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phatjoe
Mar 19, 2008, 11:50 AM
Hello:

This topic probably isn't new...

As previously posted, I'm looking to purchase a mac mini. I have two homes and typically use my laptop, so I'm just lookin' for a cheap desktop. Out of curiousity, I priced out a dell slim line pc (no monitor). Below are the specs, and the price was only $400! The baseline mac mini is $600 with only a 80GB HD.

I'm not new to macs and know there is a premium price and have a better OS, but it just seems the mac mini significantly lags versus the competitors. I can probably hold off purchasing a PC for another 1-2 months. I hope we see an update for the mac mini soon...:D

DELL Slim Line specs
dual-core processor E2180 (1MB L2 Cache,2.00GHz,800 OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista® Home Basic - English
MEMORY 1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz- 2DIMMs
HARD DRIVE 250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/-RW Drive
VIDEO CARD Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3100 SOUND Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
KEYBOARD & MOUSE Dell USB Keyboard and Dell Optical USB Mouse
FLOPPY & MEDIA READER No Floppy Drive Included
MODEM & WIRELESS 56K PCI Data Fax Modem



Jimmdean
Mar 19, 2008, 03:14 PM
That Dell slimline really doesn't belong in a comparison to the Mini. It is a slimline, but it's still a tower. It would be more appropriate to only compare the Mini to other supersmall units.

Q-Dog
Mar 19, 2008, 04:08 PM
What competitors are there? I'm not really familiar with the machines most PC makers are putting out, but I've NEVER seen a machine like the Mac Mini from ANY other manufacturers. This thing is TINY, and can be hidden almost anywhere.

n1ght
Mar 19, 2008, 06:41 PM
Also, remember to add:
- Bluetooth
- Wi-fi adapter
- IEEE 1394a adapter (Firewire 400)
And the Pentium Dual-Core is slower than the base C2D in the Mini. GHz aren't everything...

No competitor will put laptop parts in a desktop for the sake of super-small. It costs too much and they have to sacrifice HDD space, but Apple did it. That's why the Mini is unique, and the Slimline tower is 11 times the volume of the Mini.

But the Minis still need to be updated. The combo drive and GMA950 are pathetic. X3100 graphics, at the very least.

Cave Man
Mar 19, 2008, 08:20 PM
And don't forget optical audio in/out, Vista Ultimate (to only approach Leopard) and 64-bit addressing.

ADent
Mar 20, 2008, 04:26 PM
Yeah the mini employs CPUs that are technically out of production - so it can use an update.

When Apple gets around to an update then you will have a Santa Rosa unit with maybe a 120GB drive for the same price.

Leon Kowalski
Mar 20, 2008, 04:44 PM
It would be more appropriate to only compare the Mini to other supersmall units.

It would be "more appropriate" only if you care about the
supersmall form factor. If you're looking for an "entry-level"
OS-X platform (and/or care about function more than form)
the mini is a computationally anemic toy at a boutique price.

LK

ipodtouchy333
Mar 20, 2008, 04:45 PM
I totally agree. I want to buy my first mac and was looking at the mini but it needs updates bad. Even the top of line one is pretty expensive for what you're getting, although it is quite a small form factor.

Cave Man
Mar 20, 2008, 04:48 PM
It would be "more appropriate" only if you care about the
supersmall form factor. If you're looking for an "entry-level"
OS-X platform (and/or care about function more than form)
the mini is a computationally anemic toy at a boutique price.

The only other option for my needs would be a MP, and I'm not willing to dish out that kind of money. There are also other factors to consider as to why Mini's are more than "a computationally anemic toy at a boutique price."

Let's hope for Penryn in the next couple of weeks.

saltyzoo
Mar 21, 2008, 08:24 AM
It would be "more appropriate" only if you care about the
supersmall form factor. If you're looking for an "entry-level"
OS-X platform (and/or care about function more than form)
the mini is a computationally anemic toy at a boutique price.

LK

The mini is far from "computationally anemic". It's surprisingly effective in real life.

However, I'd like to see a price reduction or performance bump.

gkarris
Mar 21, 2008, 08:58 AM
Out of curiousity, I priced out a dell slim line pc (no monitor). Below are the specs, and the price was only $400! The baseline mac mini is $600 with only a 80GB HD.

Great price comparison...

You missed the fact that Dells are COMPLETELY HORRIBLE...

http://www.ihatedell.net

and I can go on, and on about Dells at work and people that I told to by a Mac who bought a Dell instead who wanted "more for less money"...

We really need to nix these "Apple compared to Dell" threads...

treasurefinder
Mar 21, 2008, 10:21 AM
Great price comparison...

You missed the fact that Dells are COMPLETELY HORRIBLE...

http://www.ihatedell.net

and I can go on, and on about Dells at work and people that I told to by a Mac who bought a Dell instead who wanted "more for less money"...

We really need to nix these "Apple compared to Dell" threads...

I wish that was the first time anyones sorted a hate site as "fact," but I digress... Dell runs Vista and XP. You can use that $100-$200 you save buying a Dell on repairs, relatively useless virus protection software and the migraine medication you're going to need.

Jimmdean
Mar 21, 2008, 10:27 AM
If you're looking for an "entry-level"
OS-X platform (and/or care about function more than form)
the mini is a computationally anemic toy at a boutique price.

LK

That doesn't make any sense. Either you want a Mac or you don't. If you do, either the Mini or the iMac is a great machine - both are Core 2 powered and neither is "computationally anemic". You make them sound like they're P3's or something...

OttawaGuy
Mar 21, 2008, 10:34 AM
Mac Performance (February 2008)

http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2008/02/mac-performance-february-2008/

mini scores 2604

Leon Kowalski
Mar 21, 2008, 11:29 AM
That doesn't make any sense. Either you want a Mac or you don't. If you do, either the Mini or the iMac is a great machine - both are Core 2 powered and neither is "computationally anemic". You make them sound like they're P3's or something...

It's Apple hardware that makes absolutely no sense. For the same price as a
mini -- and the same Apple profit margin -- they could offer 50% more CPU
power, four times the disk space at twice the speed, plus a fast and flexible
tray-loading optical drive. ...not to mention accessibility and serviceability.

Instead, they offer "cute" packaging of low-performance, high-cost parts.

...OS-X is great. Apple hardware is an egotistical disaster,

LK

Globetrotter
Mar 21, 2008, 11:56 AM
Mac Performance (February 2008)

http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2008/02/mac-performance-february-2008/

mini scores 2604

God Bless you for that webpage!!! I have been looking for it (or equivalent) for months now :p

Jimmdean
Mar 21, 2008, 11:58 AM
It's Apple hardware that makes absolutely no sense. For the same price as a
mini -- and the same Apple profit margin -- they could offer 50% more CPU
power, four times the disk space at twice the speed, plus a fast and flexible
tray-loading optical drive. ...not to mention accessability and serviceability.

Instead, they offer "cute" packaging of low-performance, high-cost parts.

...OS-X is great. Apple hardware is an egotistical disaster,

LK

I can't wait to go back to tray loaders - lol.

gkarris
Mar 21, 2008, 01:04 PM
I wish that was the first time anyones sorted a hate site as "fact," but I digress... Dell runs Vista and XP.

This "hate site" has Dell employees posting... :eek:

MacSA
Mar 21, 2008, 01:21 PM
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/21/eating_our_words_apples_mac_mini_to_rock_on.html

Appleinsider change their minds...

PNW
Mar 21, 2008, 01:25 PM
That Dell slimline really doesn't belong in a comparison to the Mini. It is a slimline, but it's still a tower. It would be more appropriate to only compare the Mini to other supersmall units.

Well if Apple made a mid range tower you'd be right but they don't so the comparison is apt.

The current incarnation of the mini is neither a good deal nor anemic. It's a respectable machine but Apple is definitely charging today's prices for yesterday's hardware. Once it's updated to Santa Rosa it will again be a decent deal.

There's also a little more to the mini's form than just being "cutesy" It's ridiculously quiet and uses very little power.

n1ght
Mar 21, 2008, 01:33 PM
Yeah, the Mac mini offers good performance, but the GMA950 graphics are far from stellar. They definitely need to bump it to X3100 graphics and at least Crestline (Santa Rosa).

The upper model should get 2GB RAM standard.

Cave Man
Mar 21, 2008, 01:42 PM
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/21/eating_our_words_apples_mac_mini_to_rock_on.html

Appleinsider change their minds...

Well, this is ominous:

While those people familiar with plans for the Mac mini were unclear on a precise release date for the forthcoming makeover, the Penryn-3M-based systems reportedly remained within the engineering build stage as of mid-month.

If it's still in engineering, it's probably a few months away, at the earliest.

Globetrotter
Mar 21, 2008, 01:55 PM
Well, this is ominous:

While those people familiar with plans for the Mac mini were unclear on a precise release date for the forthcoming makeover, the Penryn-3M-based systems reportedly remained within the engineering build stage as of mid-month.

If it's still in engineering, it's probably a few months away, at the earliest.

Ominous AND confusing: if it isn't coming out till June-ish, then why not organise engineering to put the Montevina chipset in it?

And since the Macbook is already on SR Penryn, there surely shouldn't be a huge amount of work to do! All they need is to adjust the logic board to fit in the mini really ;)

I'm sure we'll be waiting for months, like with the MBP's :rolleyes:

Yvan256
Mar 21, 2008, 01:56 PM
What competitors are there? I'm not really familiar with the machines most PC makers are putting out, but I've NEVER seen a machine like the Mac Mini from ANY other manufacturers. This thing is TINY, and can be hidden almost anywhere.

As far as form-factor is concerned, the only one I know about would be the AOpen miniPC (aside from nano-ITX and pico-ITX, which are motherboards and not a standard for the cases themselves).

clyde2801
Mar 21, 2008, 03:50 PM
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If it's still in engineering, it's probably a few months away, at the earliest.

Geez, I wonder what Apple would put more emphasis on, the entry level desktop that tops out at 800 USD, or the insanely selling laptop that starts at 1100 USD? Hmmm....

Wonder which system apple will update last?