newest copied feature in longhorn

[aethier]

hey everyone,

look what IE 6 (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_4051_104.jpg) looks like in Longhorn. Remind you of something? *cough*SAFARI*cough* when will Microsoft come up with their own stuff?

aethier

[jonapete2001]

I actually have this new version of longhorn(build 4051) installed on my windows machine. The new ie is nothing like safari. I know people are saying that the new theme of slate for longhorn looks like brushed metal, but it does not at all. SLate is just grey, not metalic at all. Also safari works, this new ie in longhorn i cant get to load at all. If this is the best they can come up with in the 2+ years xp has been out i am glad they are delaying it untill 2006. ANy way the longhorn ie is not like safari unless you think slate is a rip off of brushed metal. I dont think it is, because if MS wanted to rip off brushed metal they could do a heck of a lot better than slate. Brushed metal cant be a hard concept to copy.

[markjones05]

Originally posted by aethier
hey everyone,

look what IE 6 (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_4051_104.jpg) looks like in Longhorn. Remind you of something? *cough*SAFARI*cough* when will Microsoft come up with their own stuff?

aethier


How does that look like safari?

[markjones05]

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[fraeone]

So many posts about Longhorn, so little to post about.

[tomf87]

Originally posted by fraeone
So many posts about Longhorn, so little to post about.

No doubt... It seems like people will try to relate anything MS does to copying Apple. I'm not a MS fan, but I do come to grips with reality and know that not everything MS has done is all bad. I've been impressed by the stability in Win2K and Win2K3, just not impressed with the patching. But, hey, who is impressed with the patching?

And XP does an awesome job of gaming. Each platform has its strengths and weaknesses (yes, even Apple has weaknesses). The ego trip on each OS-supportive site is something to wonder about. Can't people just look at the competitor and say, "Hey that looks like a good job! I am glad to see they are working on getting things better." Because, without competition, we wouldn't be where we are today.

[legion]

Well, seeing as Safari "stole" from Mozilla, what's the big deal? If the end user product ends up better, as a consumer, that's all I care about.

[edesignuk]

Hmmm....Hardware Discussion???

And no, IE6 in Longhorn looks nothing like Safari.

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by fraeone
So many posts about Longhorn, so little to post about.

How true this is

[the future]

Originally posted by tomf87
I'm not a MS fan, but I do come to grips with reality and know that not everything MS has done is all bad. ... Can't people just look at the competitor and say, "Hey that looks like a good job! I am glad to see they are working on getting things better." Because, without competition, we wouldn't be where we are today.

Haha, very funny... Microsoft is really famous for dealing with competition in a "fair" way, are they not?

And no, not everything MS has done is bad, just everything they thought of themselves instead of ripping somebody else off.

Plus the gaming advantage for Windows is completely due to a) games mainly being developed (and thus optimized) for Windows and b) bad ass (gaming) graphics cards mainly being released (and thus optimized) for Windows. All of this has nothing at all to do with their lame, ugly OS.

I just can't stand this "everybody has a good side to them" nonsense when a corporation is so obviously evil as MS. They would *destroy* Apple/Linux/et al. if only they could/were allowed to.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by the future
Haha, very funny... Microsoft is really famous for dealing with competition in a "fair" way, are they not?

And no, not everything MS has done is bad, just everything they thought of themselves instead of ripping somebody else off.

Plus the gaming advantage for Windows is completely due to a) games mainly being developed (and thus optimized) for Windows and b) bad ass (gaming) graphics cards mainly being released (and thus optimized) for Windows. All of this has nothing at all to do with their lame, ugly OS.

I just can't stand this "everybody has a good side to them" nonsense when a corporation is so obviously evil as MS. They would *destroy* Apple/Linux/et al. if only they could/were allowed to.
I just love you people that are so blindly anti-MS. Anyone would think they had personally murdered a family member of yours for you to hate them so much.
Windows XP Pro IMO is a great OS, stable, easy to use, and nice to look at (once you get a 3rd party theme of course). I just don't see why you have to hate them so much. Longhorn will have some cool features, judging it on these early alphas is just plain stupid! Its 3 years away!!!!
So you like OS X, so do I, that doesn't mean that Windows hasn't come anywhere since Windows 95.

[dhdave]

Originally posted by legion
Well, seeing as Safari "stole" from Mozilla, what's the big deal? If the end user product ends up better, as a consumer, that's all I care about.

What did Safari steal from Mozilla? I thought Safari was based on KHTML from KDE. As I understood it, Apple purposely avoided Gecko because of bloat.

-dh

[tomf87]

Originally posted by the future
Haha, very funny... Microsoft is really famous for dealing with competition in a "fair" way, are they not?

And no, not everything MS has done is bad, just everything they thought of themselves instead of ripping somebody else off.

Plus the gaming advantage for Windows is completely due to a) games mainly being developed (and thus optimized) for Windows and b) bad ass (gaming) graphics cards mainly being released (and thus optimized) for Windows. All of this has nothing at all to do with their lame, ugly OS.

I just can't stand this "everybody has a good side to them" nonsense when a corporation is so obviously evil as MS. They would *destroy* Apple/Linux/et al. if only they could/were allowed to.

Yes, it does have something to do with Microsoft, and it is known as DirectX. This API has really opened the door for fast graphics, and I know OpenGL is there too, but hey, MS developed it for their own OS, and companies would rather spend R&D dollars on something that will bring the most revenue in the door. So are all companies evil for developing on MS? I don't think so. It's all about the almight dollar.

Now, you said as well that not everything MS has done is bad. So how are they so evil as well if they've done some good? Are you for or against them?

[the future]

To the guys defending MS: there are tons of information (on the web and elsewhere) about Microsofts evil and immoral ways of making business by trying to destroy any competition and control everything. They almost made it, too. Read up on it and ask yourselves who is blind here.

And while we're at it: try to find one (1) innovation that came out of MS. Good luck.

[Lanbrown]

They did make it easy to patch their products. They are good at extracting money from the wallet. They are good at trying to shift the blame. They do a great job with smoke and mirrors.

[grabberslasher]

Are you sure the original poster didn't mean the "block pop-ups" feature in IE 6.4051 when he spoke of "copying Safari"?

I have 4051 installed on my PC. Slate is ugly compared to Longhorn's original theme, Plex. (But then, everything is ugly compared to Panther on my TiBook.)

But then again, think back to the Mac OS X developer previews (Ugh... DP2!), it had to start somewhere.

[tomf87]

Originally posted by the future
To the guys defending MS: there are tons of information (on the web and elsewhere) about Microsofts evil and immoral ways of making business by trying to destroy any competition and control everything. They almost made it, too. Read up on it and ask yourselves who is blind here.

And while we're at it: try to find one (1) innovation that came out of MS. Good luck.

Not defending, just stating what I see.

By the way:

At MITS, Paul Allen enters the paper tape loader on an Altair with 7 KB RAM, the Altair reads the paper tape, and it is ready to execute BASIC instructions. Allen types "PRINT 2 + 2", and the Altair responds "4". Despite Gates and Allen never having touched an Altair before, their BASIC works flawlessly. Paul then types in the BASIC source code for a Lunar Lander game from a book. This becomes the first software program ever run on what would later become Microsoft BASIC.

Then:

The October issue of MITS' Computer Notes newsletter announces availability of BASIC 2.0 from Micro Soft for the Altair 8800, in 4K and 8K editions.

Courtesy of http://www.islandnet.com/~kpolsson/comphist

All in 1975.

Speaking in today's terms, it seems everyone copies ideas and designs from each other. I don't agree with all of it, either.

[aethier]

Originally posted by dhdave
What did Safari steal from Mozilla? I thought Safari was based on KHTML from KDE. As I understood it, Apple purposely avoided Gecko because of bloat.

-dh

Um, i think the guy was talking about the "Tabbed Browsing" feature, which originated in Mozilla

aethier

[Toppa G's]

Originally posted by the future

I just can't stand this "everybody has a good side to them" nonsense when a corporation is so obviously evil as MS. They would *destroy* Apple/Linux/et al. if only they could/were allowed to.

Yes...because big corporations are evil. :rolleyes: Questionable business practices, yes. Evil, no.

[jxyama]

Originally posted by the future
And while we're at it: try to find one (1) innovation that came out of MS. Good luck.

since you asked... desktop-based, personalized fast user switching (XP).

or, how about scroll wheel on the mouse?

[Les Kern]

Newest copied feature in Longhorn

The Department of Homeland Securities thirst to pry into your lives.
Oh, did you mean copying Apple? None. Longhorn is vaporware right now, so let's all drop it.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by aethier
Um, i think the guy was talking about the "Tabbed Browsing" feature, which originated in Mozilla

aethier

Both tabs and pop-up blocking originated in other browsers than Safari.

MS is just going with the general design trend in browsers...albeit very slowly.

[Bluefusion]

Originally posted by jxyama
since you asked... desktop-based, personalized fast user switching (XP).

or, how about scroll wheel on the mouse?

desktop-based fast-user switching has been done in many OS's before XP, though it's possible that they were the first to allow you to keep all apps open. Then again, UNIX can do this anyway, so it wasn't as though they invented the concept.

As for scrollwheels, Logitech invented them iirc, in c1990.

Microsoft seriously has never invented a thing on their own. I consider myself an expert on their products/so-called "features", and honestly have yet to come across anything of theirs that someone else didn't have first.

[aethier]

Originally posted by jxyama
since you asked... desktop-based, personalized fast user switching (XP).

or, how about scroll wheel on the mouse?

YEah but with that in the WWDC, when Jobs demo that feature, he said himself "Apple for once is going to "borrow" an idea from Windows, ony we made it a lot better" and he was so right, user switching in Panther is just amazingly fast. Even from a fresh boot up, login (from the login menu) takes nolonger then three seconds. and when you are "fast user switching" it truly is instint. the only delay, is the time it takes for the cube to rotate.

aethier

[jxyama]

Originally posted by Bluefusion
desktop-based fast-user switching has been done in many OS's before XP, though it's possible that they were the first to allow you to keep all apps open. Then again, UNIX can do this anyway, so it wasn't as though they invented the concept.


can UNIX really do this? one console. one desktop at a time. can i really switch to my desktop under my authority without knocking the previous desktop owner out? (of course the apps has to be kept open, otherwise, what's so fast about it if you can't come back to where you left off after the other user is done?)


as for the scroll wheel mouse, this is all i can find thus far.

Microsoft scroll wheel mouse in 1996 (http://www.bcentral.co.uk/technology/buy/hardware/hwhistory.asp)

the page's focus is on M$ products so i'm probably wrong. but i also don't remember using a scroll wheel mouse in HS, as i was back in 1990. however, i do remember using scroll wheel toward the end of my college, around 1997.

i'd love to see your ref. on the logitech scroll wheel mouse some 5 years earlier than this one, as i was always under the impression microsoft invented the wheel mouse...

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by jxyama
can UNIX really do this? one console. one desktop at a time. can i really switch to my desktop under my authority without knocking the previous desktop owner out? (of course the apps has to be kept open, otherwise, what's so fast about it if you can't come back to where you left off after the other user is done?)


as for the scroll wheel mouse, this is all i can find thus far.

Microsoft scroll wheel mouse in 1996 (http://www.bcentral.co.uk/technology/buy/hardware/hwhistory.asp)

the page's focus is on M$ products so i'm probably wrong. but i also don't remember using a scroll wheel mouse in HS, as i was back in 1990. however, i do remember using scroll wheel toward the end of my college, around 1997.

i'd love to see your ref. on the logitech scroll wheel mouse some 5 years earlier than this one, as i was always under the impression microsoft invented the wheel mouse...

-jxyama

I tend to think the same that the only sucessful innovation that MS produced is the scroll mouse, though I'd live to see something earlier.

MS innovates all the time - it's just that it's usually so unsuccessful that it's funny to watch. Especially when they start to convince themselves that they actually invented something like "Personal computing" (Last week).

As for Fast User Switching, MSindeed lifted the concept from UNIX. Heck, it's been in the BSD code at the heart of OS X the whole time, what baffles me is why didn't Apple bring this through until now...

[Bluefusion]

Yep, it does look like you guys are right--the scroll wheel seems to be invented by MS (I can't find anything to the contrary, and searching the Patent Office is quite a nightmare!).

It's funny that Windows still doesn't have double-header scrollbars like Mac OS 9/X do... kind of limits the need for wheels, but I still have one anyway :P

[the future]

Originally posted by Bluefusion
Yep, it does look like you guys are right--the scroll wheel seems to be invented by MS (I can't find anything to the contrary, and searching the Patent Office is quite a nightmare!).

In this case, I bow to Microsoft, the Inventor Of The Mighty Scroll Wheel. :rolleyes:

(Btw, if this is actually true, anybody dreaming of an Apple mouse with a scroll wheel can stop dreaming as it will obviously never happen.)

And now that I've seen the light of the scroll wheel, I'm just so glad MS isn't really evil... just a little "questionable":
http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/of_blogging_and.html
Go figure.

[jxyama]

future - i only brought it up since you asked...

patrick - i wasn't aware of it on UNIX. regardless, you are quite right, i was quite puzzled when i learned that i had to log out in order to let someone else get onto my Mac on one machine. (you can always ssh in from elsewhere...) anyway, i'm glad it's in panther now.