Linkin Park Plays... No Apple Event in February?

[MacRumors]

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Linkin Park played (http://www.thedailyswarm.com/swarm/linkin-park-played-apple-soho-store/) at the Apple Soho store tonight, fulfilling the rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/19/linkin-park-to-participate-in-upcoming-new-york-apple-event/) "secret" Apple show. The six song set was recorded for a future iTunes release.

As we approach the end of February, however, the absense of press invitations to any special Apple event makes the rumored Apple event (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/07/apple-event-in-last-week-of-february/) increasingly unlikely. Apple typically gives media at least one week warning for events. Indeed, the original rumor (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/07/apple-event-in-last-week-of-february/) was spotty at best -- a non-traditional rumor site with "unconfirmed" information.

Regardless, Apple has been on a roll with weekly Tuesday announcements since Macworld. Apple's self-imposed February 2008 iPhone Software Development Kit (SDK) deadline rapidly approaching, so we should expect a release or, at the least, an announcement of delay.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/21/linkin-park-plays-no-apple-event-in-february/)

[BlueScreenX]

<----- wants an update MBP to come out next tuesday......

[Prof.]

Awwww... no Apple event? I am sad:(

I wanted to see some updates.:(

[bayol05]

Wow, this news is pretty disappointing, as I was hoping for some crazy cool super secret event. BUT oh well. This either means that the SDK announcement will not be at an event (which seems different for apple) or it is going to be delayed. Nonetheless, we need our Penryn MacBook Pros, so......next tuesday, quiet speed bump?

[Full of Win]

I DEMAND to know what this has to do with the update of the MBP!

[ts1973]

Regardless, Apple has been on a roll with weekly Tuesday announcements since Macworld

Sorry, don't agree : Apple got the easy stuff out of the way the last couple of weeks, time for the serious product updates. The weekly tuesday stuff of late is just another form of Apple advertisement, so they can claim "look what we've done :rolleyes:", but bringing very little to the Mac user.

So where are those Macbook Pro's :D ;)

[deathshrub]

Indeed, the original rumor (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/07/apple-event-in-last-week-of-february/) was spotty at best -- a non-traditional rumor site with "unconfirmed" information.

Yet it was still posted here.

[arn]

Yet it was still posted here.

Some sites have enough readership that when they post a rumor like this, it gets around enough that I feel obligated to post it (with qualification), since it's "out there". But if it does turn out to be not true, this will reflect poorly on their future reports.

arn

[thechidz]

major updates to mbp just arent coming until june, I'm telling you... sure there will be a quiet penryn bump but the case redesign and big montevina jump will be june

[bayol05]

I DEMAND to know what this has to do with the update of the MBP!

Ok pushy sir...If there was to be an apple event, say to announce the iPhone SDK, most people would think that if there is going to be a somewhat moderate update to the MacBook Pros (which is long overdue and rumored to be "imminent") than it would take place at this event, as opposed to a quiet update on their website on some upcoming tuesday. So people were thinking an event was going to happen, thus a new MBP update. A lot of people are dying for these MBPs, so any kind of event or tuesday seems worth obsessing over. There, your demand has been fulfilled.

[dawnraid]

MBP now!!!! lol im getting a bit sick of all the rumor "teasing", maybe next teusday???

[MacFly123]

I think we will either see invitations to an event or announcement of a delay by this Friday.

[tothelimit]

i figured this would be the case with the "secret linkin park thing" ... i couldn't see any connection with a musical act like that and the release of new hardware and/or the sdk. it just didn't make any sense.

[ReanimationLP]

Question.

Where did they cram Linkin Park in a store? Is the SoHo store that big? :confused:

I mean, yeah, its 200 people, but that still seems like a bit.

[TheSpecialist]

Im expecting a delay of the SDK:eek:

[Prof.]

Yet it was still posted here.
This site is called "MacRumors" not "MacFacts". Not everything that is posted on this site is guaranteed to be 100% accurate.:rolleyes:

[durant0s]

<----- wants an update MBP to come out next tuesday......

ditto

[dextertangocci]

I wish I were there:(

[ltldrummerboy]

TUAW will file this under "bad apple". I don't think the recent Shuffle price drop will keep stock prices from falling if this turns out to be true. Maybe SuperSteve will fly down and save the day. Boom!

[rino.summer]

I guess,SDK will come as a XCode update or a download for ADC members.
Then no event is necessary.
And MBP is not promised on February:-)

[Shagrat]

<----- wants an update MBP to come out next tuesday......

This is now assuming the tediousness of the Great "G5 Macbook Next Tuesday" threads of yore...

And when a revision to the Macbook Pro finally DOES come out, then these pages will be filled with post after post saying "Lame...Apple Sux..why do you do this to me Apple, I've had enough, I'm going to buy a Dell/HP...I'm going to go Vista/XP.." etc.

Meh.

[joefinan]

And MBP is not promised on February:-)

Is it 'promised' at all?

[Appler]

Sorry, don't agree : Apple got the easy stuff out of the way the last couple of weeks, time for the serious product updates. The weekly tuesday stuff of late is just another form of Apple advertisement, so they can claim "look what we've done :rolleyes:", but bringing very little to the Mac user.

So where are those Macbook Pro's :D ;)

I believe "Announcements" was the key term here, not releases, not upgrades. Yes, they were not enough to simply satisfy eager Apple fans, but nonetheless, they HAVE been on a roll. And remember, they still have a few products to deliver by the end of February, like the Time Capsule?

[Appler]

Question.

Where did they cram Linkin Park in a store? Is the SoHo store that big? :confused:

I mean, yeah, its 200 people, but that still seems like a bit.

Yes...it's huge. 3 stories, with each floor pretty spacious.

[RoDe]

I say quad core MBP's in April. And until than no updates what so ever.

I know this is a little of topic, but I really want a new and really improved MBP.

[ReanimationLP]

I say quad core MBP's in April. And until than no updates what so ever.

I know this is a little of topic, but I really want a new and really improved MBP.

Except...

There is no mobile Core 2 Quad out until May at the earliest.

And thats a Core 2 Extreme, so its going to have a huge price tag.

[dante@sisna.com]

This is now assuming the tediousness of the Great "G5 Macbook Next Tuesday" threads of yore...

And when a revision to the Macbook Pro finally DOES come out, then these pages will be filled with post after post saying "Lame...Apple Sux..why do you do this to me Apple, I've had enough, I'm going to buy a Dell/HP...I'm going to go Vista/XP.." etc.

Meh.

Times Two.

[7even]

Oh, that works. Well if nothing comes out next tuesday I'll probably get *some* laptop..

[Project]

This is now assuming the tediousness of the Great "G5 Macbook Next Tuesday" threads of yore...

And when a revision to the Macbook Pro finally DOES come out, then these pages will be filled with post after post saying "Lame...Apple Sux..why do you do this to me Apple, I've had enough, I'm going to buy a Dell/HP...I'm going to go Vista/XP.." etc.

Meh.

perfectly put.

Unless its a new form factor I never quite understand the clamour for Mac "updates". An extra 0.2Ghz of processing power and a slightly better graphics card and maybe 20 extra gigs in the base model. Wow.

[juanm]

I know the rules, but since this article is on Page 1, I consider it important: it's "absence" not "absense".
;)

[BrianFD3S]

I guess I'm a bit disappointed, but I'm still hopeful of a Quad-Core MBP before I go to Uni in October..

Edit: Whoops, should have read the post above mine before saying absence* =P

[Mackan]

So most likely iPhone SDK next tuesday. And MacBook Pro later in March?

[Stuart in Oz]

This is now assuming the tediousness of the Great "G5 Macbook Next Tuesday" threads of yore...

LMAO! Spot on Shagrat!

There really is nothing new under the sun.

[ikir]

This is now assuming the tediousness of the Great "G5 Macbook Next Tuesday" threads of yore...

And when a revision to the Macbook Pro finally DOES come out, then these pages will be filled with post after post saying "Lame...Apple Sux..why do you do this to me Apple, I've had enough, I'm going to buy a Dell/HP...I'm going to go Vista/XP.." etc.

Meh.

Ah ah lol. You are right, Apple comunity is becoming lame.

[cfanyc]

Yes...it's huge. 3 stories, with each floor pretty spacious.

actually its not. the soho store is very small and two floors. the chelsea and midtown stores are larger.

[jonnos]

follow intel roadmap ;)

there are no quad core mobile procs until 3rd quarter of this year. and it is also going to be a extreme processor which is unlikely to be put in the macbook pro. i say sometime in 2009 mobile quad cores will be mainstream.

[I Am Designer™]

What exactly are you hoping to get in those updates?... It seems every recent Apple announcement gets hijacked by people crowing over what's missing... As if their individual needs should be paramount to Apple's release roadmap and business strategy.

Is it faster processors? more memory? bigger hard drives? etc etc... Even if those things come I fear you're still going to be fairly disappointed. The reason being - the form factor might stay as it is. Look at the current Apple portable designs (bar the 'air') - they are iconic designs, little has changed since the release of the Titanium Powerbook. In almost 7 years we've only seen small teaks to that form - which is utterly iconic. A 7 year old design, with only minor tweaks to its form - is still the best looking portable on the market, no other manufacturer has anything so simple or elegant.

So what's the natural progression for any new design? I think the 'air' points the way, less moving parts (i.e no latches etc), further miniaturization and a very simple streamlining of the design. Of course none of this takes into account actual soft/hardware functionality (multi touch trackpads etc) because it's a given those things will come and, as with other Apple innovations, we will instantly take them for granted simply because they are so well integrated...

I think Apple are setting up their portables for a form factor change - taking their current design and adding more of a natural feel to it, the 'air' doesn't feel 'manufactured' or 'mechanical' - in the same way the ipod doesn't, or the iphone - or even the way we all interact and use Apple software. Its classic Apple - they release something that looks and feels like it's a natural experience; tactile and instantly accessible.

So rather than wanting to force these things through - and demanding Apple have a stricter agenda of releases (that would potentially be detrimental to overall design - turning innovation of engineering and design into a conveyor belt of rushed and over saturated releases), why not trust that what Apple have right now is a fantastic line up of integrated products - and what they have around the corner, will always build on that for the better.

[ert3]

on the note of them not sending press invites. What if they only sent invites to the big name press like wired or c-net.

[AWShuttleworth]

(Sorry, ignore this post)

[Shagrat]

(Sorry, ignore this post)

Sorry, what did you say???

[Stuart in Oz]

What exactly are you hoping to get in those updates?... It seems every recent Apple announcement gets hijacked by people crowing over what's missing... As if their individual needs should be paramount to Apple's release roadmap and business strategy.

Well, personally, just some slight improvements will do me but I know what you mean. There are more than a few posters around the forum 'demanding' all the features of a full fledged Mac Pro in their new MBP for 70% of the current price - oh, and a new design that is only slightly bigger than the MBA to boot. Talk about self delusion. :rolleyes:

Perhaps a fair call would be more video memory and larger standard HDD sizes.

VRAM for two reasons. (1) is that more people are going to get into HD video editing now that most home camcorders on sale in Best Buy or wherever are HD models and (2) some people will probably want to run boot camp on their MBP's just to play the hottest PC games, most of which really want 512MB VRAM now. The 8600 video card is still not a bad card and higher VRAM levels would see it through in the range until all the major chipset changes due in the second half of this year.

Larger HDD sizes because (1) again, more people are starting to muck around with home made HD video and (2) a lot of people are starting to build up quite big Podcast and other legit downloaded video libraries. I have over 40 episodes of Diggnation plus weekly episodes of several local TV shows from here in Australia on my iTunes podcast library. You add four hours a week of video (even in standard quicktime config, let alone the new Quicktime HD podcasts) to your iTunes library and pretty soon 160GB doesn't look so big!

[Shagrat]

This is now assuming the tediousness of the Great "G5 Macbook Next Tuesday" threads of yore...

And when a revision to the Macbook Pro finally DOES come out, then these pages will be filled with post after post saying "Lame...Apple Sux..why do you do this to me Apple, I've had enough, I'm going to buy a Dell/HP...I'm going to go Vista/XP.." etc.

Meh.

And of course, what I ACTUALLy meant was...

"This is now assuming the tediousness of the Great "G5 POWERbook Next Tuesday" threads of yore..."

Guess there's no substitute for proof reading, eh?

[Sky Blue]

Yay! What do I win?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4997049#post4997049

[Digitalclips]

Yet it was still posted here.

This is a blog that makes money from advertising last time I checked.

[kornyboy]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A93 Safari/419.3)

I'm a bit disappointed, but maybe the SDK will be released without an event.

[BrianFD3S]

Sorry, what did you say???

Probably that Arn had misspelt absence.

[eastcoastsurfer]

Move along, nothing to see here.

Apple is desperately hoping everyone will forget about the SDK and remember that web apps/widgets can do everything...

[krye]

I DEMAND to know what this has to do with the update of the MBP!

I DEMAND to know what this had to do with anything? I mean, a band doing an unannounced midnight show for nothing? What's up?

[krye]

Yay! What do I win?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4997049#post4997049

You so called it! Got anymore inside information?

[Digital Skunk]

Hopefully the iPhone SDK gets delayed, the iPhone users have been getting too much play these past few months. Apple still makes computers and they still need to update their Mac Mini and MacBook Pros before the middle of March, so the Apple engineers better get working on that, and the new case design that it's gonna have before they work on software that should have been out for the phone since the beginning.

And that new redesigned MacBook Pro had better earn the name "PRO" by including some sweet hardware to go along with the sweet software that Apple has.

Well, personally, just some slight improvements will do me but I know what you mean. There are more than a few posters around the forum 'demanding' all the features of a full fledged Mac Pro in their new MBP for 70% of the current price - oh, and a new design that is only slightly bigger than the MBA to boot. Talk about self delusion. :rolleyes:

Perhaps a fair call would be more video memory and larger standard HDD sizes.

VRAM for two reasons. (1) is that more people are going to get into HD video editing now that most home camcorders on sale in Best Buy or wherever are HD models and (2) some people will probably want to run boot camp on their MBP's just to play the hottest PC games, most of which really want 512MB VRAM now. The 8600 video card is still not a bad card and higher VRAM levels would see it through in the range until all the major chipset changes due in the second half of this year.

Larger HDD sizes because (1) again, more people are starting to muck around with home made HD video and (2) a lot of people are starting to build up quite big Podcast and other legit downloaded video libraries. I have over 40 episodes of Diggnation plus weekly episodes of several local TV shows from here in Australia on my iTunes podcast library. You add four hours a week of video (even in standard quicktime config, let alone the new Quicktime HD podcasts) to your iTunes library and pretty soon 160GB doesn't look so big!

Not that I personally want a MBA sized 17" book. I could stand for the book being larger so they can put a Dual 2.8 GHz chip inside, 3G, three FW ports, HDMI, dual HDDs on the 17" and maybe even an extra useless USB port so that us road warrior/on the move never at home pros don't have to worry about running out of useable hardware.

[usingpond]

I don't mean to carry over the discussion from the last thread, but I for one am glad that Apple is not incorporating Linkin Park into their image after all.



Whew, that was a close one.

[villanova329]

It's funny how you noobs always have to turn every topic into a "Where's My MacBook Pro" thread...

Seriously, go buy yourself a Dell if you want Penryn so bad. But if you don't want a Dell, just shut up already and wait. Go buy the system you need already, or do you already have your "but it doesn't have what I need" excuse ready?


... really now? 4GB of RAM, 2.6gHz Core 2 Duo, 1920x1200, up to 250GB optional hard drive isn't enough for you? If it isn't, then get a damn Mac Pro and stop thinking you can edit on the road if you need that much power.

[krye]

What exactly are you hoping to get in those updates?... It seems every recent Apple announcement gets hijacked by people crowing over what's missing... As if their individual needs should be paramount to Apple's release roadmap and business strategy.

Is it faster processors? more memory? bigger hard drives? etc etc... Even if those things come I fear you're still going to be fairly disappointed. The reason being - the form factor might stay as it is. Look at the current Apple portable designs (bar the 'air') - they are iconic designs, little has changed since the release of the Titanium Powerbook. In almost 7 years we've only seen small teaks to that form - which is utterly iconic. A 7 year old design, with only minor tweaks to its form - is still the best looking portable on the market, no other manufacturer has anything so simple or elegant.

So what's the natural progression for any new design? I think the 'air' points the way, less moving parts (i.e no latches etc), further miniaturization and a very simple streamlining of the design. Of course none of this takes into account actual soft/hardware functionality (multi touch trackpads etc) because it's a given those things will come and, as with other Apple innovations, we will instantly take them for granted simply because they are so well integrated...

I think Apple are setting up their portables for a form factor change - taking their current design and adding more of a natural feel to it, the 'air' doesn't feel 'manufactured' or 'mechanical' - in the same way the ipod doesn't, or the iphone - or even the way we all interact and use Apple software. Its classic Apple - they release something that looks and feels like it's a natural experience; tactile and instantly accessible.

So rather than wanting to force these things through - and demanding Apple have a stricter agenda of releases (that would potentially be detrimental to overall design - turning innovation of engineering and design into a conveyor belt of rushed and over saturated releases), why not trust that what Apple have right now is a fantastic line up of integrated products - and what they have around the corner, will always build on that for the better.

Well put. Well done.

[TheSpaz]

I really really really hope there's no delay!!!

[krye]

It's funny how you noobs always have to turn every topic into a "Where's My MacBook Pro" thread...

Seriously, go buy yourself a Dell if you want Penryn so bad. But if you don't want a Dell, just shut up already and wait. Go buy the system you need already, or do you already have your "but it doesn't have what I need" excuse ready?


... really now? 4GB of RAM, 2.6gHz Core 2 Duo, 1920x1200, up to 250GB optional hard drive isn't enough for you? If it isn't, then get a damn Mac Pro and stop thinking you can edit on the road if you need that much power.

I'm getting so tired of people asking about the MBP. What's worse is when it does come they're going to bitch that it isn't what they have been dreaming about and that it doesn't live up to the all hype, speculation and rumor mongerring. And it will somehow be Apple's fault.

[villanova329]

I'm getting so tired of people asking about the MBP. What's worse is when it does come they're going to bitch that it isn't what they have been dreaming about and that it doesn't live up to the all hype, speculation and rumor mongerring. And it will somehow be Apple's fault.

Thank you! I sold my MacBook Pro and am enjoying the wonders of my new MacBook Air, and once the new MBP's hit, maybe i'll get one. But it'll be so sweet buying one after a big surprise, while the rest of you weirdos buy one just to placate your hostility towards Apple.

[aLoC]

Why are Apple spending organizing music gigs? They need to take a breath and refocus on what they do best.

[eastcoastsurfer]

Hopefully the iPhone SDK gets delayed, the iPhone users have been getting too much play these past few months. Apple still makes computers and they still need to update their Mac Mini and MacBook Pros before the middle of March, so the Apple engineers better get working on that, and the new case design that it's gonna have before they work on software that should have been out for the phone since the beginning.

And that new redesigned MacBook Pro had better earn the name "PRO" by including some sweet hardware to go along with the sweet software that Apple has.



Not that I personally want a MBA sized 17" book. I could stand for the book being larger so they can put a Dual 2.8 GHz chip inside, 3G, three FW ports, HDMI, dual HDDs on the 17" and maybe even an extra useless USB port so that us road warrior/on the move never at home pros don't have to worry about running out of useable hardware.

Hahaha, there is a reason Apple dropped 'Computer' from their name awhile back. They want to be in consumer electronics (iPhones, iPods, MBA - which is just a bigger iPhone). They want out of the true computer business. See the lack of updates to their pro line and the recent dropping of the xsan.

[akadmon]

Yes...it's huge. 3 stories, with each floor pretty spacious.

Wow, what do they need this much space for? I mean, is it really necessary to have 30 MBs and 250 iPhones lined in a row? Most of the time all I see at Apple stores are groups of pimply faced teenagers goofing off with photo booth and flipping iPhones from portrait to landscape. What a frogging waste.

[notnek]

I just want the SDK already.

[EagerDragon]

As expected. The SDK is not sexy or would have been understood by common folks. A MacBook PRO or iMac or Mac Mini capabilities / speed bumb does not need an event either.

I beleive there will be an Apple news posted on Apple site about the SDK, but thats about it.

Now March may have some surprices for us.

[ChrisK018]

I can't wait to not get this Likin Park recording.

[bytethese]

Probably that Arn had misspelt absence.

Misspelled? I don't know how you can miss-'grain' something. :)

[bytethese]

Wow, what do they need this much space for? I mean, is it really necessary to have 30 MBs and 250 iPhones lined in a row? Most of the time all I see at Apple stores are groups of pimply faced teenagers goofing off with photo booth and flipping iPhones from portrait to landscape. What a frogging waste.

We have 3 apples stores in a 2mi radius! SoHo, 5th Ave (24hr) and now one on 14th and 9th. Lotsa fanboi's here I guess. :)

[MacGeek Pro]

Even though I am leaning towards thinking that Apple will delay the SDK, I would like to point out even though Apple generally releases on Tuesdays, with the big items in which a deadline has been self-imposed, they tend to release on the last day of the month.

So, they could invite press tomorrow for an event on Feb. 29th.

But my money is on Apple delaying the SDK. They have become fond of doing that.

[statc]

It's funny how you noobs always have to turn every topic into a "Where's My MacBook Pro" thread...

Seriously, go buy yourself a Dell if you want Penryn so bad. But if you don't want a Dell, just shut up already and wait. Go buy the system you need already, or do you already have your "but it doesn't have what I need" excuse ready?


... really now? 4GB of RAM, 2.6gHz Core 2 Duo, 1920x1200, up to 250GB optional hard drive isn't enough for you? If it isn't, then get a damn Mac Pro and stop thinking you can edit on the road if you need that much power.

It's not so much that I need the extra power, it's that I want hardware that warrants the current price. I've been waiting for a while to make the switch, and as it stands if I was to buy a macbook pro right now, I'd be paying the same price as I would have last July for the same hardware. Now I don't know about the rest of you but I'm a CS/Multimedia student and while I accept paying the apple "premium" for not having to write my own drivers to run OSX on an ASUS or DELL XPS, I'm not going to accept spending as much as a kawasaki on 8 month old hardware.

With the way the MBP keeps being delayed, it might actually starting to make sense for me to brush up on my C skills and get cracking away at those drivers.

[Shagrat]

Misspelled? I don't know how you can miss-'grain' something. :)

Er from the Oxford University press...

mis•spell /msspel/ verb (mis•spelled, mis•spelled) or (mis•spelt, mis•spelt /msspelt/) [vn] to spell a word wrongly
mis•spell•ing noun [C, U]

[Bubba Satori]

Hahaha, there is a reason Apple dropped 'Computer' from their name awhile back. They want to be in consumer electronics (iPhones, iPods, MBA - which is just a bigger iPhone). They want out of the true computer business. See the lack of updates to their pro line and the recent dropping of the xsan.


We have a winnah.

[meagain]

I'm getting so tired of people asking about the MBP. What's worse is when it does come they're going to bitch that it isn't what they have been dreaming about and that it doesn't live up to the all hype, speculation and rumor mongerring. And it will somehow be Apple's fault.

No Kidding! And what's even worse, with EACH announcement - they have to piss on the announcement. Or take it out on the MacBook Air. It's flat out wierd. I'm starting to hate these MBP owners. Watch, when the SDK is announced and posted here - the MBP peeps will slam it with negative ratings (just cuz) and clutter up the thread with their whineing.

[lazyrighteye]

This whole LIVE thing could get really interesting...

I have visions of streaming live concerts to :apple:TV and having friends over for the show... as opposed to going to a venue, parking, paying $12 for Bud Light and hanging out with hundreds of tool boxes...
I think there's something there.

Or... concerts that able to reach a larger audience as opposed to a few thousand a show.

Rambling...

[Digital Skunk]

Hahaha, there is a reason Apple dropped 'Computer' from their name awhile back. They want to be in consumer electronics (iPhones, iPods, MBA - which is just a bigger iPhone). They want out of the true computer business. See the lack of updates to their pro line and the recent dropping of the xsan.

Tell me about it. They dropped the Xserve RAID by the way. I hope they don't drop the MacBook Pro anytime soon, then there would be a serious crisis in the creative pro world.

[Hooka]

It's funny how you noobs always have to turn every topic into a "Where's My MacBook Pro" thread...

Seriously, go buy yourself a Dell if you want Penryn so bad. But if you don't want a Dell, just shut up already and wait. Go buy the system you need already, or do you already have your "but it doesn't have what I need" excuse ready?


... really now? 4GB of RAM, 2.6gHz Core 2 Duo, 1920x1200, up to 250GB optional hard drive isn't enough for you? If it isn't, then get a damn Mac Pro and stop thinking you can edit on the road if you need that much power.

Thank god someone else is from planet earth.

You all are like a rabid pack of wild chipmunks. MBP MBP......where is my MBP. lol.

[BrianFD3S]

Misspelled? I don't know how you can miss-'grain' something. :)

I'm Irish, therefore I use UK-English, not US-English. Misspelt is correct.

However, if you're a grammar pedant, could you perhaps explain to me the use of the semicolon? It has always confused me.

[Hooka]

It's not so much that I need the extra power, it's that I want hardware that warrants the current price. I've been waiting for a while to make the switch, and as it stands if I was to buy a macbook pro right now, I'd be paying the same price as I would have last July for the same hardware. Now I don't know about the rest of you but I'm a CS/Multimedia student and while I accept paying the apple "premium" for not having to write my own drivers to run OSX on an ASUS or DELL XPS, I'm not going to accept spending as much as a kawasaki on 8 month old hardware.

With the way the MBP keeps being delayed, it might actually starting to make sense for me to brush up on my C skills and get cracking away at those drivers.

then I guess you are just going to have to wait.
Welcome to the wonderful world of apple. You know what the best thing is it that once you have a MBP like I do, you could give a crap about updates. Because with every update you're like, that's cool, and then you go back to using your 2 or 3 year old MBP and it works just fine. :):):)

[FasterQuieter]

People who like Macs like Linkin Park? This is a very disappointing revelation.

[wayland1985]

the only reason I'm holding my wallet for the MBP is I would love to see if a bluray disc is offered.

Also, a more pixel dense screen is something I'm looking for.

I don't know what the Peryn really adds, and if it would even be noticable to me (I'm lookin at getting the 2.6ghz).

I've played with the cool track pad of the macbook air, but I don't see how it would be useful for me.

[kddpop]

This whole LIVE thing could get really interesting...

I have visions of streaming live concerts to :apple:TV and having friends over for the show... as opposed to going to a venue, parking, paying $12 for Bud Light and hanging out with hundreds of tool boxes...
I think there's something there.

Or... concerts that able to reach a larger audience as opposed to a few thousand a show.

Rambling...

now this, I like. I would definately spring for an aTV if I could "go to" live shoes with a group of friends. Killer! Am I (are we) alone on this???

[pine1045]

<----- wants an update MBP to come out next tuesday......


AMEN!!!! I almost wrecked my G4 Powerbook in a fit of "you're too @!%$-ing slow" rage last night.

[BrianFD3S]

now this, I like. I would definately spring for an aTV if I could "go to" live shoes with a group of friends. Killer! Am I (are we) alone on this???

Wow that's awesome. In the same way that I very much feel that I'm in Springfield when I watch The Simpsons, I can really see watching a concert on TV being just as good as being there.

[justflie]

Well this certainly wasn't what I was expecting... I didn't read the whole thread; does anyone know who was at this "private" shindig?

[Digital Skunk]

People who like Macs like Linkin Park? This is a very disappointing revelation.

Why would someone comment on one band being good or not if I am sure that the band/music/genre they themselves listen to isn't that good to someone else anyway.

Not that i care.... LP's last album wasn't as good as their others save for a few songs.

Whether you like them or not, Linkin Park is a band that has a unique and artistic voice.
They are instantly recognizable on the radio and have a huge following.

Exactly.... it's like the Jay-Z thing all over again isn't?

[megfilmworks]

Whether you like them or not, Linkin Park is a band that has a unique and artistic voice.
They are instantly recognizable on the radio and have a huge following.

[kddpop]

Wow that's awesome. In the same way that I very much feel that I'm in Springfield when I watch The Simpsons, I can really see watching a concert on TV being just as good as being there.

if one were to have a nice big flat screen, good surround sound and lots of friends and adult beverages, it could be a very fun evening.

no, not quite like being there. one would miss out on the yelling to your friends standing next to you, the sweaty strangers rubbing against you, the parking costs, the overpriced/watered down liquor, sticky floors made so by god-knows-what....yeah, i would sure miss being there.

granted, there are some shows that i would (and do) put up with the aforementioned stuff to experience the "real deal." but it sure would be nice to be able to see some shows without all that crap. plus, there are some tours that don't come near certain locations. it would be a way for folks from smaller cities to see some of the bigger tours. and it would also give a wider audience for some smaller tours that can't afford to make it to every city.

again, not a replacement for a live show. but a "sometimes" alternative.

[pkoch1]

now this, I like. I would definately spring for an aTV if I could "go to" live shoes with a group of friends. Killer! Am I (are we) alone on this???

This whole LIVE thing could get really interesting...

I have visions of streaming live concerts to :apple:TV and having friends over for the show... as opposed to going to a venue, parking, paying $12 for Bud Light and hanging out with hundreds of tool boxes...
I think there's something there.

Or... concerts that able to reach a larger audience as opposed to a few thousand a show.

Rambling...

Maybe someday they will record these concerts and sell them on VHS so I can watch them whenever I want! I hear you can pause and rewind too! Do you think it will be in color or no?

;)

[lazyrighteye]

People who like Macs like Linkin Park? This is a very disappointing revelation.

+1
I can't think of a lamer 'band' to kick off a cool, new concept.
OK. I can actually think of a lot of lamer bands. But just barely.

[happydude]

This site is called "MacRumors" not "MacFacts". Not everything that is posted on this site is guaranteed to be 100% accurate.:rolleyes:

you'd think that was painfully obvious given the name of the site . . . and constant efforts by arn and team to explain "hey we run a 'rumors' site, people" . . . and the fact that apple is probably the most tight-lipped corporation outside the defense and arms industry . . .

[Pooba]

I think its a way for Apple and Linkin Park to sell the Apple store show on itunes.

[odj310388]

Ugh I've been waiting for a new MBP to come out for ages now. :( I love that Apple have made 'the worlds smallest laptop' but its nowhere near as powerful as I need get those MBP's out!

[pine1045]

It's not so much that I need the extra power, it's that I want hardware that warrants the current price. I've been waiting for a while to make the switch, and as it stands if I was to buy a macbook pro right now, I'd be paying the same price as I would have last July for the same hardware. Now I don't know about the rest of you but I'm a CS/Multimedia student and while I accept paying the apple "premium" for not having to write my own drivers to run OSX on an ASUS or DELL XPS, I'm not going to accept spending as much as a kawasaki on 8 month old hardware.

With the way the MBP keeps being delayed, it might actually starting to make sense for me to brush up on my C skills and get cracking away at those drivers.

You have a very good point which I think is an underlying reason many of us have for wanting the new MBP's. We're paying current prices for last year's technology. It's a complete rip off. Apple should at least lower the prices if they're going to make us wait til summer. It's just a kick in the teeth and fuels the argument that apple computers are far more expensive than their pc counterparts. Computer components drop in price quickly and drastically. Sure you're also getting an amazing OS, but parts are parts and this is especially true with the switch to Intel.

The anger doesn't come from a feeling of being owed, it comes from a feeling of being screwed. And some people will complain the change isn't enough, that happens with ALL technology, but we should see something and hopefully soon.

I don't know why everyone wants an iPhone SDK event. All the SDK is for is for developers to create apps. It doesn't mean an instant release of apps and games for the iPhone. Those will still take a few months. And Apple could easily release a quiet penryn MBP on a Tuesday. They changed the processors and a lot of configuration on the Mac Pro's in a quiet release the first week of January.

[TheSpecialist]

You sir, are completely right!

I don't know why everyone wants an iPhone SDK event. All the SDK is for is for developers to create apps. It doesn't mean an instant release of apps and games for the iPhone. Those will still take a few months. And Apple could easily release a quiet penryn MBP on a Tuesday. They changed the processors and a lot of configuration on the Mac Pro's in a quiet release the first week of January.

[villanova329]

You have a very good point which I think is an underlying reason many of us have for wanting the new MBP's. We're paying current prices for last year's technology. It's a complete rip off. Apple should at least lower the prices if they're going to make us wait til summer. It's just a kick in the teeth and fuels the argument that apple computers are far more expensive than their pc counterparts. Computer components drop in price quickly and drastically. Sure you're also getting an amazing OS, but parts are parts and this is especially true with the switch to Intel.

The anger doesn't come from a feeling of being owed, it comes from a feeling of being screwed. And some people will complain the change isn't enough, that happens with ALL technology, but we should see something and hopefully soon.

I don't know why everyone wants an iPhone SDK event. All the SDK is for is for developers to create apps. It doesn't mean an instant release of apps and games for the iPhone. Those will still take a few months. And Apple could easily release a quiet penryn MBP on a Tuesday. They changed the processors and a lot of configuration on the Mac Pro's in a quiet release the first week of January.

Actually, it will only be a matter of days to release applications. Apps are already out there and all the developers have to do is convert them to Apple's SDK so we won't need to jailbreak in order to install them. And its already known that Apple has already gathered a few developing teams, even those know for jailbreak apps, and have given them the go to make apps so we can have some on launch day. Its just amazing how this device is one year old and it has barely reached it'd potential, when was the last time people were so excited about Palm and Pocket PC SOFTWARE updates.

[bytethese]

Er from the Oxford University press...

mis•spell /msspel/ verb (mis•spelled, mis•spelled) or (mis•spelt, mis•spelt /msspelt/) [vn] to spell a word wrongly
mis•spell•ing noun [C, U]

Er, from Merriam Webster:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misspelt

"The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.
Suggestions for misspelt:"

:)

[bytethese]

I'm Irish, therefore I use UK-English, not US-English. Misspelt is correct.

However, if you're a grammar pedant, could you perhaps explain to me the use of the semicolon? It has always confused me.

Heh, the irony of "I'm Irish, therefore I use UK-English" amuses me. :) I've just noticed that one a lot in some posts ob various sites lately is all, I'm no 'grammar pedant'. :)

[bytethese]

now this, I like. I would definately spring for an aTV if I could "go to" live shoes with a group of friends. Killer! Am I (are we) alone on this???

Wow. I agree! I'm seriously debating on getting an :apple:TV. Having the ability to invite some people over to watch a live stream of a concert would be awesome. Perhaps even with teh ability to purchase the audio/video from the performance? Hmm...

[twoodcc]

come on Apple, please no more delays....

[kddpop]

Wow. I agree! I'm seriously debating on getting an :apple:TV. Having the ability to invite some people over to watch a live stream of a concert would be awesome. Perhaps even with teh ability to purchase the audio/video from the performance? Hmm...

yup...one fee for the live stream. and another fee to download and keep the audio/video (discounted if you have paid the stream fee).

just what i was thinkin.

[Antares]

Once Apple does update the MBP's, there are going to be a lot of complaints on this site and negative votes. "Lame update." "I waited for this?" .....That's a given...and I'll be shocked if it turns out otherwise. Why does Apple need to have an "event" to update a product, anyway?

This Linkin Park event was a good thing, regardless of what some people think of the band. It adds something unique to iTunes. I hope they do more similar things in the future.

[BrianFD3S]

Er, from Merriam Webster:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misspelt

"The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.
Suggestions for misspelt:"

:)

Mirriam-webster is American.

Just drop it guys =P

[blimeyoriley]

looks like about half the people posting on these forums are waiting for a MBP update.

well, i'm one of them.

hopefully there Will be an update, and there Will be an event next week, despite the Linkin Park performance.

hopefully, these Will coincide.

so to all those complaing about MBP posters on "irrelevant" threads ....

SSHHHHHH

every announcement, no matter how small, can and will be made relevant to the release of the next MBPs.

so get used to it, or stop reading MacRumors.

RUMORS.

[AppleMojo]

It's funny how you noobs always have to turn every topic into a "Where's My MacBook Pro" thread...

... really now? 4GB of RAM, 2.6gHz Core 2 Duo, 1920x1200, up to 250GB optional hard drive isn't enough for you? If it isn't, then get a damn Mac Pro and stop thinking you can edit on the road if you need that much power.

My thoughts exactly.

Like children getting themselves all worked up, they feed each other and make it worse.

[pine1045]

It's funny how you noobs always have to turn every topic into a "Where's My MacBook Pro" thread...

Seriously, go buy yourself a Dell if you want Penryn so bad. But if you don't want a Dell, just shut up already and wait. Go buy the system you need already, or do you already have your "but it doesn't have what I need" excuse ready?


... really now? 4GB of RAM, 2.6gHz Core 2 Duo, 1920x1200, up to 250GB optional hard drive isn't enough for you? If it isn't, then get a damn Mac Pro and stop thinking you can edit on the road if you need that much power.

Wow, "noobs." Ridiculous...

The specs aren't the problem, it's the cost for the specs. For the same price the offer should be greater. Apple used to be at the forefront of innovation. Not having a penryn processor when everyone else does is sad. We've come to expect a lot from Apple because they have typically delivered. As consumers we're supposed to be critical of a company that many of us kept afloat while they were going through their troubled spots. And even those looking to make a switch are allowed to have high expectations. Apple isn't asking people to just switch computers; they're asking people to make an entire paradigm shift into a completely different computing environment which is based heavily upon brand loyalty.

Apple hasn't lived up to the expectations it has set for itself. Diversification is a wonderful thing but not when you forget there are other people still using the staple devices. Granted we can't have an iPhone every 6 months nor should we expect it, but a lot of people are being left out in the cold here and there's nothing wrong with them complaining about it. And yes people are still gonna say, "it doesn't have what I need." Do you have the perfect technological device that solves every function and every spec someone needs or wants? Complaining is far better than saying, "It's Apple and I love them no matter what."

[rezonat0r]

The last two MBP updates have been silent. There's no reason to think that an "event" will have anything to do with new MBPs. Those that do are wanting big major updates (redesigns, etc) and will surely be disappointed.

[pine1045]

The last two MBP updates have been silent. There's no reason to think that an "event" will have anything to do with new MBPs. Those that do are wanting big major updates (redesigns, etc) and will surely be disappointed.


You're right. What did the mac pro get silently: new processors and new gfx cards. Anything else? I'd be content with both and only those in new MBPs. High screen res could be silent too and LED for the 17", but a whole redesign will be a disappointment if you're looking for it soon.

[rezonat0r]

High screen res could be silent too and LED for the 17", but a whole redesign will be a disappointment if you're looking for it soon.

Agreed, but I would add that waiting for a 17" LED is also going to disappoint - there are no other 17" notebooks shipping, or even announced, with LED screens.

[chr1s60]

I am starting to think that the SDK is going to be pushed back a few weeks. In the meantime, it would be nice if the new MBP's would be released.

[villanova329]

Wow, "noobs." Ridiculous...

The specs aren't the problem, it's the cost for the specs. For the same price the offer should be greater. Apple used to be at the forefront of innovation. Not having a penryn processor when everyone else does is sad. We've come to expect a lot from Apple because they have typically delivered. As consumers we're supposed to be critical of a company that many of us kept afloat while they were going through their troubled spots. And even those looking to make a switch are allowed to have high expectations. Apple isn't asking people to just switch computers; they're asking people to make an entire paradigm shift into a completely different computing environment which is based heavily upon brand loyalty.

Apple hasn't lived up to the expectations it has set for itself. Diversification is a wonderful thing but not when you forget there are other people still using the staple devices. Granted we can't have an iPhone every 6 months nor should we expect it, but a lot of people are being left out in the cold here and there's nothing wrong with them complaining about it. And yes people are still gonna say, "it doesn't have what I need." Do you have the perfect technological device that solves every function and every spec someone needs or wants? Complaining is far better than saying, "It's Apple and I love them no matter what."

Being with Apple is paying with a premium. It's the same thing as anyone who buys a BMW or a rolex watch, why must you buy it if you can get something cheaper and has the same functionality? Apple has not set any expectations for themselves, its those that let themselves get suckered into a cult like state-of-mind that makes them think they need to crank out so many new products at one time. I don't know what expectations you're talking about but from the looks of things Apple is doing what they said they would always verbally, they don't always adopt the hardcore people's standards. Apple has the power to not always have to jump onto every processor that comes out or every technology that comes out just so it can always stay current: i.e - they have not release any HD format support or option for their systems, they could have slapped a Kentsfield processor into an iMac or Mac Mini but they didn't. And the reason why they dont need to update all the time immediately is because they have done a great job of suckering people into their marketing that any update that they spit out, people will jump on... why?... because its Apple!

You don't need to say you love Apple and whatever they do you have to love it, but you have to admit that they met their EXPECTATIONS and suckered everyone into their hype. Look at MacRumors, if you noticed there was a big jump in membership January 2007 and June 2007... why? because of the iPhone. Apple made no promises to always spit out new machines whenever a processor comes out... its YOU GUYS who set those expectations of Apple, and when Apple doesn't provide, you guys feel burnt.

I don't hear of people saying man rolex needs to update their product line or BMW needs to update their 3 and 5 series, because they know the company will always pull through because they know when to make the jump to new technologies and designs.

I SAY NOOB because most newbies who moan and bitch about lack of updates from Apple are people who come from backgrounds where they're spoiled with updates that absolutely unnecessary just because a new component came out. Just because its out, dont expect Apple to adopt it, and I'm not surprised if Apple skips out on Penryn and waits for Montevista or Centrino 2.

NOOB.

[cnote678]

Once Apple does update the MBP's, there are going to be a lot of complaints on this site and negative votes. "Lame update." "I waited for this?" .....That's a given...and I'll be shocked if it turns out otherwise. Why does Apple need to have an "event" to update a product, anyway?

Obviously the new MBP isn't going to be the perfect thing in everyone's minds, but it will be this if nothing else: modern hardware at the same price. Current models are essentially a rip-off, as has been exhaustively discussed on here and another hundred forums. So, even if it doesn't have Blu-Ray and advanced multitouch and FW3200, it will still be more modern than the current version. Apple, let us have it.

[pine1045]

Being with Apple is paying with a premium. It's the same thing as anyone who buys a BMW or a rolex watch, why must you buy it if you can get something cheaper and has the same functionality? Apple has not set any expectations for themselves, its those that let themselves get suckered into a cult like state-of-mind that makes them think they need to crank out so many new products at one time. I don't know what expectations you're talking about but from the looks of things Apple is doing what they said they would always verbally, they don't always adopt the hardcore people's standards. Apple has the power to not always have to jump onto every processor that comes out or every technology that comes out just so it can always stay current: i.e - they have not release any HD format support or option for their systems, they could have slapped a Kentsfield processor into an iMac or Mac Mini but they didn't. And the reason why they dont need to update all the time immediately is because they have done a great job of suckering people into their marketing that any update that they spit out, people will jump on... why?... because its Apple!

You don't need to say you love Apple and whatever they do you have to love it, but you have to admit that they met their EXPECTATIONS and suckered everyone into their hype. Look at MacRumors, if you noticed there was a big jump in membership January 2007 and June 2007... why? because of the iPhone. Apple made no promises to always spit out new machines whenever a processor comes out... its YOU GUYS who set those expectations of Apple, and when Apple doesn't provide, you guys feel burnt.

I don't hear of people saying man rolex needs to update their product line or BMW needs to update their 3 and 5 series, because they know the company will always pull through because they know when to make the jump to new technologies and designs.

I SAY NOOB because most newbies who moan and bitch about lack of updates from Apple are people who come from backgrounds where they're spoiled with updates that absolutely unnecessary just because a new component came out. Just because its out, dont expect Apple to adopt it, and I'm not surprised if Apple skips out on Penryn and waits for Montevista or Centrino 2.

NOOB.

"Noob" is just a childish "leet" (an no I will not spell it with 3's 7's and whatever & sign you use) term that I find childish and discredits what most people have to say. Unless you're 15, get off it.

Comparing to BMW and Rolex? I don't know what computer you think you're using and in what high regard you hold yours in but mine isn't graced with a gloss coat of turtle wax. Apple is a computer manufacturer and technology company and as it diversifies and gains market share will be more and more subject to above and justified criticism. They're not limited edition models nor are the logic boards autographed anymore. This is technology, which is constantly evolving and companies in that field should be expected to keep up and evolve.

And I said above people shouldn't expect an iPhone every six months. It was a revolutionary device at its announcement as was the iMac, and the current notebook line dating back to the G3's. But now, they're just notebooks, with PC parts that update all the time. Not having more updates doesn't fit the diversification model Apple is surely adopting. This isn't the days of the PowerPC anymore where the chip release was years apart. This is Intel. Apple computers are PC's with an Apple OS now. Blasphemy, I know.

And it's not just us that set expectations. Look what happened to Apple's stock right after Macworld, 220 to 121 at the moment of me writing this. Shareholders are upset too. So it's more than us "hard core" people noticing something is amiss. And yes, the whole stock market is taking a beating, but much of the loss is a direct relation to the lackluster Macworld. So according to you even people who own a piece of the company shouldn't have any right to be upset when Apple isn't delivering?

And you're arguing my case about Apple suckering people in. And now people are upset about it and now you're telling them they have no right to do so. It's ridiculous. People are NOT asking for a new iPhone. Theyy're asking for a processor upgrade to a notebook that hasn't seen an update since last June (I don't wanna hear it about the option to add 2.6GHz and a 250GB HD because anyone will point out that is not an actual update to the system) for the same exact price. Even Rolex and BMW drop the price of their cars over time if you want to use your car/watch reference.

When MS Office 2008 was mentioned at Macworld, Steve Jobs made a stab of it being the last Apple product to make the 64bit switch. It's a little hypocritical when Apple is the last to adopt a new processor because even if they wait for Montevina in the summer, they won't be the first to use it if they're relying on some event for the announcement.

To even begin to argue a tech company is absolved from keeping up with technology because they are said company is asinine and it's those people who make that claim are the true suckers.

[blimeyoriley]

stop arguing,

and start contributing rumors or .. something

here, ill start you off:

steve jobs has a new haircut. its a mohawk.

[villanova329]

"Noob" is just a childish "leet" (an no I will not spell it with 3's 7's and whatever & sign you use) term that I find childish and discredits what most people have to say. Unless you're 15, get off it.

Comparing to BMW and Rolex? I don't know what computer you think you're using and in what high regard you hold yours in but mine isn't graced with a gloss coat of turtle wax. Apple is a computer manufacturer and technology company and as it diversifies and gains market share will be more and more subject to above and justified criticism. They're not limited edition models nor are the logic boards autographed anymore. This is technology, which is constantly evolving and companies in that field should be expected to keep up and evolve.

And I said above people shouldn't expect an iPhone every six months. It was a revolutionary device at its announcement as was the iMac, and the current notebook line dating back to the G3's. But now, they're just notebooks, with PC parts that update all the time. Not having more updates doesn't fit the diversification model Apple is surely adopting. This isn't the days of the PowerPC anymore where the chip release was years apart. This is Intel. Apple computers are PC's with an Apple OS now. Blasphemy, I know.

And it's not just us that set expectations. Look what happened to Apple's stock right after Macworld, 220 to 121 at the moment of me writing this. Shareholders are upset too. So it's more than us "hard core" people noticing something is amiss. And yes, the whole stock market is taking a beating, but much of the loss is a direct relation to the lackluster Macworld. So according to you even people who own a piece of the company shouldn't have any right to be upset when Apple isn't delivering?

And you're arguing my case about Apple suckering people in. And now people are upset about it and now you're telling them they have no right to do so. It's ridiculous. People are NOT asking for a new iPhone. Theyy're asking for a processor upgrade to a notebook that hasn't seen an update since last June (I don't wanna hear it about the option to add 2.6GHz and a 250GB HD because anyone will point out that is not an actual update to the system) for the same exact price. Even Rolex and BMW drop the price of their cars over time if you want to use your car/watch reference.

When MS Office 2008 was mentioned at Macworld, Steve Jobs made a stab of it being the last Apple product to make the 64bit switch. It's a little hypocritical when Apple is the last to adopt a new processor because even if they wait for Montevina in the summer, they won't be the first to use it if they're relying on some event for the announcement.

To even begin to argue a tech company is absolved from keeping up with technology because they are said company is asinine and it's those people who make that claim are the true suckers.

Oh yeah? Well your mom sells cigarettes to 5th graders:)

Nice point, good day to you!

[pine1045]

stop arguing,

and start contributing rumors or .. something

here, ill start you off:

steve jobs has a new haircut. its a mohawk.

Steve Jobs uses Firefox

[Fast Shadow]

At least the MBP emos have new Linkin Park songs to listen to while they cry. Crawwwling in my skiinnnn.

[sonstone]

I agree with pine. You can't really expect people to buy a MBP at the current price. If they lowered the price, then I think that villanova329 would have more of a point. The reality is that new adopters are going to balk at the price of the current MBP.

As an example, I am ready to buy a new laptop. At this point, I can do my work on both OSX or WinXP and be just as productive in each environment. I'd "like" to look at something different than XP, but I can't justify spending close to 3 grand for a lappy when I can get a more up-to-date model from Dell for just under 2 grand. I'm willing to pay a bit more, but that's just ridiculous. Granted, I am just one case but I have a hard time believing that I am an anomaly.

[Bubba Satori]

I agree with pine. You can't really expect people to buy a MBP at the current price. If they lowered the price, then I think that villanova329 would have more of a point. The reality is that new adopters are going to balk at the price of the current MBP.

As an example, I am ready to buy a new laptop. At this point, I can do my work on both OSX or WinXP and be just as productive in each environment. I'd "like" to look at something different than XP, but I can't justify spending close to 3 grand for a lappy when I can get a more up-to-date model from Dell for just under 2 grand. I'm willing to pay a bit more, but that's just ridiculous. Granted, I am just one case but I have a hard time believing that I am an anomaly.

No, you're not. I'm in the same boat. I'm going to give it another month. I'd rather have a MBP, but I'm not going to pay a huge OSX tax for an old model when all the PC builders have the latest cpus, video cards and largest hard drives for hundreds less.