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SwiftLives
Feb 22, 2008, 07:27 AM
I spent about 2 days carefully designing my resumé in InDesign. It's actually part of an overall identity package that ties in with my business card and my website. So naturally, it's saved as a PDF since I want to be able to retain a little bit of control over the fonts that people see on their screen.

Of course, this place where I'm applying wants it as a Word file.

Word does not give me the control I desire. (I admit - I have control issues over my identity package.)

Can I place a PDF into a Word file? Will I need to send both files or does Word embed the PDF? Or is there another way to do this that will retain the visual identity I want the company to see?



LeviG
Feb 22, 2008, 07:45 AM
I know that the full adobe acrobat (atleast on windows) can export to word, doesn't always come out too well but it may be worth a shot.

Not sure of any other route except producing it in word - maybe consider a jpeg picture as the whole file :)

Personally I can't see any reason why a company specifically wants a word format, pdf is a universal format.

xUKHCx
Feb 22, 2008, 07:49 AM
You can insert pdfs into word.

Might be a little different as I am at a PC at the moment.

Insert - Object - Create from File

You will have to play around with it a bt when you get it in the document as it scales it to fit the page.

It will act as a giant picture bascially and it really beefs up the size of the document. And only displays the front page.

You could just use exported jpgs and insert them, that will probably cut down on the size of te document.

Le Big Mac
Feb 22, 2008, 10:14 AM
Personally I can't see any reason why a company specifically wants a word format, pdf is a universal format.

+1. I've encountered this as well, and it makes no sense. I can understand specifying Word over some other word processor (Wordperfect) or text file. But if you can use Word, you can open a pdf.

tuxtpenguin
Feb 22, 2008, 10:25 AM
I have run into this before too. A company only accepts Word formatted resumes...

creator2456
Feb 22, 2008, 10:40 AM
Personally I can't see any reason why a company specifically wants a word format, pdf is a universal format.

Might be they are just trying to see if people can follow directions.?

BoyBach
Feb 22, 2008, 10:41 AM
Word (.doc) is the worldwide industry standard.

Lot's of employers / recruiters have software that 'scans' documents for key words.

Why would you want to retain control over your "image package"? It's what's on the resume / CV that matters and not what it looks like.

newappleboy
Feb 22, 2008, 10:42 AM
Might be they are just trying to see if people can follow directions.?

One of the other reasons is the ability to remove information. I know at my company when contractors have their resumes submitted to us from agencies, the names and contact info are removed for further anonymity - this is difficult to do in all PDFs since some are able to be editted and some are not. I too have my resume in PDF format, but I always keep a current .doc file as well for just such a reason.

IgnatiusTheKing
Feb 22, 2008, 10:48 AM
One of the other reasons is the ability to remove information. I know at my company when contractors have their resumes submitted to us from agencies, the names and contact info are removed for further anonymity - this is difficult to do in all PDFs since some are able to be editted and some are not. I too have my resume in PDF format, but I always keep a current .doc file as well for just such a reason.

What he said. A lot of places, especially bigger corporations that have whole HR departments, have software that extracts the information from Word docs and inputs it into their system. It doesn't work with a PDF. If you submit a Word doc that is just an otherwise empty file with a PDF embedded, you probably won't even get a call.

That being said, when I was looking for a design job last year, I didn't get many hits with my Word-based resume, but as soon as I redid it, more graphically, in InDesign, I got a lot more hits and ultimately got a great job at a small company.

newappleboy
Feb 22, 2008, 10:51 AM
That being said, when I was looking for a design job last year, I didn't get many hits with my Word-based resume, but as soon as I redid it, more graphically, in InDesign, I got a lot more hits and ultimately got a great job.

Agreed. Word seems to inspire people to rely heavily on their template, and as someone who used to be very close to someone in HR, he would always talk about how boring it is to look through the exact same style resume after resume. If you catch their eye, they'll be more willing to look over your qualifications. It's sad but true - pretty works. :rolleyes:

wordmunger
Feb 22, 2008, 11:09 AM
If you want the job, follow their instructions. Otherwise your resume will be thrown in the trash. Circumventing the requirement by putting a PDF in the Word file will only accelerate your resume's journey to the wastebasket.

BoyBach
Feb 22, 2008, 11:09 AM
...he would always talk about how boring it is to look through the exact same style resume after resume...

Working in HR and complaining of looking through resumes? Methinks that he's in the wrong job! ;)

SwiftLives
Feb 22, 2008, 02:22 PM
Why would you want to retain control over your "image package"? It's what's on the resume / CV that matters and not what it looks like.


Word is a clunky program which does not allow me the flexibility I require to present my resume as I want to present it.

Graphic design is one of the few professions where one is judged not only by the content of the resumé, but also the design.

Anyway, I talked to the recruiter today and was told that a PDF would be fine.

Bullet dodged.

Blue Velvet
Feb 23, 2008, 05:06 AM
Word is a clunky program which does not allow me the flexibility I require to present my resume as I want to present it.


How you wish to present something is not necessarily compatible with the wishes of those doing the hiring; a power-dynamic that may be prudent to reflect on now and then. ;)

Simple answer is: keep a Word version on hand just in case. Some agencies I've been in touch with recently don't even want an attached file, they want all the info in the body of a plain-text email... no doubt preferring to concentrate on the content rather than the presentation.

Having control issues as a designer isn't necessarily helpful in all cases, especially when dealing with clients or hirers.

AlexisV
Feb 23, 2008, 06:53 AM
Why would you want to retain control over your "image package"? It's what's on the resume / CV that matters and not what it looks like.

Yep, I'd really impress them if I wrote it by hand.

If your CV doesn't look like you've put any effort into it, why should you put any effort into the job?

Every CV should be clean, attractive and easy to read. A graphic design CV should another notch or two up from what the general population can come up with.

Eraserhead
Feb 23, 2008, 08:14 AM
You could ask to send it as a PDF, though if they want a Word .doc file, then you should try and send that.

I think I'd prefer to accept a PDF as it will definitely have the same formatting as the person sending the file. Though I should point out that I'm not currently working so won't be hiring anyone for a while.

Topher15
Feb 23, 2008, 09:25 PM
Word is a clunky program which does not allow me the flexibility I require to present my resume as I want to present it.

Graphic design is one of the few professions where one is judged not only by the content of the resumé, but also the design.
Is it designed/presented as it is on your web site? To be honest I find the background underneath the body of text to be distracting and hard to read - I had to move closer to the screen to see it - especially since you're headings and the background image are the same colour.

ezekielrage_99
Feb 24, 2008, 06:35 PM
I have 2 CVs:

1) A PDF
2) A Word version

Personally it works for me both have the same information but it gives me the choice to give the employer what they need/want.

Most brand/design agencies will prefer a PDF while job seeking in my personal experience want Word documents. If you have both a PDF and Word version of your CV you can't go wrong.

And good luck on the job hunt and interviews.

tgildred
Feb 24, 2008, 08:16 PM
How you wish to present something is not necessarily compatible with the wishes of those doing the hiring; a power-dynamic that may be prudent to reflect on now and then. ;)

Simple answer is: keep a Word version on hand just in case. Some agencies I've been in touch with recently don't even want an attached file, they want all the info in the body of a plain-text email... no doubt preferring to concentrate on the content rather than the presentation.

Having control issues as a designer isn't necessarily helpful in all cases, especially when dealing with clients or hirers.

It's give and take. A a designer I feel that the design of the document I'm presenting says a lot about me---though admittedly not as much as the content. And the industry I'm in values, or should value, the aesthetic you bring to the table. A plain old Word document doesn't showcase this. Personally, if a job description I'm initially interested in goes on to request a Word-only resume, than I nearly always pass it over. But then I've already got a good job and can afford to be a bit of a design-snob! :) It's the same reason I pass over anything that requires Windows/PC experience only. ;)

(but I do keep a Word-ready version around just in case---you need to have a full tool-belt in this business, honestly)

tgildred
Feb 24, 2008, 08:20 PM
I really like your Web site by the way.

JE-Illustration
Feb 25, 2008, 06:24 PM
As another poster said, I used Adobe Acrobat Professional to export it as a word document. The only time I needed this though was for like Careerbuilder.com cause they stopped accepting .pdf's. :mad:

Also when I changed my resume from reading the book 48 Days To the Work You Love, I started getting 2nd interviews and such. I would say my interviews doubled. But that was probably cause of my own faults with my old resume. Check and check your spelling and any mistakes. After a few months go back and check it again... you'll be amazed at the typos in there... i think for awhile my street address was off by one number lol.

kitki83
Feb 26, 2008, 12:36 PM
I usually do is make my resume in word. Work on it till I am happy and its easy to register the information. Then drop it InDesign and begin a more creative approach. Both will have similar styles/content but one is more generic for being word format while the other is more creative. Thats how I resolve my problem with that. Plus I recommend a third format word doc an e mailable or when posting in Careerbuilder or Monster, basically removed all the tabs and work on spacing.

Blue Velvet
Feb 26, 2008, 03:29 PM
And the industry I'm in values, or should value, the aesthetic you bring to the table. A plain old Word document doesn't showcase this.


Depends on where you want to work. In a large organisation, top-sifting of a first pile of CVs might be done by someone in HR who's looking to match person specifications... they might want a Word document for reasons of their own and if you can knock together something half-decent in Word, it shows you know how to design with whatever tools you have to hand.

By all means, design a CV that looks nice. But if you can't or won't give a potential employer what they want, it means you can't follow a brief. ;)

ChrisA
Feb 26, 2008, 04:42 PM
+1. I've encountered this as well, and it makes no sense. I... if you can use Word, you can open a pdf.

No. What you ment is "if I can use Word, I can open a pdf."
Do not under estimate the level of technical incompetence of the typical "HR Person".

Or on the other hand their process may be very sophisticatd. many times what they do is run the incomming resume through some software that hunts for "buzz words" and score it based on the number of hits. Or maybe the resumes go into a Google Appliance where they can then do full text searches. This software may be written such that it can only accept .doc files.

ezekielrage_99
Feb 26, 2008, 05:34 PM
No. What you ment is "if I can use Word, I can open a pdf."
Do not under estimate the level of technical incompetence of the typical "HR Person".

I always thought HR stood for "Hired Retards"...

If a big organisation palms me off to an HR Department I usually don't pursue the job any further, HR Departments in general are full of people who can't really make it anywhere else (I'm sorry I'm not trying to be a troll) and therefore don't have the experience or expertise in an area when they are hiring/interviewing/etc for a different department.

I have seriously has one HR person in an interview say "We're looking for a designer who can designer nice graphics, you know the type of graphics where people say wow those are nice graphics", thankfully a better opportunity arose.

SwiftLives
Feb 26, 2008, 10:08 PM
Depends on where you want to work. In a large organisation, top-sifting of a first pile of CVs might be done by someone in HR who's looking to match person specifications... they might want a Word document for reasons of their own and if you can knock together something half-decent in Word, it shows you know how to design with whatever tools you have to hand.

By all means, design a CV that looks nice. But if you can't or won't give a potential employer what they want, it means you can't follow a brief. ;)

I've spent a lot of time attempting to integrate my business card, resume/portfolio, and website. It's basically my attempt to brand myself. Design continuity is one of my major goals with any design job. This is why I want the control over what people see. I simply can't achieve that sort of control over my design with Word.

However, I do very much see your point. I've always said that the computer and the software are merely the tools. Photoshop on a Mac and Photoshop on Windows is the equivalent of using two different brands of hammers. You'll accomplish the same thing. It's just one of the hammers may randomly decide to explode on you. :rolleyes:

Fortunately, as I mentioned earlier, I was able to convince them to accept my PDF - which is a combination of my resumé and a teaser portfolio. 12-14 pages.

And I'm even happier to say that I have a job interview at this company on Thursday.

tgildred - Thank you. But I give the credit to indexhibit (http://www.indexhibit.org) for my website. I just uploaded a background and a logo. They took care of the template.

Topher15 - Thanks for the heads up about the background graphic. It is very similar to how my actual resume appears, but my printed piece is cleaner and the background image is lighter. I'll tinker with it on the website. (It looks fine on MY specially calibrated monitor :D).

And to everyone who haas chimed in so far, I appreciate the words of wisdom and the advice. Thank you.

Finally, I feel that I should mention that as much work (and money) as I've put into branding myself — the 12page resume/portfolios I've had printed, the business cards, the website — I still don't have a job. And this is after 7 job interviews since November. So maybe there's something to be said for the super simple Word resumé after all.

But my way is so much more fun.