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11blue
Feb 27, 2008, 01:17 AM
So, will this newest MacBook revision (2.4 in mind) do anything for gaming? I'm not personally looking to play Crysis on high settings, but, whats the most current game i could play, possibly on low settings? This is with Bootcamp in mind as well, btw.

Thank you!



slybeans
Feb 27, 2008, 01:48 AM
Crysis on High settings, not even the MBP could do that mate.

Help!
Feb 27, 2008, 01:54 AM
Crysis on High settings, not even the MBP could do that mate.

I'm not personally looking to play Crysis on high settings,

Thank you!

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11blue
Feb 27, 2008, 11:05 AM
But yeah, will I be able to run Half Life 2 pretty alright at lower settings though? That's all I'm really looking for, and maybe the Team Fortress 2 stuff. As well, how about older mac games, like Warcraft 3? They are compatible with the current Mac's right?

Melan
Feb 27, 2008, 11:07 AM
WC3 works on macbooks by far.

Bobioden
Feb 27, 2008, 11:11 AM
The newest Macbook has the same graphics card as the SR 2.2 version. So if a game could not run on that version, it will not run on the latest one either.

TJones
Feb 27, 2008, 11:23 AM
Actually that's my biggest regret about buying my Macbook is that I didn't splurge more for a decent video card that's available on the Macbook Pro. Intel video cards are just garbage in my opinion. I feel as though I have this amazing hotrod that looks just fantastic with crappy little wheels on it :(

As a recent convert that was the biggest stumbling block to making the purchase. If Dell and HP like can find a way to cram an nVidia 8400M GS in a sub $1000 laptop then Apple should be able to find a way to add it in their mid level consumer lines.

Oh well everyday is one day closer to when my gaming rig will eventually die and I can replace it with something that has some balls :D

gkarris
Feb 27, 2008, 11:37 AM
As a recent convert that was the biggest stumbling block to making the purchase. If Dell and HP like can find a way to cram an nVidia 8400M GS in a sub $1000 laptop then Apple should be able to find a way to add it in their mid level consumer lines.

June?

TJones
Feb 27, 2008, 01:07 PM
June?

If they had a 2 GB, 2.2+ Ghz Mini with a decent nVidia/ATI card in it by June I'd buy it and I wouldn't be the only one.

kamm
Feb 27, 2008, 02:08 PM
June?

No chance, it would kill MBP sales.

durant0s
Feb 27, 2008, 02:17 PM
No chance, it would kill MBP sales.

yeah, then it would be almost the exact same machine as the base MBP for $500 cheaper.

compuguy1088
Feb 27, 2008, 04:12 PM
But yeah, will I be able to run Half Life 2 pretty alright at lower settings though? That's all I'm really looking for, and maybe the Team Fortress 2 stuff. As well, how about older mac games, like Warcraft 3? They are compatible with the current Mac's right?

Its the same graphics as before, the x3100. I have not personally tried this with a actual MB, but with another laptop with 2 gigs of ram. The x3100 is a hit or miss propositon. Especially with HL2, it runs pretty bad with that. If you really thinking about any type of gaming, you really need a discrete graphics card, not the x3100.

lil' brudder
Feb 27, 2008, 04:30 PM
But yeah, will I be able to run Half Life 2 pretty alright at lower settings though?

Heck, I can play HL2 on my original Core Duo macbook 1.83Ghz.
Just run it under 640 x 480 resolution and it works great! :P

TJones
Feb 27, 2008, 04:32 PM
No chance, it would kill MBP sales.

yeah, then it would be almost the exact same machine as the base MBP for $500 cheaper.

Only it would be a 13.3 inch instead of a 15 no Firewire 800 port and not encased in aluminum and still has the MB's tiny little speakers. Maybe it's just me but if you try and be too stategic about your product offerings then you're passing up potential customers and really just outsmarting yourself. Although I agree with not swamping the customer with too many choices but shipping with an anemic video card doesn't sound right for a company trying to bank on it's reputation on being the best out there for handling digital media.

Ideally, if I could choose as an upgrade option for a few extra hundred bux to put in something with more umph I'd be more than happy. You can't go wrong by giving your customers a choice.

compuguy1088
Feb 27, 2008, 04:46 PM
Heck, I can play HL2 on my original Core Duo macbook 1.83Ghz.
Just run it under 640 x 480 resolution and it works great! :P

With probibly everything on low. Though this may also depend on CPU clock and ram. When I tried to play HL2 on a friends Sony Noetbook (with the same IGP- x3100) it ran like junk. I never checked what his CPU model was.

Morrius
Feb 27, 2008, 07:28 PM
How about World of Warcraft? How does that do with the X3100 chipset?

JMBrown
Feb 27, 2008, 07:42 PM
How about World of Warcraft? How does that do with the X3100 chipset?

My roommate plays World of Warcraft on an 18 month old 2.0 Core Duo MB, and it runs fine. I think you will be ok.

TJones
Feb 27, 2008, 08:44 PM
This is what it looks like on a MB Intel Core 2 Duo 2.2 GHz / 1 GB / X3100.

Notice the frames per second.

On my XP rig that has a Pentium 4, 3GHz with HT, 1 GB, with a GeForce 7800 GS w/ 256 MB it pops between 30 and 60 frames at 1680 x 1050, 24 bit color depth 2x multi-sampling.

Notice the frames on that one.

Kalafut
Feb 27, 2008, 08:55 PM
So, will this newest MacBook revision (2.4 in mind) do anything for gaming? I'm not personally looking to play Crysis on high settings, but, whats the most current game i could play, possibly on low settings? This is with Bootcamp in mind as well, btw.

Thank you!


i have played counter strike source on my macbook, and my mac is last version.

thies
Feb 28, 2008, 06:46 AM
How about World of Warcraft? How does that do with the X3100 chipset?

I have been running World of Warcraft on the lowend Macbook released in November with maxed out ram. Low to medium settings give me single digit FPS in busy areas like major cities, around 20fps out in the wild. Bearable, but not recommended.

JMBrown
Feb 28, 2008, 08:59 AM
This is what it looks like on a MB Intel Core 2 Duo 2.2 GHz / 1 GB / X3100.

Notice the frames per second.

On my XP rig that has a Pentium 4, 3GHz with HT, 1 GB, with a GeForce 7800 GS w/ 256 MB it pops between 30 and 60 frames at 1680 x 1050, 24 bit color depth 2x multi-sampling.

Notice the frames on that one.

Wow. My roommate regularly gets 20ish FPS on his 2.0 CD MB. I wonder why you're running so low...?

Kalafut
Feb 29, 2008, 11:24 AM
Wow. My roommate regularly gets 20ish FPS on his 2.0 CD MB. I wonder why you're running so low...?

its because the macbook has somewhere around 128 shard mb of ram so it is very slow.

pugple
Feb 29, 2008, 12:19 PM
What about eve-online?

TJones
Feb 29, 2008, 12:31 PM
Wow. My roommate regularly gets 20ish FPS on his 2.0 CD MB. I wonder why you're running so low...?

He's probably running it at a very low resolution with all effects turned off. But then it goes from looking like hell to looking like freaking hell :)

When WoW idles at 20ish it'll drop to 5's and 6's when there's actually stuff going on. For me that's unplayable and the limiting factor here is the video card. Not having it's own dedicated RAM means you're playing with less overall RAM while the game is running and your Video Card and CPU are fighting over the same bandwidth to the same memory.

trip1ex
Mar 2, 2008, 04:44 PM
Just got a Macbook (November refresh & x3100 Intel graphics) and WoW gets about 25 fps at the lowest of settings and least intensive onscreen conditions.

IT's doable, but not acceptable for me as far as gaming goes. Just my experience.

mosx
Mar 2, 2008, 06:51 PM
Any version of the MacBook is going to be bad for gaming. Even the MBP isn't good for gaming, considering the cost. $2500 in the notebook PC world will buy you dual GPUs with 1GB or more of video memory.

The only way to get Half-Life 2 to run on a MacBook is to take it down to 640x480 and turn everything off. Otherwise the game will be a slideshow more often than not.

But at such a low resolution and with everything off.... whats the point? Half of what makes Half-Life 2 good is the atmosphere created by the graphics.

Beric
Mar 2, 2008, 07:36 PM
Apple has really blown it on their video cards. It should not be necessary to buy a $2000 to have the graphics a $800 PC can have. It's like they don't want people to switch, but just keep their few Mac faithful. I would have paid an extra $200 to have a good graphics card on MB. People will pay, but Apple just doesn't get it.

signaturez
Mar 2, 2008, 07:55 PM
lack of dedicated graphic card in macbook is a mistake of Apple's business strategy.... I hope the engineers learn from their mistake and offer an option of dedicated graphic card in the coming Macbook Centrino 2.

That will draw more university students to Apple.. much more than now...

we have unofficial information of Intel X4500HD in the coming Montevina but still that is not good enough for 3D games.

At least give us 128 MB dedicated... if not 256MB
I believe many of us will pay for it even sacrificing shorter battery life...

CaptainCaveMann
Mar 12, 2008, 11:02 PM
lack of dedicated graphic card in macbook is a mistake of Apple's business strategy.... I hope the engineers learn from their mistake and offer an option of dedicated graphic card in the coming Macbook Centrino 2.

That will draw more university students to Apple.. much more than now...

we have unofficial information of Intel X4500HD in the coming Montevina but still that is not good enough for 3D games.

At least give us 128 MB dedicated... if not 256MB
I believe many of us will pay for it even sacrificing shorter battery life...

I definitely would not sacrifice battery life for that. I'm one of those people that actually takes my lap top off the desk. :D

TJones
Mar 12, 2008, 11:09 PM
I definitely would not sacrifice battery life for that. I'm one of those people that actually takes my lap top off the desk. :D

Right but it should at least be an option, don't you think?

CaptainCaveMann
Mar 12, 2008, 11:22 PM
Right but it should at least be an option, don't you think?

I just don't see Apple offering an option that reduces battery life, it would be anti innovative in my humble opinion. Oh hell, maybe Apple has already done this? :eek:

mosx
Mar 13, 2008, 01:59 AM
I just don't see Apple offering an option that reduces battery life, it would be anti innovative in my humble opinion. Oh hell, maybe Apple has already done this? :eek:

I don't understand why people believe dedicated GPUs will shorten battery life.

Modern dedicated mobile GPUs can clock down to 100MHz or lower, turn off dedicated memory if not needed, etc.

A modern dedicated GPU will, in all likelyhood, have better battery life than an integrated on the same system.

Even if the battery life argument was valid, anybody with a bit of sense would take a short loss in battery life in exchange for all of the capabilities that come along with a dedicated GPU. Like the ability to play games, MUCH better video quality, etc.

luffytubby
Mar 13, 2008, 02:23 AM
lack of dedicated graphic card in macbook is a mistake of Apple's business strategy.... I hope the engineers learn from their mistake and offer an option of dedicated graphic card in the coming Macbook Centrino 2.

That will draw more university students to Apple.. much more than now...

we have unofficial information of Intel X4500HD in the coming Montevina but still that is not good enough for 3D games.

At least give us 128 MB dedicated... if not 256MB
I believe many of us will pay for it even sacrificing shorter battery life...

Yeah.


The X4500 which apparently is tied to the succesor after Penryn, called Montevina.

I heard it can have over 300 MB dedicated memory, and can utilise DDR3 Ram.



Is there many 13' inch notebooks with a dedicated GPU? How much would an Nvidia 800 Go series card cost?


I got a 8600m GT 512MB card in mine, and it takes crysis and world in conflict in medium settings, but seriously.. even though mine is only 15' its weight and battery life, makes it not like a laptop. then why did I got one if its portability sucks?


lets just say it like we want - We want incredible gaming power in a tiny 13 inch noteook and alot of us would pay insane prices if apple would provide the option for people.