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LEStudios
Mar 26, 2008, 02:19 PM
Yeah has anybody done this yet or will I be the first? I already upgraded my Mac Mini to 4GB using Kingston PC2-5300 memory that was on sale for $79.99 at Fry's Electronics or if you want it online www.frys.com . My next move since I see way faster of applications operations that improved despite it utilizing 75% of the total memory because of lack of a firmware update. I'm more interested in putting a solid state drive in the Mac Mini. I seen how fast the Mac Book Air was running on SSD. I honest was very impressed. It just ALL my years messing with computers I've never seen a computer move so fast. Everything was instantaneously. Also after reading the article below I then became more intrigued. If anybody got any input on this please post it. :apple:

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4259



iMpathetic
Mar 26, 2008, 02:23 PM
Why in the name of all that is good and holy would you want to drop $3000 on an SSD for a mini?

If you do, you might as well upgrade the processor to a 2.33GHz.

LEStudios
Mar 26, 2008, 02:39 PM
Why in the name of all that is good and holy would you want to drop $3000 on an SSD for a mini?

If you do, you might as well upgrade the processor to a 2.33GHz.

Why not? You got people out there that spend $500 on a Sealed iSight camera on eBay. There's people out there spending $3,000 on a computer and using to play Solitaire and surf the web. There's guy spend 5 times as much on a 454 Big Block Engine as part reconstructing of a '68 Chevy Pickup. Also the main reason I'm doing it it's freaking sweet! :D

Pressure
Mar 26, 2008, 04:17 PM
Why not buy a Mac Pro and RAID-0 some drives? :D

LEStudios
Mar 26, 2008, 04:36 PM
Why not buy a Mac Pro and RAID-0 some drives? :D

My Mac Pro plans are 32GB PC6400 with 4TB SATA II (four 1TB Seagate) with Apple Raid, NVIDIA 8800GT 512MB DDR3 with 30" Cinema HD that HDCP supported. Honestly I rather wait for Apple announcing Blu-Ray Drives in the lines before making any large purchases. That away I won't have any regrets. The Mac Mini right now is the main computer until the Mac Pro I specified comes into the picture, so for now I'm making the best of it. :D

clyde2801
Mar 26, 2008, 04:42 PM
Why in the name of all that is good and holy would you want to drop $3000 on an SSD for a mini?

If you do, you might as well upgrade the processor to a 2.33GHz.

That would be bad@$$, let's be honest.

utekineir
Mar 26, 2008, 04:52 PM
It will match well with the monster optical cable you use.

LEStudios
Mar 26, 2008, 05:35 PM
That would be bad@$$, let's be honest.

Thanks, I knew I wasn't the only who want to see it. I want this to be my title but I know it won't last forever: :D

The World's Fastest Mac Mini Ever!

Pope Jawn Pawl
Mar 26, 2008, 07:12 PM
Uhhh...SSD's aren't that much faster than good hard drives.

supercooled
Mar 26, 2008, 07:21 PM
I see you've also bought into Monster Cables so money is of no obvious concern. Go for it! More dollars than sense but it's your money.

LEStudios
Mar 26, 2008, 09:35 PM
Uhhh...SSD's aren't that much faster than good hard drives.

OK, well show me a non-flash hard drive with these specs and yeah gotta be a 2.5" SATA HDD why you at it! :rolleyes:

Rated R/W Performance: 100MB/s read, >100MB/s write, .1ms access

LEStudios
Mar 26, 2008, 09:46 PM
I see you've also bought into Monster Cables so money is of no obvious concern. Go for it! More dollars than sense but it's your money.


Dude you brought a Dell! I believe you really wanted a $1999 30" Dell 3008WFP monitor, didn't you? I'm pretty sure that you could have gotten a 24" HP for $499 or have a matching New Apple 23" Cinema Display for $899 or $749 Refurb. Because it looks like we got a lot in common. "More dollars than sense but it's your money." :D

sohaness
Mar 26, 2008, 09:48 PM
i thought the mini could only take a max of 2gb ram?

clyde2801
Mar 26, 2008, 10:11 PM
i thought the mini could only take a max of 2gb ram?

the c2d will support 3.something gigs, like the last generation c2d white imacs. apple will only support 2gigs. then again, apple doesn't support solid state drives in the mac mini, either.

LEStudios
Mar 27, 2008, 05:52 AM
the c2d will support 3.something gigs, like the last generation c2d white imacs. apple will only support 2gigs. then again, apple doesn't support solid state drives in the mac mini, either.

It's shows 4GB but the system can only Utilize 3GB of it. If Apple wanted to they could send a firmware update where then the system can see 4GB and uses 4GB, but that's not happening like those who owns a Airport Express. The New Airport Express with 802.11n I feel was a firmware update to utilize 802.11n, but rather users to spend another $99 for a New Airport Express instead of spend $1.99 to update the old one. Apple would make 50 times the money by getting new customers. Just like MAC OS X new versions getting us to spend $129 for a New OS every 2-3 years. This particular SSD has a SATA interface and it' has a height of 9.5mm so it can go in typical 2.5" areas like PC notebook computers well as MacBooks and MacBook Pros, Mac Minis, AppleTVs and if I wanted to, a Playstation 3 (Now thats a waste of money!) :D

psychofreak
Mar 27, 2008, 05:59 AM
It's shows 4GB but the system can only Utilize 3GB of it. If Apple wanted to they could send a firmware update where then the system can see 4GB and uses 4GB, but that's not happening like those who owns a Airport Express. The New Airport Express with 802.11n I feel was a firmware update to utilize 802.11n, but rather users to spend another $99 for a New Airport Express instead of spend $1.99 to update the old one. Apple would make 50 times the money by getting new customers. Just like MAC OS X new versions getting us to spend $129 for a New OS every 2-3 years.

The RAM limit is hardware, not software (http://guides.macrumors.com/Understanding_Intel_Mac_RAM). The old Express does not have an 11n chip. You don't have to buy every OS, they put a lot of work into updating it.

waremaster
Mar 27, 2008, 06:10 AM
It's shows 4GB but the system can only Utilize 3GB of it. If Apple wanted to they could send a firmware update where then the system can see 4GB and uses 4GB, but that's not happening like those who owns a Airport Express. The New Airport Express with 802.11n I feel was a firmware update to utilize 802.11n, but rather users to spend another $99 for a New Airport Express instead of spend $1.99 to update the old one. Apple would make 50 times the money by getting new customers. Just like MAC OS X new versions getting us to spend $129 for a New OS every 2-3 years. This particular SSD has a SATA interface and it' has a height of 9.5mm so it can go in typical 2.5" areas like PC notebook computers well as MacBooks and MacBook Pros, Mac Minis, AppleTVs and if I wanted to, a Playstation 3 (Now thats a waste of money!) :D



Why again is a Playstation 3 a waste of money?

clyde2801
Mar 27, 2008, 06:14 AM
Why in the name of all that is good and holy would you want to drop $3000 on an SSD for a mini?

If you do, you might as well upgrade the processor to a 2.33GHz.

Why do some people drop porsche engines in a honda civic? I dunno, because they can? I guess it's a guy thing...

Apogee
Mar 27, 2008, 07:03 AM
OK, well show me a non-flash hard drive with these specs and yeah gotta be a 2.5" SATA HDD why you at it! :rolleyes:

Rated R/W Performance: 100MB/s read, >100MB/s write, .1ms access

So? How much of that translates into real world performance?

Show me a computer that spends all its time doing disk IO and I will show you a computer that has too little memory.

iMpathetic
Mar 27, 2008, 07:05 AM
So, OP, is a processor upgrade to 2.33GHz in the future?

LEStudios
Mar 27, 2008, 07:35 AM
Why again is a Playstation 3 a waste of money?

I use to say it's worth it to use as a Blu-Ray player and that was it. Then I discovered that they do not support internally decoding DTS HD Master Audio or even shoot out as PCM to a Receiver that can decode DTS HD Master Audio. I got a lot of Fox Blu-Ray Movies that I was looking forward to listen in DTS HD Master Audio. Which by the way blows Dolby TrueHD out the water! :D

pilotError
Mar 27, 2008, 07:36 AM
What are you doing with it?

My big beef about doing much with my mini is mainly because of the on-chip graphics.

I just bought some memory and a bigger disk to put into it. I'm also pulling a 2.0 Ghz core duo out of my iMac, since I have a 2.3 Ghz core 2 chip to put in it.

I doubt I'd spend the cash to do the SSD upgrade though.

If it's just for the wow factor, thats cool, I don't know if I would use it as a workhorse machine though.

LEStudios
Mar 27, 2008, 07:52 AM
So? How much of that translates into real world performance?

Show me a computer that spends all its time doing disk IO and I will show you a computer that has too little memory.

Read the review. Also since I been installing Windows XP & Vista (Once, I really hate that OS) that takes a lot of time installing. For a Vista to take total of 25 minutes on a clean install there's your real world performance! Keep in mind Vista needs at least 15GB to install where as XP needs 1.5 at least. You do the math of real world performance or go to a retailer that has a MacBook Air with SSD on Display and see for yourself. Open Memory usage programs like iPhoto, Garageband, iMovie and see for yourself. I tested the MacBook Air and I was shocked. I had a Flash Drive with a 256Kbps AAC of Eagles Hotel California. I set iTunes to copy to hard drive and when I clicked to play it was already copied. That was Intel Core Duo 2 1.8GHz with 4MB L2 cache and 2GB PC2-5300 memory with a 64GB SSD SLC comparing this to a Mac Mini with 2GHz Core Duo 2 with 4MB L2 Cache, 4GB PC2-5300 memory with a 128GB SSD SLC. I expect the results to be equal or better, but really expect the best. I'm about to do something now that would be the blueprint or foundation of the future computing Solid State Drive will be everywhere but will take up 5 years for it to become mainstream. I loved the idea of having a Raid 0 of four 4TB SSDs in a 32-core 9.6GHz per core Mac Pro Ultra with 64GB 2GHz memory. Yeah watch the next 5 years and comeback to this and say I was right! ;)

LEStudios
Mar 27, 2008, 08:05 AM
What are you doing with it?

My big beef about doing much with my mini is mainly because of the on-chip graphics.

I just bought some memory and a bigger disk to put into it. I'm also pulling a 2.0 Ghz core duo out of my iMac, since I have a 2.3 Ghz core 2 chip to put in it.

I doubt I'd spend the cash to do the SSD upgrade though.

If it's just for the wow factor, thats cool, I don't know if I would use it as a workhorse machine though.

As a workhorse machine well we about to find out how Intel Core Duo 2, 4GB and a 128GB SSD workout. ONLY thing is I'm shocked that I would be the first. I thought with all of the MacManiacs somebody would have done this already. Times must be really tight! :eek:

Jcoz
Mar 27, 2008, 08:07 AM
I use to say it's worth it to use as a Blu-Ray player and that was it. Then I discovered that they do not support internally decoding DTS HD Master Audio or even shoot out as PCM to a Receiver that can decode DTS HD Master Audio. I got a lot of Fox Blu-Ray Movies that I was looking forward to listen in DTS HD Master Audio. Which by the way blows Dolby TrueHD out the water! :D

For audiophiles, sure the PS3 falls short, but for ANYONE else (95% of people probably) its more than a deal at 399. The speed and upconversion is spectacular, so while not ideal for a THEATRE...for the living room without 7.1 sound (which most living rooms do not have the space to accomidate anyhow), not only is the PS3 NOT a waste of money, its the very best value in its class, so to speak.

Correction: Probably isnt right for me to say BEST value, unless you will use the PS3 at least a LITTLE for its other functions...just trying to be fair.

waremaster
Mar 27, 2008, 08:53 AM
I use to say it's worth it to use as a Blu-Ray player and that was it. Then I discovered that they do not support internally decoding DTS HD Master Audio or even shoot out as PCM to a Receiver that can decode DTS HD Master Audio. I got a lot of Fox Blu-Ray Movies that I was looking forward to listen in DTS HD Master Audio. Which by the way blows Dolby TrueHD out the water! :D

I can appreciate your dislike of the fact that that feature is missing. I will say it is far from a waste of money. As of Tuesday (fw 2.20) it became one of the first Profile 2.0 blu-ray players on the market. And as a media device it does quite nicely. And surfing the web using a keyboard and mouse on it is quite enjoyable as well. Short of the video rental it's a better device than the Apple TV. And using Nullriver's Medialink on the Mac it accomplishes the same tasks. And to add to that not many standalone blu-ray players support the DTS-HD right now either. You have to get into a serious player before they do.

pilotError
Mar 27, 2008, 08:59 AM
Yeah watch the next 5 years and comeback to this and say I was right! ;)

I don't think your all that off the mark, but it seems impracticle cost wise for a mini. I wasn't aware the high speed SSD's were out yet. The current technology is going to get blown away in the next 6-9 months in terms of both read and write performance. I fully expect Intel to validate the market. They wouldn't be in it for low returns though. They can put all those old fabrication plants to work churning these things out.

I've been using SSD's in the corporate environment for a number of years now (at least 15). The payback really isn't there for most applications. I didn't really see the point of using one on the desktop / laptop until you talk about power savings for batteries. The rotating disk market has been more or less keeping up all this time.

ONLY thing is I'm shocked that I would be the first. I thought with all of the MacManiacs somebody would have done this already. Times must be really tight! :eek:

I would check the xlr8yourmac forums. That's where you see most of the Hard Core upgraders among other places.

bogman12
Mar 27, 2008, 01:49 PM
Do we really need to figure out his reasoning of installing an SSD drive into a mini? His signature indicates he is a Monster Cable believer. That is all we need to know.

LEStudios
Mar 29, 2008, 10:41 PM
Do we really need to figure out his reasoning of installing an SSD drive into a mini? His signature indicates he is a Monster Cable believer. That is all we need to know.

Yeah and your point? I been hearing regular cables then Monster with more insulation and more material for better signal transfer. I been using Monster Cable for 16 years now. I will be that customer. It just I don't like Bose that's the brand that brainwash people into spending $2,000 on a system whereas a $500 on system can do the same job. I mean lot of my friends come to my house and hear the Mac Mini on the Logitech Z-5500 using Monster Cable Optical Cable. They was impressed. I mean I can hear my iTunes purchase with lot more detail one Apple audio output on their products is mind boggling and then Logitech I feel make some damn good speakers. I only had X-230 and then when I get the chance got the Z-5500 for $218 from Buy.com. I'm happy with my purchases because of research and product testing. :D

utekineir
Mar 30, 2008, 01:05 AM
you're right, that 0100110101 is a whole lot crisper from monster

NIPRING
Mar 30, 2008, 01:23 AM
Why all the hating ? This guy is trying to max out his mac, its his money. If i had the money i'd do the same thing. :apple:

toru173
Mar 30, 2008, 06:01 AM
If you want to really max out your mini, you could always check out this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=297040) I started a while back. The guys over at 123macmini (http://www.123macmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14446&start=90) have managed to get a couple of RAID cards working in the mini using a similar technique. Surely, RAID is faster then any SSD!

LEStudios
Mar 30, 2008, 09:17 AM
If you want to really max out your mini, you could always check out this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=297040) I started a while back. The guys over at 123macmini (http://www.123macmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14446&start=90) have managed to get a couple of RAID cards working in the mini using a similar technique. Surely, RAID is faster then any SSD!

What??? :eek:
Hell NO! I'm not doing that! I'm put a 128GB SSD and that's it anything extra then I do a Western Digital 2TB External Hard Drive. :D

Why all the hating ? This guy is trying to max out his mac, its his money. If i had the money i'd do the same thing. :apple:

No Crap all I see is PowerPC processors in your line of Macs. :D

digitalnicotine
Mar 30, 2008, 09:39 AM
OP, I like your sense of humor (in your responses). Don't worry, I have no intentions of questioning your budget or reasoning, hehe. I'd love to see how this turns out (post some benchmarks or something). I'm waiting for an update to get a mini, and am mainly attracted to the form factor. It will be a secondary Mac system, so I doubt I'll be following in your footsteps, but I still find this interesting. And now I'm off to play solitaire on my new Alienware laptop. :p ;)

Zygon Gambit
Mar 30, 2008, 11:06 AM
the c2d will support 3.something gigs, like the last generation c2d white imacs. apple will only support 2gigs. then again, apple doesn't support solid state drives in the mac mini, either.
Is it best to put in one 1Gig stick, and one 2Gig stick then? It seems a waste putting in two 2Gig ones: unless they have to be paired in some way...?

digitalnicotine
Mar 30, 2008, 11:11 AM
Is it best to put in one 1Gig stick, and one 2Gig stick then? It seems a waste putting in two 2Gig ones: unless they have to be paired in some way...?

I think having matched (paired) ram sets (even two 2gig's on a system that will only utilize 3.3gigs) allows you to reap certain benefits over having a 1gig and 2gig ram chip. How much of a difference this makes in theory vs. day to day usage is not something I'm certain of, but I did the same (4gigs) in my MBP 2.33 ghz. Even if the boost is purely psychological, I'm happy with the results. :)

LEStudios
Mar 30, 2008, 03:08 PM
Is it best to put in one 1Gig stick, and one 2Gig stick then? It seems a waste putting in two 2Gig ones: unless they have to be paired in some way...?

I got Kingston 4GB Kit (two 2GB PC2-5300) online at www.frys.com they was $72.99 but I got mine locally for $79.99. The system shows 4GB plus I get 128-bit memory addressing. This better to have to equal matching pairs then the odd couple. The system is way faster plus it definitely more responsive. Which brought me to the idea since my memory is max out why not complete it with Solid State Drive! :D

bogman12
Apr 7, 2008, 12:44 PM
you're right, that 0100110101 is a whole lot crisper from monster

LOL! OWNED

Jack Flash
Apr 7, 2008, 01:14 PM
you're right, that 0100110101 is a whole lot crisper from monster

PRICELESS!

robeddie
Apr 16, 2009, 01:52 PM
Why all the hating ? This guy is trying to max out his mac, its his money. If i had the money i'd do the same thing. :apple:

Agreed. For goodness sakes, he's asking for advice on an SSD for his mac mini, and instead of any advice, he gets analyzed/criticized to death.

Criminey, I want an SSD for my Mini as well ... I'm just not sure what's out there and would love some specific examples of what drives would fit/work in the mini.

So I go to this thread and discover nothing but a bunch of people cracking on this guy for asking the question. :(

cleric
Apr 16, 2009, 05:07 PM
It will match well with the monster optical cable you use.

Owned.

robeddie
Apr 16, 2009, 06:26 PM
Owned.

the responses in this thread (like the one above) are f---ked.

How about we analyze the way everyone here uses their computer, and the purchasing choices they make and then make fun of them if we think they are silly.

That would be endless fun.

BTW, sorry about the buzz kill, but I just think people are being *******s here.

OldMike
Apr 16, 2009, 08:52 PM
the responses in this thread (like the one above) are f---ked.

How about we analyze the way everyone here uses their computer, and the purchasing choices they make and then make fun of them if we think they are silly.

That would be endless fun.

BTW, sorry about the buzz kill, but I just think people are being *******s here.

Wow, Blast from the Past!

robeddie, now I hope this hasn't been bothering you for a WHOLE YEAR! :D

Just kidding. I would have not seen this thread, and would have missed out on a good laugh about the monster cables.

robeddie
Apr 17, 2009, 02:30 AM
Wow, Blast from the Past!

robeddie, now I hope this hasn't been bothering you for a WHOLE YEAR! :D



Ok, that is funny. I hadn't even noticed till now that these were comments from way back in 2008. I was just thinking '2009'.

That said, I had just noticed this thread, and am in the thinking stage myself about getting an SSD for my '2009' mac mini.

I sleep now.

barkmonster
Jul 13, 2009, 12:20 PM
Ok, that is funny. I hadn't even noticed till now that these were comments from way back in 2008. I was just thinking '2009'.

That said, I had just noticed this thread, and am in the thinking stage myself about getting an SSD for my '2009' mac mini.

I sleep now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIiSaunTWWM&feature=related

how to upgrade a HD in a 2009 Mac Mini. It even comes complete with a cheesy, 1980s style rock soundtrack that's a cunning ad for the company who made the video