Did Adolf Hitler draw Disney characters?

[samgalvez]

The director of a Norwegian museum claimed yesterday to have discovered cartoons drawn by Adolf Hitler during the Second World War.

William Hakvaag, the director of a war museum in northern Norway, said he found the drawings hidden in a painting signed "A. Hitler" that he bought at an auction in Germany.

The Snow White characters Bashful and Doc, which the museum director William Hakvaag
believes were drawn by Hitler, along with a sketch of Pinocchio. Read the full story here (http://sodahead.com/poll/52342/?link=samf)

[yeroen]

he did design the volkswagen beetle, that much we know

[samgalvez]

he did design the volkswagen beetle, that much we know

geez... is there anything Hitler cant do??

[scotthayes]

I thought Ferdinand Porsche designed it.

[nickster9224]

geez... is there anything Hitler cant do??

accept jews for who they are.

[jaw04005]

I thought Ferdinand Porsche designed it.

I think Hitler commissioned sketches of it and gave them to Porsche.

[Shotglass]

geez... is there anything Hitler cant do??My grandfather would say "no". Any German elementary school teacher would say "I don't know, but I know he is evil".

[samgalvez]

The only characters Disney could ever come up with were pathetic stick figures with the words "Sarcastic Horse" and "Manic Mailman" printed on them. And they stank. :D:D:D

[mkrishnan]

geez... is there anything Hitler cant do??

Depends on whether or not Chuck Norris is involved in the situation. :D

[puckhead193]

while were talking about WWII i found this on yahoo today
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080226/people_nm/dutch_annefrank_dc

[yeroen]

Look out Itchy, he's Irish!

[lofight]

Kidding right? :p
as reminder:
http://disney-clipart.com/Disney-Characters-jpg.jpg

[Jaffa Cake]

Proof, as if it were needed, that Disney is pure evil. ;)

[Don't panic]

so he might have copied some of the disney characters in the back of his paintings.
and the point is?

[samgalvez]

Look out Itchy, he's Irish!

Whatever happened to drawings of the disgruntled goat, uncle ant, and ku klux clam? :D:D:D

Hitler has them stashed

[Prof.]

My history teacher told us that Hitler was jewish.:confused:

[lofight]

My history teacher told us that Hitler was jewish.:confused:

Hitler wasn't jewish, but he didn't have blond hair and blue eyes like he wanted everyone to be..

[ravenvii]

My history teacher told us that Hitler was jewish.:confused:

He was born to Jewish parents, was abused as a child, decides to go into art to express his emo feelings, he was rejected, then he decides to cross-dress to express his emo feelings, and he was rejected, he decides it's the Jews' fault, so he killed a few million. Then he offs himself because he has emo feelings.

The end.

[Prof.]

Hitler wasn't jewish, but he didn't have blond hair and blue eyes like he wanted everyone to be..
Well my history teacher is a dumb ass

Oh and there is a high probability that this thread will be moved to the PRSI section soon.

[lofight]

He was born to Jewish parents, was abused as a child, decides to go into art to express his emo feelings, he was rejected, then he decides to cross-dress to express his emo feelings, and he was rejected, he decides it's the Jews' fault, so he killed a few million. Then he offs himself because he has emo feelings.

The end.

this isn't true
from wikipedia:
Religious beliefs

Main articles: Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs and Nazi Mysticism
Hitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but as a boy he rejected some aspects of Catholicism. After Hitler left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments,[79] Throughout his life, Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and a belief in Jesus Christ.[80] In his speeches and publications Hitler even spoke of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice".[81][82] His private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of traditional Christianity.[83] However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism,[83] and ridiculed such beliefs in Mein Kampf.[84] Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity",[85] a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and which reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.
Hitler believed in Arthur de Gobineau's ideas of struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race"—guided by "Providence"—was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization. In Hitler's conception Jews were enemies of all civilization.
Among Christian denominations, Hitler, despite his native Catholicism, favored certain attributes of Protestantism if they were more susceptible to his own objectives. At the same time, he adopted some elements of the Catholic Church's hierarchical organization, liturgy and phraseology in his politics.[86][87]
Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition. According to one confidant, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness...".[88]

Well my history teacher is a dumb @$$

Oh and there is a high probability that this thread will be moved to the PRSI section soon.
:p

[Prof.]

He was born to Jewish parents, was abused as a child, decides to go into art to express his emo feelings, he was rejected, then he decides to cross-dress to express his emo feelings, and he was rejected, he decides it's the Jews' fault, so he killed a few million. Then he offs himself because he has emo feelings.

The end.
Emo feelings... got it! :p

[gkarris]

He was an artist, so possibly...

[Stampyhead]

...Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and a belief in Jesus Christ

So he was an antisemite who loved Jesus... Got it. That kind of paradox would make anyone insane!

[Bobdude161]

Hitler was a Christian yet he killed Christians, got it.

[shen]

Hitler was a Christian yet he killed Christians, got it.

that is nothing special. millions of christians killed christians. so?

hell if you want to see real blood shed. like of biblical proportions, ya have to get religion involved somehow. THEY know how to do it with malice....

[lofight]

that is nothing special. millions of christians killed christians. so?

hell if you want to see real blood shed. like of biblical proportions, ya have to get religion involved somehow. THEY know how to do it with malice....

completly agree, if you take a look at it, The most wars are due to religions..

[Macaddicttt]

that is nothing special. millions of christians killed christians. so?

hell if you want to see real blood shed. like of biblical proportions, ya have to get religion involved somehow. THEY know how to do it with malice....

Right, because the two biggest wars of history (WWI and WWII) which caused more devastation than any other by far were all about religion. Oh wait, no they weren't. And the single greatest loss of life engineered by a state was all because of religion. Oh wait, never mind. The U.S.S.R. was atheistic. But damn that religion and all of it's wars... :rolleyes:

But seriously, if you look through history, most wars were not for religious reasons, but political reasons. They were just often justified through religious claims. Look no further than the so-called Wars of Religion following the Reformation. They were about political power, not religion. Which side did Catholic France fight on? The Pope's? Nope, the Protestants'. :eek: :rolleyes:

[protozoa]

Walt Disney was not known for being a liberal (http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mdisneyfascist.html). Some of those old cartoons were downright racist.

If it weren't for the fact that the Disney corporation has developed a very "progressive" set of policies since Walt's death, I doubt I would ever visit the place. I'm not gay, but the fact that Disney has a "gay day" is enough to make up for Walt's fascism. I like knowing he must be spinning in his grave.

[MacHipster]

If it weren't for the fact that the Disney corporation has developed a very "progressive" set of policies since Walt's death, I doubt I would ever visit the place. I'm not gay, but the fact that Disney has a "gay day" is enough to make up for Walt's fascism. I like knowing he must be spinning in his grave.

Disney doesn't have a "gay day". But they don't prevent groups from organizing them. How was Walt a fascist again?

[Ant1-Hero]

actually your all wrong, he did have blue eyes, and was fasinated by germanic peganism, he rejected christianity because he felt it was the long arm of judism. He was no more a evil person then george bush. He was just a polition, get over it..

just my 2 cents.

[paddy]

actually your all wrong, he did have blue eyes, and was fasinated by germanic peganism, he rejected christianity because he felt it was the long arm of judism. He was no more a evil person then george bush. He was just a polition, get over it...

Are you just trolling? :rolleyes:

[Abstract]

Now we know what happened to the 8th dwarf. Bashful and Doc, drawn by Hitler, killed Jew-y, their keepa wearing, dreidle spinning brother.

[Ant1-Hero]

Are you just trolling? :rolleyes:

me nah:p

im a ww2 history buff so to speak.

if you get all your information from hollywood, and magazines. Well....

[Rower_CPU]

With apologies to the OP and any other non-regulars who won't be able to post anymore in this thread, it's time for it to be moved to the Political forum.

[IJ Reilly]

With apologies to the OP and any other non-regulars who won't be able to post anymore in this thread, it's time for it to be moved to the Political forum.

Next stop wasteland, if there's any justice.

[mactastic]

Whatever happened to drawings of the disgruntled goat, uncle ant, and ku klux clam? :D:D:D

Hitler has them stashed
Is that you Mr. Lampwick? And how's that solid gold house doing?

[paddy]

me nah:p

im a ww2 history buff so to speak.

if you get all your information from hollywood, and magazines. Well....

Ah come on, I mean I do not like Bush and Co., (like most of the world) but to say that he's no more evil than him? Also, he may have been a very skilled politician, but he was not just a politician.

[protozoa]

Disney doesn't have a "gay day". But they don't prevent groups from organizing them. How was Walt a fascist again?

You're right about Disney not actually promoting gay day. I sort of see that as an unimportant detail. There has never been any indication that they have any problem with the event. As further evidence of their progressive stance, Disney extends health insurance benefits to the partners of gay and lesbian employees. If that isn't enough for you... check out this link.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264423,00.html

As far as Walt goes, see the link in my previous post (or you can probably Google up a number of other links). Look up info on his testimony before the "House Un-American Activities Committee" in 1947... and how he spied on Hollywood union activists for the FBI.

[Queso]

I thought Ferdinand Porsche designed it.
He did. It's quite obvious if you horizontally squish a pic of a 9/11 that the Beetle was one of his designs :)

[gothiquegirrl]

With apologies to the OP and any other non-regulars who won't be able to post anymore in this thread, it's time for it to be moved to the Political forum.

I think i'm a regular now... so it's ok with me! :p

[MacHipster]

You're right about Disney not actually promoting gay day. I sort of see that as an unimportant detail. There has never been any indication that they have any problem with the event. As further evidence of their progressive stance, Disney extends health insurance benefits to the partners of gay and lesbian employees. If that isn't enough for you... check out this link.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264423,00.html

As far as Walt goes, see the link in my previous post (or you can probably Google up a number of other links). Look up info on his testimony before the "House Un-American Activities Committee" in 1947... and how he spied on Hollywood union activists for the FBI.

You're first link doesn't really say anything other than use an undocumented quote. Also, how does testifying or getting caught up in the red scare make one a fascist? I need more than just random internet sources. I don't want to argue, but I need more evidence other than has been provided.

[protozoa]

I need more than just random internet sources. I don't want to argue, but I need more evidence other than has been provided.

On the contrary, it sounds very much like you want to argue.

Let me start by saying that you are clearly confused. I was stating my opinion, not trying to convince you. If it makes you feel better, don't believe me. I'll sleep fine.

The underlying problem here is that you have no idea what I define as a fascist. I have a very broad interpretation of that label. Here's a list of things that Walt Disney did that qualify him as a fascist (there may be others, but these are the ones I've run across on the web over the years)...

-he perpetuated the Red Scare, and he red-baited and ruined the careers of people in Hollywood he suspected of being Communist

-was very much against organized labor

-supported the Hollywood blacklist

-was sympathetic to the German Bund in the '30s

-hired Leni Riefenstahl

-felt that World War II should have been against the Soviet Union, not Germany

-fired Aldous Huxley (one of his animation writers) who had complained when anti-Union goons nearly killed his son (who had gone on strike)

-left a legacy of Big Brother type enforcement of ridiculously strict dress codes for Disney employees. Until 1991 (I think), you couldn't even have facial hair and work for Disney.

-although this is one point where I'm not completely convinced, there are reports that Walt attended American Nazi party meetings in the company of Gunther Lessing

-Walt kept records of what all his employee's religions were

-he had a rather well-known falling-out with Charlie Chaplin because of Chaplin's comical depiction of Hitler

-refused to allow Kruschev permission to visit Disney World

-was known to have tirades where he made liberal use of anti-semetic slurs (http://www.dvrepublic.org/story.php?n=695&x=4) (see link)

-do a Google search for "Walt Disney racist"

But like I said, you can choose not to believe me. All of this information is as close as your nearest web browser. That doesn't really mean that all of it is true, but if none of it is true... I would then have to wonder what the motivation would be behind all this character assassination. To me, it adds up to him being one creepy Right-Wing jerk.

[MacHipster]

But like I said, you can choose not to believe me. All of this information is as close as your nearest web browser.

No, that's not how it works here. You make the allegations, and you back it up. It's up to you to back up your claims, not us. Again, the links you gave are providing quotes without documentation. The internet isn't infallible. I need legitiment sources, not random ones.

[Queso]

The turn this thread has taken is quite bizarre. Some of you seem to be taking the attitude that Hitler drew Disney because Walt and he shared politics. What a bunch of nonsense!! I'm sure Peter Sutcliffe watched Coronation Street occasionally but it doesn't mean the actor who plays Ken Barlow likes murdering prostitutes :rolleyes:

[protozoa]

No, that's not how it works here.

"How it works here" is that you don't make the rules.

I need legitiment sources, not random ones.

There are a number of sources for things I have mentioned. I'm not going to be your personal internet search engine.

But, here's an example... I claimed that Walt Disney used racist slurs. My source? Neal Gabler's biography of the man, titled Walt Disney: The Triumph of the American Imagination. That is not a "random source." It's a pretty specific one. And no, I'm not going to buy you a copy of the book so you can read it yourself. If you're interested in what Mr Gabler had to say, buy the book; otherwise stop trolling.

[IJ Reilly]

"How it works here" is that you don't make the rules.

How it works here is that you don't make the rules either. You might want to read them, though.

[stevento]

here's something i found out randomly. adolf hitler invented the VW Beetle.

[protozoa]

How it works here is that you don't make the rules either. You might want to read them, though.

I wasn't suggesting that I was making any rules, I was rejecting his.

And thanks for the tip, but I have read the forum guidelines.

[skunk]

here's something i found out randomly. adolf hitler invented the VW Beetle.He commissioned it, he did not "invent" it. Porsche designed it. As noted above.

[IJ Reilly]

I wasn't suggesting that I was making any rules, I was rejecting his.

And thanks for the tip, but I have read the forum guidelines.

His were essentially a restatement of the forum rules. Reading the forums rules is a good start. Abiding by them is the objective.

[protozoa]

His were essentially a restatement of the forum rules. Reading the forums rules is a good start. Abiding by them is the objective.

I did abide by the forum rules.

snip from forum rules...
Provide links or other form of citation to corroborate claims; uncited claims will be considered opinion/hearsay

snip from my post about four or five back...
I was stating my opinion, not trying to convince you

Not only that, I have described how he can find this information on his own. Questions?

[toontra]

I did abide by the forum rules.

snip from forum rules...
Provide links or other form of citation to corroborate claims; uncited claims will be considered opinion/hearsay

Not only that, I have described how he can find this information on his own. Questions?

Post links directly to the source material to substantiate your claim, as the rules say. Don't tell someone to Google it.

If you think the rules are pedantic, try visiting a few less-regulated forums and read the garbage that emanates.

[protozoa]

Toontra, please re-read my post and pay attention to the first five lines.

I told the guy I was stating my opinion. No links are required for opinions.

[IJ Reilly]

You were also citing facts to support that opinion and suggesting that the burden of proof was on someone else, not you.

This forum has periodically struggled at length to establish reasonable ground rules for debate. They aren't likely to change, so you can either abide by them, or not post here. Those are your only real choices.

[protozoa]

You were also citing facts to support that opinion and suggesting that the burden of proof was on someone else, not you.

That is the largest load of gobbldy-gook I have ever read. I clearly stated that what I was saying was my opinion. That is well in accordance with the rules.

I might also add that this thread did not start in the Politics forum. The move happened after my initial post. Therefore, I wasn't even subject to the "provide a link" rule, even if it had applied to my OPINIONS.

[stevegmu]

I told the guy I was stating my opinion. No links are required for opinions.

They are if group-think does not agree with them.

[.Andy]

They are if group-think does not agree with them.
So you're saying that Adolf did draw Disney Characters?

[stevegmu]

So you're saying that Adolf did draw Disney Characters?

When did I say that?

[.Andy]

When did I say that?
So you don't think the Adolf drew disney characters?

[Virgil-TB2]

so he might have copied some of the disney characters in the back of his paintings.
and the point is?Yeah, I fail to see what the point of this thread is or the story it's about.

The idea that "Hitler may have drawn Disney characters" was all over Digg, Google etc. and I kept asking myself, ... WTF?
Why is this even a story? Why is it even surprising?

Hitler was a pretty good water-colourist and had a good sense of design. So what? He liked dogs and kiddies too. So what? Are people really stupid enough to believe that he was some kind of "pure evil" guy or something? Or that because he was a stupid anti-semite that made him somehow lacking in artistic ability? WTF? I mean are people really thinking out there at all? :confused:

Hitler was not obsessed by death and destruction. He didn't spend hours carving his name into his desk with a big knife, fondling his guns or drawing cool scary skull-faces on the margins of his notebooks. The landscape paintings I've seen of his were boring but brightly-coloured. They were full of flowers and trees, not mired in doom-filled greys. To himself, he probably thought he was a good guy.

Hitler was just a regular middle class bigoted idiot with delusions of grandeur and an inferiority complex.

The mistaken impression most people have about "what kind of person it was" that could do all the horrible things that Hitler is responsible for is exactly why we should not be banning the swastika and demonising the Germans over WWII. As if they were the only ones that were somehow "evil." We would be better to remember how similar he was to us and how anyone could do those things with the right mind-set behind them.

[stevegmu]

So you don't think the Adolf drew disney characters?

How should I know? Anyone who might have known is probably dead.

[.Andy]

How should I know? Anyone who might have known is probably dead.
This is why I question if in fact Leonardo painted the Mona Lisa. We have no way of knowing as everyone who might know is dead.

[Virgil-TB2]

... if you look through history, most wars were not for religious reasons, but political reasons. They were just often justified through religious claims. Look no further than the so-called Wars of Religion following the Reformation. They were about political power, not religion. Which side did Catholic France fight on? The Pope's? Nope, the Protestants'. :eek: :rolleyes:You are right of course, but when you look at the entire scope of recorded history you are perhaps making a bit of a false distinction as well. Further back than a few hundred years or so, one could argue that there was little difference between politics of a state, it's people and it's religion.

[stevegmu]

This is why I question if in fact Leonardo painted the Mona Lisa. We have no way of knowing as everyone who might know is dead.

Actually, there is. One can analyze brush strokes, choices of pigment, and compare the Mona Lisa to known works by Leonardo Da Vinci.

I know you are probably 16, and just want to disagree with me every time I post, so that you can look cool in front of the old heads, but it is getting pretty old.

[IJ Reilly]

This is why I question if in fact Leonardo painted the Mona Lisa. We have no way of knowing as everyone who might know is dead.

That was by Don Martin, as I think every educated person knows.

http://www.donmartinshrine.com/gallery/g2_mona.jpg

[.Andy]

Actually, there is. One can analyze brush strokes, choices of pigment, and compare the Mona Lisa to known works by Leonardo Da Vinci.
Why can't this be done with Adolf's work?

I know you are probably 16, and just want to disagree with me every time I post, so that you can look cool in front of the old heads, but it is getting pretty old.
No need for personal attacks stevegmu. This is a discussion of possible Disney paintings by Adolf.

That was by Don Martin, as I think every educated person knows.
I love Don Martin. I've been eyeing his new MAD compendium (http://www.amazon.com/MADs-Greatest-Artists-Completely-Martin/dp/0762430508) but it's a little expensive in Aus at the moment.

[mactastic]

How should I know? Anyone who might have known is probably dead.

Actually, there is. One can analyze brush strokes, choices of pigment, and compare the Mona Lisa to known works by Leonardo Da Vinci.
Contradict yourself much?

I know you are probably 16, and just want to disagree with me every time I post, so that you can look cool in front of the old heads, but it is getting pretty old.
If you think that's what the problem is, you're greatly mistaken.

[stevegmu]

Contradict yourself much?




Apparently you think the circumstances are identical. If A. Hitler had a large body of work one could compare to the Disney drawings, this issue would have been cleared up decades ago.

[.Andy]

Apparently you think the circumstances are identical. If A. Hitler had a large body of work one could compare to the Disney drawings, this issue would have been cleared up decades ago.
So you've known about the existence of these Disney pictures purported to be from Adolf for decades?

[mactastic]

Apparently you think the circumstances are identical. If A. Hitler had a large body of work one could compare to the Disney drawings, this issue would have been cleared up decades ago.
Huh? How big of a body of work must one have before the stevemgu identification techniques begin to work?

It seems to me that if you have one authenticated painting from either artist you could do the analysis from there.

Or you're just obfuscating again.

[stevegmu]

Huh? How big of a body of work must one have before the stevemgu identification techniques begin to work?

It seems to me that if you have one authenticated painting from either artist you could do the analysis from there.

Or you're just obfuscating again.

Are there known drawings A. Hitler has made, in order to compare to the drawings someone thinks he drew?
Seems you'd be incorrect.

[mactastic]

Are there known drawings A. Hitler has made, in order to compare to the drawings someone thinks he drew?
Seems you'd be incorrect.
Yes. Which would make you incorrect, since you seem so intent on keeping score here.

[stevegmu]

Yes. Which would make you incorrect, since you seem so intent on keeping score here.

Where are these cartoons A. Hitler is known to have drawn? Have they been compared to the cartoons W. Hakvaag claims are A. Hitler's, as well?

[mactastic]

Where are these cartoons A. Hitler is known to have drawn? Have they been compared to the cartoons W. Hakvaag claims are A. Hitler's, as well?
Who said anything about cartoons? You asked if there were known drawings by A. Hitler for comparison.

Yes there are.

I know changing the subject is the only thing you've got in your arsenal these days, but it's getting pretty old.

[stevegmu]

Who said anything about cartoons? You asked if there were known drawings by A. Hitler for comparison.

.

I thought that would have been obvious. There would be no vale in comparing a watercolor landscape to a cartoon drawing.

[.Andy]

I thought that would have been obvious. There would be no vale in comparing a watercolor landscape to a cartoon drawing.
The drawings are painted in watercolour and part of watercolour landscapes.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2380/whitler123ne8.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/23/whitler123.xml

Presumably;
One can analyze brush strokes, choices of pigment... to determine if they are by hitler.

[stevegmu]

The drawings are painted in watercolour and part of watercolour landscapes.

Which of these known paintings by A. Hitler can be compared to a cartoon drawing?
http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums6/album.htm

[.Andy]

Which of these known paintings by A. Hitler can be compared to a cartoon drawing?
http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums6/album.htm
All of them;
One can analyze brush strokes, choices of pigment.

[stevegmu]

All of them;

Seems there would be no controversy here, then. After all, artists use the same brushstrokes drawing a building as a cartoon character.

[mactastic]

Seems there would be no controversy here, then. After all, artists use the same brushstrokes drawing a building as a cartoon character.
Lol... reaching for straws again I see.

[.Andy]

Seems there would be no controversy here, then. After all, artists use the same brushstrokes drawing a building as a cartoon character.
But as you rightly pointed out when referring to Leonardo, the use of the same pigments, styles of brushes and brush strokes, the media which it is painted on, the preparation of the media, the dating of the pictures, the larger context of the pictures (i.e. in this case some of the characters are part of larger watercolour landscapes), the signatures, etc al provide information to trace the artist.

Personally I'll reserve my judgement until the pictures are independently examined. In the mean time it's possible they are by Adolf but I'm skeptical.

[stevegmu]

But as you rightly pointed out when referring to Leonardo, the use of the same pigments, styles of brushes and brush strokes, the media which it is painted on, the preparation of the media, the dating of the pictures, the larger context of the pictures (i.e. in this case some of the characters are part of larger watercolour landscapes), the signatures, etc al provide information to trace the artist.



Comparing like paintings is one thing. Comparing scenery to a cartoon character is another.

[mactastic]

Comparing like paintings is one thing. Comparing scenery to a cartoon character is another.
Where did you get your art degree from?

[Don't panic]

But as you rightly pointed out when referring to Leonardo, the use of the same pigments, styles of brushes and brush strokes, the media which it is painted on, the preparation of the media, the dating of the pictures, the larger context of the pictures (i.e. in this case some of the characters are part of larger watercolour landscapes), the signatures, etc al provide information to trace the artist.

Personally I'll reserve my judgement until the pictures are independently examined. In the mean time it's possible they are by Adolf but I'm skeptical.

what i don't get is why do you find it hard to believe, or what makes you skeptical.

on a water color by hitler there are water colors of characters copied from an animated movied that had come out a few years earlier and of which hitler apparently had a personal copy (so he obviously liked it).
in addition, the drawings are signed a.h.

why should they not be by him?

what i get even less is what the big deal is.

so if we found out that lenin at one point doodled on the side of a notebook a drawing of the stars&stripes, do we drop it as our flag?

[.Andy]

what i don't get is why do you find it hard to believe, or what makes you skeptical.
I never said I find it hard to believe, I just said I'll reserve my judgement. Until it's verified by independent sources and not taking the word of the man who has a vested interest in them being genuine.

what i get even less is what the big deal is.
The big deal is that paintings bought for $US300 at auction end up being worth an absolute fortune. The juxtaposition of a mass murdering dictator with the childhood innocence of Disney cartoons would instantly make these paintings a sought after item by all sorts of collectors. It illustrates something of the infamous psyche of Adolf that most would think absurd.

[Ugg]

The big deal is that paintings bought for $US300 at auction end up being worth an absolute fortune. The juxtaposition of a mass murdering dictator with the childhood innocence of Disney cartoons would instantly make these paintings a sought after item by all sorts of collectors. It illustrates something of the infamous psyche of Adolf that most would think absurd.

So, if Stalin painted these, would you have the same attitude? Stalin killed far more than Hitler ever dreamed of.

Let's face it, it's the infamous whose artifacts are the most sought after, not the mundane.

[.Andy]

So, if Stalin painted these, would you have the same attitude? Stalin killed far more than Hitler ever dreamed of.
Of course why wouldn't I? I have that attitude with everything in life when it come to all sorts of claims delivered by newspapers - don't believe people who have a vested interest unless it's been verified by an independent third party. That's not to say they aren't original though - just that I consider the proof as presented lacking. I certainly wouldn't part money for them. Even $US300.

Let's face it, it's the infamous whose artifacts are the most sought after, not the mundane. This was my point. And in these pictures we have a both undervalued newly discovered Adolf originals, with previously unnoticed pastel Disney dwarves in them.

[solvs]

I know you are probably 16
What does that have to do with anything? :confused: Must you do this in all of these types of threads? This wasn't even about a Republican this time. You seem to be branching out, and where this is going is disconcerting. You claim to want rational discussion, is that what you call what you just said? What you have been saying?

Are there known drawings A. Hitler has made, in order to compare to the drawings someone thinks he drew?
In case you still are not aware, yes, there are. :rolleyes:

On topic: I was going to make some comment about working for Disney, but not being evil, but some people just have to ruin things by trolling, and worse, calling the rest of us trolls. :mad: