Has anyone actually placed an order for a Psystar?

[lugesm]

The web site is working. Just wondered if they are actually shipping anything other than promises.

[Tallest Skil]

The first person who does should get banned.:D I'm joking, of course.

OR AM I.

It might be neat to pick one up in three years when they're $75 on eBay.

[rolex54]

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I think it would be cool to get one
but I wouldn't want to deal with all of the problems that would likely arise

[lugesm]

I would be surprised if any hardware ever ships.

[mrgreen4242]

I'll wait until they're actually shipping and maybe a little cheaper and grab one for the wife (who is still using an old Dell)... I'll likely put 10.4.11 on it to reduce the issues with updating, etc. (Then again, could you buy an Intel/UB Tiger disc retail ever? On the other hand, my iMac came with 10.4, and I bought 10.5 with a full license, so in theory I have an available 10.4 license)...

[lugesm]

On the other hand, my iMac came with 10.4, and I bought 10.5 with a full license, so in theory I have an available 10.4 license)...

Is that true? I bought an iMac in September of last year with 10.4, then bought the 10.5 disk when it came out. Could I use 10.4 on different hardware . . . . legally?

If these Psystar machines were legal I would buy one just to play with. BUT, I would never use one as my primary computing machine; that job will only be trusted to my iMac.

[rolex54]

Is that true? I bought an iMac in September of last year with 10.4, then bought the 10.5 disk when it came out. Could I use 10.4 on different hardware . . . . legally?

If these Psystar machines were legal I would buy one just to play with. BUT, I would never use one as my primary computing machine; that job will only be trusted to my iMac. the legality could be questionable but if you only have one computer running on 1 license at 1 time than you should be okay

[SuperCompu2]

I, for one, am very curious about these machines. I wonder if this will begin another clone battle, and if more reputable retailers might follow suit (Acer, Averatec, etc.)

Updates are Apple's #1 defense against such clones, and I believe there will soon be some other hardware deterrent to discourage non-apple rigs from running OS X. But, for now, I think it's ability to run the current release of OS X is marvelous for those not yet prepared to lose the ability to upgrade while keeping their wallets semi-fat.

[docprego]

I, for one, am very curious about these machines. I wonder if this will begin another clone battle, and if more reputable retailers might follow suit (Acer, Averatec, etc.)

Updates are Apple's #1 defense against such clones, and I believe there will soon be some other hardware deterrent to discourage non-apple rigs from running OS X. But, for now, I think it's ability to run the current release of OS X is marvelous for those not yet prepared to lose the ability to upgrade while keeping their wallets semi-fat.

This is not another clone battle. Back then clones were officially endorsed by Apple, this is the complete opposite. None of the companies you mentioned would ever pull what this company has. Look at Dell, Michael Dell has been asking Apple to license (note the word license) OS X to put on Dell machines for years. It hasn't happened yet, and I wouldn't ever expect it to.

[ReanimationLP]

I, for one, am very curious about these machines. I wonder if this will begin another clone battle, and if more reputable retailers might follow suit (Acer, Averatec, etc.)

Updates are Apple's #1 defense against such clones, and I believe there will soon be some other hardware deterrent to discourage non-apple rigs from running OS X. But, for now, I think it's ability to run the current release of OS X is marvelous for those not yet prepared to lose the ability to upgrade while keeping their wallets semi-fat.

Yeah, but the good folks in the OSX86 scene have figured out ways to use the vanilla kernel and an EFI emulator, with a Core 2 processor, updates dont break the box anymore.

[stainlessliquid]

Its not possible for Apple to add anymore protection to OS X without breaking current macs. They would have done this already, OSx86 has been around since the first intel developer machines were released for testing. The hackers know what it will take to break their workarounds, and they know that doing this will screw up real macs as well.

If they do start seriously selling these things then I imagine the backorder will be insane.

[kkat69]

(Then again, could you buy an Intel/UB Tiger disc retail ever? On the other hand, my iMac came with 10.4, and I bought 10.5 with a full license, so in theory I have an available 10.4 license)...

The disks that came with your Intel Mac will only install on an Intel Mac AND only install on the 'type' of machine that the disks came with.

And Apple never sold a 10.4 Intell (only PPC) to the best of my knowledge.

Is that true? I bought an iMac in September of last year with 10.4, then bought the 10.5 disk when it came out. Could I use 10.4 on different hardware . . . . legally?

It's not a matter of legality, it's a matter of compatibility. See above statement.
To get an Intel copy of 10.4 that will install you'd have to get a modded iso from a torrent site.


Its not possible for Apple to add anymore protection to OS X without breaking current macs.

Not true. The could go the MS way of legitimizing the OS. Requiring online validation of CD Keys and getting an Auth key much like installing Windows. This is something Mac users were grateful for Apple not doing.

They could if they wanted to (and it might stir up a few users) put into place said validation and if a non Apple branded machine was used, it would return a "Sorry, buy a damn Mac you moron!" and not auth the installation. Of course hackers would find a way around that as they do with Windows.

So it wouldn't break the current Macs, but would cripple the clones.

Frankly IMO if thats what they had to do, then by all means do it. Flame me if you wish but OS X was built for Apple computers. The same can be said for OS's that only ran on SPARC processors (unix). I owned a hackintosh at one time to get familiar with OS X before I bought my iMac, I'll admit it. Then took it off once I bought my iMac. I gotta tell you it was hell getting it set up.

OS X was built for Macs, let it be. Otherwise bring back the PPC processors then there wouldn't be any problem of clones.

[Bobdude161]

I just put 2147 (the max I could order) of the highest spec OpenPros in my cart, made an account, selected my shipping and exited during the payment method. See what they do when they see that order on hold. :p

[kkat69]

I just put 2147 (the max I could order) of the highest spec OpenPros in my cart, made an account, selected my shipping and exited during the payment method. See what they do when they see that order on hold. :p

Remind me not to piss you off :D EVIL!!!!!












I LIKE IT! :D:D:D:D:D:D

[mrwizardno2]

I just put 2147 (the max I could order) of the highest spec OpenPros in my cart, made an account, selected my shipping and exited during the payment method. See what they do when they see that order on hold. :p

Honestly I think it's retarded. Get a damn life. And to think, someone actually thought this was a good idea? You talk about elitism here, like because you own a true Macintosh you're better - but yet you do childish crap like this.

Real mature :rolleyes:

[lugesm]

Probably the first order was placed by an agent working for Apple. :rolleyes:

[Santa Rosa]

The first person that posts that they have one of these or even worse does an unboxing gallery Im going to report!!! lol

Actually I cant wait until someone does an unboxing. Im going to rip them and then report them. Fun for all I say, fun for all....

[mrwizardno2]

The first person that posts that they have one of these or even worse does an unboxing gallery Im going to report!!! lol

Actually I cant wait until someone does an unboxing. Im going to rip them and then report them. Fun for all I say, fun for all....

And you think this is going to do what? Make you look like a jacka**, is what it will do. They paid money for a product -- they BOUGHT a machine, and for doing so you think they need to be banned?

Wow. Got some real nice folks in here.

[Sky Blue]

I've ordered one, now let's see if it actually goes through :p

[Santa Rosa]

And you think this is going to do what? Make you look like a jacka**, is what it will do. They paid money for a product -- they BOUGHT a machine, and for doing so you think they need to be banned?

Wow. Got some real nice folks in here.

Yea some real nice folk, im sure your just the epitome of perfectness though arent you?

[mrwizardno2]

Yea some real nice folk, im sure your just the epitome of perfectness though arent you?

I know, tell me about it :D

[mogzieee]

I haven't and have no plans to. A Mac isn't a Mac without the Apple logo.

[Santa Rosa]

I haven't and have no plans to. A Mac isn't a Mac without the Apple logo.

Someone else with some common sense. Even though apparently we are being shafted severly buying into the whole Apple thing, like before the Open Mac arrived it was ok, now there is some strange alternative we are all instantly being shafted. What on earth....

[kkat69]

Honestly I think it's retarded. Get a damn life. And to think, someone actually thought this was a good idea? You talk about elitism here, like because you own a true Macintosh you're better - but yet you do childish crap like this.

Real mature :rolleyes:

...im sure your just the epitome of perfectness though arent you?

I use the above post to respond to the above post.

Someone else with some common sense. Even though apparently we are being shafted severly buying into the whole Apple thing, like before the Open Mac arrived it was ok, now there is some strange alternative we are all instantly being shafted. What on earth....

I never felt I got shafted paying the price I did for a Mac either with my iMac or my MB. I look at them as investments. They have better resale value than say a Dell 1501. That's just my opinion. Besides, we have only ourselves to blame for buying them. No one held a gun to our head let alone Apple and said "buy this!" we bought it. We can't say we were shafted when we willingly shelled out the money. If we honestly felt the price was to high, we would have bought something else. If someone felt it was to high and handed money over calling Apple overpriced bastards, well that person is a flat out idiot.

I bought a Mac, I spent the money, and DAMMIT I'm proud and happy I did. Sure my checkbook isn't happy, but dammit it's mine :D

Honestly I couldn't say I use OS X unless it was with a real Mac, anything else would be "I'm a hacker"

[mrwizardno2]

To each his own. I like the idea of running OS X on cheaper hardware. I just want to know why you're fighting so hard to put more of your money in someone else's pocket - and why you seem to think that because you do, everyone else has to as well.

[ZenErik]

If these get decent reviews, I will buy one in the future.

[Santa Rosa]

I use the above post to respond with the above post.

Nicely done, nicely done.

[lugesm]

I've ordered one, now let's see if it actually goes through :p

Please post your thoughts/impressions/experience when you get it.

Thanks

[Santa Rosa]

Please post your thoughts/impressions/experience when you get it.

Thanks

Dont think they are being serious...

[Sky Blue]

Dont think they are being serious...

Why not ? I'm being completely serious. however, I don't expect to actually receive it, I'm sure Apple will step in before they ship them out.

[Santa Rosa]

Why not ? I'm being completely serious. however, I don't expect to actually receive it, I'm sure Apple will step in before they ship them out.

Fair play then, you did, took it from this :p you were playing.

To be honest if you get it I think you've just flushed your cash down the tube.

[Sky Blue]

Fair play then, you did, took it from this :p you were playing.

To be honest if you get it I think you've just flushed your cash down the tube.

Sorry, the :p was for Apple, who'll probably step in and shut them down.

[mrwizardno2]

Fair play then, you did, took it from this :p you were playing.

To be honest if you get it I think you've just flushed your cash down the tube.

Just thought I'd highlight the key words here.

I'm excited to see if you get it and what it's like. Do keep us informed!

[Santa Rosa]

Just thought I'd highlight the key words here.

Maybe I will just highlight the fact that Im obviously not thinking or commenting on behalf of anyone else hence what are you on about?????

[flopticalcube]

Why not ? I'm being completely serious. however, I don't expect to actually receive it, I'm sure Apple will step in before they ship them out.
When you ordered was the website using SSL for the payment info screen? Someone else reported that he could find no SSL sessions when trying to order.

[Santa Rosa]

and now we're unveiling our new machine: the OpenPro.

That was quick.

good choices You can still get an OpenPro with Leopard preinstalled


Notice the use of the word still.

[kkat69]

For those thinking of buying from these guys, this may be interesting reading.... hmmm I smell 'Deals2Buy.com'

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/04/15/so_exactly_who_or_what_is_psystar_we_dig_a_little.html

[Santa Rosa]

I think this really says it all:

But forgive me for being a bit sceptical, but isn't it far, far more important whether the company has been around, has a reputation, and is going to deliver a machine? Isn't it?

[aristobrat]

For those thinking of buying from these guys, this may be interesting reading.... hmmm I smell 'Deals2Buy.com'

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/04/15/so_exactly_who_or_what_is_psystar_we_dig_a_little.html
And now they're not accepting orders because they can't process credit cards?

http://www.psystar.com/shop.html

[kkat69]

And now they're not accepting orders because they can't process credit cards?

http://www.psystar.com/shop.html

Anyone else looked at that link I provided and read the comments? Especially the Florida corporate filing? No state tax number, registered address are all the same which leads to some house in a suburb. This was verified by a relative who lives in the area.

I asked them to drive around and look at the address. I was going to ask them to knock on the house and say "I'm looking for Psystar, I'd like a computer" but he said that might provoke something if it was true.

[mc3s]

Please note that installing Tiger on a Hackintosh and installing Leopard are two different beasts. I personally would NOT recommend going the Tiger route. The updates that come down for Leopard may require you to spend some time in Terminal but it is still the much easier and most compatible route.

[kkat69]

It also seems that Psystar is in violation of the license for the EFI emulator, which specifically doesn't allow commercial distribution. There is an article at www.theregister.com about that:

Adding this to several other Psystar Threads.

Here's the link to the actual articles:

The Registers Article
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/04/16/hacker_slams_mac_cloner/

EFI V8's authors blog
http://netkas.org/?p=62

Edit:

The plot thickens, Psystar may not have been a real company to begin with!
http://gizmodo.com/380488/psystar-exposed-looks-like-a-hoax

Hmmmm

Edit:
So not only do we have shady ordering system (non-secure), inability to accept credit cards or some error (clearly falls in line with shady ordering system), funky street address, violating one EULA, and now violating and flat out stealing from another user.

Are they going to challange the author of the EFI V8 Emulator now? Are they going to use the Honda example to bypass this violation as well?

Something smells like a MySpace teenager who sees this as a joke and is getting a good laugh.

I hope for someone else's sake no CC number/info was given to these guys. But if you feel freaky, by all means hand over your "Name as it appears on your CC", CC number, Exp Date, and security number, billing address, all that good info. No ones stopping you.

[soms]

How funny would this be if it was just an elaborate data-mining scheme?:p

[kkat69]

***Update***

http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=standards_and_legal_issues&articleId=9078198&taxonomyId=146

Note the paragraph:

A man who answered the phone at CottonImages said there were two other businesses at the 10481 NW 28th St. address, but PsyStar, or any other computer company, is not among them. "I don't know how they got this address," said the spokesman, who declined to give his name.

After a brief hold, he returned and said he had been told to refer all questions about PsyStar to the same e-mail address the Mac clone maker has been handing out. The spokesman flatly denied any link between CottonImages and PsyStar.