Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.3 (9d19) to Developers

[MacRumors]

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Apple waited a full week before seeding the latest version of Mac OS X 10.5.3 (9d19) to developers on Friday. The latest version of Mac OS X Leopard adds 31 bug fixes to the growing list of issues addressed in the upcoming release. Features that are specifically targeted for focused testing include AirPort, Back To My Mac, Spaces, Time Machine and many others.

Apple first seeded (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/03/28/apple-seeds-first-mac-os-x-10-5-3-9d10-version/) Mac OS 10.5.3 9d10 in late-March and has been issuing regular releases to developers.

Once complete, the final Mac OS X 10.5.3 update will become available as a free update to existing Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) users via Software Update. No target date is set, but testing for a new version can extend over several months.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/04/11/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-10-5-3-9d19-to-developers/)

[lozanoj83]

lets hope they dont break the airport extreme time machine backups..
please apple.. dont!:o

[aLoC]

Is it just bug fixes or are there performance improvements too? It would be nice if each point release improved performance in some small way. By the time you got to .9 or .10 it would all add up.

[HelixEdge64]

SO when does this come out?

[k2spitfire88]

Anyone have a clue on what issues it will fix? Or what it may cause?

[MacFly123]

Honestly the only thing I want is for Leopard to start up and shut down as fast as Tiger did. It is still much faster than Windows but not near where Tiger was. And what's with 3 different shades of the blue screens at start up???

Other than that honestly the only bugs I ever notice are the printer icons stay in the dock after you print, spaces kind of makes windows go a little funky some times like in Final Cut Pro, and Front Row has a graphical glitch with the bottom fade out gradient on the text lists. That's basically it, I have LOVED Leopard from the start and I couldn't ever go back :D

[vansouza]

Honestly the only thing I want is for Leopard to start up and shut down as fast as Tiger did. It is still much faster than Windows but not near where Tiger was. And what's with 3 different shades of the blue screens at start up???

Other than that honestly the only bugs I ever notice are the printer icons stay in the dock after you print, spaces kind of makes windows go a little funky some times like in Final Cut Pro, and Front Row has a graphical glitch with the bottom fade out gradient on the text lists. That's basically it, I have LOVED Leopard from the start and I couldn't ever go back :D

You can right click on the printer icon and choose autoclose or some such and it will be gone when printing is completed.

[spooky mulder]

[QUOTE=MacFly123;5300895]Honestly the only thing I want is for Leopard to . And what's with 3 different shades of the blue screens at start up???

what 3 different shades of blue? I haven't noticed any different shad of blue but one... just curious... But when will 10.5.3 come out? I know the artice states that it is still up in the air but granted how this process works with seeds to developers and such when do you guys think this will come out?

[Mackan]

When will Java 6 come....

[/dev/toaster]

When will Java 6 come....

Java makes me giggle

[rexamafex]

I hope this fix the random crash caused by Front Row. Its really pissing me off.

[vansouza]

I hope this fix the random crash caused by Front Row. Its really pissing me off.

What do you do that makes FR crash? I will try... what hardware are you on?

[FadeToBlack]

What do you do that makes FR crash? I will try... what hardware are you on?

I've looked in my crash reports before and noticed that Front Row has crashed, but I've never noticed it crashing. It always works fine for me, so I dunno what's up with it.

[cbrain]

Another step closer.

[Jiddick ExRex]

What do you do that makes FR crash? I will try... what hardware are you on?

It still has problems with locking up when using it to listen for music, when starting to read a DVD, FR sometimes becomes non-responsive. It has problems exiting and locks up.

It's annoying as hell especially since the interface is so different from other apps, ie. you cannot just multitask to the desktop if you have a problem, you need to hardboot!

Oh yeah, I also hope they will fix a lot of Automator issues!

[aLoC]

I don't like how the iPhoto library doesn't work in desktop picture selection.

[richard.mac]

if this doesnt fix the Time Machine bug where Exposé & Dashboard keyboard & mouse shortcuts are cleared after deleting or restoring a file in Time Machine ill punch the internet in the face.

other than that i cant wait!

[FadeToBlack]

I hope it makes repairing permissions A LOT faster! It was much faster in Tiger. Pretty annoying bug.

[Stike]

I don't like how the iPhoto library doesn't work in desktop picture selection.

Yeah, but I see the Aperture Library - TWICE.

And when I choose a pic from that, I only get the preview quality, and not the linked image :(

[Stridder44]

On behalf of myself and the entire Mac community, a big resounding "I hope they fix the airport issues".

[ZrSiO4-Zircon]

On behalf of myself and the entire Mac community, a big resounding "I hope they fix the airport issues".

Amen. It's annoying as hell to wait for 1-2 minutes from sleep with no indication of life coming from the MBP. Black screen, no sleep light, just have to wait to see if my laptop is alive. Bleh.

[richard.mac]

I don't like how the iPhoto library doesn't work in desktop picture selection.

that because youve set iPhoto to not copy photos to its library when importing.

i too couldnt select a picture from iPhoto in the Desktop background preferences either it just made my desktop blue. then i started copying photos to my iPhoto library and it worked.

now ive got to find out how to remove all my old photos and copy them back to iPhoto's library without messing up my events and albums…

[adom]

stupid question, what's "Back To My Mac"?

[aLoC]

that because youve set iPhoto to not copy photos to its library when importing.

Yes but I still think it's a bug -- it should work either way.

[cecemf]

stupid question, what's "Back To My Mac"?

http://www.apple.com/dotmac/backtomymac.html

Wherever you go. There’s your Mac.
Back to My Mac puts any remote Leopard-based Mac you use within easy reach. .Mac finds your Mac computers over the Internet and displays them in the Leopard Finder on the Mac you’re using. So you can connect from anywhere with just a click.

[Mekgek]

Honestly the only thing I want is for Leopard to start up and shut down as fast as Tiger did. It is still much faster than Windows but not near where Tiger was. And what's with 3 different shades of the blue screens at start up???

I notice the exact same thing....weird

[treichert]

I hope it makes repairing permissions A LOT faster! It was much faster in Tiger. Pretty annoying bug.


not going to happen, as repairing permissions is completely different in Leopard.

the only thing not working correctly while repairing permissions is the indicator saying "less than a minute..."

[JasonK]

http://www.apple.com/dotmac/backtomymac.html

Wherever you go. There’s your Mac.
Back to My Mac puts any remote Leopard-based Mac you use within easy reach. .Mac finds your Mac computers over the Internet and displays them in the Leopard Finder on the Mac you’re using. So you can connect from anywhere with just a click.

Hahahaha. "mac! how did you get here!" nice copy and paste, took the words right out of :apple:'s website. I laugh.

[Jiddick ExRex]

Amen. It's annoying as hell to wait for 1-2 minutes from sleep with no indication of life coming from the MBP. Black screen, no sleep light, just have to wait to see if my laptop is alive. Bleh.

This should have been fixed in the recent firmware update.

[John01021988]

I want 10.5.3 with me nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww heheheh! Hopefully it will speed up things in everyones system! BTW! Hopefully it will give us all the "Safari feels snappy" feeling as well!!!

[JasonK]

I want 10.5.3 with me nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww heheheh! Hopefully it will speed up things in everyones system! BTW! Hopefully it will give us all the "Safari feels snappy" feeling as well!!!

I haven't had SFS since 10.3.9! :o

[Montserrat]

Hmmm

Aperture photos in Front Row
That annoying desktop photo selection bug
iChat video and audio chats with AIM 6.whateveritisnow users
Oh and the annoying Preview samples in ultrabeat bug (although that may require a Logic update)

Those would make me very happy

[Gentile]

It's annoying as hell especially since the interface is so different from other apps, ie. you cannot just multitask to the desktop if you have a problem, you need to hardboot!

How about hitting control+option+escape? That normally takes me out of Front Row if it crashes.

[Manic Mouse]

Honestly the only thing I want is for Leopard to start up and shut down as fast as Tiger did. It is still much faster than Windows but not near where Tiger was. And what's with 3 different shades of the blue screens at start up???

Yup, I get this too. And it seems to hold up the whole booting process...

[cbrain]

Hahahaha. "mac! how did you get here!" nice copy and paste, took the words right out of :apple:'s website. I laugh.

Apple, the creators, are most likely to give the explanation, cecemf never said there were her own words.

[Switched2aMac]

I hope this fixes the random freezing I have been experiencing lately along with a lot of other users. It appears it has something to do with the backlit keyboard.

Please Apple fix this.

[manu chao]

if this doesnt fix the Time Machine bug where Exposé & Dashboard keyboard & mouse shortcuts are cleared after deleting or restoring a file in Time Machine ill punch the internet in the face.

Ah, that is it what deleted the shortcuts.

[zaxxon72]

>And what's with 3 different shades of the blue screens at start up???

I'd rather have 3 shades of blue screens at startup than one shade of bluescreen 0.3 seconds before I can save my document/spreadsheet/email

:D

[twoodcc]

nice. looking forward to 10.5.3

[PMR]

Wouldn't it be nice if FR played movies with subtitles without the screen going black?

And another thing: with the last EFI update, Safari in my imac now keeps stable without using 100% of my cpu. But there was no update to my 2.16 MB, and safari at 100% is pretty annoying because the fan starts making a lot of noise, my legs will burn and the battery will go down fast as hell, leaving me with firefox beta as my main browser!

Please fix it apple!

[daneoni]

not going to happen, as repairing permissions is completely different in Leopard.

the only thing not working correctly while repairing permissions is the indicator saying "less than a minute..."

Wait are you saying permission's repair will always be slow in leopard?....elaborate

[hogprint]

You can right click on the printer icon and choose autoclose or some such and it will be gone when printing is completed.


does not work. thus the need to be fixed.....

[robogobo]

stupid question, what's "Back To My Mac"?

Great feature, stupid name. Apple did a great job of avoiding the "my_____" naming that everyone else was using to "personalize" the net, right up till now.

[cbrain]

Great feature, stupid name.

To be perfectly honest a think it's an excellent name. What's wrong with it?

[mjstew33]

To be perfectly honest a think it's an excellent name. What's wrong with it?

Agreed. What would be a better name, robogobo?

[treichert]

Wait are you saying permission's repair will always be slow in leopard?....elaborate

I could not find an article over at Apple's web page but I googled a little and came up with this forum post which explains exactly what's happening when Leopard repairs permission compared to Tiger:

http://www.macfixitforums.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=leopard&Number=840028&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1

[EagerDragon]

lets hope they dont break the airport extreme time machine backups..
please apple.. dont!:o

It is not supported, so it could happen very easily. Also they will not be testing it so if they make it worst they wont notice.

[cbrain]

lets hope they dont break the airport extreme time machine backups..
please apple.. dont!:o

If it does get broken it would probably be to promote the sale of the Time Capsule.

[aLoC]

The Spaces bezel would be better if it was just the box and not the arrow. The arrow is confusing and unnecessary.

[zedsdead]

Really hoping for:

(1) Back To My Mac to actually work across different routers.
(2) Time Machine to stop the Kernal Panics.
(3) PRINT SELECTION! - This is just ridiculous that it isn't in Macs yet. And the third party solution stopped working with Leopard.

[137489]

:mad: I hear a lot of annoyances with Leopard on this website. I hope I don't experience any of them. This is my first mac (my reason for buying was Apple's innovation, the rock solidness of Tiger, and the nice additions in Leopard). I ordered it yesterday through macmall, it shipped yesterday and by the tracking ticket - it should be here today or Monday. Please let me be a happy mac owner!! :apple::rolleyes: I am really sick of Windows. WIN 98 second edition and XP professional were the best operating systems from MS. All the others I have not been happy with as there were too many problems and comapitibility issues. I did not dare to try vista. Many Many people I know upgraded to it or bought new computers and are sorry they did and are looking where they can buy XP disks.

Can any one tell me if these updates are required or optional? One thing I hate about MS is waking up in the morning to find that updates were downloaded and then spend 1/2 my day fixing the errors that are occuring.

Also, I probably may not connect my MAC to the internet (atleast not yet) I have heard that while Mac viruses are few and far between, Windows viruses still get downloaded to your MAC. While they can't do anything - they clog up your hard drive and eat disk space. Can anyone recommend a good virus protection, adware and bot removal tools for the mac? I would not want that junk clogging it up - should I connect to the internet.

[Berzerker]

Honestly the only thing I want is for Leopard to start up and shut down as fast as Tiger did. It is still much faster than Windows but not near where Tiger was. And what's with 3 different shades of the blue screens at start up???

The first grey-ish blue screen is similar to the black screen in Vista before it shows the pearl, it's just a buffer screen for what's to come next. The darker blue is when the login screen is loading, however, if you have auto user login, then it will skip that (although still showing the darker blue screen) and change right to the 3rd screen which is grey-ish blue which is a second buffer screen for the desktop (picture) loading.

Hope this helps a bit.

[iReilly]

I've got no problem with the name and I've tried it against four different routers and it works like a champ. My job is in NJ and I live in Sarasota Florida. I go to my favorite pub, The Irish Rover on Gateway Avenue in Sarasota, and they use a Linksys router. It finds my 24" iMac in my home, I run XP in Fusion, VPN into the NJ servers, do my work and order another Guinness. Life is grand!

And all these other software problems that people write about I just do not experience those problems. I have an iBook 1.4, MacBook 2.1, iMac G5 2.1, and an iMac 2.8. The only thing is once in a while I have re-enter my PW in Mail and Safari occasionally hands. Other then that Leopard is INCREDIBLE!

Dan Reilly
Sarasota, FL

[cmaier]

I hope it makes repairing permissions A LOT faster! It was much faster in Tiger. Pretty annoying bug.

there's hardly ever an actual need to repair permissions.

[dal20402]

ill punch the internet in the face.

ROFL :D :p

Make sure to upload that to YouTube.

[cheekybobcat]

The Spaces bezel would be better if it was just the box and not the arrow. The arrow is confusing and unnecessary.

I hope that I can simply turn off Spaces so I can use the key combinations for other programs without switching through Spaces.

[MacMedic]

This should have been fixed in the recent firmware update.

Except I didn't get any firmware update on my SantaRosa MBP... and I've heard some say they still have the sleep problem post update.
FIX IT!!!

[EagerDragon]

:mad: I hear a lot of annoyances with Leopard on this website. I hope I don't experience any of them. This is my first mac (my reason for buying was Apple's innovation, the rock solidness of Tiger, and the nice additions in Leopard). I ordered it yesterday through macmall, it shipped yesterday and by the tracking ticket - it should be here today or Monday. Please let me be a happy mac owner!! :apple::rolleyes: I am really sick of Windows. WIN 98 second edition and XP professional were the best operating systems from MS. All the others I have not been happy with as there were too many problems and comapitibility issues. I did not dare to try vista. Many Many people I know upgraded to it or bought new computers and are sorry they did and are looking where they can buy XP disks.

Can any one tell me if these updates are required or optional? One thing I hate about MS is waking up in the morning to find that updates were downloaded and then spend 1/2 my day fixing the errors that are occuring.

Also, I probably may not connect my MAC to the internet (atleast not yet) I have heard that while Mac viruses are few and far between, Windows viruses still get downloaded to your MAC. While they can't do anything - they clog up your hard drive and eat disk space. Can anyone recommend a good virus protection, adware and bot removal tools for the mac? I would not want that junk clogging it up - should I connect to the internet.

I would suggest you keep the system clean of junk programs and hacks. At least for a while. Some of the reported issues are real but there are a lot of reported issues that occur only to a very small but vocal minority. I suspect some is caused by junk programs and some plug-ins.

Keep it pristine for a while see how well Leopard runs. After that add stuff at your own risk.

My systems runs well and never re-books or lockup, no issues with wireless either, it is a dream.

Welcome to the Mac community.

While viruses can be stored in your Mac, they are ussualy inside of files you download. Be selective of what you download. Delete any .exe files they wont do you any good and all they do is eat space. Check your download directory for junk you don't need.

As strange as this may sound to you. I would not worry about viruses, but if you must there is Norton Anti virus, and ClamXav at http://www.clamxav.com/

[WannaGoMac]

:mad: I hear a lot of annoyances with Leopard on this website. I hope I don't experience any of them. This is my first mac (my reason for buying was Apple's innovation, the rock solidness of Tiger, and the nice additions in Leopard). I ordered it yesterday through macmall, it shipped yesterday and by the tracking ticket - it should be here today or Monday. Please let me be a happy mac owner!! :apple::rolleyes: I am really sick of Windows. WIN 98 second edition and XP professional were the best operating systems from MS. All the others I have not been happy with as there were too many problems and comapitibility issues. I did not dare to try vista. Many Many people I know upgraded to it or bought new computers and are sorry they did and are looking where they can buy XP disks.

Can any one tell me if these updates are required or optional? One thing I hate about MS is waking up in the morning to find that updates were downloaded and then spend 1/2 my day fixing the errors that are occuring.

Also, I probably may not connect my MAC to the internet (atleast not yet) I have heard that while Mac viruses are few and far between, Windows viruses still get downloaded to your MAC. While they can't do anything - they clog up your hard drive and eat disk space. Can anyone recommend a good virus protection, adware and bot removal tools for the mac? I would not want that junk clogging it up - should I connect to the internet.

Actually, Windows 2000 (NT 5.0) was the best Microsoft OS.

XP was just a minor upgrade called 5.1 (2000 was 5.0) that gave Windows 2000 better USB support and a couple of other unimportant items. Essentially, it is just a slowed NT 5. XP is/was just a way to get the unwashed masses to move to NT from Windows 9x DOS series...

[weitzner]

You can right click on the printer icon and choose autoclose or some such and it will be gone when printing is completed.

Thank you so much for that tid bit. The whole printer stays open after printing is done has been an annoyance to me. It was pretty much one of the only things that I didn't like about how my computer worked. Now... all better. Thanks!

[Jiddick ExRex]

How about hitting control+option+escape? That normally takes me out of Front Row if it crashes.

Do you mean the force quit dialog when holding cmd + option + escape? Because that doesn't work.
If not, I will try your suggestion next time. :)

[RKnight]

What I want to see updated is that files associations persist through a reboot or logout when your using FileVault. Its very annoying to have it revert back to the defaults, or better yet, install a new program and the association changes, and you can't change it back to what it was... that's always a good time.

That and I hate sometimes in Safari, when I'm loading up a tab or two, I get a beach ball for like 10 secs as its struggling to load a particular page, then boom, its all better.

Don't get me wrong, I love Leopard :D. These are just my two main complaints.

[treichert]

there's hardly ever an actual need to repair permissions.

QFE:cool:

[Jiddick ExRex]

Except I didn't get any firmware update on my SantaRosa MBP... and I've heard some say they still have the sleep problem post update.
FIX IT!!!

Yeah great. I just experienced this too.

Did you btw try to apply the firmware update manually?

[dal20402]

I hope that I can simply turn off Spaces so I can use the key combinations for over programs and end up switching through Spaces.

:confused: :confused: :eek: :rolleyes:

Step away from the special cigarette...

[cheekybobcat]

My b. I was just being ignorant. I didn't bother to look around :/

[jonhaxor]

My b. I was just being ignorant. I didn't bother to look around :/

wow .. the user ratings - i guess they mean nothing

(sorry - just being cheeky)

[Saladinos]

I hope that I can simply turn off Spaces so I can use the key combinations for other programs without switching through Spaces.

You can. Go to expose/spaces prefs, and uncheck "Enable Spaces" in the top-left.

You can also change the key combinations.

Also, XP was an important OS for Microsoft. 2000 and NT were aimed at business and professional users, XP made the power of that system available to Consumers. Vista was a mess because Microsoft broke their mould and tried to make a system appealing to both consumers and business users, and ended us satisfying neither. Apple are good at appealing to both due to the BSD base of OSX, and the great Aqua interface, as well as having great bundled first party applications.

[jonhaxor]

When will Java 6 come....

Java 6 dp9 (1.6.0_04) is only 64bit intel and was last updated in mid Feb .. i'd look here (http://community.java.net/mac/) and here (http://lists.apple.com/archives/java-dev) for update news

[jonhaxor]

there's hardly ever an actual need to repair permissions.

it all depends on what you're doing to your system

[jonhaxor]

I haven't had SFS since 10.3.9! :o

sure you have .. it's just that second S doesn't stand for "snappy" anymore

[GradientMac]

I hope it fixes the problems I've been having with water reflections in games- AKA a graphics card update. My water reflection is very, very messed up now.

[vansouza]

does not work. thus the need to be fixed.....

Since it works for me what printers are you using?

[Sweetfeld28]

I would like to see the Airport Signal in Leopard, on my Tibook have a Full Signal and not just one or two bars. Since Apple hasn't updated it in any Airport Related fix, i have reverted back to Tiger.

Come on Apple.

[Kar98]

You can right click on the printer icon and choose autoclose or some such

Yes.

and it will be gone when printing is completed.

Alas, no.

[bankshot]

For everyone who has issues they want fixed, have you filled out a very thorough bug report at bugreport.apple.com (http://bugreport.apple.com/)? If not, there's a chance that Apple doesn't know about it yet. The most important thing when filing a good bug report is to use their template and provide as much relevant information as humanly possible.

It always makes me wonder when I see reports of "no known issues" in seeds when I'm sure that they can't possibly have fixed every single one of the hundreds (or maybe thousands??) of bugs that exist. Is it because Apple isn't aware of them or simply that they don't consider anything else to be "showstoppers" that cause major harm. The only way to know for sure is to send good reports of your own issues. At least then you know they're aware of the problem.

FWIW, I've submitted several bug reports, and while some appeared to be new to them, most were marked as "duplicate report" by Apple engineers. Regardless, it helped me feel better knowing for sure that they're aware of the problem.

[rushmere]

You can right click on the printer icon and choose autoclose or some such and it will be gone when printing is completed.

I've got this option checked, but it never autocloses for me.

[Sweetfeld28]

Bankshot, thanks for the info. I didn't even know about that link. I be sure to bookmark it, and use it from now on.

[Peace]

I hope that I can simply turn off Spaces so I can use the key combinations for other programs without switching through Spaces.


You can do that now. Jut uncheck spaces.

[MidiMonk]

All I want is for my Airport issues to go away for good.PERIOD:apple:



Windows XP has grown on me again, but my main program used daily is OSX only aka Logic Pro 7.

[Freelancer]

there's hardly ever an actual need to repair permissions.
it all depends on what you're doing to your system
like updating Flash plug-in :rolleyes:

[andy721]

Don't say the final Mac OS X 10.5.3 update will become available as a free update, when the hell has it not been free, the more you say this crap apple will most likely charge us for it. When will journalist learn.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[ckurowic]

http://www.apple.com/dotmac/backtomymac.html

Wherever you go. There’s your Mac.
Back to My Mac puts any remote Leopard-based Mac you use within easy reach. .Mac finds your Mac computers over the Internet and displays them in the Leopard Finder on the Mac you’re using. So you can connect from anywhere with just a click.

I just use dyndns. Its free and works the same, mostly. I haven't tried back to my Mac yet, not sure I will since you have to pay for it.

:mad: I hear a lot of annoyances with Leopard on this website. I hope I don't experience any of them. This is my first mac (my reason for buying was Apple's innovation, the rock solidness of Tiger, and the nice additions in Leopard). I ordered it yesterday through macmall, it shipped yesterday and by the tracking ticket - it should be here today or Monday. Please let me be a happy mac owner!! :apple::rolleyes: I am really sick of Windows. WIN 98 second edition and XP professional were the best operating systems from MS. All the others I have not been happy with as there were too many problems and comapitibility issues. I did not dare to try vista. Many Many people I know upgraded to it or bought new computers and are sorry they did and are looking where they can buy XP disks.

Can any one tell me if these updates are required or optional? One thing I hate about MS is waking up in the morning to find that updates were downloaded and then spend 1/2 my day fixing the errors that are occuring.

Also, I probably may not connect my MAC to the internet (atleast not yet) I have heard that while Mac viruses are few and far between, Windows viruses still get downloaded to your MAC. While they can't do anything - they clog up your hard drive and eat disk space. Can anyone recommend a good virus protection, adware and bot removal tools for the mac? I would not want that junk clogging it up - should I connect to the internet.

MAC is not an acronym ;). But honestly, it just depends on your setup. I feel that if you've got a lot of 3rd party crap installed then you'll have more issues. I have not had any of the issues with Leopard people have expressed. I'm sure it does have its bugs, I just haven't seen them yet. In fact, since I installed Leopard when it first came out, I have never had a single freeze or kernel panic.

[ChristoRogers]

Also, I probably may not connect my MAC to the internet (atleast not yet) I have heard that while Mac viruses are few and far between, Windows viruses still get downloaded to your MAC. While they can't do anything - they clog up your hard drive and eat disk space. Can anyone recommend a good virus protection, adware and bot removal tools for the mac? I would not want that junk clogging it up - should I connect to the internet.

The way you word it, it makes it sound like your Mac will be hacked and viruses (that don't do anything) will be downloaded without your permission, just by connecting to the Internet. The only way this could happen without user intervention is through exploiting that specific type of security hole (one that requires no user intervention). Otherwise, if you mean going to web sites on the Internet, you would have to actively open a file that exploits a security hole, such as loading an image or movie file on a web page. (Or, you could knowingly download and run a program that purports to be something else, or something that says you "need it," and you don't know what else to do so you just install it.) Anyway, if your Mac is being hacked just to store Windows viruses on your hard drive, then what's the point in hacking the computer in the first place? My point is, if someone is going through all the trouble to hack your Mac, don't worry, they will go all the way and write a Mac virus or do whatever for "useful purposes", and not pretend to by filling up your hard drive with programs that they know can't be run in the first place (which I can't imagine is useful.) ;) So you don't need to worry about your hard drive being filled up with Windows malware.

[mikey.f]

Here's to a soon release with lots of bugfixes!:D

[goldy484]

You can't compare apple to any other computer company. They are doing everything right!

[megfilmworks]

Alas, no.
Auto quit works fine for me. I have a Canon 600 on my TimeCapsule.
Works like a charm.

[Gentile]

Do you mean the force quit dialog when holding cmd + option + escape? Because that doesn't work.
If not, I will try your suggestion next time. :)

I think Front Row locked up a few times while playing a dvd. I was going to Force Quite and the above key combination got me out of Front Row. See if it helps you.

[ZrSiO4-Zircon]

This should have been fixed in the recent firmware update.

I was hoping it would have, but alas, it didn't.

[seashellz]

I want 10.4.12-or even-saints preserve us- 13 if they can do it

[maybesew]

MAC is not an acronym ;). But honestly, it just depends on your setup. I feel that if you've got a lot of 3rd party crap installed then you'll have more issues. I have not had any of the issues with Leopard people have expressed. I'm sure it does have its bugs, I just haven't seen them yet. In fact, since I installed Leopard when it first came out, I have never had a single freeze or kernel panic.

Actually, MAC is indeed an acronym in this context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_address

BTTM uses IPv6 tunneling and your systems MAC address to identify it and allow you to connect over the the internet and thru routers, etc

I currently use BTTM and dyndns.org for different reasons. BTTM is nice seamless integration for screen sharing ,etc

and dyndns is nice for running clutch, web server, etc

[Kaptajn Haddock]

Hmmm

Aperture photos in Front Row
That annoying desktop photo selection bug
iChat video and audio chats with AIM 6.whateveritisnow users
Oh and the annoying Preview samples in ultrabeat bug (although that may require a Logic update)

Those would make me very happy

Yep, it is beyond me why Aperture still does not show up in Front Row.

[glasserp]

Don't say the final Mac OS X 10.5.3 update will become available as a free update, when the hell has it not been free, the more you say this crap apple will most likely charge us for it. When will journalist learn.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

that has to be the stupidest thing i've ever heard

[dextertangocci]

I hope it fixes those lame airport issues:mad:

[powermac_daddy]

just release it!

[cheekybobcat]

wow .. the user ratings - i guess they mean nothing

(sorry - just being cheeky)

Sorry. I forgot that as a human, mistakes are unacceptable. As well as not having 100% knowledge of everything in the world.
what was I thinking...

[jonhaxor]

Sorry. I forgot that as a human, mistakes are unacceptable. As well as not having 100% knowledge of everything in the world.
what was I thinking...

as a mere mortal .. no problem .. but as a demi-God - that's a different story .. hence with you as a mere mortal like the rest of us - i guess the macrumors ratings mean nothing :p

sorry - no offense meant - just thought you'd be a little more cheeky instead of personally offended

[JasonK]

Don't say the final Mac OS X 10.5.3 update will become available as a free update, when the hell has it not been free, the more you say this crap apple will most likely charge us for it. When will journalist learn.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

This is an ill informed comment. Apple would be stupid to stop their "free" updates... that would be like paying for basic cable, unthinkable... I would never pay for a free update...;)

[k2spitfire88]

I want 10.4.12-or even 13 if they can do it

Probly not, if I remember correctly, 10.4.11 was the last one they were gonna release. Sorry!

[BRLawyer]

Don't say the final Mac OS X 10.5.3 update will become available as a free update, when the hell has it not been free, the more you say this crap apple will most likely charge us for it. When will journalist learn.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

10.0.x are ALWAYS free by definition, so calm down...

[thekurgan]

Leopard wake from sleep ******** needs to get fixed, enough is enough.

[dvince2]

You can't compare apple to any other computer company. They are doing everything right!

*sigh*

[cbrain]

Leopard wake from sleep ******** needs to get fixed, enough is enough.

I also have this forum, but aren't wake-from-sleep issues EFI related?

[i.maverick]

Yes but I still think it's a bug -- it should work either way.

ya.it should.

[i.maverick]

not going to happen, as repairing permissions is completely different in Leopard.

the only thing not working correctly while repairing permissions is the indicator saying "less than a minute..."

different doesn't actually spell out slow.

[rexamafex]

What do you do that makes FR crash? I will try... what hardware are you on?

As stated by others, when you listen to music you whole system randomly freezes. None of the hotkeys or anything work. The only thing you can do is hardboot ur computer.

I am not sure, but maybe this is only limited to MBP Penryn.....

[i.maverick]

I hope that I can simply turn off Spaces so I can use the key combinations for other programs without switching through Spaces.

u can. system preferences...??!!
:confused::)

[i.maverick]

Except I didn't get any firmware update on my SantaRosa MBP... and I've heard some say they still have the sleep problem post update.
FIX IT!!!

even i didn't get it in software update. i did download it from apple's website though. too scared to run it.
it's on my only comp.
:p

[MacFly123]

[QUOTE=MacFly123;5300895] What 3 different shades of blue? I haven't noticed any different shad of blue but one... just curious... But when will 10.5.3 come out? I know the artice states that it is still up in the air but granted how this process works with seeds to developers and such when do you guys think this will come out?

Whenever any of my Leopard computers start up after the white Apple screen it goes to the plain blue screen before the log in screen, but it flashes through like 3 different shaded blue screens which it never use to do in Tiger.

You can right click on the printer icon and choose autoclose or some such and it will be gone when printing is completed.

It worked :D Thank you! Oops, sorry for the double post.

The first grey-ish blue screen is similar to the black screen in Vista before it shows the pearl, it's just a buffer screen for what's to come next. The darker blue is when the login screen is loading, however, if you have auto user login, then it will skip that (although still showing the darker blue screen) and change right to the 3rd screen which is grey-ish blue which is a second buffer screen for the desktop (picture) loading.

Hope this helps a bit.

Lol ok well you are probably right, but all I know is Tiger never did that and it started up and shut down quite a bit faster than Leopard! Fix it Apple :(

I guess nobody else is posting today. Can the MOD combine my posts please??? Thank you!

[wizard]

First; off you need to separate the people with the minority issues from the overall body of users. A b it of back ground is in order here to help you understand the issues. I run Linux on my desktop machines and have so for some time, my last Mac being a Mac Plus. A couple of weeks ago (month) I went out and purchased a new Mac Book Pro so my experience with this version of UNIX is new.

Deep down that is what OS/X is, it is a version of Unix with NeXT Step (Cocoa) on top of it for a user environment. That is a pretty solid combination! Like all things software though bugs do creep in from time to time, but my experience so far is that 10.5.2 is very stable. I especially like how easy it is to add in the assorted UNIX programs and to manage other free ware apps.

It is not all about free ware either as the reason I went with Apple was to partake in some of their class leading software. This being Aperture, XCode and iTunes. Maybe some others in the future. In any event see some comments below.

:mad: I hear a lot of annoyances with Leopard on this website. I hope I don't experience any of them. This is my first mac (my reason for buying was Apple's innovation, the rock solidness of Tiger, and the nice additions in Leopard).

While those are all good reasons to go the Apple route I would suggest that taking in the bigger picture is just as important. By this I mean it is good to have competition with Microsoft. It is pretty obvious what happens to a monopoly when the leadership team doesn't have a vision anymore. In other words alternatives like Apple, Sony {PS3}, and Linux are very important to have when the big ship is sinking.

I ordered it yesterday through macmall, it shipped yesterday and by the tracking ticket - it should be here today or Monday. Please let me be a happy mac owner!! :apple::rolleyes:

It is entirely up to you. The best way to do so is to develop the back bone to not let people crap on your vision of the world.

I am really sick of Windows. WIN 98 second edition and XP professional were the best operating systems from MS. All the others I have not been happy with as there were too many problems and comapitibility issues. I did not dare to try vista. Many Many people I know upgraded to it or bought new computers and are sorry they did and are looking where they can buy XP disks.

There are actually people out there that will tell you they like Vista or for that matter any previous version of Windows. The big draw for Windows has always been the notion of software availability which is real. In the past I simply could not have done my Job on a Mac system so at work it has always been Windows in one variant or another. It can be a place to get work done reliably in a tightly controlled environment.

The good thing with the current Macs is that you have a very stable OS that runs on Intel hardware and thus can support Windows in various ways. So when using todays hardware a Mac does not completely exclude you from the world of Windows software.


Can any one tell me if these updates are required or optional? One thing I hate about MS is waking up in the morning to find that updates were downloaded and then spend 1/2 my day fixing the errors that are occuring.

You should normally consider updates as required!!! That is after verifying that they cause no trouble. Many of the problems in Windows for example result from people ignoring system and security updates.

In any event I've already have gone through various updates and have had no problems.


Also, I probably may not connect my MAC to the internet (atleast not yet) I have heard that while Mac viruses are few and far between, Windows viruses still get downloaded to your MAC.

Some will some won't. That is no reason to avoid the internet though. First; off there are very few cross platform viruses. Second; a huge portion of Windows viruses come in E-Mails and exploit issues with Windows Outlook.

While they can't do anything - they clog up your hard drive and eat disk space.

No more than any other bits of software that gets cached on your hard drive. The approach here is simple manage what is cached on your hard drive. Thus limit how much space Safari or FireFox use on your disk drive. Same thing for your E-Mail programs. When it comes to downloads manage the also. Make it a point to trim your downloads directory often.

Can anyone recommend a good virus protection, adware and bot removal tools for the mac? I would not want that junk clogging it up - should I connect to the internet.

I don't have such and really don't see a pressing need. Certainly I will need some sort of anti virus protection in the future. Thankfully though I haven't experienced much in the way of adware getting installed.

In any event I'm bothered by the impression you give that you have no control over what gets installed. You do and that goes a long way to making the machine stable. As to the adware, antivirus and other "protection" you want to install, realize that that stuff eats up a lot of CPU cycles and goes to making a sluggish computer. Certainty all the junk ware of Windows doesn't help the impression of performance but full time virus protection, and other utilities are are a contributing factor. There is not free lunch when it comes to virus protection.

Finally What does get downloaded to a Mac only clogs it up in the sense of using space on the hard disk. Just because the programs are on disk does not mean that they are executing in back ground eating CPU cycles. My suggestion is to put more effort into learning about your system and how to use it properly. Buy a good book or two or find some credible internet references. Knowing when and how to do the right thing can lead to a much more reliable computer.

Otherwise you can spend your hard earned money with a "computer repairman".. Most of which just reinstall the system software to fix mucked up systems.

Dave

[wizard]

For everyone who has issues they want fixed, have you filled out a very thorough bug report at bugreport.apple.com (http://bugreport.apple.com/)? If not, there's a chance that Apple doesn't know about it yet.

A very important point ++++++++++

It always makes me wonder when I see reports of "no known issues" in seeds when I'm sure that they can't possibly have fixed every single one of the hundreds (or maybe thousands??) of bugs that exist

I think this is a bit of developer speak in that they tackle a set of known issues for the next release. The flip side of this is just because you or I think it is a problem does not imply that Apple feels the same way. Finally there is always an issue of a regression on the way to a different solution, thus some bugs will stay where they are because a feature or package might not be expected to be around for a long time.


FWIW, I've submitted several bug reports, and while some appeared to be new to them, most were marked as "duplicate report" by Apple engineers. Regardless, it helped me feel better knowing for sure that they're aware of the problem.

This is very important for people to grasp a programmer can't fix what he doesn't know about. Further you can be assured that Apple wants to know about real bugs and regressions. The flips side of this is that the status report can give you some idea of the problems nature, maybe they don't see things the same way as you. Thus by filling a report people can understand where the issues lie.

dave

[harper101]

http://www.apple.com/dotmac/backtomymac.html

Wherever you go. There’s your Mac.
Back to My Mac puts any remote Leopard-based Mac you use within easy reach. .Mac finds your Mac computers over the Internet and displays them in the Leopard Finder on the Mac you’re using. So you can connect from anywhere with just a click.

How do I contact my home computer if I'm at work? I always wondered how my office mac would see my home mac if I was at work........

[Digital Skunk]

I hope they get back to my mac working on 3rd party routers. I know it has to do with how the security is setup and all, but I can't get BTMM working anywhere but home, or with an Apple router.

That is one of the best features I have seen in this new Leopard/Airport/Screen Sharing thing Apple has... I really hope they get it working.

[bobbleheadbob]

I hope they get back to my mac working on 3rd party routers. I know it has to do with how the security is setup and all, but I can't get BTMM working anywhere but home, or with an Apple router.

That is one of the best features I have seen in this new Leopard/Airport/Screen Sharing thing Apple has... I really hope they get it working.

I'm having trouble with this, too. I thought it was me. :o I hope we see some fixes in the next software revision.

[137489]

I would suggest you keep the system clean of junk programs and hacks. At least for a while. Some of the reported issues are real but there are a lot of reported issues that occur only to a very small but vocal minority. I suspect some is caused by junk programs and some plug-ins.

Keep it pristine for a while see how well Leopard runs. After that add stuff at your own risk.

My systems runs well and never re-books or lockup, no issues with wireless either, it is a dream.

Welcome to the Mac community.

While viruses can be stored in your Mac, they are ussualy inside of files you download. Be selective of what you download. Delete any .exe files they wont do you any good and all they do is eat space. Check your download directory for junk you don't need.

As strange as this may sound to you. I would not worry about viruses, but if you must there is Norton Anti virus, and ClamXav at http://www.clamxav.com/

thanks eagerdragon.

[byeehaaw]

Leopard wake from sleep ******** needs to get fixed, enough is enough.

i use this program called insomniax so my mac always stays awake even when i close the display :). i have my mac plugged in most of the time so i dont have to worry bout battery :)

[137489]

:MAC is not an acronym ;). But honestly, it just depends on your setup. I feel that if you've got a lot of 3rd party crap installed then you'll have more issues. I have not had any of the issues with Leopard people have expressed. I'm sure it does have its bugs, I just haven't seen them yet. In fact, since I installed Leopard when it first came out, I have never had a single freeze or kernel panic.

Sure. MAC is an acronym. Many people who have made the switch says it stands for My Awesome Computer :p:D

Seriously though, I am glad you are the second one to tell me that. I do not plan on installing much from third party (except parallels, which is coming pre-configured and one or 2 apps that Apple does not make themselves). I am not interested in hacks, nor free stuff to make it prettier. My plan is only trusted apps (right from Apple, Omnicell (who makes Omnigraffle), Quickverse and one or two other essentials I need) - no junk will go on my MAC.

[andy721]

10.0.x are ALWAYS free by definition, so calm down...

your the only clown telling me to calm down like I can't express my opinions on here what the hell?

[k2spitfire88]

your the only clown telling me to calm down like I can't express my opinions on here what the hell?

you can express your opinion, but he was commenting on the fact that the updated to OS X have been (and will remain) free! All he was saying is they wont deviate from that, because it would not be smart for them to do otherwise. :D

[137489]

The way you word it, it makes it sound like your Mac will be hacked and viruses (that don't do anything) will be downloaded without your permission, just by connecting to the Internet. The only way this could happen without user intervention is through exploiting that specific type of security hole (one that requires no user intervention). Otherwise, if you mean going to web sites on the Internet, you would have to actively open a file that exploits a security hole, such as loading an image or movie file on a web page. (Or, you could knowingly download and run a program that purports to be something else, or something that says you "need it," and you don't know what else to do so you just install it.) Anyway, if your Mac is being hacked just to store Windows viruses on your hard drive, then what's the point in hacking the computer in the first place? My point is, if someone is going through all the trouble to hack your Mac, don't worry, they will go all the way and write a Mac virus or do whatever for "useful purposes", and not pretend to by filling up your hard drive with programs that they know can't be run in the first place (which I can't imagine is useful.) ;) So you don't need to worry about your hard drive being filled up with Windows malware.

Glad to hear that. I just remember some ealier posts about people finding windows malware stored on their hard drive. I just want to make sure I protect my new investment. And yes investment. Mac is not cheap, but I hear many people say it lasts and have been running theirs for a long time.

[137489]

snip

Dave

thanks Dave. I already bought a book "Special edition Using Mac OS X Leopard" it is one of the Que books (and I also bought a book on making the most of iLife)

[MacFly123]

:mad: I hear a lot of annoyances with Leopard on this website. I hope I don't experience any of them. This is my first mac (my reason for buying was Apple's innovation, the rock solidness of Tiger, and the nice additions in Leopard). I ordered it yesterday through macmall, it shipped yesterday and by the tracking ticket - it should be here today or Monday. Please let me be a happy mac owner!! :apple::rolleyes: I am really sick of Windows. WIN 98 second edition and XP professional were the best operating systems from MS. All the others I have not been happy with as there were too many problems and comapitibility issues. I did not dare to try vista. Many Many people I know upgraded to it or bought new computers and are sorry they did and are looking where they can buy XP disks.

Can any one tell me if these updates are required or optional? One thing I hate about MS is waking up in the morning to find that updates were downloaded and then spend 1/2 my day fixing the errors that are occuring.

Also, I probably may not connect my MAC to the internet (atleast not yet) I have heard that while Mac viruses are few and far between, Windows viruses still get downloaded to your MAC. While they can't do anything - they clog up your hard drive and eat disk space. Can anyone recommend a good virus protection, adware and bot removal tools for the mac? I would not want that junk clogging it up - should I connect to the internet.

All the people in this forum are techie people therefore they are going to complain about little things that normal people would never even notice. I have LOVED Leopard even from the very beginning and have had basically no problems with it at all. I wouldn't worry, you will love your Mac and I have never heard anything about viruses like that. I don't think you need to worry, just enjoy! :D

[megfilmworks]

I wouldn't worry either.
The facts are:
98% of Leopard users have less than a 1 in 150 chance of having any OS problems 56% of the time, on a good day.

[MacFly123]

Since it works for me what printers are you using?

It does work, I just did it! I think he is saying that it should be that way by default without having to select it, therefore it needs fixed. I think he is right because I didn't ever have to select auto-close like that in Tiger. But either way, now it closes. Thanks!

:Sure. MAC is an acronym. Many people who have made the switch says it stands for My Awesome Computer :p:D

Haha, I always say "PC" in one as well... Piece of Crap! I know many who agree lol :)

[Saladinos]

wizard:

I totally agree. Especially with the point that users have control over what gets installed. Many people moan about Vista's UAC prompts, unaware that what it does is give them control over their computer. I know a lot of developers in Microsoft, and one of them showed me a demo application he wrote for a presentation that disabled the user's firewall. Under XP, it worked. You were never prompted; you may not even know that it had ever run. On Vista, you got a UAC prompt that an application the user didn't know was trying to alter the system.

In fact, once you understand why a lot of the decisions in Vista were taken, you can understand and sympathise with the changes that were made, even though they broke compatibility. Most people don't have this understanding, and can't appreciate that a lot of the compatibility issues give them better performance and/or security, and that it is a much better OS.

OSX has something similar to this. By default you run in a limited user mode. If you want to copy things to protected directories, you have to enter an administrator password (not necessarily root - your account pw works, showing that by default you don't have the full permissions your account entitles you to).

Basically, if you are running the latest OS version, you're pretty safe. Vista is exceptionally hard to crack, due to the billions of dollars Microsoft has invested in security. Apple seems quite good at features, but I doubt their competence when mac security vulnerabilities start becoming more widespread. That said, as a Mac user, I'd very much like to be proven wrong.

[137489]

All the people in this forum are techie people therefore they are going to complain about little things that normal people would never even notice. I have LOVED Leopard even from the very beginning and have had basically no problems with it at all. I wouldn't worry, you will love your Mac and I have never heard anything about viruses like that. I don't think you need to worry, just enjoy! :D

Thanks macfly....

I am a techie person too (20 years in various levels of I/T), but that is not what my mac is going to be used for per say. Other than what I need to do for work on company owned computers - I tend to now stay away from tweaking computers (very rarely do I tweak mine). Nowadays - I really only work with Apps I need for my ministry and pleasure. My Mac will generally be used for office applications, home finance, teaching, audio, video, publishing for the web, bible study/ministry, and maybe some light application developement. I also have a friend who is a worship pastor and musician (Christian Music Artist). He has been looking at a mac and may want me to show him and work with him on Garage Band to write and publish more of his music (first I must learn how to use it to all its advantages). He wants a mac also, but money is a little tight for him. His good friend Lenny Leblanc (composed the popular Christian Song "Above All") has been asking him "what, your a musician and you don't own a mac yet?"

So I am glad to hear that someone who will be using his new mac for a little more than a "normal user" should not really see any of the problems being reported.;)

I am already looking forward to the experiance just browsing through my MAC OS X lepord book and Ilife 08 books I bought - can't wait until Monday or tuesday when it is in my hands and I get to playing and composing videos on Final Cut Express (I took Adobe Premier Elements as far as I can probably take it - now I need professional effects).

[compuguy1088]

When will Java 6 come....

I'm wondering the same thing....

[SiliconAddict]

I swear to god I must be the most unlucky Mac user. I've talked to all my friends who own Macs and the stuff I've run across NEVEr happens to them. Take for instance last night. I'm popping in a DVD to rip to my iPod and open up handbrake. At the same time Time Machine starts up but hangs, which in turn is causing my entire system to freeze. No apps are responsive. I can't force quit them from either the activity monitor or the command line. Hell I can't even unmount my external hard drive. In fact I couldn't even shut down the computer because the system couldn't kill iTunes, firefox, handbrake, or Adium. Instead I physically yank the USB cable to my external drive and lo and behold the system starts responding again with the warning that my disk my be corrupted now. Thankfully I booted off the Leopard DVD and did a repair of the disk and I was fine...but still.
Weird *** behavior that I NEVER have under Windows and don't tell me its my hardware. I took my laptop into Apple and they ran some extensive diagnostics on the thing with 0 problems found...so if it is my hardware there is jack I can do about it. Is it any wonder why I bitch so much? :(

PS- No one ever did explain to me how on Tiger, even 10.4.10 why when I shut my computer down instead of turning it off occasionally it would simply kill the GUI and send me to the command line of OS X....not even the folks at the Apple store could explain that one.

[asdavis10]

Seriously though, I am glad you are the second one to tell me that. I do not plan on installing much from third party (except parallels, which is coming pre-configured and one or 2 apps that Apple does not make themselves). I am not interested in hacks, nor free stuff to make it prettier. My plan is only trusted apps (right from Apple, Omnicell (who makes Omnigraffle), Quickverse and one or two other essentials I need) - no junk will go on my MAC.

Parallels is ok but VMWare Fusion is much better.

[F/reW/re]

Anyone else having problem with renaming files?
I hit Enter to select the file-name, and then Finder hits enter again before I get the time to write the new name. This is extremly annoying. I have to open the getInfo panel to be able to change a name. :mad:

[BRLawyer]

I swear to god I must be the most unlucky Mac user. I've talked to all my friends who own Macs and the stuff I've run across NEVEr happens to them. Take for instance last night. I'm popping in a DVD to rip to my iPod and open up handbrake. At the same time Time Machine starts up but hangs, which in turn is causing my entire system to freeze. No apps are responsive. I can't force quit them from either the activity monitor or the command line. Hell I can't even unmount my external hard drive. In fact I couldn't even shut down the computer because the system couldn't kill iTunes, firefox, handbrake, or Adium. Instead I physically yank the USB cable to my external drive and lo and behold the system starts responding again with the warning that my disk my be corrupted now. Thankfully I booted off the Leopard DVD and did a repair of the disk and I was fine...but still.
Weird *** behavior that I NEVER have under Windows and don't tell me its my hardware. I took my laptop into Apple and they ran some extensive diagnostics on the thing with 0 problems found...so if it is my hardware there is jack I can do about it. Is it any wonder why I bitch so much? :(


Have you checked your console messages? Is it showing a "disk underrun" error?

[sammich]

Anyone else having problem with renaming files?
I hit Enter to select the file-name, and then Finder hits enter again before I get the time to write the new name. This is extremly annoying. I have to open the getInfo panel to be able to change a name. :mad:

This happens when the Finder updates the icons so that they show the previews of that file. To disable it: go to Menu Bar > View > Show View Options, then deselect 'Show Icon Preview'.

I totally agree with you. IT IS SERIOUSLY ANNOYING. Especially when you're just trying to rename photos/videos.

[Mainyehc]

I swear to god I must be the most unlucky Mac user. I've talked to all my friends who own Macs and the stuff I've run across NEVEr happens to them. Take for instance last night. I'm popping in a DVD to rip to my iPod and open up handbrake. At the same time Time Machine starts up but hangs, which in turn is causing my entire system to freeze. No apps are responsive. I can't force quit them from either the activity monitor or the command line. Hell I can't even unmount my external hard drive. In fact I couldn't even shut down the computer because the system couldn't kill iTunes, firefox, handbrake, or Adium. Instead I physically yank the USB cable to my external drive and lo and behold the system starts responding again with the warning that my disk my be corrupted now. Thankfully I booted off the Leopard DVD and did a repair of the disk and I was fine...but still.
Weird *** behavior that I NEVER have under Windows and don't tell me its my hardware. I took my laptop into Apple and they ran some extensive diagnostics on the thing with 0 problems found...so if it is my hardware there is jack I can do about it. Is it any wonder why I bitch so much? :(

My G5 iMac, too, experiences that kind of behaviour somewhat often. In my case, however, I was lucky (or unlucky? :p ) enough to isolate the issue: It turns out that my external iSight and my external LaCie FireWire hard drive sometimes conflict with one another... Back when I used Tiger and had my iTunes library on the external drive, sometimes playback would stutter or stop altogether and, I figure, more than half of the times I had to unplug the iSight before my USB-connected 5G iPod could even start synching...

Right now I upgraded my internal hard drive and moved back my iTunes library to it, but I'm getting the same random, abnormal behaviour with Time Machine; sometimes it'll just fail to perform the backup. The operative word being *sometimes*, a fact that bothers me to no end. It seems that either this model's I/O controller is very finicky, or Mac OS X still has some nasty and pervasive unsolved bugs... It could also be that my peripherals just don't like each other very well. :rolleyes:
Oh well, at least I know, to some extent, what's causing it and and, thus, don't have to be pointlessly forcing restarts on my machine. I always keep my iSight unplugged for long periods of time until I need it for chatting with my brother, and leave it plugged for a while and forget about it until things go awry again; when they do, I just curse Apple (or LaCie... If I'm feeling grumpy I curse both :p ), unplug it again, and I'm all set.


PS- No one ever did explain to me how on Tiger, even 10.4.10 why when I shut my computer down instead of turning it off occasionally it would simply kill the GUI and send me to the command line of OS X....not even the folks at the Apple store could explain that one.

Maybe that has to do with some obscure setting in EFI/OpenFirmware? I remember that when had my iMac's logic board replaced for the first time (my iMac G5 is a Rev.A, which was under the Repair Extension Programme, and that time it turned out that the new board was even worse than the original, which luckily started failing four days before the warranty expired and had to be replaced a second time anyway :cool: - when this one inevitably fails too, my iMac will start looking a lot like Swamp Castle :D ), the guys from the authorized service center forgot to toggle some "verbose mode" setting, which made my Mac look a lot like a PC when booting and shutting down, showing the whole process on OS X's rarely seen black & white CLI... When I first saw it I almost panicked, but when I finally figured why it was behaving like that, I got curious about it. I know where Jef Raskin's and SJ's ideas of "hiding" (and sometimes altogether blocking) the technicalities from end-users come from, and still prefer having my iMac show three or four different shades of grey and blue any day of the week to the unholy mess that a BIOS-based PC startup looks like, but it was fun to know a bit more about the inner workings of my computer for a while. ;)

[andy721]

you can express your opinion, but he was commenting on the fact that the updated to OS X have been (and will remain) free! All he was saying is they wont deviate from that, because it would not be smart for them to do otherwise. :D

you don't know that! Apple might just might charge us for updates later down the road. They seem to like over pricing everything still. Smarts

[EagerDragon]

Given that TM use of AirDisk when using the AEBS is not supported by Apple:

Do you think that Apple will disable it when they release 10.5.3?

Do you think that if not turned off, it will end up getting broken with one of the future updates / patches since Apple is not testing it to ensure no damage is done to the feature given that it is not supported?

Do you think Apple will clean it up, make it work as well as TC and start supporting it?

Just wondering, since 10.5.3 will be here soon.

Hey Arn, how about a poll? This affects a lot of users and they are very vocal.

[Stike]

The system HDD suffered complete deletion (kernel panic while partitioning for Boot Camp).

A Time Machine backup was available, however, since I heard about problems with Aperture I saved the Aperture Vault file on another disk, excluded from the Time Machine backup.

I restored the system using Time Machine - and then restored the Aperture Library using Aperture and the vault file.

The result: ALL external photos ended up being NOT connected! Even though the system HDD even had the same name and all that... yet, all connections lost :(

Instead of going through the hassle of connecting 22,000 photos, I created a whole new library... :(

[g-7]

I hope they fix Intel Mac mini mouse freezing problem after logging out.
It's about time, restarting is not funny.

[PMR]

Parallels is ok but VMWare Fusion is much better.

Holy crap, you are only missing two macs! :eek:

[macrem]

Does anyone know if 10.5.3 will have the ability to restore pre-10.5.2 menu translucency (not the menu bar)?

A lot of people complained about taking away translucency and a poll on this forum shows users preferring the more translucent pre-10.5.2 menus by a wide margin.

IMO translucency should at least be an option in 10.5.3, as is the 10.5.2 menu bar. At the very least, Apple could enable a backdoor way to change it back (e.g., CLI command), so users are not resorting to binary file hacks. I am using a hack now to restore translucency.

[vansouza]

Does anyone know if 10.5.3 will have the ability to restore pre-10.5.2 menu translucency (not the menu bar)?

A lot of people complained about taking away translucency and a poll on this forum shows users preferring the more translucent pre-10.5.2 menus by a wide margin.

IMO translucency should at least be an option in 10.5.3, as is the 10.5.2 menu bar. At the very least, Apple could enable a backdoor way to change it back (e.g., CLI command), so users are not resorting to binary file hacks. I am using a hack now to restore translucency.

That would be nice; I did not realize it was gone but do want it back.

[Stridder44]

Does anyone know if 10.5.3 will have the ability to restore pre-10.5.2 menu translucency (not the menu bar)?

A lot of people complained about taking away translucency and a poll on this forum shows users preferring the more translucent pre-10.5.2 menus by a wide margin.

IMO translucency should at least be an option in 10.5.3, as is the 10.5.2 menu bar. At the very least, Apple could enable a backdoor way to change it back (e.g., CLI command), so users are not resorting to binary file hacks. I am using a hack now to restore translucency.


I wish OS X gave us a few more UI options other than "blue" and "graphite" (which don't even do much). And yes, some more transparency would be awesome. I donno, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but the Vista UI-transparency thing (areo glass?) looks badass. I think OS X would look pretty badass too if it had some kind of option like this.

[iBug2]

I wish OS X gave us a few more UI options other than "blue" and "graphite" (which don't even do much). And yes, some more transparency would be awesome. I donno, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but the Vista UI-transparency thing (areo glass?) looks badass. I think OS X would look pretty badass too if it had some kind of option like this.

No there are no changes in preferences to translucency. And there's a new build now D20 with several new fixes.

[walnuts]

Is there any mention of 10.5.3 fixing/attempting to fix anything regarding connecting to windows servers? Any samba fixes, fixes for authenticating with windows servers, fixes for samba packet signing?

A number of people are having trouble writing to windows servers:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=467622

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1425033&tstart=0

The only "solution" thusfar is to reduce security on the windows server! It would be really nice to get this fixed.

[uburoibob]

I can only pray that if finally fixes the problems with Adobe CS3 apps - InDesign in particular. That has been a REAL nightmare!
:o

Bob

[cbrain]

I can only pray that if finally fixes the problems with Adobe CS3 apps - InDesign in particular. That has been a REAL nightmare!
:o

Bob

I don't know what the problems are but maybe Adobe need to release an update to fix them, not Apple.

[vansouza]

D20 a few days ago and D22 today... could this mean something?

[IT-Pro]

D20 a few days ago and D22 today... could this mean something?

Release within two to three weeks according to sources speaking privately to AppleInsider.

[psychofreak]

I wish OS X gave us a few more UI options other than "blue" and "graphite" (which don't even do much)If you want a more "graphite" look, I recommend this the theme I use:

http://macthemes2.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=16784326&p=1

[ki2594]

for me personally, leopard has been great for me on my new macbook. Nothing really wrong at all after about 18 days of using it. If they do add stuff it'd be great and if they are some how able to make it even faster that would be goood as well. It already is way faster than anything i've ever used.(it deff. shuts down faster than tiger). But overall its been a great experience.