probability of MacBook Pro release in June, 2008

[phrygiana]

Considering the purchase of Mac Book Pro, what stops me from
immediate decision is that, based on the past record of Apple
new product release pattern, the recent update does not seem a
real one, meaning that it was just a speed-bump. Some of you may
remember the quick replacement of the last G5-based iMac by the
Intel-based one two years ago, the interval of which simply broke
the "normal" pattern of product update. And the news of Intel
releasing new platform slated for May or June seems to add to the
conditional probability that new one will come. I know asking this
question will sound stupid, but I am just curious..What's your opinions?

[Aea]

June? Doubt it, but who knows. Also, the textbox will autowarp, no need to worry about adding breaks :)

[jnc]

I wouldn't hold your breath for new announcements before September.

[macnewbie13]

idk, I'd wait just to make sure. I was at the Apple store the other day and the employee i was talking to was telling me how he usually only keeps his MBP for like a year and then sells it and then buys a new one but this year he is waiting a little longer because of the new chip set coming out and because of the rumors of a shell re-design. So if an Apple employee is waiting, I'd say wait before buying just to be safe.

[heatmiser]

Considering that they were updated in February? It's possible, but I wouldn't expect anything before the Fall. Ditto with the Macbooks.

[bertpalmer]

Unlikely.

In fr the last few years all there has been is incremental speed bumps, a new screen and now multitouch.

I'm waiting for bluray to come out before I seriously start thinking about a new machine.

[Neil321]

idk, I'd wait just to make sure. I was at the Apple store the other day and the employee i was talking to was telling me how he usually only keeps his MBP for like a year and then sells it and then buys a new one but this year he is waiting a little longer because of the new chip set coming out and because of the rumors of a shell re-design. So if an Apple employee is waiting, I'd say wait before buying just to be safe.

Apple employee's know the same as you & me about updates which is squat

[Sogo]

Hmm I don't think that they will redesign the macbook pro until after school starts. I say this simply because i know that intel will release their next architecture in june, and updating the macbook pro again after only 4 months may be premature. The new processors will probably go into the new Mac Pro first and then later in the year it will be integrated into the laptop. You know, the new design may even wait till early 2009. (but a new design has always been on the horizon, and it keeps getting pushed back) :)

just my 2 Cents.

[skye12]

Imo it is highly likely there will be new MBP's by this summer.

[brand]

So if an Apple employee is waiting, I'd say wait before buying just to be safe.

An Apple employee is no different than anyone else when it comes to waiting. They know no more about when a release is coming than you or me.

[theLimit]

With Montevina scheduled to release the first week of June, I would expect PC manufacturers to be shipping laptops by July. Given Apple's normal lag behind the rest of the industry, I would guess August at the earliest for an update, but probably closer to October in order to sell out the current version during the back-to-school rush.

[CalBoy]

This front-page story (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/27/next-macbook-and-macbook-pro-updates-in-june/) from a little while back makes me think that we'll see new mbps and possibly macbooks by late June.

It seems that Intel wants to do away with older chips at a much faster rate than before, and is expecting Apple to play along.

[Wolfpup]

I'm not sure why you think this wasn't a real update. It was as real as any others.

The only thing the new platform coming in June adds for the Macbook Pro is a new chipset and 1066MHz FSB chips. It's no more substantial an upgrade than the one we just had.

Also since Intel theoretically launched this new CPU in January but it took months for companies to actually start shipping it, there's a chance the same thing will happen this June (maybe August before we start seeing anyone use it?)

It's *possible* Apple will update the design the next time, but there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING SPECIAL about the upcoming update that would make Apple update the design. It's possible, but it was just as likely they would have done it this last time, and just as likely they'll do it two times from now.

It's also possible Apple will bump the next update in some other way, but again it would have nothing to do with Intel's update.

[DarkRevenant]

I really hope they either update mid summer or wait until 2009 - I'm going to be buying a laptop for college over the summer and I will kick myself if they upgrade right after the back to school rush for computers. :confused:

[thinkband]

I am going to get a laptop probably in the next month or so. If they update, don't care. Its gonna be a small leap anyways.

[Artful Dodger]

This front-page story (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/27/next-macbook-and-macbook-pro-updates-in-june/) from a little while back makes me think that we'll see new mbps and possibly macbooks by late June.

It seems that Intel wants to do away with older chips at a much faster rate than before, and is expecting Apple to play along.

I agree and with that I'll be one who is "for now" waiting until the next update/upgrade unless the rumored chips for the first part of 09' look way to good, then I'll hold out a tad longer.
Of course those that need will buy and should, those that can wait will :p

[Wolfpup]

I agree and with that I'll be one who is "for now" waiting until the next update/upgrade unless the rumored chips for the first part of 09' look way to good, then I'll hold out a tad longer.
Of course those that need will buy and should, those that can wait will :p

There's nothing rumored about Intel's next generation CPU. It looks fantastic. It's just a matter of whether you want to wait that long. Odds are we're talking January of next month at the EARLIEST, with a full year out from now quite possible.

[OnlyMarcusCannn]

I am going to get a laptop probably in the next month or so. If they update, don't care. Its gonna be a small leap anyways.

You might wanna think twice about how much you want to upgrade. From the looks of things, it seems the MBP/MB's will be getting a major (aka re-designed case) update within Q3 or Q4 this year. It might be worth the wait...:D

[Fonzijr1964]

June thru november are apple time i would say they will update it in june at WWDC (the only reson being to get college students to buy) or in late aug or Early sep(this is more for desktops) November is more for iPods:)

[jvette]

I was going to purchase a new MBP when the update came but decided to wait a couple more months because I think the case is getting dated looking. What's a couple more months.

[hephem]

Oh c'mon guys, don't say so stupid things.

I mean, we're talking about a case redesign here. Apple wouldn't make an update of this kind without an event... So it will be either this summer at WWDC or at Macworld 2009.

Apple is having a great market strategy, their guys aren't sleeping. Those who actually will buy this last February update, will be a fool. Cause this last update has 2 intentions:

- follow Intel policies of puting on the market as much Penryns as they can during the year. In order to be on time for the others updates scheduled to November (?): cf. Nahalem.

- Make people buy a MBP because of the "stupid" added features such as Multitouch (for which I remind trackpad was not elarged) and make them buy once again a redesign MBP (with also a larger trckpad).

So my guess is that Apple will do another update "soon", forced by Intel policies (this time, of adding the Montevina platform), to avoid being out dated by the PC concurrence, to earn even more with 2 MBP updates... If the update has to be soon and whitin an event I'd say June...

Cheers.

[Artful Dodger]

There's nothing rumored about Intel's next generation CPU. It looks fantastic. It's just a matter of whether you want to wait that long. Odds are we're talking January of next month at the EARLIEST, with a full year out from now quite possible.

Waiting is easy for now and going for some schooling won't start until Nov. this year so that's fine. I really want to get a 17" MBP to replace my iMac since AppleCare is up in Dec/Jan. If I like what I see this summer I may jump for it then but I'm really in no hurry for need sake, mentally that's a whole different issue ;)

I thought that Intel had mentioned their new mobile chips for Jan/Feb of 09' or at least that it would be something awesome for the first quarter of next year (I know talking about next year already :rolleyes: just getting a game-plan on for my piggy bank).

[BigHungry04]

I bought my macbook pro a few weeks ago, and don't really care if they update it the next week or a few months from now. In 2005 when I bought my iPod Photo, the iPod video came out a few days later, I was mad at myself for not seeing if something new was coming out, but in the end, it doesn't matter, I still enjoy my iPod even though it can't play videos, I probably wouldn't use that feature anyways. I'm thoroughly impressed with my macbook pro, even if apple updates it in the near future.

[MoeOz]

my rockin is next year :) jus go for it dont wait .

[Wolfpup]

June thru november are apple time i would say they will update it in june at WWDC (the only reson being to get college students to buy) or in late aug or Early sep(this is more for desktops) November is more for iPods:)

June's unlikely, unless Intel's early with the new chipset. August seems more realistic, maybe July at the earliest.

I was going to purchase a new MBP when the update came but decided to wait a couple more months because I think the case is getting dated looking. What's a couple more months.

In the first place, you're talking about probably 5 months until the next update. More to the point though, there's no reason to think they're changing the case then. People have speculated they were going to do that every update for the last two years. There's nothing special about the upcoming update that would mean a case redesign. If it dosen't happen, will you keep waiting until Feb/March of next year? And then the following summer/fall, etc.? If you need it, buy it, if not, don't expect anything in particular for an update beyond knowing what types of CPUs will be in it.

Waiting is easy for now and going for some schooling won't start until Nov. this year so that's fine.

Intel's next generation CPU will *NOT* be out by then. Most likely it will be coming at the earliest roughly a year from now (January-March '09). For November, the only update available from Intel will be a version of the current CPU with a faster FSB (1066Mhz versus 800MHz currently), which is worth a speed grade or so.

I really want to get a 17" MBP to replace my iMac since AppleCare is up in Dec/Jan. If I like what I see this summer I may jump for it then but I'm really in no hurry for need sake, mentally that's a whole different issue ;)

If you need it for November, there's only going to be one more bump, at best (as mentioned above).

[JulesK]

I dislike the new keyboard on the Macbooks and MacBook Air. Enough so that I'm very glad that I have the current keyboard on my new MBP 17". I may not use some of the other upgrades a "revised" MBP may have, but I use the keyboard all the time, and if they went with design they are using on virtually all the other Apple computers, that's a potential dealbreaker for me.

[macgroovy]

Make people buy a MBP because of the stupid added features such as Multitouch (which I remind was not elarged) and make them buy once again a redesign MBP.

I personally like the multitouch and see it as a handy feature once more applications start to utilise it. It's certainly fun to use!

[DOUGHNUT]

Montevina AKA Centrino 2 will allow faster bus speeds, smaller processor/motherboard size, better power efficiency etc etc. I wouldn't be surprised if it's announced during WWDC since it is significant enough of an update from Intel to warrant a case redesign. you know a redesign is coming (evident in the fact that the MacBook Pro trackpad is still smaller than the MBA trackpad even though it has been converted to multi-touch as well. it's obvious that Apple has something under wraps, and the Penryn update is just to hold the consumers over until Centrino 2 comes out.

[QCassidy352]

This front-page story (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/27/next-macbook-and-macbook-pro-updates-in-june/) from a little while back makes me think that we'll see new mbps and possibly macbooks by late June.

It seems that Intel wants to do away with older chips at a much faster rate than before, and is expecting Apple to play along.

I agree. If intel is pushing new chips, we'll see vastly accelerated upgrade cycles, so past history really doesn't mean much.

You might wanna think twice about how much you want to upgrade. From the looks of things, it seems the MBP/MB's will be getting a major (aka re-designed case) update within Q3 or Q4 this year. It might be worth the wait...:D

People have been predicting a redesigned case since the MBP came in to existence. Every new revision it's the same arguments and predictions. No reason to think this time will be the "big revision."

[applechick]

so I'm probably going to wait on the MBP. But anyone know anything about new iMacs and/or Cinema displays?

[Wolfpup]

Montevina AKA Centrino 2 will allow faster bus speeds, smaller processor/motherboard size, better power efficiency etc etc. I wouldn't be surprised if it's announced during WWDC since it is significant enough of an update from Intel to warrant a case redesign. you know a redesign is coming (evident in the fact that the MacBook Pro trackpad is still smaller than the MBA trackpad even though it has been converted to multi-touch as well. it's obvious that Apple has something under wraps, and the Penryn update is just to hold the consumers over until Centrino 2 comes out.

...
People have been predicting a redesigned case since the MBP came in to existence. Every new revision it's the same arguments and predictions. No reason to think this time will be the "big revision."

Yep, exactly. We keep hearing people insist whatever the latest update is will for sure have a redesign, based on nothing.

[jnc]

so I'm probably going to wait on the MBP. But anyone know anything about new iMacs and/or Cinema displays?

iMacs and Mac Minis are "next" considering everything else looks like it's been covered for now. Cinema Displays is anyone's guess - it's been two years.

I'm aching for a Dell 08-esque multiple input offering (come on, at least include Component and HDMI, Apple - so YOUR displays are :apple:tv-compatible!) with Apple's aesthetics... I want something that'll match my Mac Pro :p that I can also run my consoles on. I'm currently using a 1366x768 HDTV for component/hdmi gaming (ps3, wii) and computing via VGA... :(

I'd go for the Dell 2707 but for another £250 I could get a Dell 3008, so I'm waiting for either a 2707 price drop (or a 2708!) whilst futilely holding my breath for new ACD announcements.

[phrygiana]

Based on the opinions many of you have kindly written above,
there are some environmental variables that may affect the possible release
of new MBP that will have gone through plastic surgery and heart
transplantation - WWDC & new Intel platform. And also there is, though
very few of them, history of irregular product update like the last g5 iMac.
Or the prediction may turn out wrong after all. It may be futile
to discuss the unknown future. Therefore, it seems to boil down to whether
I need one immediately. The fact is I mainly do some programming with gcc that is
available on my linux-based notebook. Looks like I may wait until
MBP comes in totally different look like black Pismo.

[DOUGHNUT]

even if there's no case redesign, you should still wait until at least WWDC to make a decision. it's less than 3 months away, so if you don't need it immediately, there's no point in rushing to buy the Penryn models when everyone knows that it was released to sorta bridge the current Intel platform to Centrino 2. After Centrino 2 AKA Montevina, the next Intel processors won't be released until early 2009, so I say June or July would be a good time to invest.

[Wolfpup]

even if there's no case redesign, you should still wait until at least WWDC to make a decision. it's less than 3 months away, so if you don't need it immediately, there's no point in rushing to buy the Penryn models when everyone knows that it was released to sorta bridge the current Intel platform to Centrino 2. After Centrino 2 AKA Montevina, the next Intel processors won't be released until early 2009, so I say June or July would be a good time to invest.

Montevina is a new platform (ie chipset basically), not a new CPU. The only CPU update we're getting this year we just got.

The only thing the new chipset is going to give us is a faster front side bus. That's worth something, but it's not THAT big a deal. The update (probably) early next year should be a much bigger deal.

[illidian]

Traditionally, Apple has not released a new MacBook (Pro) model until students are already in school. See MacBook Pro release dates: June 07 (only update that year), October 06, October 05, September 03, November 02. Also see MacBook release dates: November 07, November 06, July 05 (only update of the year), October 04, October 03, November 03.

I'm not saying it won't happen - it seems as if Intel is pushing Apple to redo their notebooks with every new update - but history isn't on the side of a June release.

I see an August (MBP)/September (MB) update striking a nice balance between the two - late enough to still attract students with the previous model, or having them step up the new MBP.

As far as when to buy a new MBP - big things are coming. The new Intel processor with Quad Core capabilities and Blue-Ray DVD drive are two reasons to hold off if you can. It's been little tiny updates for some time now; a massive update (with at least those two capabilities) is coming soon. I don't see anything else "big" coming to the MBP for some time, but I'll admit that Apple has surprised me many times.

[CalBoy]

but history isn't on the side of a June release.

Your analysis left out the fact that many mbp updates (or Powerbook before Intel) happened in April or May. ;)

2/2008
6/2007
10/2006
4/2006
1/2006
10/2005
1/2005
4/2004

Recent trends have strongly supported an update sequence of one Spring/Summer update and one Fall/Winter update.

[Wolfpup]

It's a nice problem to have-having to stick newer Intel chips in your system :D

Granted there's some inventory management stuff and whatnot, but new stuff practically twice a year!

Talk about a difference from competing with high end 686 chips with a G4 :(

[xrxsxbx]

I was planning to get a MBP, but after reading this thread, its better to wait right?

until june - August.

I dont need it right now.

and i mean, its only 3 or 4 months so..

good things are coming:apple:

Anyone know when is the imac going to be updated?

[Gigemaggies06]

Running the numbers, a mid June update would be roughly 110 days since the last on February 26 while even an early November update would be over 250 days. The average release interval of 192 days would happen around the end of August beginning of September. Personally I think there will be an update in June with or without the case redesign. The only thing that has me questioning myself is that there appear to be upcoming updates for a lot products around that time: iPhone software update, possible 3G iPhone, MB/MBP, iMac, Mac mini, ACD; something has to give.

[DOUGHNUT]

by the way, Montevina platform is scheduled to be released June 3-7. WWDC 08 happens to be the week after. perfect timing for Apple to release the update.

[stainlessliquid]

Dell is coming out with some nice looking aluminum laptops soon so that might push apple to finally get off their asses and launch whatever design they have in the coffers so they still have a high aesthetic advantage. One (http://www.engadget.com/photos/leaked-dell-laptop-brings-brings-the-sexy/584151/) of those new dell leaks I thought looked significantly better than the MBP, while another design looked too "Dodge Hemi" for me (probably an XPS gaming laptop) and a 3rd design looked great but not as awesome as the first. If they let pc makers catch up to their old ass designs then they are going to get hurt bad. They have to have several new designs for the MBP by now, its had the same exact look since the G4 came out.

[chrono1081]

I am going to get a laptop probably in the next month or so. If they update, don't care. Its gonna be a small leap anyways.

I agree completely. If you need it now, get it now. I was desperately waiting until I got my enormous dept paid off to buy one and now I was finally able to order it! Itll be about 7 - 10 days till it reaches me since I live at an APO address :'( I can't wait cause right now it should do everything I need it to do.

Just a heads up too everyone clamors over speed bumps and bench mark test results but bench mark tests really hold about 0 value when determining how a program appears to perform to the user when the components are in similar range of each other (2.5 processor vs 2.6 for example).

[illidian]

Your analysis left out the fact that many mbp updates (or Powerbook before Intel) happened in April or May. ;)

2/2008
6/2007
10/2006
4/2006
1/2006
10/2005
1/2005
4/2004

Recent trends have strongly supported an update sequence of one Spring/Summer update and one Fall/Winter update.

There's one early update, and one late, per year. Intel is pushing things pretty fast right now though...

But with that said, I still see two updates coming this year. We've already had the first - is the second (and likely last, based on Intel) update of the year going to be in June? In the cases that you pointed out, it was the early (or only) release date of the year.

We have reasons to believe that Apple didn't want to do this update and has things under wraps that they simply weren't ready to introduce. Perhaps that makes a June release more favorable, we'll see.

[jay1097]

I think they are going to do an update this summer. It happened with the macbooks this year. They did an update in November 07 and then February 08.

The new intel platform will probably mean that the macbook pros get slimmed down a bit.

[Wolfpup]

I think they are going to do an update this summer. It happened with the macbooks this year. They did an update in November 07 and then February 08.

The new intel platform will probably mean that the macbook pros get slimmed down a bit.

Why?

If anything the Macbook Pros need to be thicker to accommodate better cooling so the hardware can actually be pushed. There's certainly nothing about a new chipset that would make them be able to be THINNER.

[Macmel]

Why?

If anything the Macbook Pros need to be thicker to accommodate better cooling so the hardware can actually be pushed. There's certainly nothing about a new chipset that would make them be able to be THINNER.

Actually, the new penryn processors and the ones that are gong to be released in the next few months/years do reduce wattage and thus heating. The trend is to increase the number of processors while reducing or stabilizing their clock speed in order to increase overall speed with arithmetical (not geometrical) growth of power consumption. This strategy will certainly allow for thinner laptops.

[Wolfpup]

Actually, the new penryn processors and the ones that are gong to be released in the next few months/years do reduce wattage and thus heating. The trend is to increase the number of processors while reducing or stabilizing their clock speed in order to increase overall speed with arithmetical (not geometrical) growth of power consumption. This strategy will certainly allow for thinner laptops.

But Penryn is already out-this June is just a chipset update. And while yes, they run cooler at the same clock speed than the Conroe based chips they replace, the Macbook Pro still isn't able to run at full blast, hence it needs to be THICKER, not thinner, for those that need to actually use the CPU.

[applechick]

Suppose the new MBP's do come out with an update feature I don't like (the chicklet keyboard is the first the comes to mind)...does Apple keep previous generation macs around when they release a newer model? Just want to know if I'll have my options open.

[CalBoy]

Suppose the new MBP's do come out with an update feature I don't like (the chicklet keyboard is the first the comes to mind)...does Apple keep previous generation macs around when they release a newer model? Just want to know if I'll have my options open.

You'll be able to find a few older models in the refurbished section of the online Apple Store, but there are no guarantees as to how long they will last before being sold out.

[illidian]

Suppose the new MBP's do come out with an update feature I don't like (the chicklet keyboard is the first the comes to mind)...does Apple keep previous generation macs around when they release a newer model? Just want to know if I'll have my options open.

You will be able to buy them cheaper in the Refurb Store. But no, they don't stock "new" last-gen Macs.

[applechick]

So when the impending updated MBPs are released, all current MBPs that are not sold - Why wouldn't I be able to purchase one of those as oppose to one in the Refurb store?


Basically my concern is waiting on this update and then not wanting to purchase it if it is a chicklet keyboard (sounds petty for it's a deal breaker for me). But I don't want to make that assumption and purchase an MBP now.

[CalBoy]

So when the impending updated MBPs are released, all current MBPs that are not sold - Why wouldn't I be able to purchase one of those as oppose to one in the Refurb store?

Apple doesn't designate "older model" or "clearance" sales. All excess units are placed into the refurbished store because it's the easiest way to clear inventory.

So, after an update, your chances of getting an unused older model computer from the refurbished store are better but not guaranteed.

However, if it's important to you, try a store like Amazon or MacMall; they usually carry older models for a longer period than Apple's refurbished store.

[danvan21]

- Make people buy a MBP because of the "stupid" added features such as Multitouch (for which I remind trackpad was not elarged) and make them buy once again a redesign MBP (with also a larger trckpad).



it is impossible for the MBP to have a larger trakpad at this moment. Take off the casing and you will find the area around the trackpad is completely used up. They would have to shift things around to make room for a larger pad. They might make the pad larger with a redesigned model but i doubt it.

[Johnz0r]

I have just ordered a penryn MBP and I am not bothered about any new revision at all. Reason is I need it now, and waiting just isn't an option for me. Even if a case re-design was released it would simply not bother me because I think its stunning.

[Neil321]

I think they are going to do an update this summer. It happened with the macbooks this year. They did an update in November 07 and then February 08.

The new intel platform will probably mean that the macbook pros get slimmed down a bit.

If you mean the casing how? take alook at the ports, the only thing that could slim down is the lid/screen
and then on the 17'' there could be warping issues

[Apple-Man23]

As much as i'd love to see new MBP's this summer, i also really wanted to see a G5 Powerbook, and well that never happened so you can either keep waiting with the chance that what you want may never come, or you can seize the day and buy a new computer the choice is yours.

[TimeWaster101]

Apple doesn't designate "older model" or "clearance" sales. All excess units are placed into the refurbished store because it's the easiest way to clear inventory.

So, after an update, your chances of getting an unused older model computer from the refurbished store are better but not guaranteed.

However, if it's important to you, try a store like Amazon or MacMall; they usually carry older models for a longer period than Apple's refurbished store.

actually when this last penryn update was made they had a "clearance" section where new Merom MBPs were discounted.

[plangly]

id like to point out that, minor updates are guided by intel now, the 45nm prossors are now defacto on almost all systems out their as intel have pushed the shift to the new prossor asap.

the next release on their roadmap thats worthy to note is the Nehalem arcitecture in a few months for server procssors q4 08 for high end desktop and early 09 for laptops and consumer desktops

its also worthy to note that this is speced to be a 3 gig quadcore mobile system

[CalBoy]

actually when this last penryn update was made they had a "clearance" section where new Merom MBPs were discounted.

Hmm, interesting. That's quite a departure from Apple's previous practice. Perhaps they had too many units left over and decided it would be more practical to have a clearance on them.

[TimeWaster101]

Hmm, interesting. That's quite a departure from Apple's previous practice. Perhaps they had too many units left over and decided it would be more practical to have a clearance on them.

ya I'm not sure why they did it. I was surprised to see it myself.

[Wolfpup]

I'm sure you guys have all seen, but it sounds like there really is a more legitimate than normal chance we'll see a redesign this June/July/August.

I'm hoping for a user replaceable hard drive as my number 1 want, and my second big one is a better cooling system (so you can actually push the hardware for games and Folding @ Home and things without it seeming like it's going to explode and melt).

[mashinhead]

i think they will be announced in june... then told you can order them now and have them delivered in july, and backordered until august from the june orders, then apple will miss it's july target and everything will be pushed back a month.

So yea Sept.

Hey i'm a realist! what do you want?

[beg_ne]

New MB ASAP please!

- Metal Case
- LED Display
- DVD-Burner standard on the low end
- Multi-Touch Track pad.

That would be compelling enough for me to buy one for my SO in an instant. I really want to get her on a Mac.


For me, I'm waiting for Nehalem MBP. So whenever next year (the sooner the better)

[blk88memorz]

well, apple should release all-new MBs and MBPs.
but i dont think this will happen in June.
Probably June will be the "3G iPhone" month.
so maybe we'll have to wait till august or september.
though i really need a macbook, i think i can wait till then.:D

[TimeWaster101]

well, apple should release all-new MBs and MBPs.
but i dont think this will happen in June.
Probably June will be the "3G iPhone" month.
so maybe we'll have to wait till august or september.
though i really need a macbook, i think i can wait till then.:D

I think we're all used to Apple's normal time table, but now that Intel is pushing fast adoption I could almost bet money WWDC will yeild a new MBP.

[blk88memorz]

I think we're all used to Apple's normal time table, but now that Intel is pushing fast adoption I could almost bet money WWDC will yeild a new MBP.

i expect apple to release the new iMacs and the new Mac minis first and then the new macbooks.

[TimeWaster101]

ya but they'll probably be a slient event. See there is a high probability of a slight MBP redesign because it is the oldest of all the designs (besides the MacPro).

[jnc]

New MB ASAP please!

- Metal Case
- LED Display
- DVD-Burner standard on the low end
- Multi-Touch Track pad.



Sounds... like a MBP

[hexonxonx]

I would say the chances are pretty good. It was last June when the MBPs saw an upgrade and on July 6 I bought mine. They were upgraded a few months ago again.

[m1stake]

I would wait for it. The board is significantly smaller than the SR boards (Which Penryn uses), so up until now they haven't really had much to work with as far as a redesign.

Not that it matters, but DDR3 could be used in the MBP's, which would look nice on paper, even if it doesn't translate into an actual performance boost.

Nehalem is still where it's at, so if you don't NEED a computer soon, wait.

In fact, here is my current upgrade plan since everyone cares so much :p

Buy a Mac Mini when the new one comes out (Penryn, etc). Sell iMac G5 since I replaced it with a gaming PC back in May 2007. Dad takes my G4 to replace his G3. When the Nehalem Mac Pro comes out, I'll replace the Mini with that and give the mini to my dad. That's 2/3 computers updated, great. When the Nehalem MBP's come out, I'll give the gaming PC to my mom to run autoCAD, and replace it with a MBP.

Wait 8 years, repeat. :D

[TimeWaster101]

I would wait for it. The board is significantly smaller than the SR boards (Which Penryn uses), so up until now they haven't really had much to work with as far as a redesign.

Not that it matters, but DDR3 could be used in the MBP's, which would look nice on paper, even if it doesn't translate into an actual performance boost.

Nehalem is still where it's at, so if you don't NEED a computer soon, wait.

In fact, here is my current upgrade plan since everyone cares so much :p

Buy a Mac Mini when the new one comes out (Penryn, etc). Sell iMac G5 since I replaced it with a gaming PC back in May 2007. Dad takes my G4 to replace his G3. When the Nehalem Mac Pro comes out, I'll replace the Mini with that and give the mini to my dad. That's 2/3 computers updated, great. When the Nehalem MBP's come out, I'll give the gaming PC to my mom to run autoCAD, and replace it with a MBP.

Wait 8 years, repeat. :D

wow, nice, sounds like you've got a pretty solid and well though out plan...

[Wolfpup]

I would wait for it. The board is significantly smaller than the SR boards (Which Penryn uses)

NO! This is a new CHIPSET. It has nothing to do with the motherboard at all. The motherboard could be smaller, it could be bigger, it could be exactly the same size. All we're getting in June is a CHIPSET update.

The rumors are pointing towards Apple updating the chassis, but that has nothing to do with this minor bump-they could have done this last year had they wanted to.

Nehalem is still where it's at, so if you don't NEED a computer soon, wait.

Yeah, what stinks is I've been waiting for years, and I might still end up waiting past the middle of this year until we get Intel's next-gen CPU :D

[tekilla]

Found this on Wiki which is pretty interesting and gives some indication of timescales for chip releases. Not sure hwo accurate it is though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(CPU_architecture)

[suprneb]

so basically, what kind of updates could we possible see with the upcoming montevina update?

case design?
hardware upgrade (speed, etc.)?

if there are any hardware upgrades, would they be considerably noticeable? or would they be quiet updates like the ones we saw in late february with the penryn 2 chipset?

[ProwlingTiger]

Anyone else afraid June will be another iPhone/SDK event? I'm afraid I'm having doubts about redesigns in June, though I'd be delighted to see them.

[asmallchild]

dunno, i went ahead with my mbp purchase anyway :p

[ProwlingTiger]

Yeah, I'm more waiting for the back to school sale than the possible updates.

[Wolfpup]

so basically, what kind of updates could we possible see with the upcoming montevina update?

case design?
hardware upgrade (speed, etc.)?

if there are any hardware upgrades, would they be considerably noticeable? or would they be quiet updates like the ones we saw in late february with the penryn 2 chipset?

The only thing we're getting for sure in terms of hardware is the new chipset that allows for one speed grade faster front side bus. Other than that, they COULD upgrade the GPU, the case design, whatever, but none of that has anything to do with Intel's new chipset.

[suprneb]

so by case redesign could that possibly mean ditching the aluminum casing? i really hope not cause i really like the way it is now :(

[Wolfpup]

Possibly, but I don't think anyone's expecting that. Most likely it would just be "different". I'm hoping any redesign would a) have much better cooling so the hardware can be pushed, and b) have a user replaceable hard drive.

[TimeWaster101]

Possibly, but I don't think anyone's expecting that. Most likely it would just be "different". I'm hoping any redesign would a) have much better cooling so the hardware can be pushed, and b) have a user replaceable hard drive.

I'm guessing it'll be VERY similar to the current model. probably just a touch slimmer (Like just a touch), maybe a redesign of the layout incorporating the user replaceable hard drive that so many people want (though i could care less) and I'm almost 100% sure the plastic edging is going to be gone.

oh yes and it'll definitely be aluminum again because apple is having an obsession with environmental friendliness and aluminum is more recyclable than plastic.

[jackinthebox]

Just talked to a friend of an apple employee(not one of those clueless or seemingly clueless apple reps), and they say that they are going to push back the release of the new line of macbooks and macbook pro's because they are working on incorporating blu-ray into the mix. Also said, the reason for working with blu-ray is because Apple wants to compete with the other major laptop brands in the laptop blu-ray market.

In other news... I agree with TimeWaster, the design should be similar. One of the theories that has been going around is that it will be modeled after the MacBook Air(ie the rounded edges, but not the limited I/O). One of the major things to look at is the thickness of the screen. With the new LED screens being put into the last update, the lids can be a whole lot thinner(like the MBA). With the new Montevina layout being smaller and thinner, the MB's and the MBA's will undoubtly thinner by probably around a quarter of an inch, maybe even more. There is even speculation that the MB's are going to shed the their plactic skins for aluminum ones for that whole eco-friendly stint apple is pushing these days. One source even indicated that the whole line will look pretty much the same, save the features of each model and such. The whole line should be thinner and sleeker. As for the touchpad, its a given that it will be bigger.

[TimeWaster101]

Just talked to a friend of an apple employee(not one of those clueless or seemingly clueless apple reps), and they say that they are going to push back the release of the new line of macbooks and macbook pro's because they are working on incorporating blu-ray into the mix. Also said, the reason for working with blu-ray is because Apple wants to compete with the other major laptop brands in the laptop blu-ray market.

In other news... I agree with TimeWaster, the design should be similar. One of the theories that has been going around is that it will be modeled after the MacBook Air(ie the rounded edges, but not the limited I/O). One of the major things to look at is the thickness of the screen. With the new LED screens being put into the last update, the lids can be a whole lot thinner(like the MBA). With the new Montevina layout being smaller and thinner, the MB's and the MBA's will undoubtly thinner by probably around a quarter of an inch, maybe even more. There is even speculation that the MB's are going to shed the their plactic skins for aluminum ones for that whole eco-friendly stint apple is pushing these days. One source even indicated that the whole line will look pretty much the same, save the features of each model and such. The whole line should be thinner and sleeker. As for the touchpad, its a given that it will be bigger.

Bummer, I just hope they're not delayed too much. I passed up the last update because I don't need it until college this coming fall. But by July I'll be itching to get a new one. I think though, I'll wait if I have to until the fall. I've already waited through Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, and I will through may, and Jun. Why not another 5 if I have to? But I really hope I don't. It'd be nice to get settled in w/ a new MBP for the start of college.

[hexonxonx]

Just talked to a friend of an apple employee(not one of those clueless or seemingly clueless apple reps), and they say that they are going to push back the release of the new line of macbooks and macbook pro's because they are working on incorporating blu-ray into the mix. Also said, the reason for working with blu-ray is because Apple wants to compete with the other major laptop brands in the laptop blu-ray market.



Another friend of a friend story. Nice.

[flamebourne]

It's probable, but wait next year, who knows, there would be quad core processors out by then! :)

[aswitcher]

Just talked to a friend of an apple employee(not one of those clueless or seemingly clueless apple reps), and they say that they are going to push back the release of the new line of macbooks and macbook pro's because they are working on incorporating blu-ray into the mix. Also said, the reason for working with blu-ray is because Apple wants to compete with the other major laptop brands in the laptop blu-ray market.

In other news... I agree with TimeWaster, the design should be similar. One of the theories that has been going around is that it will be modeled after the MacBook Air(ie the rounded edges, but not the limited I/O). One of the major things to look at is the thickness of the screen. With the new LED screens being put into the last update, the lids can be a whole lot thinner(like the MBA). With the new Montevina layout being smaller and thinner, the MB's and the MBA's will undoubtly thinner by probably around a quarter of an inch, maybe even more. There is even speculation that the MB's are going to shed the their plactic skins for aluminum ones for that whole eco-friendly stint apple is pushing these days. One source even indicated that the whole line will look pretty much the same, save the features of each model and such. The whole line should be thinner and sleeker. As for the touchpad, its a given that it will be bigger.

That all sounds good BUT Bluray I suspect is still very expensive for a portable device, and not something we will see this year.

[thinkband]

Just talked to a friend of an apple employee(not one of those clueless or seemingly clueless apple reps), and they say that they are going to push back the release of the new line of macbooks and macbook pro's because they are working on incorporating blu-ray into the mix. Also said, the reason for working with blu-ray is because Apple wants to compete with the other major laptop brands in the laptop blu-ray market.

In other news... I agree with TimeWaster, the design should be similar. One of the theories that has been going around is that it will be modeled after the MacBook Air(ie the rounded edges, but not the limited I/O). One of the major things to look at is the thickness of the screen. With the new LED screens being put into the last update, the lids can be a whole lot thinner(like the MBA). With the new Montevina layout being smaller and thinner, the MB's and the MBA's will undoubtly thinner by probably around a quarter of an inch, maybe even more. There is even speculation that the MB's are going to shed the their plactic skins for aluminum ones for that whole eco-friendly stint apple is pushing these days. One source even indicated that the whole line will look pretty much the same, save the features of each model and such. The whole line should be thinner and sleeker. As for the touchpad, its a given that it will be bigger.

Its a nice post but Apple reps don't know anything. Why would your friend's friend know any more then the folks at MR?

Anyways... I am going to get my MBP June 2nd or so, within 14 days of WWDC. That way I will be within my 14 days to return the laptop and get the new MBP if anything is announced. I cannot imagine anything happening in 2008 major like a laptop overhall if nothing is even mentioned in WWDC. I think January 15th will be the big reveal, but too long for me. I gotta have the laptop no later then September, and preferably early June.

I cannot find a laptop that looks as good as the MBP... aren't they good enough? What else would you like them to do? Why do we need blue ray on laptops. It is just going to cost an extra $400 and the difference in quality will only be noticeable if connected to an HDTV 32"+. Waiting for the MBP to become 5% faster? Are you going to notice that? Sure Montevina is going to be a big update, but so will Nahelm and ____ and ____, and oh don't get me started about ____. Stop waiting for the next best thing and buy your friggin laptop. Unlike regular PC notebooks, MBP's do not go out of style. Why does the Powerbook, a laptop made 4+ years ago, still look so snazzy today? And if you buy your MBP now and then it is updated in 6 months and you cannot handle not buying it, just sell your current set up and lose $3-400. When apple updates products, they are not forcing you to buy the next best thing you know :).

[AJ1BostonMASS]

I dont think they will redesign anything in the up coming months for a few a key reason

product difference

Macbook-white or black i guess its the step up from the mac mini kinda basic but still a mac:)

Macbook air-size of the macbook just what 2 pounds lighter? no cd drive etc meant for travelers the main idea on how it brings all the macs together are its al and has a backlit keyboard

Macbook pro- the grand daddy of em all most power they can fit in there its everything like the air just with the common stuff and a bigger screen

thats the thing they need different products if the macbook gets a new design there will be less difference in each product. Im sure if someone can have the look and backlit keyboard of the pro on the macbook they would sell even more

[AJ1BostonMASS]

Its a nice post but Apple reps don't know anything. Why would your friend's friend know any more then the folks at MR?

Anyways... I am going to get my MBP June 2nd or so, within 14 days of WWDC. That way I will be within my 14 days to return the laptop and get the new MBP if anything is announced. I cannot imagine anything happening in 2008 major like a laptop overhall if nothing is even mentioned in WWDC. I think January 15th will be the big reveal, but too long for me. I gotta have the laptop no later then September, and preferably early June.

I cannot find a laptop that looks as good as the MBP... aren't they good enough? What else would you like them to do? Why do we need blue ray on laptops. It is just going to cost an extra $400 and the difference in quality will only be noticeable if connected to an HDTV 32"+. Waiting for the MBP to become 5% faster? Are you going to notice that? Sure Montevina is going to be a big update, but so will Nahelm and ____ and ____, and oh don't get me started about ____. Stop waiting for the next best thing and buy your friggin laptop. Unlike regular PC notebooks, MBP's do not go out of style. Why does the Powerbook, a laptop made 4+ years ago, still look so snazzy today? And if you buy your MBP now and then it is updated in 6 months and you cannot handle not buying it, just sell your current set up and lose $3-400. When apple updates products, they are not forcing you to buy the next best thing you know :).

AMEN!

[jackinthebox]

TimeWaster- I just sold my mac pro because i wanted portability. I have been getting screwed in the ass for over a month by paypal and I'm still waiting for the three grand. Not having a computer is killing me, I also hope they aren't delayed too long either. Getting a new MBP before next semester would be clutch. Especially since I need it for all the programming I would do.

Hexonxonx- it was a friend of a friend story, but its a lot better than anybody else has been puttin up. The name of the site is MACRUMORS.COM, not MACCONFIRMEDNEWS.COM.

flamebourne- quad core laptops would be nice, i agree, but i will def need my MBP before that, ill get that quad core next time around:)

aswitcher- that is the only thing that is in the back of my mind about blu-ray in a MBP too. But you can always hope. Hopefully WWDC will tell all.

thinkband-
Its a nice post but Apple reps don't know anything. Why would your friend's friend know any more then the folks at MR?
As i previously stated, the person who my friend knows ISN'T AN APPLE REP... HE IS A TECH PERSON, someone who probably knows loads more about apple than the reps; and rumors take time to circulate, the person whom I got this information from had recently learned this(within the last couple of days), besides, not everyone responds to this particular site or even this thread for that matter.

as for the blu-ray, I would definitely pay $400 more for blu-ray support, for a couple of speculating reasons.

1)I have a 42" flatscreen, so movies would look great on it.

2)If they happened to ship it as a blu-ray burner, imagine the possibilities with the amount of storage on a single disc (A single-layer disc can hold 25GB. A dual-layer disc can hold 50GB. To ensure that the Blu-ray Disc format is easily extendable (future-proof) it also includes support for multi-layer discs, which should allow the storage capacity to be increased to 100GB-200GB (25GB per layer) in the future simply by adding more layers to the discs.).

I am also waiting because of the fact that they are switching logic boards(w/ those new Montevina chips). I have dealt personally with 4 bad logic boards in MB's and MBP's and the chance to wait for a brand new board that might just be a little bit better is not only data security, its also peace or mind and investment protection. That alone should make it worth the wait.

As for the new design, the current one is pretty sick, but the chance that the new design looks just a little bit cooler only adds to my curiosity.

AJ1BostonMass- I disagree with you about product difference. My general theory about the way the whole line is head as far as design makes sense. By cutting back the number of different raw materials they have to pull from around the world, they are saving money. It also leaves room for expansion because of the cut back of the cost of materials(possibly even better features or options). Steve Jobs is always looking to pinch pennies. Look at his salary, he pays himself $1 a year to avoid having to pay taxes on it, why wouldn't he want to cut product costs for more profit. The design itself, no matter how much it changes wont affect how the product sells. Its still an apple, and it will always be the hottest bag on the market.

P.S.- My g/f is from Andover, and Ive only been to Boston twice, but its where I want to live for the rest of my life. Great city man.

[thinkband]

TimeWaster- I just sold my mac pro because i wanted portability. I have been getting screwed in the ass for over a month by paypal and I'm still waiting for the three grand. Not having a computer is killing me, I also hope they aren't delayed too long either. Getting a new MBP before next semester would be clutch. Especially since I need it for all the programming I would do.

Hexonxonx- it was a friend of a friend story, but its a lot better than anybody else has been puttin up. The name of the site is MACRUMORS.COM, not MACCONFIRMEDNEWS.COM.

flamebourne- quad core laptops would be nice, i agree, but i will def need my MBP before that, ill get that quad core next time around:)

aswitcher- that is the only thing that is in the back of my mind about blu-ray in a MBP too. But you can always hope. Hopefully WWDC will tell all.

thinkband-

As i previously stated, the person who my friend knows ISN'T AN APPLE REP... HE IS A TECH PERSON, someone who probably knows loads more about apple than the reps; and rumors take time to circulate, the person whom I got this information from had recently learned this(within the last couple of days), besides, not everyone responds to this particular site or even this thread for that matter.

as for the blu-ray, I would definitely pay $400 more for blu-ray support, for a couple of speculating reasons.

1)I have a 42" flatscreen, so movies would look great on it.

2)If they happened to ship it as a blu-ray burner, imagine the possibilities with the amount of storage on a single disc (A single-layer disc can hold 25GB. A dual-layer disc can hold 50GB. To ensure that the Blu-ray Disc format is easily extendable (future-proof) it also includes support for multi-layer discs, which should allow the storage capacity to be increased to 100GB-200GB (25GB per layer) in the future simply by adding more layers to the discs.).

I am also waiting because of the fact that they are switching logic boards(w/ those new Montevina chips). I have dealt personally with 4 bad logic boards in MB's and MBP's and the chance to wait for a brand new board that might just be a little bit better is not only data security, its also peace or mind and investment protection. That alone should make it worth the wait.

As for the new design, the current one is pretty sick, but the chance that the new design looks just a little bit cooler only adds to my curiosity.

AJ1BostonMass- I disagree with you about product difference. My general theory about the way the whole line is head as far as design makes sense. By cutting back the number of different raw materials they have to pull from around the world, they are saving money. It also leaves room for expansion because of the cut back of the cost of materials(possibly even better features or options). Steve Jobs is always looking to pinch pennies. Look at his salary, he pays himself $1 a year to avoid having to pay taxes on it, why wouldn't he want to cut product costs for more profit. The design itself, no matter how much it changes wont affect how the product sells. Its still an apple, and it will always be the hottest bag on the market.

P.S.- My g/f is from Andover, and Ive only been to Boston twice, but its where I want to live for the rest of my life. Great city man.

I did not mean to degrade you friend's friend. Regardless of his affiliation with apple, he is still a Apple Representative. Perhaps he knows a little something that others do not, but as you admitted, it is nothing more than a rumor.

I on the hand am speaking from experience. I don't plan to wait the next 'big update' The current machines are quite capable. You have listed several features that appeal to you. I just do not think apple would put blu ray in their next laptops. If they did, I can imagine a lot of problems as well. You have your reasons, but most people like me just need a laptop and are just waiting because someone said something better is coming.

[jackinthebox]

thinkband- just out of curiosity, what problems do you foresee with the blu-ray in a MBP?

[jjahshik32]

Its a nice post but Apple reps don't know anything. Why would your friend's friend know any more then the folks at MR?

Anyways... I am going to get my MBP June 2nd or so, within 14 days of WWDC. That way I will be within my 14 days to return the laptop and get the new MBP if anything is announced. I cannot imagine anything happening in 2008 major like a laptop overhall if nothing is even mentioned in WWDC. I think January 15th will be the big reveal, but too long for me. I gotta have the laptop no later then September, and preferably early June.

I cannot find a laptop that looks as good as the MBP... aren't they good enough? What else would you like them to do? Why do we need blue ray on laptops. It is just going to cost an extra $400 and the difference in quality will only be noticeable if connected to an HDTV 32"+. Waiting for the MBP to become 5% faster? Are you going to notice that? Sure Montevina is going to be a big update, but so will Nahelm and ____ and ____, and oh don't get me started about ____. Stop waiting for the next best thing and buy your friggin laptop. Unlike regular PC notebooks, MBP's do not go out of style. Why does the Powerbook, a laptop made 4+ years ago, still look so snazzy today? And if you buy your MBP now and then it is updated in 6 months and you cannot handle not buying it, just sell your current set up and lose $3-400. When apple updates products, they are not forcing you to buy the next best thing you know :).

What if you buy your laptop in June 2 but then they dont update it until August.. or easily after 2 weeks is up for return.. then your plan is backfired.. also if you feel so strongly about what you just explained.. why not just purchase now? :D

[jjahshik32]

TimeWaster- I just sold my mac pro because i wanted portability. I have been getting screwed in the ass for over a month by paypal and I'm still waiting for the three grand. Not having a computer is killing me, I also hope they aren't delayed too long either. Getting a new MBP before next semester would be clutch. Especially since I need it for all the programming I would do.

Hexonxonx- it was a friend of a friend story, but its a lot better than anybody else has been puttin up. The name of the site is MACRUMORS.COM, not MACCONFIRMEDNEWS.COM.

flamebourne- quad core laptops would be nice, i agree, but i will def need my MBP before that, ill get that quad core next time around:)

aswitcher- that is the only thing that is in the back of my mind about blu-ray in a MBP too. But you can always hope. Hopefully WWDC will tell all.

thinkband-

As i previously stated, the person who my friend knows ISN'T AN APPLE REP... HE IS A TECH PERSON, someone who probably knows loads more about apple than the reps; and rumors take time to circulate, the person whom I got this information from had recently learned this(within the last couple of days), besides, not everyone responds to this particular site or even this thread for that matter.

as for the blu-ray, I would definitely pay $400 more for blu-ray support, for a couple of speculating reasons.

1)I have a 42" flatscreen, so movies would look great on it.

2)If they happened to ship it as a blu-ray burner, imagine the possibilities with the amount of storage on a single disc (A single-layer disc can hold 25GB. A dual-layer disc can hold 50GB. To ensure that the Blu-ray Disc format is easily extendable (future-proof) it also includes support for multi-layer discs, which should allow the storage capacity to be increased to 100GB-200GB (25GB per layer) in the future simply by adding more layers to the discs.).

I am also waiting because of the fact that they are switching logic boards(w/ those new Montevina chips). I have dealt personally with 4 bad logic boards in MB's and MBP's and the chance to wait for a brand new board that might just be a little bit better is not only data security, its also peace or mind and investment protection. That alone should make it worth the wait.

As for the new design, the current one is pretty sick, but the chance that the new design looks just a little bit cooler only adds to my curiosity.

AJ1BostonMass- I disagree with you about product difference. My general theory about the way the whole line is head as far as design makes sense. By cutting back the number of different raw materials they have to pull from around the world, they are saving money. It also leaves room for expansion because of the cut back of the cost of materials(possibly even better features or options). Steve Jobs is always looking to pinch pennies. Look at his salary, he pays himself $1 a year to avoid having to pay taxes on it, why wouldn't he want to cut product costs for more profit. The design itself, no matter how much it changes wont affect how the product sells. Its still an apple, and it will always be the hottest bag on the market.

P.S.- My g/f is from Andover, and Ive only been to Boston twice, but its where I want to live for the rest of my life. Great city man.

Could I ask why your still waiting for the 3 grand from paypal??

I just sold a mac pro at $4150 just 3 days ago and the money fully transfered over to my bank account as of today and I shipped out the mac pro.. I've never gotten any problems with paypal but just curious on what happened that you got screwed?? I'm glad that the payer used instant payment instead of a credit card where I did hear about scams using credit cards and paypal with holding your machine until you reimburse paypal and the original buyer...

Also I agree with you, I wanted portability/power and the best way to get it is of course the macbook pro. The mac pro on my sig was very fast and very nice but for me the mbp was more than fast enough for everything that I do. This is why I decided not to wait or focus on for the next revision and set my upgrade higher (nehalem or past nehalem so that I can keep this mbp longer). As long as it does what I want to do very well there is no need for faster/newer machines and just should enjoy it! I even know people that still use 6-7 year old powerbooks/powermacs and still fine with it!

I love the setup for the 23" ACD + the macbook pro as a desktop for more screen space and just unplugging to take my mbp along anywhere in the house or outside. It felt like a huge waste of money for having a 4k machine just sitting there while I used the mbp on my bed or couch... or the other way around using the mac pro while the mbp was getting neglected.. and knowing that either machine would do whatever I wanted to.. so I stuck with the 2.5" macbook pro (for portability when I need/want it) and kept my 23" ACD plugged into the mbp with a 1tb seagate barracuda external hdd in the owc mercury pro with fw800/esata to keep all my music/movies in + extracting huge files I drag it via fw800 to the 1tb seagate and let it do its job and works like a charm!

[n8236]

Since the introduction of the first gen MBPs running Core Duos, Apple and Intel has made steps forward, but not leaps like when they introduced the core duos.

My first gen mbp is still serving me well (though I would like it to support 4gb of ram) and I'm gonna hold off till, hopefully, early 2009 for the quad core blu-ray mbps to arrive.

I can see it now (2009 Mbp):

- Intel Quad-Core Inside (1.4ghz x4!)
- Blu-Ray superdrive (due to Sony winning the format wars)
- GPU? (I want to know!)
- 2gb (standard)
- 150gb hd
- Physical specs: thinner by borrowing tech and parts from mba (i guess 33% thinner)
- usb 3.0?

[AJ1BostonMASS]

AJ1BostonMass- I disagree with you about product difference. My general theory about the way the whole line is head as far as design makes sense. By cutting back the number of different raw materials they have to pull from around the world, they are saving money. It also leaves room for expansion because of the cut back of the cost of materials(possibly even better features or options). Steve Jobs is always looking to pinch pennies. Look at his salary, he pays himself $1 a year to avoid having to pay taxes on it, why wouldn't he want to cut product costs for more profit. The design itself, no matter how much it changes wont affect how the product sells. Its still an apple, and it will always be the hottest bag on the market.

P.S.- My g/f is from Andover, and Ive only been to Boston twice, but its where I want to live for the rest of my life. Great city man.


Hmm i never thought of it that way I can understand where it could work

ya Boston is great i wish i still lived there but its my hometown gotta love it:D

[thinkband]

thinkband- just out of curiosity, what problems do you foresee with the blu-ray in a MBP?

Well I cannot see into the future, but rev 1 products always have something wrong with them. I dunno why but they just do. We are also talking about new technology for apple, bluray. Which is why when the new mbp in the new case comes out (2009?), there will be many problems, which will be fixed in rev 2 and rev 3.


jjahshik32
If that happens, like I noted, I will see if the laptop features anything that really interests me. If it does, I will sell my MBP and get the newest model. Most likely it will not bother me to keep my 'dated' MBP. Why not buy it now? Well I have no use for it right now. I could definitely use it early June, which is when I am planning to purchase it, unless significant rumors come out of the air.

[TimeWaster101]

Well I cannot see into the future, but rev 1 products always have something wrong with them. I dunno why but they just do. We are also talking about new technology for apple, bluray. Which is why when the new mbp in the new case comes out (2009?), there will be many problems, which will be fixed in rev 2 and rev 3.


jjahshik32
If that happens, like I noted, I will see if the laptop features anything that really interests me. If it does, I will sell my MBP and get the newest model. Most likely it will not bother me to keep my 'dated' MBP. Why not buy it now? Well I have no use for it right now. I could definitely use it early June, which is when I am planning to purchase it, unless significant rumors come out of the air.

If you get a rev A product in June though and it goes bad within the 1st year (or 3 for those like me getting the extended plan) then they'll give you the latest MBP which might just be the new quad cores from next Jan. Either way, you can't go wrong.

I'm waiting because i don't NEED it now, so why not wait until the latest until I NEED it.

[®îçhå®?]

I would say quite likely. Look at the US and UK refurb stores. Both are showing discounts at around 30%. This normally indicates getting rid of some stock before new stuff comes out

[jackinthebox]

jjahshik32- i have no clue what is going on with paypal, they have been stonewalling me for over a month. I am actually planning on legal action as soon as i get out of school. Waiting for this money has caused me so much time, effort, and money that I am going to seek legal action, at least to get the money if not more. What happened was that for some reason they unverified my account(without warning), then they refused to verify me over 4 different occasions, even with official documentation. Doesnt sound kosher to me at least, so im really gonna go for the throat.

Just to ponder, what generation mac pro did you sell?

[raymanb]

I applaud Apple for incremental releases that add better processors and speed, heat, FSB, video, trackpad enhancements. At this point, none of those have compelled me to buy a replacement for my current MBP. When the cumulative feature set or redesign or 1 special enhancement comes along that tips the scale, I'll go in and buy the new one. I use my computer all day every day to run a company and present, and my current 1 1/2 year old MBP supports me just fine. I'd love a port replicator, and I have employees who bought later versions that can show me their applications starting faster, but nothing that falls into the REQUIREMENT category yet. Are there really people who want the latest enough to lose the time and money required to upgrade in such small increments? If so, I doubt it is because Apple planned the upgrades in a pattern to ensnare them by marketed releases.

[yttuty.jpg]

Hello, I'm new at macforums :]
I need some help :u
I own an HP and I would like to sell it to buy a Mac.. but I dont know what to do

right now I could sell this laptop and buy a Macbook ( the one of 2g RAM, super drive thing and stuff, I dont know if u know which one I'm refering to ), but, I dont know if I should wait for the WWDC, this way I will know if Apple will launch new macbooks or w/e

any suggestions?

and sry for my english, but I'm not a 100% english speaker, hope you understood me

[mrwindup]

I really hope there isn't an update. I bought the latest MBP already.

[jnc]

I really hope there isn't an update. I bought the latest MBP already.

So.... you have a MacBook Pro, now. What does it matter what comes out in the future? You'd have waited if you truly cared.

(Having said that... I might just crumble and purchase the new MBP myself :p WWDC occurs within the return policy's 2 week window, so if they choose to update there, I'm covered. Longer than that, though... and I think I'd have no qualms about keeping it)

[TimeWaster101]

Hello, I'm new at macforums :]
I need some help :u
I own an HP and I would like to sell it to buy a Mac.. but I dont know what to do

right now I could sell this laptop and buy a Macbook ( the one of 2g RAM, super drive thing and stuff, I dont know if u know which one I'm refering to ), but, I dont know if I should wait for the WWDC, this way I will know if Apple will launch new macbooks or w/e

any suggestions?

and sry for my english, but I'm not a 100% english speaker, hope you understood me

I would say wait. With intel pushing its latest more and more, there is a high chance of at least a MBP update if not a macbook update as well. I expect the macbook will go aluminum this summer so I'd wait. May not get much more out of it, but if you can you'll be better off. God Bless with your decision and either way you'll enjoy your new mac!

[yttuty.jpg]

I would say wait. With intel pushing its latest more and more, there is a high chance of at least a MBP update if not a macbook update as well. I expect the macbook will go aluminum this summer so I'd wait. May not get much more out of it, but if you can you'll be better off. God Bless with your decision and either way you'll enjoy your new mac!
mm wait until june or waint until when? :u:confused:

oh, and what's the name of the new intel thing and what are the advantages?

thx btw :)

[jnc]

I expect the macbook will go aluminum this summer so I'd wait. May not get much more out of it, but if you can you'll be better off. God Bless with your decision and either way you'll enjoy your new mac!

The MacBook went aluminium since January, and lost its optical drive and user upgradeable parts. ;)

[TimeWaster101]

The MacBook went aluminium since January, and lost its optical drive and user upgradeable parts. ;)

well I get your drift, but still..no. The Macbook will go aluminum. I could bet money on it. As of now, its the only Apple computer that's not aluminum. It makes sense that they'll bring it in line.

[TimeWaster101]

mm wait until june or waint until when? :u:confused:

oh, and what's the name of the new intel thing and what are the advantages?

thx btw :)

No one know for sure when, but if they come out at WWDC the second week in June then you'll probably be able to have one towards the end of July/early August.

You'll get a slightly higher bus speed and possibly(no one knows) blu-ray, better graphics, etc. But really, I want to wait in hope of a redesign, which it is currently WAY overdue for!

I think its worth waiting if you can. But if you badly need a new computer now for reasons such as your current one isn't working, etc. then the current model will most likely have close to the same performance as the next and will probably do just fine!

[thinkband]

I am purchasing a mbp on June 12, whether or not there are any updates. I wanna try it out and don't really care about the waiting game.

[yttuty.jpg]

No one know for sure when, but if they come out at WWDC the second week in June then you'll probably be able to have one towards the end of July/early August.

You'll get a slightly higher bus speed and possibly(no one knows) blu-ray, better graphics, etc. But really, I want to wait in hope of a redesign, which it is currently WAY overdue for!

I think its worth waiting if you can. But if you badly need a new computer now for reasons such as your current one isn't working, etc. then the current model will most likely have close to the same performance as the next and will probably do just fine!

Well I dont really need a new computer right now, my PC works fine ( its almost 1 year old ), but I'm not a patient person >_<
damn, I dont know what to do

[Wolfpup]

I am purchasing a mbp on June 12, whether or not there are any updates. I wanna try it out and don't really care about the waiting game.

Personally I'd wait if you're already waiting that long. Intel's newest speed bump launches in June, so new systems should be out somewhere in June through August.

[TimeWaster101]

Well I dont really need a new computer right now, my PC works fine ( its almost 1 year old ), but I'm not a patient person >_<
damn, I dont know what to do

Ya I'm not patient either! But I think you'll be happy if you wait! God Bless on your decision!

[jnc]

well I get your drift, but still..no. The Macbook will go aluminum. I could bet money on it. As of now, its the only Apple computer that's not aluminum. It makes sense that they'll bring it in line.

You think that's really significant? For a green reason, or...? Seems to be a good way of keeping the product lines distinct to me. They're so similar already - just screen (gpu/finish) and a few different ports separating them now...

[koobcamuk]

damn, I dont know what to do

go have sex, have a beer, go to the gym... [not necessarily in that order]

Just don't fret :)

[TimeWaster101]

go have sex, have a beer, go to the gym... [not necessarily in that order]

Just don't fret :)

I'd say nix that and pray!

[TimeWaster101]

You think that's really significant? For a green reason, or...? Seems to be a good way of keeping the product lines distinct to me. They're so similar already - just screen (gpu/finish) and a few different ports separating them now...

That's a good point, but I don't know. With even the iMac going aluminum, a all-aluminum product line seems inevitable. I guess we'll see this summer won't we!:)

[logic6]

Look at the MB Air, same case style as the MBP.

That said, a new keyboard, bigger (possibly much bigger) trackpad. I am wondering when they'll make the entire keyboard rest a trackpad.

What I want to see is a row of LCD keys (think Optimus).

Anyway, don't wait, that's a suckers game. The 2 months you spend with your mac will be worth it.

[johngardiner]

haha apple causes so much trouble with all this secrecy... if only someone here worked high up and could tell us haha. I wonder if apple loses many sales to other companies because of things like this... people that grow tired of waiting for a product refresh and never know when it's coming. Probably not though haha because I'm waiting!

[suprneb]

not that im bothered by it or anything, but how come people are talking about a macbook aluminum redesign if the title mentions only the mbp?

[jnc]

not that im bothered by it or anything, but how come people are talking about a macbook aluminum redesign if the title mentions only the mbp?

Because they're cheap and basically hanker for a MacBook with MBP features at MB price.

[TimeWaster101]

Look at the MB Air, same case style as the MBP.

That said, a new keyboard, bigger (possibly much bigger) trackpad. I am wondering when they'll make the entire keyboard rest a trackpad.

What I want to see is a row of LCD keys (think Optimus).

Anyway, don't wait, that's a suckers game. The 2 months you spend with your mac will be worth it.

Actually there are some distinct differences to the Macbook Air case and the Macbook pro case. While each are of aluminum, there general shape, screen opening mechanism, power cord, keyboard, edging, etc. are different. I'm not saying we'll necessarily see a huge change, but I think they'll get rid of the plastic edging, make a larger track pad, etc.

[suprneb]

haha apple causes so much trouble with all this secrecy... if only someone here worked high up and could tell us haha. I wonder if apple loses many sales to other companies because of things like this... people that grow tired of waiting for a product refresh and never know when it's coming. Probably not though haha because I'm waiting!

amen to that. :P

[phrygiana]

The time is nearing us to tell the truth.

But it looks like new Macbook Pro will find its way into the market

at least one month after the now-nearly-authorized-fact 3G iPhone

to be introducted at WWDC, since the release of two major products

on the same day will cancel out the aura of either of them. To avoid

the situation where the MacBook Pro get less spotlight than iPhone, Apple

may take time. It's really adrenaline-pumping to wait for the new fruit

from Apple orchard.

[jnc]

The time is nearing us to tell the truth.

But it looks like new Macbook Pro will find its way into the market

at least one month after the now-nearly-authorized-fact 3G iPhone... two major products

on the same day will cancel out the aura of either of them.

Remember the long-anticipated Mac Pro, one week before MacBook Air's MWSF08 introduction? Maybe Apple might pull something out their hat and have new MBPs ready for June 3 (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/18/next-mobile-intel-processors-montevina-due-in-june-2008/) (a Tuesday, no less!).

Wishful thinking, I know...

[jjahshik32]

jjahshik32- i have no clue what is going on with paypal, they have been stonewalling me for over a month. I am actually planning on legal action as soon as i get out of school. Waiting for this money has caused me so much time, effort, and money that I am going to seek legal action, at least to get the money if not more. What happened was that for some reason they unverified my account(without warning), then they refused to verify me over 4 different occasions, even with official documentation. Doesnt sound kosher to me at least, so im really gonna go for the throat.

Just to ponder, what generation mac pro did you sell?

I've sold the 2.8 8 core penryn mac pro the newest model. I was lucky enough that the buyer was a photographer and he even showed me his website and looked very nice and professional. I'm so glad to get the $4.5k back into the bank!

The one thing that scares me when buyers use paypal is when they pay you with a credit card and especially a amex credit card. Because if they decide that they want a refund from the credit card companies they will get the credit back from the credit card companies and the buyer gets their $$ back and they usually send the item back to paypal and paypal actually holds it until you reimburse the paypal! This is how people actually lose their item and have to pay the full amount to get your item back!

Anyways this almost happened to my younger brother from selling a thinkpad and the buyer told him that he will get his refund back from his credit card company and send the laptop back to paypal to hold onto just because my brother didnt include a copy of windows vista disc where he mentioned that it would be installed with vista but no mention of a disc. So my brother just bought a copy of vista and shipped it to the guy to make him happy.

Anyways this is one of the reason that I hate to resale laptops on ebay but so far everything I've sold, I've delt with nice people and they all actually paid with instant payment and not with a credit card.

[jnc]

paypal

I put my Mac Pro on sale at eBay as "collect only" but for some reason you were forced to list paypal as an option. When the buyer tried paying that way I was appalled that on top of final value fee, paypal would charge over £50 just for me to RECEIVE the money, and then I wouldn't be able to withdraw it all! A £650 limit per YEAR? What good is that to me when I'm selling a product worth twice that?

I had to refuse the payment and we worked out another arrangement; luckily I had an understanding buyer. To use eBay and Paypal would cost me almost £100 of a £1500 auction, and then over half of that amount would be floating around in Paypal's hands for ... a year? Screw that. I consider paypal unacceptable, for sellers at the very least... its rates and withdrawal restrictions are a joke!

[jjahshik32]

I put my Mac Pro on sale at eBay as "collect only" but for some reason you were forced to list paypal as an option. When the buyer tried paying that way I was appalled that on top of final value fee, paypal would charge over £50 just for me to RECEIVE the money, and then I wouldn't be able to withdraw it all! A £650 limit per YEAR? What good is that to me when I'm selling a product worth twice that?

I had to refuse the payment and we worked out another arrangement; luckily I had an understanding buyer. To use eBay and Paypal would cost me almost £100 of a £1500 auction, and then over half of that amount would be floating around in Paypal's hands for ... a year? Screw that. I consider paypal unacceptable, for sellers at the very least... its rates and withdrawal restrictions are a joke!

There is a way to unlock that amount of $$ that you can withdrawl. When I first signed up with paypal and before being verified I was only limited to $500 usd to be withdrawn. Now my limit is up to $5000. I think all you have to do is verify with your bank account or something like that for the unlock. I think paypal deposits to your bank account something like .05 cents and .01 cents or something random but it was 2 very very small deposits and you just verify the amount and your instantly verified. I forgot about the unlocking though but I remember at first it was $500 and now I'm up to $5000 or I forgot if it was $10,000.

I do agree and wish there was another method of payment but I guess when using paypal and when the buyer does use instant payment it does feel good to feel somewhat secure.

Dont forget though that when you list an item on ebay especially what I did with the mac pro that I sold, I've listed it an extra $130-$150 over to compensate for the fees and of course the separate fee for the shipping as well.

[jnc]

Dont forget though that when you list an item on ebay especially what I did with the mac pro that I sold, I've listed it an extra $130-$150 over to compensate for the fees and of course the separate fee for the shipping as well.

Good plan, I just put it up for best offer. It sold for about £200 less than I'd anticipated... so the extra restrictions were no good. I was waiting for the "verification" but here in the UK it's a "bank holiday" which no doubt has slowed everything down.

I'm looking to buy a MBP tomorrow so I needed a payment method that was a little more imperative ;)

[skd]

Why are so many people selling their Mac Pro for a MBP?

[jnc]

Why are so many people selling their Mac Pro for a MBP?

I'll tell you why. No iSight or IR sensor in this day and age is plain unnacceptable.

:p But, really, I just couldn't budget for two machines. At the time of purchase (January) there was no sign of a MBP at Macworld so I opted for the Mac Pro's 8-core standard "new blood" offering instead.

Having moved from a lowly MacBook (which I've since donated to a family member) and generally being floored at what Mac Pro offers, after purchase I had several moments where I've just thought "dang" because I only had a home system at a moment when I needed portability.

In an ideal world I'd have a Mac Pro+Dell 3008 and MBA, but I've compromised and opted for the MBP alone.

[jjahshik32]

I'll tell you why. No iSight or IR sensor in this day and age is plain unnacceptable.

:p But, really, I just couldn't budget for two machines. At the time of purchase (January) there was no sign of a MBP at Macworld so I opted for the Mac Pro's 8-core standard "new blood" offering instead.

Having moved from a lowly MacBook (which I've since donated to a family member) and generally being floored at what Mac Pro offers, after purchase I had several moments where I've just thought "dang" because I only had a home system at a moment when I needed portability.

In an ideal world I'd have a Mac Pro+Dell 3008 and MBA, but I've compromised and opted for the MBP alone.

Similar to my reasons. Since I already own a 23" ACD I loved it paired with the mac pro BUT I noticed that I didnt use more than 5%-8% of its core power + I dont game much at all.

And most of the time the mbp was just sitting there which could easily do everything I'd want to do and more so in the end I didnt want to waste money and sold the mac pro kept the $$ and loving the use of the mbp.

Its cool to own many toys but I like having 1 main machine.

[skd]

that's interesting........do either of you use your computer in a professional way (to make money) or is the computer used for personal use........

I have a 1st generation 17" MBP w/ a 30" ACD that I use in my architectural practice........I was thinking about upgrading to a Mac Pro, because with a lot of programs open there seem to be a lag.......

do you think the newer MBP are that much more powerful than the 1st generation?

cheers

[jnc]

that's interesting........do either of you use your computer in a professional way (to make money) or is the computer used for personal use........

I have a 1st generation 17" MBP w/ a 30" ACD that I use in my architectural practice........I was thinking about upgrading to a Mac Pro, because with a lot of programs open there seem to be a lag.......

do you think the newer MBP are that much more powerful than the 1st generation?

cheers

Mac Pro was an extravagance for me... as a CS3 user / light gamer I could easily get by on a lesser machine - I just liked the opportunity for expansion not present in other Apple machines. Its interior and exterior design is brilliant - installing more HDs or RAM is ridiculously simple.

Mac Pro is an amazing number-cruncher, if you use lots of processor intensive software you'll definitely appreciate the overall productivity gains.

I'm sure you'd notice a difference between your 1.83 - 2.16GHz Core Duo MBP and the newest (4th gen) 2.4 - 2.6GHz Penryn Core 2 Duo MBPs, too.

[skd]

thnx JNC for your thoughts.......the documentation I can find only shows about a 30% improvement in speed from the 1st generation to the 4th generations MBP. Does that sound about right to you?

[^squirrel^]

I sold my Mac Pro and i'm waiting until Mid June for a MBP. Reason why.....

I do 95% of my gaming on the Xbox 360 and didn't require all that process power.

The most strain i put on the machine is Handbrake and web design. Also the fact of having portability was too appealing, otherwise would have gone with iMac.

[macken]

I have read the rumors and now possible confirmation from a supplier that future Macbooks will have an Aluminum case. I wonder if Apple would take this opportunity to create a smaller, lighter MacBook Pro instead of just switching the case material. Or maybe Apple would do both, so you could finally get a compact machine with dedicated graphics like the old Powerbook 12"?

I have had two refurb 15" MBP develop problems and have returned both. I am now on the fence like others if I wait for the expected MB/MBP case refresh and/or a 13.3" MBP to appear post-WWDC.

[Westsider 4 Mac]

I have read the rumors and now possible confirmation from a supplier that future Macbooks will have an Aluminum case. I wonder if Apple would take this opportunity to create a smaller, lighter MacBook Pro instead of just switching the case material. Or maybe Apple would do both, so you could finally get a compact machine with dedicated graphics like the old Powerbook 12"?


...that :apple: makes a 12/13 inch full spec MBP that does not compromise features like the MBA...

[jnc]

...that :apple: makes a 12/13 inch full spec MBP that does not compromise features like the MBA...

How much do you expect that would cost? A full MBP costs $1999 and the MBA costs $1799. So where exactly does a 13" MBP fit in that lineup considering premiums for performance AND portability?

It would have to cost MORE than a 15 inch MBP, which makes no sense, or the prices would all need to be rethought.

[Westsider 4 Mac]

How much do you expect that would cost? A full MBP costs $1999 and the MBA costs $1799. So where exactly does a 13" MBP fit in that lineup considering premiums for performance AND portability?

It would have to cost MORE than a 15 inch MBP, which makes no sense, or the prices would all need to be rethought.

There is the $1899 slot available :D, besides, if the macbooks go aluminum as is the hot rumor, then I believe it will just be a matter of timing before a full fledged 13 inch MBP spec model is made available.:)

[jnc]

There is the $1899 slot available :D, besides, if the macbooks go aluminum as is the hot rumor, then I believe it will just be a matter of timing before a full fledged 13 inch MBP spec model is made available.:)

There's... no... way Apple would blur product lines quite so far as to have a MacBook Air, Aluminium MacBook AND a 13", 15" and 17" MacBook Pro.

If anything, Aluminium MacBook / 13" MacBook Pro would be the SAME product.

BlackBook specs with an alu enclosure, illum keyboard, LED, multitouch, matte screen option and perhaps a 128MB GPU. At best. No way would I hold my breath for that though...

Also, Apple proudly advertising MacBooks having

a durable polycarbonate shell ... ready for the rough and tumble of everyday life (http://www.apple.com/macbook/design.html)

- doesn't lend credence to the aluminium rumours.

[DCSMAC]

what else would they say? "the macbook has a crappy plastic shell that is prone to cracking"? i think not...

[jnc]

what else would they say? "the macbook has a crappy plastic shell that is prone to cracking"? i think not...

Way to miss the point.

[ryan.pro]

You know what I find very interesting? Where I live, all the different Apple Authorized Resellers have promos in which they give you free softwares and gifts after you buy a cheaper priced MacBook Pro. Well for all of them, the promo ends in 9th June. Is this a coincidence or not, because the Apple Worldwide Developers Conference starts in the 9th of June. Verdict?