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JackAxe

Mar 9, 2008, 03:54 AM

Don't discount the Wii. ;) Capcom basically stated that they're not going to be limited by hardware specs, since rules are more important. It's why I still love SF2 over any of this modern blah. But on that note, the videos I've seen of actual gameplay look like something that would be on a Wii.

I'll have to kill if it doesn't come my precious! :mad: La la la. :)

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johny5

Mar 9, 2008, 03:58 AM

I hope the in game gfx will be cell shaded! :) might be different...

wonder if they were in game shots with the "shaky cam" mode? might make me sick playing LOL

JackAxe

Mar 9, 2008, 04:05 AM

I'm sure whoever you're fighting will be quite happy if you get sick, since they would most likely win that match. :)

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johny5

Mar 9, 2008, 04:14 AM

HAHA! to be honest I do love the SF series, but for whatever reason (maybe age! :( ) i dont manage to get very far due to the over complex button techniques.
ok yes, it is age.....

plumpan

Mar 9, 2008, 04:56 AM

i believe the lack of popularity for fighting games nowadays is partially due to the high learning curve for the basics (complex motions, spacing, etc.). in order to even begin to appreciate the game and start having fun playing the game as it was meant to be played, requires high level mind games with an equally skilled opponent... actual THINKING - something the average gamer does not wanna bother with these days :p

heres to hoping sf4 will bring back the golden days of arcades. while this is highly unlikely, i would at least be satisfied if the game garners enough popularity to have a strong, competitive, online player base.

plumpan

Mar 9, 2008, 04:59 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI7Auo4noYU

heres a promotional trailer from the AOU show in japan. the game is about 50% complete still.

johny5

Mar 9, 2008, 05:07 AM

ZOMG that looks great!

I think no matter how hard they tried to keep SF 2d with moving on to imitated 3d it never seemed to work imho and I hated those 3d versions.

this however looks like they may have cracked it :p

plumpan

Mar 9, 2008, 05:26 AM

yep i totally agree with you. they seem to finally have the technology to use 3d graphics and still retain true 2d gameplay!

i also hope that the reason the sf series has been neglected these past years is because of the "old" 2d graphics. hopefully this refreshed look will attract a wide audience.

koobcamuk

Mar 9, 2008, 04:45 PM

It's amazing how Street Fighter is only up to version 4 (I know there's many games!) after all these years.

If it can match Capcom vs. SNK 2: Millionaire Fighting 2001 in terms of speed and gameplay - count me in because it looks awesome.

mkrishnan

Mar 9, 2008, 04:57 PM

I can't believe this game series is still going! And with basically the same characters and moves! LOL and sound effects firmly planted in the early 90s also! :) But it does look gorgeous.

Don't discount the Wii. ;)

If I can shoryuken with the Wiimote, I might buy a Wii just for that. :D

JackAxe

Mar 9, 2008, 05:18 PM

That would probably be dangerous. :p

I watched my friend's nephews play Mortal Kombat on the Wii and they were jumping around like monkeys. I tried playing it and got beat by the youngest -- only 4 years old.

Anyway, I have my Cube Arcade Sticks for all arcade fighting action. :) Hori has also released some new Wii Arcade sticks.

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JackAxe

Mar 9, 2008, 05:20 PM

HAHA! to be honest I do love the SF series, but for whatever reason (maybe age! :( ) i dont manage to get very far due to the over complex button techniques.
ok yes, it is age.....

What are you pushing 60 with arthritis? :confused: :p

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plumpan

Mar 9, 2008, 05:27 PM

Anyway, I have my Cube Arcade Sticks for all arcade fighting action. :) Hori has also released some new Wii Arcade sticks.

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I might pick up the HORI Wii stick along with Guilty Gear: Accent Core. Here is a partial collection of the sticks I have laying around.

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mkrishnan

Mar 9, 2008, 05:32 PM

That would probably be dangerous. :p

Especially if I do it with the strong punch button, and my fist turns into flame! :eek: ;)

plumpan

Mar 9, 2008, 06:12 PM

Especially if I do it with the strong punch button, and my fist turns into flame! :eek: ;)

actually that would require the FIERCE punch button ;) :D :D

mkrishnan

Mar 9, 2008, 06:14 PM

Fierce! That's the word I was looking for! OMG, that game! It singlehandedly dropped the GPAs of my two best friends freshman year by a point each.... :D

plumpan

Mar 9, 2008, 06:20 PM

lol.... you should give it a try : )

JackAxe

Mar 9, 2008, 06:29 PM

I have SF2 and SF2 Turbo for SNES on VC and Capcom vs SNK. I still play them at least once or twice a month. It's all muscle action. :)

And you have way too many sticks plumpan! :eek: Have you considered sharing?!! And where did the button go.. :o

I got mine on eBay for $32 each.

Ken is the BESTEST BEST CHARACTER! Anyone stating otherwise is a liar! :mad: I'm a fascist SF2 player. :)

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I forgot about Guilty Gear: Accent Core. Tx! :D

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Pine-Tree

Mar 11, 2008, 01:29 AM

I might pick up the HORI Wii stick along with Guilty Gear: Accent Core. Here is a partial collection of the sticks I have laying around.

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That is a lot of sticks...I had some Hori sticks for both the 360 and PS3, but made the switch and imported a Virtual Stick High Grade by Sega modded to work for both systems since it's originally designed to work only with PS3. This stick is awesome and blew me away. All Sanwa JLF component parts and if you're into Virtual Fighter 5 like me, using the same layout and everything which is a huge plus.

Waiting for the HD version of Street Fighter 2 to hit Live and PSN, and of course Street Fighter 4 whenever it comes out.

plumpan

Mar 11, 2008, 01:50 AM

That is a lot of sticks...I had some Hori sticks for both the 360 and PS3, but made the switch and imported a Virtual Stick High Grade by Sega modded to work for both systems since it's originally designed to work only with PS3. This stick is awesome and blew me away. All Sanwa JLF component parts and if you're into Virtual Fighter 5 like me, using the same layout and everything which is a huge plus.

Waiting for the HD version of Street Fighter 2 to hit Live and PSN, and of course Street Fighter 4 whenever it comes out.

lucky!!!! i want that stick.... i wish i had the time to devote to learn VF5. its a great game, but extremely high learning curve... not to mention not much competition for it here in norcal.

im waiting for SF HD as well, but i would be playing it on xbox live as i dont have a ps3.

BoyBach

Mar 11, 2008, 11:32 AM

Ken is the BESTEST BEST CHARACTER! Anyone stating otherwise is a liar! :mad: I'm a fascist SF2 player. :)

Surely we can all agree that Mr E. Honda rules the SF2 universe! :cool:

Antares

Mar 11, 2008, 12:36 PM

Ken is the BESTEST BEST CHARACTER! Anyone stating otherwise is a liar! :mad: I'm a fascist SF2 player. :)

Surely we can all agree that Mr E. Honda rules the SF2 universe! :cool:

Pfft. You are both wrong. The consensus is that Guile is the best.

P-Worm

Mar 11, 2008, 12:59 PM

Pfft. You are both wrong. The consensus is that Guile is the best.

You guys are crazy. It's all about Blanka.

P-Worm

JackAxe

Mar 11, 2008, 05:34 PM

OMG!!

It went from E Honda(cheese), to Guile(more cheese), to Blanka(UBER CHEESE!). Where's the Bison post! :D

At least play a character that takes skill guys. :p :o Look at me, I can hold my joystick back, or down, or press my button repeatedly to do my special move. :D

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Pine-Tree

Mar 11, 2008, 09:15 PM

lucky!!!! i want that stick.... i wish i had the time to devote to learn VF5. its a great game, but extremely high learning curve... not to mention not much competition for it here in norcal.

im waiting for SF HD as well, but i would be playing it on xbox live as i dont have a ps3.

Yeah, VF5 takes some time if you really want to play it, but that's what makes it so great. I have the 360 version so I play online all the time, there's a large active community of online players so you shouldn't run into that problem of local competition. I play japanese players (experts) online all the time too.

I'll probably get the 360 version of SF HD as well only because Live is much better than PSN. The only thing though is that I read that the textures are going to be scaled down because of size limits Microsoft has on arcade games. PSN version won't have that problem.

That means making a choice between the better graphics version (PS3) vs. online play (360), I'm going with the community and getting the 360 version.

twoodcc

Mar 11, 2008, 11:26 PM

i'm also looking forward to this game

JackAxe

Mar 12, 2008, 01:57 AM

That is a lot of sticks...I had some Hori sticks for both the 360 and PS3, but made the switch and imported a Virtual Stick High Grade by Sega modded to work for both systems since it's originally designed to work only with PS3. This stick is awesome and blew me away. All Sanwa JLF component parts and if you're into Virtual Fighter 5 like me, using the same layout and everything which is a huge plus.

Waiting for the HD version of Street Fighter 2 to hit Live and PSN, and of course Street Fighter 4 whenever it comes out.

That stick looks awesome. I went looking for one, but PlayAsia is sold out. :(

Do you have 2 for local play? :)

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Antares

Mar 12, 2008, 10:48 AM

OMG!!

It went from E Honda(cheese), to Guile(more cheese), to Blanka(UBER CHEESE!). Where's the Bison post! :D

I don't think that Bison is going to be in Street Fighter 4. Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if we each say that a different character is better, how will we ever settle this?

BoyBach

Mar 12, 2008, 11:22 AM

But if we each say that a different character is better, how will we ever settle this?

A SF2 arcade machine + winner stays on tournament? :D

Pine-Tree

Mar 12, 2008, 11:50 AM

That stick looks awesome. I went looking for one, but PlayAsia is sold out. :(

Do you have 2 for local play? :)

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Only have one at the moment, but plan on getting another one soon. The VSHG is the stick to end all sticks when comparing parts, official height, etc. of the board. All the specs that Japan uses for official tournaments, it doesn't get better than that.

I got mine from PlayAsia, and usually they have it stock so you can try again in a couple days if you really want one. They are sort of expensive when compared to other sticks, but a bargain when you realize what you're getting. The stick destroys everything else, even other sticks that are 3 times the price. It's highly recommended if you play fighting games a lot.

The thing is that you have to rip it apart and mod if you want to have it play for both 360 and PS3, even wii if you really wanted to. I had to buy an extra 360 pad controller, the switch, and mic input you see on the left of the pic., and have a buddy solder everything and put everything inside. It's very worth it if you know what you're doing. A lot of the Virtual Fighter community has done it.

If you want to go all hardcore, you can always create your own custom cabinet with two VSHG sticks so you can play all your fighting games in true arcade style like someone is doing right now....

plumpan

Mar 12, 2008, 12:38 PM

plumpan

Mar 12, 2008, 12:45 PM

A SF2 arcade machine + winner stays on tournament? :D

depends which version of SF2 you guys are talking about. going by SF2: Super Turbo (or ST as its called), which is the tournament standard game for the SF2 series:

http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Super_Street_Fighter_2_Turbo#Tiers

the list is just a general guideline based on almost 15 years of tournament results.

heres a nice blog i like to read for ST videos and info:

http://curryallergy.blogspot.com/

Pine-Tree

Mar 12, 2008, 06:40 PM

damn, nice cabinet dude! cant wait to see that thing done...

I heard microsoft agreed to remove the size restriction just for SF HD, due to the time and effort spent making it.

also, capcom reveals a new character to appear in sf4 today: EL FUERTE.

http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader599331.jpg

I cant wait to see how he plays.

It's not my cabinet (wish it was...) it's this guy from Los Angeles who's doing it. I was just posting a pic to show you guys. Maybe one day I'll do something similar.

The new SF4 character looks a lot like El Blaze from VF5, mexican lucha libre type of fighter. Wonder if he's gonna play the same. El Fuerte means "the strong one" in spanish.

JackAxe

Mar 12, 2008, 09:12 PM

I think I know why PlayAsia is sold out, there was a recall on that stick last year. :(

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plumpan

Mar 12, 2008, 09:39 PM

It's not my cabinet (wish it was...) it's this guy from Los Angeles who's doing it. I was just posting a pic to show you guys. Maybe one day I'll do something similar.

The new SF4 character looks a lot like El Blaze from VF5, mexican lucha libre type of fighter. Wonder if he's gonna play the same. El Fuerte means "the strong one" in spanish.

yup, i think its a neat idea for a character. im pretty sure he won't play like el blaze. knowing capcom, he might have some pretty wacky special moves. i am a big fan of using grapplers for fun (although ive never used them as my primary characters), so zangief, abel, and el fuerte are gonna be interesting. from what i have read so far, zangief appears to be very strong in sf4.

Pine-Tree

Mar 13, 2008, 01:33 AM

I think I know why PlayAsia is sold out, there was a recall on that stick last year. :(

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Yeah, but that was early last year when Sega just released the stick in Japan. That problem has been fixed for a while now. I've had mine for a couple months, and haven't had a problem with it at all. If you really want one you can try other stores that might have it in stock, but I still recommend PlayAsia for all that type of stuff.

plumpan

Mar 13, 2008, 03:55 AM

Yeah, but that was early last year when Sega just released the stick in Japan. That problem has been fixed for a while now. I've had mine for a couple months, and haven't had a problem with it at all. If you really want one you can try other stores that might have it in stock, but I still recommend PlayAsia for all that type of stuff.

how did you mod your VSHG to work with 360 as well as PS3? all my 20 sticks are ps2 and dreamcast... I want a good stick to use for both Tekken5: DR (ps3) and SF:HD (x360).

Pine-Tree

Mar 13, 2008, 02:32 PM

how did you mod your VSHG to work with 360 as well as PS3? all my 20 sticks are ps2 and dreamcast... I want a good stick to use for both Tekken5: DR (ps3) and SF:HD (x360).

You need the VSHG, a 360 controller that has ground (I choose a madcatz arcade stick), a switch so you can change systems with, and mic input if you want one.

You then have to open up the box, take apart the extra controller with ground and fit it inside. Solder everything together with switch, and if you did everything correctly, you'll have a working VSHG that works for both systems with no lag. Awesome stuff, I had someone do it for me cause he's done a few already. These pics show the process somewhat...

plumpan

Mar 13, 2008, 03:00 PM

You need the VSHG, a 360 controller that has ground (I choose a madcatz arcade stick), a switch so you can change systems with, and mic input if you want one.

You then have to open up the box, take apart the extra controller with ground and fit it inside. Solder everything together with switch, and if you did everything correctly, you'll have a working VSHG that works for both systems with no lag. Awesome stuff, I had someone do it for me cause he's done a few already. These pics show the process somewhat...

sounds like a fun project :cool: ! how much did you pay for your VSHG anywhoo?

JackAxe

Mar 13, 2008, 03:33 PM

I was digging some more, the Sega stick uses Sanwa parts, so it's truly UBER. If I can't get one, the other option would be the high end Hori, but it's buttons aren't Sanwa, so not as good.

I'm going upgrade my sticks to honor of SF4 coming to the Wii, so it better happen. :)

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OK, I want one of these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmeKY5L_NMI) instead, it has 5 different kinds of da functions and was designed based on human: :eek:

Pine-Tree

Mar 13, 2008, 06:43 PM

sounds like a fun project :cool: ! how much did you pay for your VSHG anywhoo?

Well the VSHG is $80 from PlayAsia, but shipping it from Hong Kong costs $40, so $120 just for the stick. Madcatz Arcade stick was $20 from Gamestop. Switch, mic input and all other things were around another $20, and labor for the person who did all the work to put it together.

Everything comes to about $200, which is still cheaper than higher end sticks you can order. If you can solder and stuff, you can do the labor yourself and save some cash.

I was digging some more, the Sega stick uses Sanwa parts, so it's truly UBER. If I can't get one, the other option would be the high end Hori, but it's buttons aren't Sanwa, so not as good.

I'm going upgrade my sticks to honor of SF4 coming to the Wii, so it better happen. :)

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OK, I want one of these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmeKY5L_NMI) instead, it has 5 different kinds of da functions and was designed based on human: :eek:

Sanwa parts are awesome, and the VSHG has all the buttons through connections, not soldered in, so that if you want to replace them in the future it's a snap. Not only that, but it's based on the blastcity layout and parts, in other words, it's the EXACT same materials and board they use for the arcade machines in Japan and official tournaments, how can you top that??

Is SF4 coming to the Wii?? Thought it was just arcades, 360, and PS3? That youtube vid is really funny!!

JackAxe

Mar 13, 2008, 08:09 PM

It's only coming to the arcade right now. Capcom hasn't officially slated it for any console. :)

This is what Yoshinori Ono stated about multi-platform:
We’re not looking to release it on a certain platform first and use that to collect info as a beta test and tune the game we’re instead taking the opposite approach, by assessing the strengths and weaknesses of each platform and making a version to sit each platform as needed.

He also stated this:
Street Fighter IV, as it stands now, would be well-suited for the higher-level platforms. But the game doesn't have to have these visuals in order to be fun. We could go, potentially, to the Wii. We could make it on Game Boy, for all we know right now.

As long as the rules are the same, that can be independent of the visuals. So we're not going to be limited by any hardware specs; we're going to aim as wide as possible

SFxxx is a game that definitely doesn't need the top tiered graphics to be fun. I still like the SNES version of SF2 way better than any modern fighter.

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I found some UK shops that have that joystick, but they want £89. With the US dollar sucking right now, that would be a pricey venture. I can wait, but what you stated about the buttons sounds awesome.

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