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Doctor Q
Oct 30, 2003, 08:34 PM
Stop what you are doing and take a backup right now!

A co-worker of mine lost an important file today, which can happen to anyone at any time. He hadn't taken a backup for months so he couldn't simply restore the file.

I don't want you to suffer the same fate, so I'm ordering (not asking) you to take a backup. Do it now, today, tonite, or tomorrow at the latest. If you had other plans, tell people that Doctor Q didn't give you a choice. You'll thank me later.

If you think you have a valid excuse (no, a note from your mother is not good enough), let's hear it. Otherwise, get to work!

D0ct0rteeth
Oct 30, 2003, 08:49 PM
Im out of DVD-R's and they are in the mail.. should be here tomorrow or Saturday at the latest :)

I definitely gotta backup as my external firewire drive may take a **** when I install panther

Thanks Q

- Doc

G5orbust
Oct 30, 2003, 10:49 PM
aye aye sir! Oh...wait...I backed up everything last week... Doh!

SiliconAddict
Oct 31, 2003, 12:54 AM
HEH do you really want to know how I do backups? ;)

First I have a home brewed server with 380GB, recently upgraded, of storage with 4 partitions:
G: Backups\file storage 70GB
H: Software 40GB
I: Movies 154GB
J: Music 115GB

Each system in the house has a drive mapping for the personal directory to \\backup$\personalstorage\[familymembersname]
The My Documents directory points to the folder. For my 2 laptops in the house we use offline file shares so when the system comes back online any changes to the above share gets replicated back to the server. Backups of the server are on a once a week rotation with 1 set of backups going to the safety dep box once a month. Backups are done via DLT 35/70 backup tapes. So 7 tapes (getting close to 8 now.) get stored offsite once a month in case of fire or some other freak happenstance. Physical HD scans for bad sectors are done on a end of month basis overnight (Since it takes aprox 4 hours to do a comprehensive scan using IBM diagnostics.)

You may be wondering why I'm so anal retentive. Well other then being a Windows user, its second nature to us :p I lost 3 100MB zip disks back in 95 when the zip drive was just being introduced. The drive developed the click of death which was fatal to any disk placed in it. I vowed, after going on a psycho rampage and smashing the drive against the brick wall in the garage after losing 100MB of family picts and 3 years of personal journal entries, that I would never lose that amount of data EVER again, and to date I have not.

Doctor Q
Jan 3, 2006, 05:05 PM
The start of a new year is a great time to make a resolution to take a backup more often. I'm talking to YOU, the happy Mac user who hasn't backed up your documents for months because your Mac is so reliable. Reliability is nice, but no computer is completely immune to hardware trouble, software glitches, file deletion by human error, natural disasters, theft, etc.

Backing up applications may or may not be necessary if you have the original installation disks and can download patches and updates again, but the documents and files in your home folder are worth a lot to you.

You can back up files to .mac, to another computer, to an external disk drive, to CDs or DVDs, to a tape device, or even to another disk on the same Mac (not nearly as safe in case something happens to your Mac).

Pick a method and get started on your overdue backup!

grapes911
Jan 3, 2006, 05:12 PM
Stop what you are doing and take a backup right now!

Normally, I wouldn't comply . . . but since you have a nice new 'tar, how can I say "no"? :p

This really is an important thing. Most people don't back anything up. I make a fully bootable backup every 2-4 weeks. Even if the whole hard drive crashes, I boot my Mac.

Blue Velvet
Jan 3, 2006, 05:16 PM
Nightly backup of home folder to internal cloned drive... but, but...

I'll do it right now. :eek:

Applespider
Jan 3, 2006, 05:19 PM
I did this morning on my LaCie just in case something happened to my 'Book while I was flying home... but I'll get right onto another one...

Funny you should mention it though, I just got through telling my mother that she should be backing stuff up more often (ie occasionally!). I did back her stuff up to my drive too this morning... it will be an old back up but at least she'll have one!

kwajaln
Jan 3, 2006, 05:46 PM
I make a fully bootable backup every 2-4 weeks. Even if the whole hard drive crashes, I boot my Mac.
OK, can someone explain to me (as much in laymen's terms please) what a bootable backup is? I am good about backing up almost everything to my 500GB external and also to DVDs, but am unfamiliar with "bootable". Thanks!

grapes911
Jan 3, 2006, 05:50 PM
OK, can someone explain to me (as much in laymen's terms please) what a bootable backup is? I am good about backing up almost everything to my 500GB external and also to DVDs, but am unfamiliar with "bootable". Thanks!
If my hard drive where to crash, there is an exact clone (as of my last backup) of it on a partition on one of my external firewire hard drives. I could boot from my external and not skip a beat.

Basically, instead of just saving important file, my backup can boot.

maya
Jan 3, 2006, 05:52 PM
I have to make a backup soon. I am so lazy after the holidays. :o

mad jew
Jan 3, 2006, 05:55 PM
I'm backing up as we speak. Thanks Doctor Q. :)

Aarow
Jan 3, 2006, 05:59 PM
I don't have very many documents to warrant a backup. But all my music is on my (sister's) iPod.

Seriously. If I could find my USB drive, I would backup.

Sorry, Doctor Q.:o

maya
Jan 3, 2006, 05:59 PM
I'm backing up as we speak. Thanks Doctor Q. :)

suck up. :p ;) :D

mad jew
Jan 3, 2006, 06:00 PM
suck up. :p ;) :D


Good point. Thanks maya. :)

joepunk
Jan 3, 2006, 06:04 PM
Yes sir!

Just as soon as I purchase a HD and case.

virus1
Jan 3, 2006, 06:17 PM
once i accidentally repartitioned my internal drive on my powerbook.. if only i had dr. q a few hours before that....

i have backups of my home directory of my ibook on my imac and mac mini.. im good..

its just what the doctor ordered..

Doctor Q
Jan 3, 2006, 06:21 PM
Yes, I admit I'm using the authority of my oversized avatar to influence everyone against their will. But it's for your own good. There's absolutely no proof that I get a kickback from blank media vendors and firewire drive manufacturers. :rolleyes:

dubbz
Jan 3, 2006, 06:28 PM
I didn't start doing regular backups after the previous Crash on Computer with Irreplaceable Data and I certainly won't do it this time either.

I just cry silently in the night instead.

joepunk
Jan 3, 2006, 06:38 PM
I think that my luck on never experiencing a loss of data from my drives says something. I most probably am due for one.

Hey, just noticed that Best Buy has Seagate 120GB for $30. Might go out tonight.

kwajaln
Jan 3, 2006, 07:11 PM
If my hard drive where to crash, there is an exact clone (as of my last backup) of it on a partition on one of my external firewire hard drives. I could boot from my external and not skip a beat.
QUESTION: What exactly is it that I need on the external that will give me the ability to do this?? I have partitioned my external into 3 for home video (DV), photos, and backed-up, compressed DVDs. Should I have just backed up the entire hard drive on my iMac to the external?

iSaint
Jan 3, 2006, 07:18 PM
I think that my luck on never experiencing a loss of data from my drives says something. I most probably am due for one.

Hey, just noticed that Best Buy has Seagate 120GB for $30. Might go out tonight.

Dang! I'd buy two or three for that price!

hayduke
Jan 3, 2006, 07:20 PM
Stop what you are doing and take a backup right now!

Reminds me of Click and Clack the Tappit Brothers from Car Talk. They're always talking about "taking a haircut." Often times when I run into someone at the grocery and they ask, "What are you doing here?" (Um, duh! Grocery shopping!) I respond, "Taking a haircut." They either get it...or they don't!

grapes911
Jan 3, 2006, 07:24 PM
QUESTION: What exactly is it that I need on the external that will give me the ability to do this?? I have partitioned my external into 3 for home video (DV), photos, and backed-up, compressed DVDs. Should I have just backed up the entire hard drive on my iMac to the external?

I use Carbon Copy Cloner to make my backup. I have a 100 GB internal hard drive. I partitioned out 100 GB of my external. You only need as much space as you are currently using on your system drive, but I find it easier to just make it the max size my system hard drive could ever be. Next open CCC and select your source hard drive and your destination hard drive. Let it sit for a while and you're done. Now you'll have two exact hard drive partitions. Assuming the second one is firewire, you can boot from it.

mduser63
Jan 3, 2006, 07:35 PM
I use Carbon Copy Cloner to make my backup. I have a 100 GB internal hard drive. I partitioned out 100 GB of my external. You only need as much space as you are currently using on your system drive, but I find it easier to just make it the max size my system hard drive could ever be. Next open CCC and select your source hard drive and your destination hard drive. Let it sit for a while and you're done. Now you'll have two exact hard drive partitions. Assuming the second one is firewire, you can boot from it.

I use CCC to make my backups too. I do it once a week, every Sunday. It's supposed to be able to do a sync instead of a complete clone, but it doesn't seem to work, because it always takes a LONG time to do a backup, even when not much has changed. Even so, it makes it really easy to make a complete, bootable backup in case some thing goes wrong. I used it just yesterday to make a back of my Power Mac hard drive with Panther just before upgrading to Tiger. Thankfully the upgrade went (relatively) smoothly, but it was nice to have a complete backup just in case.

kwajaln
Jan 3, 2006, 08:39 PM
Sorry for my ignorance here. What is the advantage to using something like CCC, as opposed to just dragging and dropping (copying)files/folders/whatever to the external drive icon on your desktop?

840quadra
Jan 3, 2006, 08:50 PM
I have my B&W Pa-pa-pa-Powermac G3 B&W with 190gb of storage that I use for backups.

So far I have an Automator script that backs up my important files from my G5 to that system, and kicks off a small terminal script (basically a copy) that backs up whatever iPod I have attached, then zips the ipod backup into a handy cartable size. The iBook's home directory gets put into a DMG and placed on both of my ipods. Not too secure, but I don't have anything in my portable home that is worth anything to anyone.

Works well for what I do, and I even have off site backup of important files :) .

EGT
Jan 3, 2006, 08:50 PM
Nightly backup of home folder to internal cloned drive... but, but...

I'll do it right now. :eek:

See, I love this option. Backing up to another internal drive which is also cloned is just brilliant.

I hope Apple make a new low-end Intel desktop. Bring back the Quicksilver case! Then I can full it with hard drives and backup 'till my heart's content!

(God, I'm so sad :o )

cycocelica
Jan 3, 2006, 11:57 PM
I havent backed up in 6 months :eek: . I might want to soon though.

CanadaRAM
Jan 4, 2006, 12:21 AM
My major activity yesterday was maintenance on the Outlook Express email database.

First threw a 60 Gb drive (thanks, Duff) into my work machine (Beige G3) and copied over everything from the main drive. Then, I did a Compact Database on the Outlook Express.

If you are running Microsoft Outlook Express or Entourage, you should know that the database can get corrupted at any time. You need to include the email databases in your backup strategy.

Also, when you Empty the Deleted Items folder of all the spam and greeting cards misguided friends send you; your Email Database DOES NOT get any smaller. It stays bloated. (BTW: Apologies if any of you did send me any email greeting cards -- by policy they are all trashed without opening.)

Also: if your MS Outlook/Entourage mail database size hits 2 Gb - all #=!! breaks loose and you may end up with unusable mail. I hit 2 Gb about every 3 years worth of mail.

The solution is to rebuild, or Compact, the database.
First quit Outlook/Entourage and find your Outlook or Office or Enrourage identity folder on your drive. Confirm the size of your database and messages file(s).
(The folder may be in Documents: Microsoft User Data or it may be in the Outlook Express application folder itself.) Make sure by checking the modification dates that this is actually the real mail data -- I have seen machines with 4 and 5 different copies of mail, only one of which was the one in use.

May be a good idea to backup the Identities folders to DVD or CD at this point. OK, done?

Now MAKE SURE that you have more free space on your hard drive than the largest mail database file. If you do not have enough room on the drive it will not show you an error, it will complete the job and DELETE some of your mail-- and it wont tell you.

OK, now open Outlook/Entourage and weed out your spam, delete unneeded attachments, messages, etc, EMPTY the deleted items folder, then quit Outlook/Entourage.

Now open the program again while holding the Command key. It will ask you if you want to compact the database. Say yes. Go away for 2 hours.

When you come back, it will have saved your old databases with OLD on the names, and created new ones, which should be smaller, faster and more reliable. Check and see that all your most recent mail is there, and if it is good, you can throw out the OLD database files. If it is not good you can quit the program, and roll back by throwing out the newly created ones, and renaming the OLD ones back tot he original names.

This is a good procedure to do at least once per year, (which is why I do it first day back from New Years) and also if your MS mail program is getting flakey.

Thanks
Trevor
CanadaRAM.com

Clix Pix
Jan 4, 2006, 12:48 AM
Yessir, backing up on a daily basis, Sir! [snappy salute, clicking of heels]

4:00 PM sharp each day my backup software kicks into gear and does an incremental backup onto the external LaCie drive.... and once a month I will be doing a full backup and getting rid of all the incremental stuff. Haven't done that yet since this system has only been set up for a few weeks. Oh, I guess it IS nearly time for that next full backup....

Learned the value of having an external backup with my old PC and when I moved to the Mac, after a few weeks (when the pocketbook permitted again after my big plunge into Mac) I went out and bought the LaCie and set it up for regular backing up so that all my data would be covered and protected.

Absolutely it's important to have some sort of backup system in place, especially when one has (as I do) a substantial photos folder and an ever-growing iTunes library....

OTB

greatdevourer
Jan 4, 2006, 04:21 AM
Sorry for my ignorance here. What is the advantage to using something like CCC, as opposed to just dragging and dropping (copying)files/folders/whatever to the external drive icon on your desktop? The backup is bootable, instead of just being a load of folders ;)

My PC: RAID 0+1 0wnz j00 :p
Mum's PC: Every time I try to back it up using their tool, bad happens :p A backup of a 40GB HDD somehow becomes 250GB, and I can't be assed to wander round dragging/dropping, so I haven't touched that one in years
Cube: Never backed it up, but I may do what someone I know did and take out the internal DVD drive (which doesn't work too well anyway), stick another HDD in it and use a FW DVD±RW/DL drive
PowerBook: The important stuff (music, pr0n... oh, and the occaisional bit of coursework :p) get's backed up every so often

iMeowbot
Jan 4, 2006, 04:44 AM
And while you're at it, make sure you have a way to restore the stuff! If you use some odd backup software that doesn't store everything as regular files, or it's on a specialty device that requires drivers, make sure you have that software handy for a reinstall.

If you have old backups that you think might be important in the future, but need a drive you don't have any more, don't wait until you need the files to get them transferred onto something more modern. You could easily discover that the hardware is really hard to find once you need the stuff.

In the Mac world, 400/800K floppies, Bernoulli and Syquest cartridges come to mind. If you have such things hidden away, now would be a good time to hunt down a pack rat who has leftover toys that still work and can copy them onto something more current like CDs, while the old stuff still works.

Lacero
Jan 4, 2006, 04:47 AM
While I personally don't believe in backing up data, as it breeds complacency, some places do require it, so I will not argue about the need to backup.

Livin' life on the edge since 1995.

Here's to the Crazy Ones http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35452 (http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/movies/think-different.mov)

Platform
Jan 4, 2006, 05:06 AM
I'm in the process of getting there...just have to move gigs of data onto the Mac then the drive will be formatted and cloned. ;)

gekko513
Jan 4, 2006, 06:34 AM
Sir, yes, sir!

My method:
tar czf backup/backup-2006-01-04.tar.gz myfolder
scp backup/backup-2006-01-04.tar.gz gekko513@myserver:~/backup

Abstract
Jan 4, 2006, 07:32 AM
I got so scared of Doctor Q's booming, God-like voice that I even backed up my Address Book and Mozilla Firefox bookmarks. *looks around scared*

Palad1
Jan 4, 2006, 07:48 AM
Backed-up my personal data on the 1gb memory stick in my new treo 600.

Synched my address book as well. Lost all my contacts (the treo's memory was blank)

I suck.

hana
Jan 4, 2006, 08:25 AM
Okay....

I was mulling over what to do about the silly new version of backup and the way it puts all those incremental files up and down my LaCie firewire drive.

Looks like I will need to run a full back up instead of the incremental back up every time???

I back up iphoto libraries every week on a DVD. When it gets too big for a DVD, I make up a new library (iphoto library manager) (my libraries are mostly chronological)

I should probably back up the Documents and Mail at least monthly.

I got a CD shredder to get rid of real old back ups.

The consequences of not doing back up....I had a flashback to the Northridge earthquake where my homebrewed PC tower fell from the desk to the floor....clunk.....dead drive.....a month's work gone! :eek:

kretzy
Jan 4, 2006, 08:52 AM
I've never bothered backing up for a few reasons - I don't have anything THAT important in the first place and secondly I don't have anything to back up onto (the thought of having to use about 15 DVDs to back up all my files seems like a bit of a waste). HOWEVER, if you do have important stuff on your comp then back up!!!!

My cousin had 2 HDs in her PC, one had windows installed and on the other she kept all of her files etc. She did multimedia at uni, so she had about 3 years worth of designs, movies, photos, projects and assignments (all of which she needed for her portfolio when going for jobs and stuff). When Windows got a virus ( :p ) she tried doing a reinstall of Windows, but somehow she installed it on the drive with all of her data on it! So she ended up with NONE of her 3 years of work and possibly even worse, Windows installed twice on her PC.

As we can see the moral of the story is BACKUP! and get a Mac of course, to avoid the possibilities of viruses in the first place! ;)

emw
Jan 4, 2006, 09:02 AM
I run automatic daily backups both at home and at work. Almost lost some stuff earlier, so I'm very careful now.

Littleodie914
Jan 4, 2006, 09:33 AM
Dang! I'd buy two or three for that price!Yea, Best Buy usually has pretty good deals. A few weeks before X-Mas I bought a Seagate 300GB internal HD with an 8MB Buffer for $70! :D

EGT
Jan 4, 2006, 12:30 PM
Okay....

I was mulling over what to do about the silly new version of backup and the way it puts all those incremental files up and down my LaCie firewire drive.

Looks like I will need to run a full back up instead of the incremental back up every time???

The incremental backups only contain files/folders that have been changed from the full backup. That way, you aren't doing full backups all the time which would take up a lot of space.

Do the full backup every now and again, or if you've added/changed a lot of information.

thequicksilver
Jan 4, 2006, 01:39 PM
I finally managed to back up again today, having finally managed to finish, archive, and delete a 40GB iMovie project. In its place went a lovely disk image with my whole iBook's contents. :) Much better.

Jaffa Cake
Jan 4, 2006, 01:41 PM
Work Mac fully backed up before I left this evening, Doctor Q sir.

thequicksilver
Jan 4, 2006, 01:45 PM
Yea, Best Buy usually has pretty good deals. A few weeks before X-Mas I bought a Seagate 300GB internal HD with an 8MB Buffer for $70! :D

:mad: :mad: Cheapest I can find for one of those over here is about £80, around $130-150. :mad: :mad:

Mr Value Added Tax, I hate you with a passion. :(

sushi
Jan 4, 2006, 01:49 PM
Stop what you are doing and take a backup right now!

A co-worker of mine lost an important file today, which can happen to anyone at any time. He hadn't taken a backup for months so he couldn't simply restore the file.

I don't want you to suffer the same fate, so I'm ordering (not asking) you to take a backup. Do it now, today, tonite, or tomorrow at the latest. If you had other plans, tell people that Doctor Q didn't give you a choice. You'll thank me later.

If you think you have a valid excuse (no, a note from your mother is not good enough), let's hear it. Otherwise, get to work!
Where you on December 18th? :eek:

Luckily my data was backed up weekly. However, I have now gone to daily for certain files that change often.

Sux to loose data!

sushi
Jan 4, 2006, 01:53 PM
I havent backed up in 6 months :eek: . I might want to soon though.
Imagine loosing everything that you have.

Now would the third floor be high enough for ya?! ;)

cycocelica
Jan 4, 2006, 02:02 PM
Imagine loosing everything that you have.

Now would the third floor be high enough for ya?! ;)
yeah it probably wasnt the smartest thing I ever did(or never did :D ). But I am doing it as we speak. Sadly I dont have an external hard drive so I am putting it all on DVDs...YAY me

Edit: When I say all I mean just my songs and photos. The documents are usless to me now and nothing else is that important.

kainjow
Jan 4, 2006, 04:41 PM
I use Retrospect automatically every night at 3 AM to do a full backup of my hard drive to another internal hard drive. Works very well, although I will need a larger capacity backup drive soon.

Diatribe
Jan 4, 2006, 04:45 PM
Thanks for the reminder, a lot of people need it. I for one already have a backup plan that I follow vigorously.

Daily:
backup of important files, prefs, docs, etc. to my iDisk

Weekly:
backup of everything to my external HD

Monthly (now more semi-anually since I live some place else):
backup of everything to an off-site location HD

WildCowboy
Jan 4, 2006, 04:45 PM
Thanks Q...I just backed up my PB for the first time ever. (Having never had a hard drive die...knock on wood..., I never got in the habit of doing it.) Started with just a simple DVD burn of my home folder minus my music. I'm trying to decide whether to invest in an external drive for storage and backups (don't really need the storage at this point), or split up my current iTunes library onto five or six DVDs for backup. Of course, I could not do anything with my music and just have to re-rip all of my CDs if my HD suddenly fails and takes everything else with it...not a pleasant thought.

hana
Jan 4, 2006, 06:30 PM
The incremental backups only contain files/folders that have been changed from the full backup. That way, you aren't doing full backups all the time which would take up a lot of space.

Do the full backup every now and again, or if you've added/changed a lot of information.

Thanks EGT!
I change stuff weekly - taking pictures and such.
So I should probably do a weekly full back up...I'd think....

atari1356
Jan 4, 2006, 07:00 PM
I try to back my files up fairly often, although I should probably do it more than I do now.

At work there is no provision for backing up files... so, I back stuff up off of my work computer onto my own personal external hard drive. :rolleyes: I'm not about to lose a bunch of work to a hard drive failure and have to redo it all...

jlgrafix
Jan 5, 2006, 09:47 AM
Great reminder!

Does anyone have any recommendations for back-up software? One that only backsup files that have been edited. I deal with very large files and have about 60 gig of current work that needs to back-uped regualary, not just when ever I think about it.

I see someone uses retrospect but at $90 I think it's a little pricey.

Jen

Palad1
Jan 5, 2006, 09:59 AM
I see someone uses retrospect but at $90 I think it's a little pricey.


How much do you value your data? :D

There's a nice shell script for backing-up incrementally here: http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/ and see the osx faq here : http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/FAQ.html#OSX

(basically : use sudo fink install rdiff-backup )

Applespider
Jan 5, 2006, 10:00 AM
Does anyone have any recommendations for back-up software? One that only backsup files that have been edited.

Superduper! makes incremental backups very well if you buy the full version of it. I think it's $25? Before it's registered, it will only make complete clones.

Lacero
Jan 5, 2006, 10:01 AM
Does anyone have any recommendations for back-up software?
I use SilverKeeper (http://www.lacie.com/silverkeeper/). And it's free.

MattG
Jan 5, 2006, 10:11 AM
Good advice, Doctor Q.

I try to keep a current backup of my most important personal stuff, and I backup the contents of our Xserve each week. You can never be too safe.

Sark
Jan 5, 2006, 11:02 AM
"take a backup" ?

It would sound much better if you said simply asked (or in this case told:p ) everyone to backup their files, not to take a backup.

Sorry, I'm just being picky:)

As far as backing up goes, using some cheap CD-Rs or CD-RWs always does the trick for me.

grapes911
Jan 5, 2006, 11:07 AM
"take a backup" ?

"Take a backup" is a well-known and much used phrase in the technology world.

You take a snapshot, take a screen shot, take video, etc. You are preserving something in some format. "taking a backup" is not different. You are preserving files on you system.

Plus, you should never question Doctor Q. I believe that is like the twelfth or thirteenth commandment. :p

Lacero
Jan 5, 2006, 11:09 AM
"Take a backup" is a well-known and much used phrase in the technology world.
What about in the porn world?

For a moment there after glancing at the thread title, I thought Doctor Q had lost it. :p

Here's to the Crazy Ones http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35452 (http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/movies/think-different.mov)

grapes911
Jan 5, 2006, 11:12 AM
What about in the porn world?
I like your thought. In the porn world, anything goes. Especially when we are talking about getting anything back up. :p

2nyRiggz
Jan 5, 2006, 04:33 PM
thanks Q...backed up my HD lastnight with silverkeeper and plus put some important apps on CDR & DVD.....you just got to love MR.

Bless

iGary
Jan 5, 2006, 04:34 PM
Just got a second FW Drive.

One backup on one partition, run weekly.

Aperture vault on the other partition.

One HDD totally dedicated with a bootable backup.

I'd be out of business if I lost data.

Diatribe
Jan 5, 2006, 04:36 PM
Just got a second FW Drive.

One backup on one partition, run weekly.

Aperture vault on the other partition.

One HDD totally dedicated with a bootable backup.

I'd be out of business if I lost data.

Yeah but now the most important question... do you also have an off-site backup?

atari1356
Jan 6, 2006, 08:17 AM
I use SilverKeeper (http://www.lacie.com/silverkeeper/). And it's free.

I recommend SilverKeeper as well... it works great, and you can't beat the price.

EssentialParado
Jan 7, 2006, 05:45 AM
I had been getting a lot of signs to take a backup recently. Then seeing this thread just caused me to spend $300 on a firewire external drive I'd been meaning to get for the past 2 years. Heh. I guess I should thank you... yeah, thank you for maxxing out my credit card. Whoever says he's not getting paid royalties by HDD manufacturers is lying.

Sark
Jan 12, 2006, 12:39 PM
"Take a backup" is a well-known and much used phrase in the technology world.

You take a snapshot, take a screen shot, take video, etc. You are preserving something in some format. "taking a backup" is not different. You are preserving files on you system.

Plus, you should never question Doctor Q. I believe that is like the twelfth or thirteenth commandment. :p

Really? I feel stupid, lol. Oh well, the logic makes sense, even if it is terrible english. Thanks for the explanation.

I must also commend you your avatar, what an excellent choice (mega-man).

dops7107
Jan 12, 2006, 01:12 PM
<snip detailed instructions>

Now open the program again while holding the Command key. It will ask you if you want to compact the database. Say yes. Go away for 2 hours.


Thanks Trev/CanadaRAM for that - most useful and easy to forget. May I please point out that it is the Option key you should press while starting Entourage, not the Command key. :)

Otherwise Doc Q.: consider back up done. Upgrading to 10.4 soon anyway so it was on my to-do list :o

Abulia
Jan 12, 2006, 03:12 PM
I do a complete clone onto my FW LaCie 500 GB drive weekly. The drive is even bootable should I have to. Takes about 20 minutes so I just go do something else.

emw
Jan 12, 2006, 03:17 PM
"Take a backup" is a well-known and much used phrase in the technology world.To paraphrase (I believe) George Carlin - "why is it 'take a backup'? Don't you really leave a backup?"

atszyman
Jan 25, 2006, 08:13 AM
I should have listened to Doctor Q. Luckily Karma is being somewhat nice to me this week, although nice is a subjective term.

Saturday afternoon/evening/night was spend running and re-running virus scans and spy ware sweepers on my PC due to a recent infection from either a bit torrent download or the fact that I had opened a router port for bit torrent (of course maybe that's my punishment for the questionable ethics of what I was downloading). After 8-9 hours everything was scanning clean.

Last night after getting home very late from work/school I was hearing a strange noise from my PC which sounded like one or both of the hard drives. So I set up the 300 GB External drive to do a back up and sure enough it won't let me backup one of the drives. Luckily after a series of shutdowns, boots, with various combinations of the hard drives connected I managed to get the drive up and copy the contents to the external drive. I also managed to get copies of some of the hard to re-create information to my wife's computer as well.

Realizing I am/was lucky not to lose any of the data on the drive I have over-engineered a solution to be as bulletproof as I can make it, assuming I can get funding approval from my wife.

I'm going to put a mirrored RAID array into my PC at home consisting of 2 250 GB drives. My laptop and wife's PC will be backed up to my PC weekly. With a monthly backup of my PC to the external drive which will be stored at my workplace. I know this is complete overkill but I have been too overconfident in the past and thinking about it last night and the data that could have been lost, I am now in complete "prevent" mode.

Whigga Spitta
Jan 25, 2006, 09:46 AM
after having my harddrive fail on my two weeks ago, i've been more consciencious of backing my files up. after reading this thread (and looking at my backup) it seems i'm doing something wrong...i'm simply backing up my 'users' folder, should i be backing up my whole harddrive?

i don't neccessarily want to back up OS X (it's a USB 2 harddrive, hence not bootable) but i would like my programs, etc. can someone recommend a useful method for this?

thanks (i've been using Silver Keeper)

iPhil
Jan 28, 2006, 10:09 AM
Thanks Doctor Q for ordering me to do a Back-up of my Mac .. I'll do another back-up today,trying do 'weekly' back-up routine on the mac..


Something that my dad said was 'Why do i need do a back-up on the mac?':confused: :confused:



My answer was so if my internal hard drive fails i can quickly restore my files etc without trying using the windows to retrieve the files again and re-import them in Tiger..:D :D

annk
Feb 6, 2006, 05:18 AM
I usually only back up my home folder, about once every 4-6 weeks, and I was thinking about backing up my apps as well when I came across this thread.

So now I´m backing up my entire HD with CCC, onto my iOmega firewire external HD. I chose bootable in the CCC prefs, but am a bit confused about the difference between bootable and disk image. (I didn´t mark disk image in the prefs, only bootable.)

I understand that I can boot the computer from a bootable backup and that this is great if my HD dies, and since I chose bootable and am backing up to a FW HD, I assume I´m fine there. But what are the pros and cons of having the backup as a disk image?

big
Feb 6, 2006, 05:43 AM
During a system crash, you couldn't open the disc image to boot the mac would you?

I assume the disc image could be compressed, or encrypted etc...

annk
Feb 6, 2006, 05:49 AM
During a system crash, you couldn't open the disc image to boot the mac would you?

I assume the disc image could be compressed, or encrypted etc...

I´m not sure I understand what you´re saying. Isn´t the whole point of having the backup on a separate HD, so that you can do just that - boot from it to your computer, in the case of a system crash (or if the computer´s HD dies)?

And - are you saying that the advantage to a disc image is that you can compress and/or encrypt it? That part makes sense to me, from a space-saving and security standpoint. Are there any disadvantages to a disc image backup?

One thing I wonder about, is to what extent I can extract specific files from the two types of backups. Lets say I lose an app, or one file. I only want to get that specific thing out of my backup, not do an entire restore of everything. Can I extract single files or groups of files from both a disc image backup and a non-disc image backup?

big
Feb 6, 2006, 05:56 AM
I´m not sure I understand what you´re saying. Isn´t the whole point of having the backup on a separate HD, so that you can do just that - boot from it to your computer, in the case of a system crash (or if the computer´s HD dies)?
Not if its in a disc image, how do you launch the disc image when the Mac's HD crashed, or some other system failure?

And - are you saying that the advantage to a disc image is that you can compress and/or encrypt it? That part makes sense to me, from a space-saving and security standpoint. Are there any disadvantages to a disc image backup?
Yes, you can not boot straight off a disc image, it must be opened for a computer to see what's in it, and recognize that it is usable info. Thus, during a system crash, how can you extract the contents of the disc image, when you need the system to open the image?

One thing I wonder about, is to what extent I can extract specific files from the two types of backups. Lets say I lose an app, or one file. I only want to get that specific thing out of my backup, not do an entire restore of everything. Can I extract single files or groups of files from both a disc image backup and a non-disc image backup?
Depends on your software, I like Retrospect, but if your simply opening an exact duplicate, you should just be able to drag and drop eh? Give it a try and see how it works for you....

Mudbug
May 16, 2007, 09:03 PM
Hi all -
As you all probably know, I'm a big proponent of backing up information on the computer. Enough so that I back up my working jobs and other information nightly as a "just-in-case" precaution.

I got to use the backup today.

This is the second time in less than a year.

On different hard drives.

My main working drive that contains every working job for the last decent amount of time decided it didn't need to be used anymore as of about 10:00 a.m. this morning, giving me a lovely "crunching" sound as it went out. My heart rate increased, as did my blood pressure I'm sure, and I proceeded to vocally ask it nicely to come back to life (insert expletive here). It, as you've figured out by now, didn't come back.

So I'm passing along a little bit of wisdom to you while I wait for the backup to recover to a shiny new hard drive that will become my _new_ backup drive. If you rely completely on the information on your computers, here's some words to live (and recover) by:

1) Always make your newest drive your backup. You need it to be healthier than your older drives.
2) Actually back up. Don't just say you do, and don't do an incomplete job of it.
3) If you use backup software, use one that leaves your data in a state that it can be easily recovered even WITHOUT the program that did the backup. You'll thank me for that later.
4) Have a list of email recipients ready to send a bulk mail to letting them know of the crash so they can stop expecting things from you for the immediate future while you recover.

Have a great day, and thank God, your lucky stars, or whatever that you aren't doing what I'm doing right now.

hana
May 17, 2007, 07:42 PM
Well, a couple of weeks ago the firewire cable got tripped and the LaCie Porsche 250GB ended up getting amnesia!

I bought myself a 320GB Maxtor 1 touch at costco. I am going to set it up this weekend and will take Mudbug's advice to make it my back up drive. The LaCie, which seems to be working now, I've turned off the switch when not using it and will probably use it to store photos for the last seven years...I had it on the LaCie before the crash, but will now restore it from DVD/CD.
I've been told that DVD/CD don't last that long, but they've outlasted my two last external back up drive crashes.

Blue Velvet
Nov 6, 2010, 04:26 PM
Almost ten years and a couple of terabytes worth of everything — work, emails, music, pictures, accounts — almost wiped away a few days ago in the space of a handful of minutes by a flaky boot drive that, with little warning, started slowing the Mac down and then the ticks of doom... before it stopped working entirely. Some messing around with enclosures just to test the drive... no dice.

All (almost) recovered immediately with a clone that I do at least once per day to a matching external with SuperDuper. I've never trusted Time Machine and would hate to wait for hours to restore it to a new drive. However, sorting out a new backup for that has been a pain for various reasons, but I'm now properly up and running again.

Doctor Q and Blue Velvet order you to take a backup. Now. Don't make me come over there.

*LTD*
Nov 6, 2010, 05:15 PM
Time Machine. It's on. :cool:

*Really* important files are backed up to MobileMe. Cloud FTW.

MacDawg
Nov 6, 2010, 05:17 PM
Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner every night as well
We won't get fooled again...

Heilage
Nov 6, 2010, 05:19 PM
Back your **** up, people.

I had a customer lose the last pictures of his now dead father a while back, due to a catastrofic drive failure. There are some things that are irreplacable.

Drives fail. Sometimes without any warning whatsoever. One backup isn't enough.

BACK YOUR **** UP! :)

n8mac
Nov 6, 2010, 05:20 PM
Yes it is important. I noticed the other day that both my Mac and my dads PC at work had no backups. (They used to but long story short they haven't in months)

So I bought a 250GB external Firewire slim drive and it so handy. I just partitioned it out so that each comp has its own space. Better yet since it's portable I moved it back and forth between work and home and it is safe incase something happened like a fire where the comps are.

KingYaba
Nov 6, 2010, 05:28 PM
Go get yourself a free 2GB Ubuntu One account.

My stuff is mirrored on two hard drives plus some in the cloud and others on physical media...

roadbloc
Nov 6, 2010, 06:04 PM
Time machine. 1tb western digital. Easiest backups ever.
I also backup my home folder to my MobileMe iDisk.

steve knight
Nov 6, 2010, 06:14 PM
OI got you guys beat. use dropbox to mirror my business files work and home plus I bought the version saved forever (that has saved my butt a few times) time capsule to back up the mac at home idrive to back up those work files again (under 2 gigs so free) mozy to backup everything. and mobleme to backup my mail and my business files again. once in awhile I backup all my music about 200 gigs and take that drive to work.

dmmcintyre3
Nov 6, 2010, 06:39 PM
If it is important, it ends up in 2-3 buildings.

Databases on my web server:
1 has the "live" copy, and one in the same state and another in another state.

Files on my web server:
a server in another state. Standard cPanel full backup.

My computer:
Manual upload of important stuff to my web server.

gnasher729
Nov 6, 2010, 06:42 PM
Almost ten years and a couple of terabytes worth of everything — work, emails, music, pictures, accounts — almost wiped away a few days ago in the space of a handful of minutes by a flaky boot drive that, with little warning, started slowing the Mac down and then the ticks of doom... before it stopped working entirely. Some messing around with enclosures just to test the drive... no dice.

All (almost) recovered immediately with a clone that I do at least once per day to a matching external with SuperDuper. I've never trusted Time Machine and would hate to wait for hours to restore it to a new drive. However, sorting out a new backup for that has been a pain for various reasons, but I'm now properly up and running again.

Doctor Q and Blue Velvet order you to take a backup. Now. Don't make me come over there.

This must be the record of thread resurrection - a seven year old thread! But this is one that is really worth bringing back once a year. One Terabyte external drive = £50. And every single hard drive ever made _will_ day one day, completely inevitable. Compared to any other way of spending money on a Macintosh, this is by far the best. The cheapest external drive + Time Machine turns complete disaster into a mere annoyance. And remember, that disaster is inevitable if you don't have a backup drive. It's not bad luck, it _will_ happen.

CaptMurdock
Nov 6, 2010, 10:41 PM
Back your **** up, people.

I had a customer lose the last pictures of his now dead father a while back, due to a catastrofic drive failure. There are some things that are irreplacable.

Drives fail. Sometimes without any warning whatsoever. One backup isn't enough.

BACK YOUR **** UP! :)

+1. Eight years ago, I had just scanned in photos of my wife's deceased dad (we interred the originals with his ashes) and our five-year-old son erases a whole volume of my drive -- before I have a chance to back those photos up. Arrrrgh.

I'm old-school...I still use CDs and DVDs to backup! (Hey, at least I migrated from Zip disks completely...) I've got files going back almost twenty years, to my first Mac.

Corndog5595
Nov 6, 2010, 10:44 PM
Stop what you are doing and take a backup right now!

A co-worker of mine lost an important file today, which can happen to anyone at any time. He hadn't taken a backup for months so he couldn't simply restore the file.

I don't want you to suffer the same fate, so I'm ordering (not asking) you to take a backup. Do it now, today, tonite, or tomorrow at the latest. If you had other plans, tell people that Doctor Q didn't give you a choice. You'll thank me later.

If you think you have a valid excuse (no, a note from your mother is not good enough), let's hear it. Otherwise, get to work!

Way ahead of you
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