Charlton Heston 84 - dies

[hana]

http://sev.prnewswire.com/film-motion-picture/20080405/CLSA01305042008-1.html

[sushi]

Sad news.

Enjoyed many of his films. Truly a great actor.

RIP.

[mintlivedotcom]

I just saw Beneath the Planet of the Apes the other day and had a huge smile on my face when I saw him appear at the end of the movie. He will be missed, but I plan on watching many of his movies this summer.

[robanga]

He made a great Moses. He was also in a little known movie called "Omega Man" that is one of my favorites.

RIP

[freeny]

I presume one could finally pry loose that gun he has in his cold dead hands...

[Abstract]

^^Haha, I thought the same thing. ;)

[savanahrose]

I just read this. such a sad day. He always reminded me of my Dad. they look similar, except my dad is shorter. I will surly miss him. The Golden Era of movies is just about gone. How many are left from that time?

[obeygiant]

I presume one could finally pry loose that gun he has in his cold dead hands...
lol. you are so uncouth.


rest in peace mr heston.

[rdowns]

I presume one could finally pry loose that gun he has in his cold dead hands...

Now, now, let's not get this moved into the PRSI forum. (I LOL'd though) ;)

[Henri Gaudier]

I always liked him when I was a kid but all that guns 'n' ammo fanaticism put me off him in the end.

[jaw04005]

He was also a champion of civil rights, marching along side Martin Luther King.

[Hello.there]

I presume one could finally pry loose that gun he has in his cold dead hands...

:D

[Henri Gaudier]

He was also a champion of civil rights, marching along side Martin Luther King.

I didn't know that and it softened me a little but then I remembered that he campaigned for Ronald Reagan in 1984, George Bush in 1988 and George W. Bush in 2000. So ... he's a misguided right wing wanker is about as generous as I can be.

[mintlivedotcom]

I didn't know that and it softened me a little but then I remembered that he campaigned for Ronald Reagan in 1984, George Bush in 1988 and George W. Bush in 2000. So ... he's a misguided right wing wanker is about as generous as I can be.

I'm sorry you are so negative towards the man, although I appreciate your honesty. So, I will use this post as an other way to honor a person who helped make so many wonderful movies and fight for injustice in our American society.

[robanga]

"Soylent Green" is the other quirky apocalyptic movie that he was in that I really liked.

[mperkins37]

Omega Man was a great 70's movie.
Politics aside, he was a great man in many ways.
My grandad was a lifetime member of the NRA also.
That doesn't mean he was bad, it means that he believed in his rights as an American citizen to protect himself & his family.
No-one should talk ill of the dead unless they truly deserve it.
Charlton Heston surely didnt deserve to be slagged.

[PlaceofDis]

surely he will always be a movie legend.

RIP

[Hello.there]

he's a misguided right wing wanker is about as generous as I can be.

I really hate the way no one ever speaks their mind on this board.

[Alrescha]

Having watched Heston on the screen since I was a kid, I was sad to read of his passing.

Regarding his politics, I would gladly admit that he was not perfect. I found this link elsewhere and found it an interesting read:

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/charltonhestonculturalwar.htm

(speech given at Harvard Law School, 1999)

A.

[Henri Gaudier]

I'm sorry you are so negative towards the man, although I appreciate your honesty. So, I will use this post as an other way to honor a person who helped make so many wonderful movies and fight for injustice in our American society.

Hello - you clearly like the bloke and I don't want to upset you. As an actor, sure ... I liked him. Saturday afternoons watching a sand and sandals epic or getting permission to stay up late to watch The Omega Man - then yes it's the passing of a star. A type of star that I don't think exists anymore. But he ventured into politics and when you get to know someone's politics it can go either way ..

"There is no duty more noble than that which has called you across the world in defense of freedom. Yours is a mission of hope and humanity for the oppressed. Rest assured that while pretend-patriots talk of supporting you, even as they condemn your noble cause, an unwavering vast majority of Americans share and take pride in your mission. You represent all that is good and right about America and are the true face of American patriotism. You walk in those same righteous footsteps of all those patriots who, before you, fought to preserve liberty for all. Our prayers and our personal gratitude are with you and your families. May God Bless You, Charlton and Lydia Heston."

Now that kind of thing may play well with you but it's enough for me to forget the films and just think about the "gun toting, burger munching, invasion monkey"* aspect to his legacy.

*To adjust a familiar slur:D

[chaosbunny]

Omega Man was a great 70's movie.
Politics aside, he was a great man in many ways.
My grandad was a lifetime member of the NRA also.
That doesn't mean he was bad, it means that he believed in his rights as an American citizen to protect himself & his family.
No-one should talk ill of the dead unless they truly deserve it.
Charlton Heston surely didnt deserve to be slagged.

I'm sorry but I have to jump on that. Having a gun lying around has nothing to do with "rights as an American citizen to protect himself & his family". In fact many gun accidents happen because junior had to play with the gun while daddy was away, or stuff like that.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Ben Hur for example. But playing Bible heroes while being extremely obsessed with guns and firepower always seemed very ambivalent to me.

As an actor and a legend of cinema I'll miss him, the right wing NRA guy won't be missed at all.

[c-Row]

The Golden Era of movies is just about gone. How many are left from that time?

Kirk Douglas and Clint Eastwood, maybe?

[ziwi]

Wakes up in the morgue..."Get your hands off me, you damn dirty mortician!"

He played many great roles in larger than life movies...R.I.P Mr. Heston

[sushi]

I presume one could finally pry loose that gun he has in his cold dead hands...
Probably not! ;)

He was also a champion of civil rights, marching along side Martin Luther King.
:)

the right wing NRA guy won't be missed at all.
I image those who support the NRA will miss him.

Kirk Douglas and Clint Eastwood, maybe?
Also good.

Wakes up in the morgue..."Get your hands off me, you damn dirty mortician!"
:D :D :D

[QuantumLo0p]

I always liked him when I was a kid but all that guns 'n' ammo fanaticism put me off him in the end.

Yeah, all that fanatical constitutional crap really puts me off, too.

I can't stand all this freedom we have.

Especially all the privacy and speech crap.

I would feel much safer in an Orwellian state where we are forced to speak German or Japanese.

Rest in peace, Mr. Heston, because someone will pick up your torch and continue your cause to preserve liberty and freedom from oppression and fascism.

:D

[arkitect]

I would feel much safer in an Orwellian state where we are forced to speak German or Japanese.

You know, the world has moved on since the 1940s… at least for some of us it has.
:rolleyes:

[c-Row]

I would feel much safer in an Orwellian state where we are forced to speak German or Japanese.

Solange es Deutsch oder Japanisch ist, kann ich mich damit anfreunden. :p

[Henri Gaudier]

Yeah, all that fanatical constitutional crap really puts me off, too.

I can't stand all this freedom we have.

Especially all the privacy and speech crap.

I would feel much safer in an Orwellian state where we are forced to speak German or Japanese.

Rest in peace, Mr. Heston, because someone will pick up your torch and continue your cause to preserve liberty and freedom from oppression and fascism.

:D

The grin at the end makes me wonder if you're kidding me? Are you? Anyway, I should have made it clear that the quote was directed at US service men fighting in the original Gulf invasion in '91. An act which was indefensible and something Heston clearly supported. As for Orwellian - I'd say it's well on its way and it's the biggest phonies, the US and the UK, who ceaselessly bang on about democracy and freedom, who are the bastards rushing us towards a total surveillance society. Sly power crazed dwarves like Sarkozy see it in the big boys countries and introduces it here. Er ... where we we? Anyway to show you my attitude to gun carrying and warfare - I'm off to towel dry my cat who has just come in covered in snow.:)

[foneschlomo]

We did a little gathering of YouTube highlights on my site, is it considered spamming to include a link?

[ucfgrad93]

A shame. He was a great actor.

[Badandy]

I presume one could finally pry loose that gun he has in his cold dead hands...

^^Haha, I thought the same thing. ;)


Watching too much Michael Moore again? He said that quote over a year later in a completely different state and context than Colorado, despite what MM tried to get people to believe.

[takao]

I would feel much safer in an Orwellian state where we are forced to speak German or Japanese.


you can be thankful to the red army for that


not that a orwellian state where we are forced to speak english is any better



that say rest in peace charlton heston .. you were a great actor

[Lyle]

Watching too much Michael Moore again? He said that quote over a year later in a completely different state and context than Colorado, despite what MM tried to get people to believe.You're the first (and only?) person in this thread to bring up Michael Moore and the "creative" editing he did of Heston's speeches in "Bowling for Columbine". The joke is perhaps in poor taste, but he did say those words in one or more of his speeches---it's not like they're misquoting him.

[savanahrose]

Having watched Heston on the screen since I was a kid, I was sad to read of his passing.

Regarding his politics, I would gladly admit that he was not perfect. I found this link elsewhere and found it an interesting read:

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/charltonhestonculturalwar.htm

(speech given at Harvard Law School, 1999)

A.
I went to that link and read the speech. It was a great speech. Thank you for the link.

[SMM]

I always liked him when I was a kid but all that guns 'n' ammo fanaticism put me off him in the end.

Kind of the same thing for me. I guess I was really more disappointed than anything. It was not the specific issue with gun ownership that bothers me. It is more the entire extremist positions the NRA often promotes. It is similar to the opposite extreme, where some propose a total ban on all gun ownership. I have long felt that if the extremists on both sides were eliminated, there could be real progress made toward protecting society from idiots with guns, and gun owners Constitutional rights. But, that is getting off-subject. RIP Mr Heston. You have given a lifetime's worth of enjoyment to millions. That alone is a legacy to be proud of.

[Badandy]

You're the first (and only?) person in this thread to bring up Michael Moore and the "creative" editing he did of Heston's speeches in "Bowling for Columbine". The joke is perhaps in poor taste, but he did say those words in one or more of his speeches---it's not like they're misquoting him.

Yes, but the main reason that quotation is famous is because people like Michael Moore took it completely out of context and passed it off as being connected to the Columbine tragedy. Maybe I assumed wrongly, but it wasn't in poor taste like those posters.

[wonga1127]

... and George W. Bush in 2000...
George W. Bush ran on a non-interventionist foreign policy in 2000. Thats the idea where we don't go to nations like Somalia and Iraq and Sudan and try and get them to live like we do at the cost of the taxpayers and the economy. I would have supported him too, if I didn't have hindsight to know Bush turned out to be a complete corporate BJ monkey.

[stevegmu]

George W. Bush ran on a non-interventionist foreign policy in 2000.

Yes, but that was before 9/11.

[Lord Blackadder]

Some people have really big chips on their shoulder about his politics...I say let it go, he's dead now.

Let the news networks think they're clever by replaying that "cold dead hands" sound bite ad nauseum - but I think that's a bit crass.

[QuantumLo0p]

You know, the world has moved on since the 1940s… at least for some of us it has.
:rolleyes:

Having moved on but with some history education to temper my political opinion I am very sensitive to oppression and fascism.

Today many people are disturbed by the fascist fanatical left wing thought police of the United States.

There seems to be much bitter sweetness of the ultra left who have fondness for such a great person as Heston but who also have hatred for the one the World's greatest documents, the Constitution of the United States of America.
:D
Mr. Heston fought for what is right and deserves great respect. He has not only the respect of many but also their gratitude. Those who attempt to detract from a great life and worthy cause do not deserve respect nor gratitude.
:)

[Henri Gaudier]

A couple of questions: - is there really an ultra left in America and who is of it and what's a BJ monkey?

[skunk]

Today many people are disturbed by the fascist fanatical left wing thought police of the United States.When did you last visit this planet?

[Lyle]

Maybe I assumed wrongly, but it wasn't in poor taste like those posters.Just to be clear, I meant that the joke(s) made by some of the earlier posters (about now being able to pry the gun from Heston's cold, dead hands) were in poor taste.

Your bringing up Michael Moore was in poor taste only in the sense that anything that draws attention to Michael Moore shows poor taste. :D

[Lord Blackadder]

Mr. Heston fought for what is right and deserves great respect. He has not only the respect of many but also their gratitude. Those who attempt to detract from a great life and worthy cause do not deserve respect nor gratitude.

You're either with us or against us, eh? Not so much, I think. I thought he was in some great movies. His NRA stuff was over the top - I happen to be a gun owner who thinks the NRA, while a good concept, is out of touch with reality.

People who dismiss him completely out of hand are giving him short shrift though. I think a lot of liberals have developed a one-dimensional view of his life out of sheer laziness - they hear the soundbite, listen to Michael Moore and pass judgment. He was by no means a perfect man, but he was no Anne Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. He came from a much different America than we live in today, and never let go of part of that.

is there really an ultra left in America and who is of it

By French standards, I'd say no, unless you count tiny far-left entities like the remains of the Communist Party. "Socialism" is still a four-letter word in the US.

and what's a BJ monkey

It's somewhere between a gun toting, burger munching, invasion monkey and a cheese-eating surrender monkey*

*To quote a popular slur ;)

[freeny]

Watching too much Michael Moore again? He said that quote over a year later in a completely different state and context than Colorado, despite what MM tried to get people to believe.

You've completely lost me.... :confused:

[takao]

Today many people are disturbed by the fascist fanatical left wing thought police of the United States.

There seems to be much bitter sweetness of the ultra left who have fondness

ultra left ? fascist fanatical left wing thought police ?
you are still still talking about the USA ?

[solvs]

Yes, but that was before 9/11.
9/11 changed everything? :rolleyes: Even the plans that were made before 9/11 that were later excused by it? Funny, because even Cheney was saying going into Baghdad was a mistake, but that was before 9/11, and 9/11 9/11'ed the 9/11. Not that Iraq had anything to do with it, nor can any of the other myriad of screw ups be blamed on it, but even in a thread that's supposed to be a tribute to Heston, you just had to say it didn't you. Couldn't possibly be that maybe, just maybe, Bush's administration isn't really that great and that the war in Iraq is not only going badly, but is actually distracting us from the real war on terrorism in the 'stans.

Some people have really big chips on their shoulder about his politics...I say let it go, he's dead now.
To the dead we owe nothing but the truth, and he was politically involved with something some don't like, but I agree, he was a good actor and it's too bad we couldn't have focused more on that.

Today many people are disturbed by the fascist fanatical left wing thought police of the United States.
Really? I mean, come on, seriously? Please tell me you're kidding.

A couple of questions: - is there really an ultra left in America and who is of it and what's a BJ monkey?
Not really, especially compared to the far right that's seen as just as valid as the moderate left, but that's the perception. What other countries think of as moderate or even somewhat right, some here would call left. And therefor somehow far left. Even things the majority of the country are for (like the right to choose) or against (like the war). Liberal has become a dirty word, but thanks to Bush, so has conservative, even though he's actually a neocon, and a real Republican should be disgusted with him for the economic policies alone, let alone the rest of his administration's failures.


Sorry, had to get that off my chest. Sorry to see you go Mr. Heston. Sometimes I disagreed with you (not that that means I automatically agreed with the other side), sometimes I didn't, but you were definitely a talented actor. But as I said, you were politically involved, so this type of thing is of course going to come up to those who feel strongly either way, even if most of us actually don't.

[skunk]

To be fair, he did stand up for civil rights.

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[Peterkro]

Leaving his political views to one side, I must say he was one goddamn awful actor.

[skunk]

Leaving his political views to one side, I must say he was one goddamn awful actor.You can't talk about Moses like that! :eek:

[solvs]

To be fair, he did stand up for civil rights.
Mentioned above, but it bears repeating.

Leaving his political views to one side, I must say he was one goddamn awful actor.
You think so? He overacted in some things, but that was part of the time and the genres, and some of his lesser known work was pretty good actually. Well, some of it. Can't remember the movie, but it was later in his career, and he actually wasn't overacting. Take him away from apes, God, and futures gone mad, he could actually be subtle.

[skunk]

You think so? He overacted in some things, but that was part of the time and the genres, and some of his lesser known work was pretty good actually. Well, some of it. Can't remember the movie, but it was later in his career, and he actually wasn't overacting. Take him away from apes, God, and futures gone mad, he could actually be subtle.You must be referring to The Colbys.

[solvs]

You must be referring to The Colbys.

I haven't seen that one, but I will.