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zimv20
Nov 1, 2003, 07:00 PM
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Army attacks Iraq wedding
By BILL KACZOR
02nov03

TWO US soldiers who marched down the aisle with Iraqi brides are to face a court martial.

"They've been formally charged with disobeying an order - no fraternising with the Iraqi people," said Vicki McKee, mother of one of the soldiers.

Her son, Sergeant Sean Blackwell, 27, married a English-speaking Iraqi physician, 25, in August.

They exchanged vows during a double ceremony with Blackwell's friend Corporal Brett Dagen, 37, and another Iraqi doctor in her mid 20s.

Both women had been working with US troops.

"How could they go to Iraq and not be friendly and fraternise?" Mrs McKee told the New York Post.

Mrs McKee said her main priority was to get her daughter-in-law to the US.

"She's in danger," Mrs McKee said. "News of their marriage is all over Arabic TV, and they've shown her photo. I'm so scared for her and my son."

Blackwell and Dagen, members of the Florida National Guard, converted to Islam a week before the wedding.

The men had expected to return to Florida last month, but a new Army policy that requires troops to remain in Iraq for 12 months will keep them there until April.

Mrs McKee, who said the Army was trying to prevent the women from going to the US, has delivered letters from her son and his wife to Florida Representative Jeff Miller.

Dan McFaul, a spokesman for Mr Miller, said the congressman could do nothing until the women requested visas.

Blackwell's wife, now working as an interpreter for a US firm in Baghdad, wrote that the Army had prevented him from contacting her since the wedding.

"Is this freedom in US?" she wrote. "Where is the human right? Where is justice?"

Dagen's mother, Lav erne Warren, said her son was also not permitted to contact his Iraqi wife.

An Army spokesman at the Pentagon referred questions to officials in Iraq, who refused to comment.

Lieutenant Colonel Ron Tittle, spokesman for the Florida National Guard, said the soldiers' commander, Lt-Col. Thad Hill, was worried the marriages might distract his troops from their mission and compromise their safety.

In his letter to Mr Miller, Blackwell said the Army Inspector General's office had told him he could not be punished for marrying, but he could be disciplined for disobeying an order.

Blackwell added that a sergeant major who opposed the marriage told him "Muslims and Christians just don't jive together".

HOME-LEAVE TROOPS FLEE

MORE than 30 US soldiers are missing after being given a two-week break from combat in Iraq.

The troops were among 1300 in the first large-scale home-leave program since the Vietnam War.

Some are thought to have genuine reasons for not catching flights back to Iraq from the US.

Military officials would not say how many were missing, but one, a National Guardsman from Florida, said he would do all he could to avoid returning.

"I definitely don't want to go back there," he told CBS News. "I think most people - if not all people who are there - don't want to be there."



pseudobrit
Nov 1, 2003, 10:23 PM
Shut up and support our troops. Unless they fall in love with the enemy (they're all terrorists, right?).

Ugg
Nov 1, 2003, 11:04 PM
I was wondering when we were going to start seeing some AWOLs. Probably pretty hard to make one's way from Iraq to the US but hey, when you're back in the US it must be pretty darned tempting to stay there. Can't say I blame them really. I wonder how Canada's new conservative and let's all toady to gw, govt. feels about deserters this time around?

Desertrat
Nov 2, 2003, 08:54 AM
I never really saw the reasoning for non-fraternization. It totally flies in the face of human nature. You'd think that after WW II when it didn't work worth a hoot that they'd have given up on such foolishness...

Ugg, remember that all these AWOL types were volunteers, not draftees. You raise your little paddy-paw and swear, "I do," you really oughta. And "I do." in the military does indeed mean killing people and breaking things and doing it under miserable conditions. Any way you cut it, these guys wimped out.

For those who had figured out they'd made a mistake by joining up, there were legal and honorable ways to get out. I have no problem with those guys who figured they'd done a Wrong Thing by joining up. However, once the orders are cut to climb on that Big Iron Bird, it's too late.

'Rat

Ugg
Nov 2, 2003, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Desertrat
I never really saw the reasoning for non-fraternization. It totally flies in the face of human nature. You'd think that after WW II when it didn't work worth a hoot that they'd have given up on such foolishness...

Ugg, remember that all these AWOL types were volunteers, not draftees. You raise your little paddy-paw and swear, "I do," you really oughta. And "I do." in the military does indeed mean killing people and breaking things and doing it under miserable conditions. Any way you cut it, these guys wimped out.

For those who had figured out they'd made a mistake by joining up, there were legal and honorable ways to get out. I have no problem with those guys who figured they'd done a Wrong Thing by joining up. However, once the orders are cut to climb on that Big Iron Bird, it's too late.

'Rat

You're absolutely right on all counts, but the fact remains that in all wars ever fought people have gone AWOL. The conditions of that war will dictate the level of AWOLism. I wonder how high it will go this time?

Desertrat
Nov 2, 2003, 11:08 AM
I'd guess that the AWOL rate will be less than in the past. The tours of overseas duty are generally shorter, and the guys are, after all, volunteers...

'Rat

Ugg
Nov 2, 2003, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Desertrat
I'd guess that the AWOL rate will be less than in the past. The tours of overseas duty are generally shorter, and the guys are, after all, volunteers...

'Rat

Maybe so but this war has the highest percentage of reservists and guards. The rules have changed and not everyone is happy about it. I think what will be the major turning point is when they are told that their tours will be extended. I've no doubt that that will happen as the attacks seem to be growing in intensity as today's helicopter attack shows.

Training the Iraqis to take over some of the duties will help, but today I see that Bremer wants to bring back entire sections of Saddam's military. These are the guys who were fired without so much as a by your leave earlier this year and have been unemployed ever since. Who do you think their loyalty will be towards, the Americans who treat them like disposables or the growing anti-US forces within Iraq?

Can you say quagmire?

Desertrat
Nov 2, 2003, 12:19 PM
A lot of those Reservists and Guards have been having fun with war toys and getting paid for it, for years. While the majority have done it from a sense of duty, I still have zero sympathy for any who now resent fulfilling that duty.

Reminds me of the Marine in Desert Storm, who whined that he hadn't joined the Corps to actually go fight; he'd joined up for the educational benefits accruing to his service.

That's why there you have a TS card: You go to the Chaplain and let him punch it. :D

'Rat

coolsoldier
Nov 2, 2003, 09:36 PM
You're going to put a bunch of 18-24 year old guys in a foreign country for a year and expect none of them to fall in love???

Not to mention, doesn't this kind of fly in the face of all of the "freedom" stuff? Come on, they should be able to marry whoever they want...