Gov't Can Listen to Your iPhone Mic Even When Off?!

[liberty4all]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=O61YfvPZGJs&feature=related

So is THIS why the iPhone's battery is not easily removable?!

This is a Fox news report from 12/05/06 telling how the FBI can turn on the mic on your cell phone and eaves drop even with the phone is turned off.

[iJohnHenry]

And here I thought it was just the GPS function that I should be concerned with??

How will I place my "contracts" now with any kind of stealth??

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[G5Unit]

This is a big "WTF?"

[polishmacuser]

man thats just messed up but seriously were is our freedom in a way its good and in a way its bad but mostly bad, i wish they can use this feature to find the bastard who stole me iphone:mad:

[QuarterSwede]

Eh, as long as they don't charge me minutes I could care less. Can't arrest me for something I haven't done. This type of freedom in America has always been an illusion anyway.

[Surely]

I think the first problem here is that it's from Fox "News".

P.S. Ron Paul's an ass.

[aethelbert]

I think the first problem here is that it's from Fox "News".
Well, who do you want to tell this to you? It's not like any other "news" agency can do any better today.

[therevolution]

Eh, as long as they don't charge me minutes I could care less. Can't arrest me for something I haven't done.

Careful. That's a heck of a slippery slope.

What if they listened in while you were having sex, or going to the bathroom, or discussing sensitive information? None of those are illegal. How about if it was the camera they were controlling? Unless you think 1984 is a utopian fantasy novel, you need to draw the line somewhere.

[Surely]

Well, who do you want to tell this to you? It's not like any other "news" agency can do any better today.


There are no stupid questions, but there sure are a lot of inquisitive idiots.


Hahahahaha. Classic.

Yeah, keep pretending that all cable news channels are created equal. Fox has zero credibility. They sell newsertainment.

[liberty4all]

Is Your Cell Phone Bugged?

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ujosfSkHFrQ

This short video explores ways to determine if your cell phone has been compromised to act as a bug. While it's obviously unlikely that this would happen to most people, it was recently revealed that the FBI has used this technique, and just as illicit wiretaps are possible, illicit cell phone bugging could also occur.

This video is based on Lauren Weinstein's December 2006 blog entry: "How To Tell If Your Cell Phone Is Bugged" located at:
http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000202.html

[Ill Mitch]

:rolleyes: Anything that Fox news reports can't be taken too seriously.

[Surely]

:rolleyes: Anything that Fox news reports can't be taken too seriously.

At least us Toronto boys know it. (I moved to LA in Feb- I lived in the St. Lawrence Market 'hood before I moved.)

Enjoying the snow?:D


Oops, sorry for hi-jacking the thread a little. Fox "News" is gonna raise the Terror Alert.....

[SFStateStudent]

the other night and I thought it was "Entertainment Tonight" or "The Insider" I busted out laughing when it was Fox News!!! I laughed so hard, my side started to hurt. Please don't take anything that Fox News puts out there as "REAL NEWS!" :eek::D

[QuarterSwede]

Careful. That's a heck of a slippery slope.

What if they listened in while you were having sex, or going to the bathroom, or discussing sensitive information? None of those are illegal. How about if it was the camera they were controlling? Unless you think 1984 is a utopian fantasy novel, you need to draw the line somewhere.
While I understand the concept we've just never had this type of privacy in the US to begin with. People just think we do. I read an excellent article sometime back backing up this claim (wish I could find it). It went to the tune of privacy was even more lax back in the old days where people lived in small towns and everyone knew everyone and everything that went on in the town. A lot less privacy in that case.

[landis]

At least us Toronto boys know it. (I moved to LA in Feb- I lived in the St. Lawrence Market 'hood before I moved.)

Enjoying the snow?:D


Oops, sorry for hi-jacking the thread a little. Fox "News" is gonna raise the Terror Alert.....

go T DOT

unfortunately the 'feds' cannot tap our phones!!

[therevolution]

While I understand the concept we've just never had this type of privacy in the US to begin with. People just think we do. I read an excellent article sometime back backing up this claim (wish I could find it). It went to the tune of privacy was even more lax back in the old days where people lived in small towns and everyone knew everyone and everything that went on in the town. A lot less privacy in that case.

Bad analogy. You're talking about a different kind of privacy. Actually, you're talking more about anonymity. Even in the small town scenario, people don't gossip about your credit card numbers or social security numbers. They don't have a bug in your house to listen in on anything you otherwise thought was spoken in confidentiality (not talking about party lines, at least then you know others can pick up the phone and listen).

To suggest the government already knows everything we do is ridiculous. If that were true, then I guess murderers and rapists are caught and convicted 100% of the time? Because if I truly have no privacy, then I better at least get that.

Privacy is a fundamental human need. You may not realize it now, but it is. The founders of this country agree; otherwise, we wouldn't have the 4th Amendment. There are many aspects about yourself, some of which you may be comfortable revealing. But to suggest that we've never had privacy and never will - in any form - and that we should therefore not care is... well... wrong. Really wrong. I think most people get that.

[KilGil27]

ah fox news... :rolleyes:

[JBaker122586]

You're right, guys.
Fox News is terrible.
Why would they report such complete ********* all the time?

Oh wait, here's the same story on news.com:
http://www.news.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html

Why don't you go watch MSNBC so you can enjoy Keith Olbermann talking about Fox News for an hour?

[cupofjoe]

Ahhhhh Faux News.

[chewbaccacabra]

This has been in many places . . . I am not defending FOX, hate 'em, but this story has been pretty much all over the alternative media for the past couple of years.

[hegor]

Careful. That's a heck of a slippery slope.

What if they listened in while you were having sex, or going to the bathroom, or discussing sensitive information? None of those are illegal. How about if it was the camera they were controlling? Unless you think 1984 is a utopian fantasy novel, you need to draw the line somewhere.

I put my iphone under my imac speakers. I just hope whoever at the FBI is listening in to my phone enjoys pink floyd.

[mouchoir]

Eh, as long as they don't charge me minutes I could care less. Can't arrest me for something I haven't done. This type of freedom in America has always been an illusion anyway.

Sure they can. Conspiracy to do something ;)

[liberty4all]

So I would say this is due for a security fix from Apple! Anyone submitted it yet?

http://www.wasc.noaa.gov/wrso/security_guide/cellular.htm#4.

Vulnerability to Being Used as a Microphone

A cellular telephone can be turned into a microphone and transmitter for the purpose of listening to conversations in the vicinity of the phone. This is done by transmitting to the cell phone a maintenance command on the control channel. This command places the cellular telephone in the "diagnostic mode." When this is done, conversations in the immediate area of the telephone can be monitored over the voice channel. 4

The user doesn't know the telephone is in the diagnostic mode and transmitting all nearby sounds until he or she tries to place a call. Then, before the cellular telephone can be used to place calls, the unit has to be cycled off and then back on again. This threat is the reason why cellular telephones are often prohibited in areas where classified or sensitive discussions are held.

4. "Just How Secure Is Your Cellular Phone?" article in National Reconnaissance Organization newsletter,1997.

[preguntonontrac]

man thats just messed up but seriously were is our freedom in a way its good and in a way its bad but mostly bad, i wish they can use this feature to find the bastard who stole me iphone:mad:
Man also the ******* that stole my wife, she took my iphone...

just jking

[liberty4all]

Another reason to support EFF:
http://www.eff.org/

Where does your representative stand?

For more than five years, AT&T and other telephone companies broke the law and violated their customers' privacy rights by sending billions of private domestic internet and telephone communications and records to the National Security Agency.

The Bush administration has been lobbying Congress to let the phone companies off the hook. But recently, the House of Representatives stood strong and passed a bill that would hold them accountable.

http://www.stopthespying.org/

[SFC Archer]

Amazing...What a bunch of parnoid individuals, also brainwashed by the media and their spy stories. You must think that you are pretty important to even remotely think that your privacy is being invaded by the government activating and monitoring your phones. Wake up people...you ain't that important!

Unless you are already a criminal or intending illegal actions, the "Government" does not have the personel, the time or the money to monitor, track, decipher and respond to every friggin cell phone in this country. The tracking mechanisms that may be out there are already focused where they need to be and screen for certain words, phrases or actions committed by known or suspect criminals. Your fears are so unfounded that it is pathetic.

This thread is joke of parnoia and insecurity:rolleyes:

[QuarterSwede]

But to suggest that we've never had privacy and never will - in any form - and that we should therefore not care is... well... wrong. Really wrong. I think most people get that.
I never said we shouldn't care, I just don't. My main point is that we have always had less privacy than anyone thinks. However, I don't think the government is listening to everyone because that is illogical.

Back on topic: Has anyone ever had a friend call who didn't realize the phone had dialed? It's happened to me many times and almost every time I can't tell what's being said or even where they are for that matter. I agree with SFC Archer: paranoia is the word of the thread.

[Blevyouknow]

Amazing...What a bunch of parnoid individuals, also brainwashed by the media and their spy stories. You must think that you are pretty important to even remotely think that your privacy is being invaded by the government activating and monitoring your phones. Wake up people...you ain't that important!

Unless you are already a criminal or intending illegal actions, the "Government" does not have the personel, the time or the money to monitor, track, decipher and respond to every friggin cell phone in this country. The tracking mechanisms that may be out there are already focused where they need to be and screen for certain words, phrases or actions committed by known or suspect criminals. Your fears are so unfounded that it is pathetic.

This thread is joke of parnoia and insecurity:rolleyes:

I never said we shouldn't care, I just don't. My main point is that we have always had less privacy than anyone thinks. However, I don't think the government is listening to everyone because that is illogical.

Back on topic: Has anyone ever had a friend call who didn't realize the phone had dialed? It's happened to me many times and almost every time I can't tell what's being said or even where they are for that matter. I agree with SFC Archer: paranoia is the word of the thread.


Dead on!

Put on your foil hats folks cause if you believe the government is listening to you and the old lady slapping skin through your pretty little iPhone, you need to refocus some of that energy on more important things.

[RHD]

I read about this a while back.
I forsee an episode of the Sopranos (I'm in the UK and don't have cable so haven't seen the end yet) where the guys stack their phones outside under guard before they go into a meeting.
As ever, the big guys will know about it and take precautions. A few little guys will get caught, then everyone will know about it, and then it will become fairly useless again as anyone doing anything dodgy will leave the phone at home.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't elect other governments at the earliest opportunity and tell them to do a LOT better.

[therevolution]

Put on your foil hats folks cause if you believe the government is listening to you and the old lady slapping skin through your pretty little iPhone, you need to refocus some of that energy on more important things.


This thread is joke of parnoia and insecurity:rolleyes:

Relax, you two. I don't actually believe it is being done now, nor did I say that. But I think it's an important discussion to have, and I want to challenge the people who say they don't care. I think everyone should care about what's happening to their legal rights to privacy, because we ARE losing them bit by bit. Maybe it's not a big deal to you at this moment, but how far are you willing to let it go?

Or, if you prefer, just call me names and ignore the issue. :rolleyes:

However, I don't think the government is listening to everyone because that is illogical.

Yes, I agree. They don't have the resources right now, and I get the feeling that's the basis for your indifference. But what if they did? Would you still feel the same way?

[dejo]

They don't have the resources right now...
Actually, they kinda do.
NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm)