasions, just recently to prepare a 2TB drive for my ATV. Give it a shot if you haven't already.

Cave Man
Nov 29, 2009, 06:45 PM
Well, I think my Apple TV is on its last leg. It started having sparkles and sprites across the screen a couple of weeks ago. I thought it might have been part of the eSATA hack, but I reassembled it to its factory condition (40 gb drive) and the problem persists. I hope Apple comes up with a revision before it dies...

Hammie
Dec 9, 2009, 09:57 PM
Has anyone ever found a means to do the upgrade with a Windows Machine?

I do not have access to a Mac or Linux computer. :(

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Cave Man
Dec 9, 2009, 10:02 PM
Can you run OS X on your PC (emulation or hackintosh)? That's the only way I know of.

Hammie
Dec 9, 2009, 11:10 PM
Can you run OS X on your PC (emulation or hackintosh)? That's the only way I know of.

Not sure. I'll need to research that option.

Thanks for the idea.

turtle2472
Mar 9, 2010, 02:02 AM
So glad to have found this thread. I've read through the whole thing and have to say I'm impressed with the work. I currently run with a 250GB PATA internal on my TV but would love to run a SATA drive.

I'm wondering about giving up the wireless adapter and seeing if there's a mini-PCIe to SATA adapter out there. I've heard of people putting the HD decoder in there to give it 1080p capabilities, but it seems only a few hack could play it.

Cave Man
Sep 10, 2010, 08:48 PM
OK, I had a new crazy idea. I was thinking about the lack of PATA drives larger than 320 gb and while looking at the WD 320 gb PATA images on the web, I noticed that its controller board look just about the same as the board on my WD 750 gb SATA drive. So, I bought one and removed the controller boards. Sure enough, almost everything is the same - except for a couple of things, most notably the chassis. As you can see from the yellow boxes below, there's one chip on the boards that are in a different orientation. That appears to be necessary for accommodating the chassis, where on the 750 gb SATA drive there's an angled part of the chassis and on the 320 gb PATA drive it is horizontal. This prevents the PATA controller board from seating properly on the 750 gb drive, thus I cannot put the screws back in to fit the interconnect between the drive and the controller board. Bummer.

Any ideas? Is it possible to swap the drive chassis to put the 750 gb platters in the 320 gb drive controller? Anyone have a dead 2.5" drive who can take it apart to see if it's doable? If this controller can be made to fit the 750 gb drive, then we should be able to get even the 1 TB drive to fit in the Apple TV with a PATA interface.

magga
Sep 10, 2010, 09:40 PM
I would just try and file down that divider that's sticking up which would allow you to fit the controller board on. It's a bit risky though I guess!

richyscot1
Sep 11, 2010, 03:38 AM
Caveman, do you think this is how the chaps on eBay are performing the 1TB mod???

I'm in the market for an 'old' Apple TV, so I'm very tempted to buy one from them just to see how they're doing it...

Cave Man
Sep 11, 2010, 08:53 AM
It would be tough to know without taking it apart. I think it's worth an email to them considering it has to be a modification of the OEM.

basesloaded190
Sep 11, 2010, 02:30 PM
It would be tough to know without taking it apart. I think it's worth an email to them considering it has to be a modification of the OEM.

I too would like to know how they are doing theirs. Very tempted in purchasing the 750 gig upgrade for about $190. I would like to have everything i have right on the apple tv and not have to have my laptop on all the time. 320 gigs the normal way wouldn't give me all the room i would really like.

Cave Man
Sep 11, 2010, 04:48 PM
I just pulled my Apple TV's original 160 gb drive and it also is a WD. I removed its controller board and it's exactly the same as the 320 gb drive's controller. I wish there were an easy way to get it to mate with the 750 gb drive.

roidy
Sep 11, 2010, 06:29 PM
While I could be wrong here, I don't think what you're proposing to do by swapping driver boards will work. While the driver board may look and be exactly the same component wise the firmware loaded on to them will be different depending on the capacity of the disk. The firmware contains the geometry information for the disk including the number of platters, how many track are on the platters and so on. This information is needed so that when data is read/written to and from the disk the disk knows where to position the read heads and which platters to access.

Cave Man
Sep 11, 2010, 06:54 PM
Well, that's also a bummer. I guess there's not point in pursuing this further.

roidy
Sep 12, 2010, 03:51 AM
Like I said I could be wrong, but I would be very suprised if it did work. If you're brave enough to try it then I'd love to know if it works:D

nOw2
Sep 12, 2010, 04:29 AM
While the driver board may look and be exactly the same component wise the firmware loaded on to them will be different depending on the capacity of the disk. The firmware contains the geometry information for the disk including theI have previously swapped controller boards between same-model disks of different capacities without issues, so this may not be the case.

richyscot1
Sep 13, 2010, 01:21 PM
please please please....somebody try this.....It would be great to know if this is how they are doing it.

I emailed the eBay company, they just told me to buy the upgrade and they'll sort it all for me. Understandable, as they obviously know something everybody else doesn't!!

Cave Man
May 27, 2011, 09:44 AM
Well, I put in a 3 TB drive into my external enclosure to see if it would work my old Apple TV (that's experiencing overheating problems), but it doesn't. The enclosure's controller only sees 700 gb of the hard drive. I've emailed the company and they said its limit is 2 TB and there's no way to update it by firmware. Does anyone know of external enclosures that support 3 TB drives?

ubergeek72
May 2, 2012, 12:40 PM
I've gotten a miniPCIe SATA adapter working in my appleTV. The adapter is a BPlus PM362 (as shown here:http://www.mfactors.com/pm362-sata-to-mini-pcie-adapter/)

I have the AppleTV (original silver) talking to the SATA adapter, after copying the 10.4.8 (must be this version) IOPCIFamily.kext, IOAHCIFamily.kext and AppleAHCIPort.kext extensions into /system/library/extensions, and I've sorted out having those extensions loaded automatically at boot time from /etc/rc.local. (I should note that my AppleTV has FireCore's package installed.)

I finally got the new drive to mount reliably on /mnt/Scratch/Volumes (I didn't chose the mountpoint), and the first thing my AppleTV did was reach out over my home network to my desktop mac and begin syncing itself and pretending in all ways that it's a brand new first generation appletv. And sure enough, the media was getting dumped into the test drive.

My questions are:
1. Is this normal behavior? Has anyone else encountered this having more than one drive mounted to the ATV?

2. Is this behavior reliable? It's pretty much what I had in mind, because the hacking I have planned for the ATV include a bigger case, ATX power supply, and 3-4 TB drive hung on the SATA bus.If I can depend on the ATV to do this and not fall off the rails arbitrarily, I'm a lot further ahead in my hack than I thought.

3. What happens if there are /two/ extra drives? (My SATA bus has two ports).

4. Has anyone ever gotten an ATV to boot from a mini PCIe SATA interface? If so, how? Getting rid of the PATA drive would be nice.

Observations:
1. If I wanted any hope of closing the ATV in its original case, I'd need right-angle SATA cables. I would also need to hack a connection to the internal power supply to power the SATA drive, probably from the PATA interface connector. I'm planning a power supply upgrade and at least 1 3.5 inch drive, so this does not really apply to me.

2. Wipe the SATA drive you test with. I used an old drive out of my laptop that I'd not gotten around to erasing yet. It took me hours to figure out why the ATV Finder wouldn't start with the drive mounted.

3. You can get all the kexts you need from the 10.4.8 combo updater. Not 10.4.7, not 10.4.9, it must be 10.4.8 or the kexts will fail dependency checks at load time.

4.The AppleTV's 802.11n airport card is now happily pulling down the internets in my '06 mac mini. It's a standard airport card. So if your first gen AppleTV dies, be sure to harvest the wifi card out of it before sending it to the recycler.

Cave Man
May 2, 2012, 03:41 PM
I haven't done any of that, but I can tell you the maximum volume my SATA adapter can take is 2 gb. Does your controller have built-in RAID, such that you could strap two drives as a single volume?

If I understand you correctly, iTunes is syncing to the ATV in its default mode - putting the newest stuff on until it's full. You can manage that in iTunes by clicking on the ATV and setting the various options on the tabs.

ubergeek72
May 3, 2012, 03:31 AM
The controller is remarkably light on documentation, but strapping drives together into RAIDs wasn't listed in the feature list, so I'm assuming it won't do it. I suppose in theory one might drop the components from the 10.4.8 combo updater in and have the ATV do a software RAID, but it's one more thing for it to do, one more place to spend memory and CPU on an operation at playback time, so I'm reluctant to go that route.

Thanks for responding. It was your original PATA->SATA hack that inspired my hack.

kcterry
Sep 15, 2013, 03:31 AM
I've been thinking about getting a 1st gen Apple TV for a while to use with my 72" rear projection. It doesn't have HDMI or optical audio so the 720p and composite connectors are perfect, and I'm tired of putting stuff on the iPad and plugging it in with the av adapter: it's too much of a pain/I'm too lazy.

While looking at upgrading the hdd I came across this thread and a couple things sparked my memory:

I saw this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158276) some time ago. Basically what ubergeek was talking about, however the connectors are laying flat... and pointing in the wrong direction. But it does support basic raid levels and it's sata II. The biggest downside I see with something like this is the loss of your internal wifi because where I want to place mine wifi is definitely needed.

And Caveman, your esata mod made me think of the miniStack Max (http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ministack_max) and I was wondering if you had ever tried any external DVD drives and had any success.

Cave Man
Sep 15, 2013, 08:50 AM
I've not tried external DVD drives since the ATV doesn't see them. However, if you put XBMC on it, it might work. Dynaflash would be the best one to ask.

iPhil
Sep 15, 2013, 10:23 AM
I've been thinking about getting a 1st gen Apple TV for a while to use with my 72" rear projection. It doesn't have HDMI or optical audio so the 720p and composite connectors are perfect, and I'm tired of putting stuff on the iPad and plugging it in with the av adapter: it's too much of a pain/I'm too lazy.





I'm replying to the "lazy" part of your post: if you have an iPad2 and Apple tv 2 as minimum spec for Airplay then the "lazy" part is solved... :o

HDMI in to Component out (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1607388) with this product or something close then HDMI issue is solved for the 72" ..

kcterry
Sep 15, 2013, 12:43 PM
I've not tried external DVD drives since the ATV doesn't see them. However, if you put XBMC on it, it might work. Dynaflash would be the best one to ask.

Sorry I should have extrapolated a bit on my first post. I saw ubergeeks first post:

I have the AppleTV (original silver) talking to the SATA adapter, after copying the 10.4.8 (must be this version) IOPCIFamily.kext, IOAHCIFamily.kext and AppleAHCIPort.kext extensions into /system/library/extensions, and I've sorted out having those extensions loaded automatically at boot time from /etc/rc.local.

And I guess my real question should have been did you try adding kexts to support a DVD drive like he did a sata controller, but your response effectively answered that question as well I suppose.
Not going to mess around with XBMC. I like my software as vanilla as possible.

I'm replying to the "lazy" part of your post: if you have an iPad2 and Apple tv 2 as minimum spec for Airplay then the "lazy" part is solved... :o

HDMI in to Component out (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1607388) with this product or something close then HDMI issue is solved for the 72" ..

Only an iPad 1 Phil. Moot point really: I want to avoid putting stuff on the iPad, and I have everything contained on a file server with the exception of my music which is on a 4tb in my desktop. Regardless, I can and would Airplay from other places, and I have a 3rd gen I can do that to. Whenever I originally looked all it seemed I could find were HDMI to component and then I was having trouble finding a digital to analog audio. It might have been that I was trying to use the DVI port on it which doesn't support audio, so I was looking specifically for an audio converter and wasn't finding anything around town (I swear, I might as well live in the boonies for all the computer stores we have. It is ridiculously aggravating) and didn't want to bother ordering something at the time. I honestly don't remember. But I kind of want to avoid adapters like that. It's just one more thing I would have to mess around with and find a spot to plug in ect. ect. I like a clean and streamlined installation. Plus I can honestly say I like the mini sized tv design better than the tiny footprint of the 2nd and 3rd gen. I don't know why, it just seems TOO small to me.