New Nokia Tube - iPhone Like Device [Archive]

PowerFullMac

Apr 10, 2008, 10:45 AM

I think this may be the iPhone killer, and I think this for the following reasons:
1) Apple have crippled the iPhone's hardware and software, for example no MMS, video capture, useless Bluetooth etc.
2) Nokia is a very popular phone manufacturer, and this phone, like many Nokia smartphones, uses the Symbian OS which has many apps, is very supported and is very popular
3) They are more open, you can just get apps off the net and send them to your phone and thats it! No App Store (in which the apps are VERY limited) or hacking crap, pkus all your media dosent have to come form iTunes
4) Most of their phones are not exclusive to a single network/carrier, you can just get them on whatever network you want, or even get them SIM free
5) Nokia uses new technology when it comes out, tke the N95 for example, it has a 5 megapixel camera, video capture, GPS, Bluetooth that acctually does something, MMS, 3.5G etc. where as the iPhone uses very little very modern technology

Now, dont get me wrong, I think the iPhone is great, and we will have to see what they put in their new one thats coming soon, but there are good reasons why I have heald on to my Nokia 6230 instead of buying a iPhone, and will probably be getting a Android phone or one of these, which are listed above.

theBB

Apr 10, 2008, 11:49 AM

5) Nokia uses new technology when it comes out, tke the N95 for example, it has a 5 megapixel camera,
5 megapixel camera on a phone is a fool's gold. With a tiny sensor and tiny lens, it only makes the pictures take up more disk space without improving the quality of the image. Actually it might even make it worse due to more noise. This is for people who buy things based on numbers that go with some buzzword. What do they call it, oh yeah, "feature matrix marketing"...

garybUK

Apr 11, 2008, 09:01 AM

5 megapixel camera on a phone is a fool's gold. With a tiny sensor and tiny lens, it only makes the pictures take up more disk space without improving the quality of the image. Actually it might even make it worse due to more noise. This is for people who buy things based on numbers that go with some buzzword. What do they call it, oh yeah, "feature matrix marketing"...

Well being a owner of a N95 8GB with 5mp phone and a iphone i can honestly say the N95 takes a LOT better pics.

PowerFullMac

Apr 11, 2008, 09:32 AM

Well being a owner of a N95 8GB with 5mp phone and a iphone i can honestly say the N95 takes a LOT better pics.

Point proved.

redAPPLE

Apr 11, 2008, 09:36 AM

i thought the thread is about a phone case, like the iPod socks. honestly.

Eraserhead

Apr 11, 2008, 09:40 AM

1) Apple have crippled the iPhone's hardware and software, for example no MMS, video capture, useless Bluetooth etc.

They haven't crippled the web browser though.

2) Nokia is a very popular phone manufacturer,

True. I use a Nokia.

and this phone, like many Nokia smartphones, uses the Symbian OS which has many apps, is very supported and is very popular
3) They are more open, you can just get apps off the net and send them to your phone and thats it! No App Store (in which the apps are VERY limited) or hacking crap

The iPhone looks like its going to have a hell of a lot of applications come June. Also it looks like it has a lot of very cool applications already.

, pkus all your media dosent have to come form iTunes

iTunes can rip CD's too, and you can use Amazon and eMusic two of the biggest online stores

5) Nokia uses new technology when it comes out, tke the N95 for example, it has a 5 megapixel camera, video capture, GPS, Bluetooth that acctually does something, MMS, 3.5G etc. where as the iPhone uses very little very modern technology

Apple didn't add 3G at the beginning as the US hasn't got a 3G network, though it looks like that is coming very soon, definitely before the end of the year. I will grant you that the N95 has 3G already. Most of the other features, although nice, are relatively minor.

Now, dont get me wrong, I think the iPhone is great, and we will have to see what they put in their new one thats coming soon, but there are good reasons why I have heald on to my Nokia 6230 instead of buying a iPhone, and will probably be getting a Android phone or one of these, which are listed above.

I have a 6230 as well, the iPhone is better.

mkrishnan

Apr 11, 2008, 09:56 AM

Oh my word. It's not even trying to look different.

The iPhone is basically a screen with a chrome ring around it. Aside from color, how much different is any all-touchscreen phone going to look? At least on that side of the phone, they're all going to look fairly similar. The other side might look more differentiated.

It all depends on features and interface. But Apple has the great iTunes integration, and I don't see Nokia competing with that aspect, even though I generally like their phones. It'll probably have more features than the iPhone in most every other respect, and still lose out because of that.

PowerFullMac

Apr 11, 2008, 09:58 AM

The US dosent have a 3G network yet?!?! :eek:

Here in the UK we have had a 3G network since 2003!

The 6230 is not the best phone ever, and its not as good as the iPhone, but the iPhone is not a huge breakthrough, and I havent brought one because I am waiting for something I think is decent, which, especially for the price, the iPhone is not.

And, oh yeah, at least my 6230 does MMS, Bluetooth file transfers and video capture... 3 things the iPhone wont do.

Dagless

Apr 11, 2008, 10:20 AM

My V3 RAZR does all that too, somehow I doubt I'll be touching it ever again once I get an iPhone.

MacRumorUser

Apr 11, 2008, 10:53 AM

If the symbian operating system crashes as often as it does on my N96 & E61 then god help this new device.

iPhone has yet to reduce itself to a sluggish, crash happy turd like both my nokias.

GFLPraxis

Apr 11, 2008, 11:13 AM

The US dosent have a 3G network yet?!?! :eek:

Here in the UK we have had a 3G network since 2003!

Yup. It's supposed to be rolling out sometime soon.

Abstract

Apr 11, 2008, 12:04 PM

What makes the iPhone different is the WAY you use it, not the actual functions of the phone. My phone has lots and lots of features, none of which I use. The OS is what makes an iPhone an "iPhone". Make a touchscreen device if you want. They've been around for decades. It's not an original idea. However, the iPhone has quite a novel implementation of it that makes it a useful tool rather than a showy "feature".

I don't care if a feature is offered or not. Usability of the feature is everything. EVERYTHING.

This is just a Symbian OS with a touchscreen. Sorry, but how is this better? Once the novelty of touching your screen wears off, you're still left with a regular Symbian OS, which isn't better or worse than it was yesterday.

mkrishnan

Apr 11, 2008, 12:37 PM

The US dosent have a 3G network yet?!?! :eek:

Erm, no, we have at least three deployed 3G networks. AT&T has HSPA, which is deployed but does not cover all of rural America (we have rather a lot of landmass... there isn't exactly a single network that covers the entire European continent either). Sprint and Verizon both have nationwide EV-DO networks.

The only major (national) US carrier that hasn't rolled out 3G is T-Mobile.

joeshell383

Apr 11, 2008, 10:09 PM

Apple didn't add 3G at the beginning as the US hasn't got a 3G network, though it looks like that is coming very soon, definitely before the end of the year.

That is flat out wrong. 3 of the 4 major U.S. mobile providers offer 3G. Verizon Wireless and Sprint have had their networks for several years, and cover most of the population. AT&T has been lagging, but currently offers 3G in major cities and will offer 3G to most of the U.S. in calendar Q3.

The US dosent have a 3G network yet?!?! :eek:

Here in the UK we have had a 3G network since 2003!

AT&T Wireless (not AT&T Mobility) was one of the first providers to launch 3G in the U.S. That was in 2004.

Yup. It's supposed to be rolling out sometime soon.

It's already rolled out in most major markets on the 3 major carriers that offer it. AT&T, one of the three, will cover most of the population later this year.

Erm, no, we have at least three deployed 3G networks. AT&T has HSPA, which is deployed but does not cover all of rural America (we have rather a lot of landmass... there isn't exactly a single network that covers the entire European continent either). Sprint and Verizon Wireless both have nationwide EV-DO networks.

The only major (national) US carrier that hasn't rolled out 3G is T-Mobile.

Exactly, and T-Mobile is the only one of the Big 4 that is a European firm*!

* Verizon Wireless is partially owned by Vodafone.

g00k

Apr 12, 2008, 06:11 AM

there is no the best phone...
some might like the touchpad some might not.
advantage for iphone: huge capacity and touchpad but lacking features 3g and many more. so its all a question of taste. if i may say it bluntly 2years old phones had already better functions except touchpad and capacity than the iphone.
btw who said that nokia cant compete with apples itunes?
didnt u know that nokia is preparing the big bang?
they are willing to give 80 dollars per phone to the music industry for an unlimited music flatrate.
as i have heard it might be wrong of not up to date anymore but which each purchased nokia phone u get a music flatrate for free (actually u paid it already with buying the phone).
if thats coming true... bye bye itunes. itunes sucks anyway... btw i have an iphone before all the apple fanboys are going to kill me.

Eraserhead

Apr 12, 2008, 06:21 AM

Erm, no, we have at least three deployed 3G networks. AT&T has HSPA, which is deployed but does not cover all of rural America (we have rather a lot of landmass... there isn't exactly a single network that covers the entire European continent either). Sprint and Verizon both have nationwide EV-DO networks.

The only major (national) US carrier that hasn't rolled out 3G is T-Mobile.

That is flat out wrong. 3 of the 4 major U.S. mobile providers offer 3G. Verizon and Sprint have had their networks for several years, and cover most of the population. AT&T has been lagging, but currently offers 3G in major cities and will offer 3G to most of the U.S. in calendar Q3.

OK sorry, I thought there were big holes in the 3G coverage though, whereas in Europe 3G coverage is very widespread.

nick9191

Apr 12, 2008, 06:21 AM

Apple seriously need to pull their finger out their arse.

OllyW

Apr 12, 2008, 07:02 AM

If the symbian operating system crashes as often as it does on my N96 & E61 then god help this new device.
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I'm not surprised your N96 keeps crashing, it is obviously a pre-production model because they are not going on sale until August (http://blog.phoneslimited.co.uk/2008/03/28/nokia-n96-release-date-confirmed-n96-nokia-release-uk/) :p

mojohanna

Apr 13, 2008, 08:23 PM

zap2

Apr 13, 2008, 08:27 PM

I'd assume Nokia can do a decent iPhone knock off with extra features. Hell if they just made the N800 into a phone I'd be pretty tempted.

Yea, the N810 is a great gizmo...not sure why the added WiMax over HSPA

mkrishnan

Apr 13, 2008, 08:28 PM

And Alltel as well, I believe.

I don't think Alltel is generally considered to be a national carrier. As I understand it, they're a regional with cross-coverage contracts that allow them nationwide functionality. But true.

OK sorry, I thought there were big holes in the 3G coverage though, whereas in Europe 3G coverage is very widespread.

I'm not actually familiar enough with Europe to address this. First, you need to appreciate that much of the US is very low population density. The equivalent of most of the US is not being in the middle of London. If you go to Norway or Poland or Hungary and travel say 150km from a major city in the direction of the countryside, is there generally good 3G reception in a place like that? (Serious question) In the equivalent locals in the US, there is not always. But there is in pretty much all the cities and even most midsize towns.

PMB

Apr 13, 2008, 09:18 PM

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A93 Safari/419.3)

if it can be ported to verizon, and run the iPhone os, I'm all over that like a fat kid on a cupcake

garybUK

Apr 14, 2008, 06:25 AM

I don't think Alltel is generally considered to be a national carrier. As I understand it, they're a regional with cross-coverage contracts that allow them nationwide functionality. But true.

I'm not actually familiar enough with Europe to address this. First, you need to appreciate that much of the US is very low population density. The equivalent of most of the US is not being in the middle of London. If you go to Norway or Poland or Hungary and travel say 150km from a major city in the direction of the countryside, is there generally good 3G reception in a place like that? (Serious question) In the equivalent locals in the US, there is not always. But there is in pretty much all the cities and even most midsize towns.

This is very true, you get blackspots with no 3G especially where there is no demand, though now especially in the UK, some of the carriers are merging their cell masts so they can increase each other's coverage and share maintenance.

I'd only expect to see this on GSM type carriers in the US as Nokia typically only makes limited CDMA handsets seeing as the only counties mainly using it are the US and Korea.. (hence the proliferation of LG + Samsung handsets)

I'm seriously looking at the N96 now to replace my iPhone but will make a balanced decision, there's nothing like just plugging your phone into your macbook pro and it syncing everything up perfectly.

Dagless

Apr 14, 2008, 08:12 AM

PowerFullMac

Sep 27, 2008, 05:01 AM

Check it out! (http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE48P2JR20080926)

:)

karlsilla

Sep 30, 2008, 05:25 AM

Check it out! (http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE48P2JR20080926)

:)

Wasn't it used as a prop in The Dark Knight? Interesting to see to pricing of this one when it comes out.

garybUK

Sep 30, 2008, 06:45 AM

PowerFullMac

Sep 30, 2008, 07:04 AM

Wasn't it used as a prop in The Dark Knight? Interesting to see to pricing of this one when it comes out.

Yep! :)

I really hope its being sold at a decent price around Christmas on Pay As You Go, that makes or breaks to deal for me, really (except the Christmas part).

t0mat0

Sep 30, 2008, 07:51 AM

The N96 is tempting me too, I just doubt the web experience and the MP3 player is anywhere near as good as the iPhone.
It's the TV part of the N96 that interests me. But with 3G and the iPlayer I wouldn't have much use for live TV.

Mega late edit: So mobile TV only exists in Oxford and Cambridge. Back to iPhone...

Mobile TV for iPhone, either v3 or v4...perhaps - AT&T and O2 have both talked to a certain mobile tv company, that basically uses a broadcast system, which means there aren't so many bandwidth issues, just reception ones. If they can crank out a signal of a decent enough size, it could come to the iPhone. (I forget the name of the company right now, but I got a friendly smile from an engineer working on the technology when I asked if they were working on an iPhone version).

If you're in the UK, you've got iPlayer on wifi already, and potentially ITV and C4 might get their act together (it took BBC long enough) and make something compatible. Heck, they're allowed to have adverts...

nplima

Sep 30, 2008, 08:44 AM

I think this may be the iPhone killer, and I think this for the following reasons:[...]
4) Most of their phones are not exclusive to a single network/carrier, you can just get them on whatever network you want, or even get them SIM free

The first thing that happened after Apple and ATT closed that exclusivity vs. kick-back deal was that Nokia and all other relevant manufacturers wanted the same. Let's not think that Nokia is by definition a better deal than any other manufacturer, because if they could they would gladly sell their products the same way Apple did for the iPhone.

So, don't be surprised if Nokia/Motorola/SonyEricsson/Samsung/LG/... keep selling some handsets in all types of distributors and leave some high end products for some exclusive channels - they already do!

PowerFullMac

Sep 30, 2008, 10:34 AM

The first thing that happened after Apple and ATT closed that exclusivity vs. kick-back deal was that Nokia and all other relevant manufacturers wanted the same. Let's not think that Nokia is by definition a better deal than any other manufacturer, because if they could they would gladly sell their products the same way Apple did for the iPhone.

So, don't be surprised if Nokia/Motorola/SonyEricsson/Samsung/LG/... keep selling some handsets in all types of distributors and leave some high end products for some exclusive channels - they already do!

As long as I can get software to unlock them (and I can get them on Pay As You Go) I dont really care :p

PowerFullMac

Oct 2, 2008, 12:56 PM

Its out!!!!

Take a look! (http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-5800-xpressmusic-hands-on/)

elppa

Oct 2, 2008, 05:23 PM

Well it's out and it turns out cloning the iPhone's slick UI isn't easy, even if it is 18 months after you first saw it.

Lowlights from the Engadget Preview (http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/02/nokia-5800-xpressmusic-hands-on/):
Nokia's done "just enough" to turn the traditional interface into a touchable one with version 5.0, sizing up icons, adding finger-friendly buttons in lieu of traditional menu items and so forth. What Nokia hasn't quite figured out is consistency, requiring double taps in some places, single taps in others. Scrolling through most lists requires dragging a scroll bar, pulling down as the list flies up, but the browser has touch and drag scrolling. Nothing's too frustrating or unreasonable, but this is no seamless experience.

We're not convinced the touchable browser is a step up over existing WebKit implementations on Nokia's other handsets, since the tap to zoom function is slow and unreliable. Panning around the page is also jittery, perhaps a tad worse than the G1 -- nobody has managed to pull off iPhone smooth yet in this department.

this is no iPhone when it comes to to solid media integration or full-featured media player apps. On the communication side, we're sad to see Nokia almost burying some of its S60 advantages. Everything's still there, but Nokia didn't put the gruntwork in necessary to really take advantage a next-gen interface

Obviously there are highlights, but as some people are so keen to pick apart the flaws of the iPhone in the most minute of detail in the interests of balance I thought it was only fair to highlight some flaws in other phones for a change.

PowerFullMac

Oct 2, 2008, 05:55 PM

Well it's out and it turns out cloning the iPhone's slick UI isn't easy, even if it is 18 months after you first saw it.

Lowlights from the Engadget Preview (http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/02/nokia-5800-xpressmusic-hands-on/):

Obviously there are highlights, but as some people are so keen to pick apart the flaws of the iPhone in the most minute of detail in the interests of balance I thought it was only fair to highlight some flaws in other phones for a change.

Dont forget, though, Engadget played with a pre-release model, and all the problems are small software bugs, also as this is a smartphone, Nokia can do extra patches through a app if they miss something out.

I cant wait to get this! :)

lugesm

Oct 2, 2008, 09:16 PM

Nokia might or might-not have gotten it right. It's too early to tell, but it would be dangerous for Apple to underestimate Nokia.

elppa

Oct 3, 2008, 03:37 AM

Dont forget, though, Engadget played with a pre-release model, and all the problems are small software bugs

No, they are not. It sounds like this is a first effort, falls a long way short of the iPhone and is therefore priced accordingly.

As far as I know you can't turn a resistive single touch phone into a capacitive multi touch phone with a small software update.

And if it was so easy to replicate the smooth as butter feel of mobile Safari with a small software fix, then maybe after two years someone would have done it.

wako

Oct 3, 2008, 09:36 AM

Well it's out and it turns out cloning the iPhone's slick UI isn't easy, even if it is 18 months after you first saw it.

lol what?

Nokia didnt clone the iPhone... they simply made the S60 UI into a touch interface... they kept their same exact UI from their other phones pretty much

elppa

Oct 3, 2008, 09:58 AM

lol what?

Nokia didnt clone the iPhone... they simply made the S60 UI into a touch interface... they kept their same exact UI from their other phones pretty much

Anyone who viewed their preview video nearly a year 6 months ago now saw what their intentions were. They just couldn't get it done in the time. I am sure more is coming though.

PowerFullMac

Oct 3, 2008, 11:12 AM

What is it with Apple fanboys thinking Apple is so all-mighty and amazing that every touch-screen phone except the iPhone has to be a clone of the iPhone, because Apple invented the touch-screen, didnt they? :rolleyes:

I mean, seriously, I like the iPhone and Apple and all (which is why I am on here) but I dont think all phones are iPhone clones... Thats just wayyyy over the top.

Why is the 5800 a iPhone clone? Because its black? Because it has a touch-screen?

Seriously, explain.

Also, the UI looks NOTHING like the iPhone UI, anyone who has used a Symbian S60 phone before will see the resemblance.

Tom B.

Oct 3, 2008, 12:16 PM

One big problem: It only has a resistive touch screen.

What is it with Apple fanboys thinking Apple is so all-mighty and amazing that every touch-screen phone except the iPhone has to be a clone of the iPhone, because Apple invented the touch-screen, didnt they? :rolleyes:

I mean, seriously, I like the iPhone and Apple and all (which is why I am on here) but I dont think all phones are iPhone clones... Thats just wayyyy over the top.

Why is the 5800 a iPhone clone? Because its black? Because it has a touch-screen?

Seriously, explain.
The iPhone was the first phone to make good use of a touch screen, and I'm fairly sure Nokia wouldn't have released the 5800 if it wasn't for the iPhone. Nokia just want to emulate the iPhone and stop their existing customers from moving to the iPhone.

PowerFullMac

Oct 3, 2008, 12:18 PM

One big problem: It only has a resistive touch screen.

So what? I cant do flashy finger tricks on the screen? I can still zoom by tapping the thing, I can even use my finger.

elppa

Oct 3, 2008, 01:13 PM

Seriously, explain.

This is the culmination of the Tube project. The initial scope of the project looked much more ambitious and at the time it was widely compared to the iPhone with good reason.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/08/nokia-readies-iphone-ish-tube-disses-apples-sales/
http://gizmodo.com/377171/nokia-to-apple-blah-blah-iphone-killer-blah-blah-you-suck
http://www.gadgettastic.com/2007/08/30/nokias-iphone-clone/

It looks like the scope got scaled back a fair bit since then.

A NOKIA VP, when asked about the similarities stated:

“If there is something good in the world then we copy with pride.”

See the relevant press conference here (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=X7swGAs6Ad8) Around 2:50 minutes in to the end.

NOKIA said they were copying the iPhone, not “Apple Fanboys” as you so kindly branded some of the respondents to this thread.

I was just drawing attention to initial reviews of NOKIA's self proclaimed copy.

As a small suggestion, maybe turn down the rhetoric about Apple fanboys. Name calling is immature and does very little to add to the debate.

PowerFullMac

Oct 3, 2008, 01:19 PM

MacTraveller

Oct 3, 2008, 01:24 PM

Every 2 days, someone introduces another iPhone wanna-be. This shiite is getting really old.

Dagless

Oct 3, 2008, 01:29 PM

Meh, I take it back for this incident, but I still hold my point.

I actually think the 5800 is better than the iPhone, its cheaper, more open, does video, has 3.2 megapixel camera, flash, video recording, video calling... Much better!

It could have all the features in the world - it just hasn't got the interface that won me over to the iPhone. Or mobile me compatibility, or as well synced to my iMac...

PowerFullMac

Oct 3, 2008, 02:39 PM

It could have all the features in the world - it just hasn't got the interface that won me over to the iPhone. Or mobile me compatibility, or as well synced to my iMac...

It has a free (probably more reliable :p) MobileMe alternative, its quite cool.

MacTraveller

Oct 4, 2008, 10:04 AM

It has a free (probably more reliable :p) MobileMe alternative, its quite cool.

It's Nokia. It's last decade's garbage. That company is following Motorola to the garbage bin of irrelevancy. Late to the smart-phone party.

PowerFullMac

Oct 4, 2008, 10:19 AM

It's Nokia. It's last decade's garbage. That company is following Motorola to the garbage bin of irrelevancy. Late to the smart-phone party.

Not true at all, Nokia is the worlds largest mobile phone company! They are nothing like Motorola, and they are known for good software and fantastic build quality. I dont work for them, I am just talking from experience. I have many old Nokias and they all still work just fine, I actually am using a Nokia N-Gage as my main phone at the moment because my Sony Ericsson stopped getting signal (dont even get me started on Sony Ericsson... If you think they make good phones because they are owned by Sony, think again!).

gkarris

Oct 4, 2008, 11:43 AM

What is it with Apple fanboys thinking Apple is so all-mighty and amazing that every touch-screen phone except the iPhone has to be a clone of the iPhone, because Apple invented the touch-screen, didnt they? :rolleyes:

I mean, seriously, I like the iPhone and Apple and all (which is why I am on here) but I dont think all phones are iPhone clones... Thats just wayyyy over the top.

Why is the 5800 a iPhone clone? Because its black? Because it has a touch-screen?
Seriously, explain.

Also, the UI looks NOTHING like the iPhone UI, anyone who has used a Symbian S60 phone before will see the resemblance.

(answers own question...)

It's Nokia. It's last decade's garbage. That company is following Motorola to the garbage bin of irrelevancy. Late to the smart-phone party.

(starts beating you over the head with a basic Nokia phone...) :eek:

:D

Stella

Oct 4, 2008, 12:09 PM

It's Nokia. It's last decade's garbage. That company is following Motorola to the garbage bin of irrelevancy. Late to the smart-phone party.

ROTFL

Your joking right?
* The largest market share of both regular and smartphones
* Nokia have been making smart phones since the early 2000 ( or thereabouts).

PowerFullMac

Oct 4, 2008, 12:25 PM

(answers own question...)

I was being sarcastic... Are you seriously trying to say every black phone with a touch-screen is a iPhone clone?

gkarris

Oct 4, 2008, 07:56 PM

I was being sarcastic... Are you seriously trying to say every black phone with a touch-screen is a iPhone clone?

"
:p

GradientMac

Oct 7, 2008, 08:41 PM

So what? I cant do flashy finger tricks on the screen? I can still zoom by tapping the thing, I can even use my finger.

Way to not know what that means. It means you have to push the screen rather than tap it because it's not heat capacitive.

garybUK

Oct 8, 2008, 04:29 AM

It could have all the features in the world - it just hasn't got the interface that won me over to the iPhone. Or mobile me compatibility, or as well synced to my iMac...

iSync my N95 just fine, it puts all my photo's in iPhoto, my music from iTunes, my Address Book, Bookmarks and Calendars, all automatically and all over USB OR Bluetooth :D

PowerFullMac

Oct 8, 2008, 11:00 AM

Way to not know what that means. It means you have to push the screen rather than tap it because it's not heat capacitive.

Meh you can get used that very quickly and have no trouble, Engadget said that in their review and they have actually used one.

PowerFullMac

Oct 9, 2008, 12:08 PM

Sorry to double post, but I wanna draw attention to it so people read the review I link to.

New review, better than the Engadget one, full detail on the phone, BETTER THAN THE IPHONE!

Clicky (http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-5800-2-en.shtml)

Tom B.

Oct 9, 2008, 12:17 PM

Sorry to double post, but I wanna draw attention to it so people read the view I link to.

New review, better than the Engadget one, full detail on the phone, BETTER THAN THE IPHONE!

The guy that does all of the reviews for 'Mobile-Review' has been extremely biased against the iPhone and all things Apple since birth as far as I can tell.

PowerFullMac

Oct 9, 2008, 12:51 PM

The guy that does all of the reviews for 'Mobile-Review' has been extremely biased against the iPhone and all things Apple since birth as far as I can tell.

Mobile-Review is a very famous and respected site.

He wasent being biased, he was getting the point across that this phone is not crap because it has no :apple: on the back.

Tom B.

Oct 9, 2008, 12:56 PM

He wasent being biased, he was getting the point across that this phone is not crap because it has no :apple: on the back.

But generally, his point is that the iPhone is crap, just because it has an :apple: on the back.

PowerFullMac

Oct 9, 2008, 01:00 PM

But generally, his point is that the iPhone is crap, just because it has an :apple: on the back.

It never said the iPhone is crap, it just said the Nokia 5800 is a worthy competitor.

Tom B.

Oct 9, 2008, 01:03 PM

It never said the iPhone is crap, it just said the Nokia 5800 is a worthy competitor.

Oh really?

...in fact the iPhone packs in around a tenth of what the Nokia 5800 has to offer in terms of functionality. It wouldn't be right to put them in one league and then berate the iPhone for lacking so many useful feats. So let the iPhone remain the ultimate choice for all fashion-conscious users, while the Nokia 5800 will be the way to go for everyone who is after a well-rounded do-it-all solution.

He also claims that there will no longer be a market for the iPhone in Europe in a year or two without drastic price cuts.

PowerFullMac

Oct 9, 2008, 01:23 PM

Oh really?

He also claims that there will no longer be a market for the iPhone in Europe in a year or two without drastic price cuts.

Technically, thats true.

The iPhone has no MMS, video recording, open way to get third party apps (without hacking), no memory card slot, no way to transfer files via Bluetooth, no multiple keyboard layouts etc.

Also, if the low price of the 5800 drives the rest of the market down, the iPhone will need a price cut.

elppa

Oct 9, 2008, 01:41 PM

Technically, thats true.

The iPhone has no MMS, video recording, open way to get third party apps (without hacking), no memory card slot, no way to transfer files via Bluetooth, no multiple keyboard layouts etc.

These are show stoppers the very technically minded who value feature lists and specs. In reality very few consumer purchases are cold, calculated decisions. Almost all of those features aren't show stoppers for most people (with the exception of MMS).

Another thing of note about the 5800 Tube is that it simply won't face any challenges on the market - the Apple iPhone is a steep, fashion-savvy offering that has been deprived of many standard features, so a comparison between these two phones would seem a little too far-fetched. It does have smoother and more eye-candy menus, similar video capabilities, but that's about it.

App Store? Guaranteed revenue for developers creating a compelling reason to develop for iPhone platform. Guaranteed minimum set of hardware features to write applications for. Apple iPhone is a platform, Nokia has another phone.

Nokia already has a platform, called S60. This phone does very little to enhance what they already had, aside from adding basic, rudimentary touch screen support.

Building great user experience and building a strong platform are far more difficult, taxing, non complete problems to solve than how many mega pixels the bundled camera should use.

The bias is unbelievable. Dismissing the interaction paradigm of multi-touch as “a bit of eye-candy” is hilarious.

Or maybe because Eldar Murtazin makes a living finding his way around clunky interfaces he thinks the rest of the world wants to as well.

After all, if 10 million people choose iPhone this year, they must all be fools and bow down to the superior knowledge and intellect of the great Eldar Murtazin of Mobile-Review.

Or maybe he alone is being “clever” and “getting a good deal” ahead of others who are foolishly lusting after iPhone 3G.

If that makes him happy then I am pleased for him. Really I am.

Personally I think he has a huge chip of his shoulder that Apple have come in and shaken up the cell phone industry that he used to understand so well cheer-lead for.

Now the focus has changed from features to usability and experience. Which is why he had two possible choices:
[1] Understand how and why the rules of the game have changed.
[2] Blindly pour vitriol on Apple.

Guess he picked number two. The fact he had to mention the iPhone so many times when not comparing it with a phone concerns about how how cut up he is about it.

PowerFullMac

Oct 9, 2008, 04:55 PM

App Store? Guaranteed revenue for developers creating a compelling reason to develop for iPhone platform. Guaranteed minimum set of hardware features to write applications for. Apple iPhone is a platform, Nokia has another phone.

Nokia already has a platform, called S60. This phone does very little to enhance what they already had, aside from adding basic, rudimentary touch screen support.

You can only find out if there was any point spending months on your app until Apple checks it, and they will probably reject it because it duplicates non-existent functionality or dosent claim to be a flashlight :rolleyes:

Apple has one phone and one OS, Nokia has a built-up strong platform and much experience with many phones.

Building great user experience and building a strong platform are far more difficult, taxing, non complete problems to solve than how many mega pixels the bundled camera should use.

The bias is unbelievable. Dismissing the interaction paradigm of multi-touch as “a bit of eye-candy” is hilarious.

I never said it was eye-candy, I said its something thats cool for a month or so, and makes you think its worth the money coz you can move your fingers around the screen instead of just tapping a icon. You have been sucked in my SJ's RDF.

I dont really care about the guy who wrote the review, those are the facts I posted. Simple.

Adjei

Oct 13, 2008, 11:04 AM

You can only find out if there was any point spending months on your app until Apple checks it, and they will probably reject it because it duplicates non-existent functionality or dosent claim to be a flashlight :rolleyes:

Apple has one phone and one OS, Nokia has a built-up strong platform and much experience with many phones.

Building great user experience and building a strong platform are far more difficult, taxing, non complete problems to solve than how many mega pixels the bundled camera should use.

I never said it was eye-candy, I said its something thats cool for a month or so, and makes you think its worth the money coz you can move your fingers around the screen instead of just tapping a icon. You have been sucked in my SJ's RDF.

I dont really care about the guy who wrote the review, those are the facts I posted. Simple.Dude go and by this phone if you think it's better than the iphone, no one gives a bloody damn, who are you or the writer of that site to tell anybody which phone is better or I guess your needs should be the same as mine or anybody who prefers the iphone, go and buy your bloody phone if you think it's better than the iphone. :rolleyes:

PowerFullMac

Oct 13, 2008, 11:27 AM

Dude go and by this phone if you think it's better than the iphone, no one gives a bloody damn, who are you or the writer of that site to tell anybody which phone is better or I guess your needs should be the same as mine or anybody who prefers the iphone, go and buy your bloody phone if you think it's better than the iphone. :rolleyes:

I damn will.

The iPhone is a rip-off and, like I said, the only reason people are buying the over-hyped over-priced POS is because of the logo on the back.

7on

Oct 13, 2008, 04:53 PM

I damn will.

The iPhone is a rip-off and, like I said, the only reason people are buying the over-hyped over-priced POS is because of the logo on the back.

I couldn't care if the iPhone had a picture of ****** on the back (well, I suppose then I'd care...) The point of the matter is that Apple has made a sleek interface. And it interfaces well with my Music. If Palm actually stepped up, we might have had something like the iPhone from them in 05 or 06. I was a huge fan of the m515. Used to write 5 page papers for High school while I was in transit to different places. Loved the little thing. Unfortunately time progresses and I was wanting Bluetooth instead of Ir and for it to replace my iPod. I tried a Zire72, but it was the same thing in a new box. I think it even used RealPlayer for its music playback. yuk.

All I see it is an extension of Apple's iPod line. In 10 years people generally won't have separate devices (I know, people's been predicting the all-in-one ultimate device for years) and Apple is just beating their own demise to the punch. In fact, they'd have that with the iPhone if it weren't for the AT&T lockin. If the iPhone was CDMA and GSM and worked on the big 4 in the USA, I would have to say that Apple would be ushering in this transition even faster.

Even though this seems overly Pro-Apple, let me repeat that I couldn't care less who made the iPhone. And if the iPhone remains locked to AT&T by the time I need to replace my unlocked iPhone on T-Mobile, then I'll probably be jumping ship to a Nokia or BB. If I had to jump ship today I'd most certainly get an E71 (capacitive touchscreens are better than resistive, mainly because you can have glass instead of plastic. No need for protectors).

Adjei

Oct 13, 2008, 06:24 PM

I damn will.

The iPhone is a rip-off and, like I said, the only reason people are buying the over-hyped over-priced POS is because of the logo on the back.So go and buy your bloody phone and shut up, I'm sick and tired of people like you thinking you know what's best for people, it's a free world, we should be allowed to buy what we like without idiots coming and telling us nonsense. Who are you to judge what is a rip-off for someone? Who gave you any authority on this? Complete and utter nonsense. :rolleyes: