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blakespot
May 8, 2002, 09:07 AM
Apple has released their new version of iPhoto, v1.1.1, which can be downloaded from the iPhoto product page (http://www.apple.com/iphoto/). Some new features in this version:
<ul><li>Adjust brightness and contrast
<li>E-mail photos easily
<li>Set desktop background image
<li>Import from PhotoCD or PictureCD
<li>Improved printer templates
<li>Display EXIF photo data
<li>etc...</ul>
Brightness and contrast adjustment is great, but if only Apple would implement a Photoshop-like "auto levels", "auto contrast", or "auto color" then those serious about image quality on the printout could take Photoshop out of the loop.

Backtothemac
May 8, 2002, 09:12 AM
Yahoo! Well, I guess that I am lucky that the 1.1 update did not fry my system. Thanks God, I thank you for that one. :eek:

McFreggle
May 8, 2002, 09:16 AM
Hehe... I was just a bit quicker to post the news on the software forum... ;-)

Feels good to have a - dang how do you call it in English - primer? ("primeur" in Dutch -- hot news)

k.

MM2270
May 8, 2002, 09:30 AM
On the thought of taking Photoshop out of the loop, I'd just like to comment on a very cool (and free) application called PixelNhance, from Caffeine Software. They recently released an update for it on VersionTracker. I gave it a try, and all I can say is that it is now the chosen app for editing my photos from iPhoto (and I have Photoshop 7!!)

It does a spectacular job of doing some nice instantly previewable modifications to photos, including a levels like control, brightness/contrast, color alterations, saturation control, sharpness and noise controls, and other stuss I'm prolly forgetting. all of these are completely controllable by the user. Every "panel" has a reset and apply button, so you can choose when the effect is right.

Now, granted, this applies the alterations to the entire image, so if you need to edit only a portion of the shot, you'll still need something liek Photoshop or Graphic Converter. You can also choose to use iPhoto's built-in stuff for things like cropping and red-eye reduction, which PixelNhance doesn't do.

Overall though, PixelNhance is a great app, and it's free to boot! Definitely give it a look. I was pleasantly surprised!

gopher
May 8, 2002, 09:45 AM
http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=11559&db=mac

Geert
May 8, 2002, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by McFreggle
Hehe... I was just a bit quicker to post the news on the software forum... ;-)

Feels good to have a - dang how do you call it in English - primer? ("primeur" in Dutch -- hot news)

k.

Hey Mcfreggle, nice to know that there are other belgian members.

Greets,
Geert.

ntg
May 8, 2002, 09:55 AM
...but the whole point of iPhoto is that it's ready-installed on a new computer for new users, and based on what I've tried of 1.1.1 I'll be upgrading my Dad's computer (B&W G3-400) asap! As per a British ad, "It does what it says on the tin!":)

blakespot
May 8, 2002, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by MM2270
On the thought of taking Photoshop out of the loop, I'd just like to comment on a very cool (and free) application called PixelNhance, from Caffeine Software. They recently released an update for it on VersionTracker. I gave it a try, and all I can say is that it is now the chosen app for editing my photos from iPhoto (and I have Photoshop 7!!)

It does a spectacular job of doing some nice instantly previewable modifications to photos, including a levels like control, brightness/contrast, color alterations, saturation control, sharpness and noise controls, and other stuss I'm prolly forgetting. all of these are completely controllable by the user. Every "panel" has a reset and apply button, so you can choose when the effect is right.

Now, granted, this applies the alterations to the entire image, so if you need to edit only a portion of the shot, you'll still need something liek Photoshop or Graphic Converter. You can also choose to use iPhoto's built-in stuff for things like cropping and red-eye reduction, which PixelNhance doesn't do.

Overall though, PixelNhance is a great app, and it's free to boot! Definitely give it a look. I was pleasantly surprised!
I have PS7 as well as PixelNHance. I actually do prefer the latter for adjusting levels by hand---it seems to give me better results than Photoshop. Very impressive. BUT---in most cases I need not adjust levels by hand, PS's "auto levels/color/contrast" will do it for me. And as far as I can see, PixelNHance does not have a "I'll give it my best shot" option---you need to do it by hand.

Still, my goal is to get any other app out of the way. I'd like to be able to do those levels within iPhoto and print there. I will be happy when/if that comes about. As for now, I would never commit to paper an image that had not had an auto levels/contrast/color adjustment---it will almost certainly look better after that processing.



blakespot

peterjhill
May 8, 2002, 10:18 AM
I am curious as to whether my Viking CF PC Card Adapter (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000J3SA/102-9576570-5580157) will work automagically or not. It is not listed on the Apple web site, but for a Powerbook, I'd much rather use a PC Card adapter than something external.

Mr. Anderson
May 8, 2002, 10:25 AM
Better, I like it, but I would like to see some more tools for editing. Its nice to have it all in one ap, not having to open up Photoshop. Maybe in 1.2.

Xapplimatic
May 8, 2002, 10:35 AM
I seriously doubt that at this point Apple is going to undermine their new success and pit themselves further against premier developers like Adobe. They've already done a good job of that with FCP and the coming Shake X app.. If Apple does too much software development it will leave them in the position of being the sole major app developer for Mac, and I don't think they would want to go there.. it would stagnate the Mac market and put all the current developers over to Windows only development again..

iPhoto is a photo management, not really a photo editing application. The simple editing tools are a courtesy (just enough to make images from a digital camera presentable), but I doubt you'll see any new editing enhancements in the arena of photoshop features. After all, iPhoto is an iApp.. and the iApps aren't for professional use.. if Apple's gonna go there, they'll release something called Photo Studio Pro or something like that if they keep their destinct naming conventions.

johnpaul191
May 8, 2002, 10:42 AM
for version 1.1 i'm pretty happy. i still will need photoshop for some editing, but to me the major bonus of having iphoto is the organization of my pictures. i had random folders of photos that were not always sorted properly. it's an i-app. it's not meant to be a photoshop killer. i can see it keeping people from installing Adobe's Photo Deluxe (photo editing software often bundled with scanners and digi cams). the organization, editing, printing, slideshow, webpage publishing and bound photo album features of iphoto just make it an application with no equal that i know of.

eric_n_dfw
May 8, 2002, 10:48 AM
This is a wonderfull update, but when the hell are they going to get scanner support into this thing. Heck, when will it be a standard part of OS X?

My father-in-law (whom I've spoken of here before - he's very computer illiterate) got a great deal on a Canon n1240u scanner and even got the classic software installed by himself, but is having a bugger of a time figuring out how to even just print from whatever software they gave him. (Not to mention how to send a picture via email)
I haven't had time to sit on the phone and walk him through anything (he's 1500 miles away), but that's why he bought the iMac in the first place!

Come on Apple, either light a fire under the scanner manufacturers butts or licence technology from that Hamrick software guy or something. OS X is over 1 year old and there is next-to-no scanner support!!! This is a huge hole in the digital hub!

240vac
May 8, 2002, 10:55 AM
It just destroyed my entire photo Album!

Longey Nowze
May 8, 2002, 10:56 AM
I don't think apple should kick photoshop out of the loop!! that would really make adobe angry!!!! isn't adobe one of their best partners?? I think Apple doesn't want to make iPhoto too good just good enough... Apple doesn't want people to stop buying PhotoShop if that happens Adobe might stop making it!!


THANK YOU
MaT

P.S. I'm mostly a reader not a poster

eyelikeart
May 8, 2002, 11:00 AM
iPhoto cannot hold a candle to Photoshop...no way!!!

I'm downloading it right now....25 MB?! :rolleyes: ;)

robotrenegade
May 8, 2002, 11:15 AM
Replace Adobe Photoshop! I think not. PS is a way better program. iphoto is just for new computer users. It's a nice program don't get me wrong, but in no way will it replace PS.

GeorgeC97
May 8, 2002, 11:25 AM
hey everyone -

I am going to buy my ibook (hopefully) very soon - once the new revision comes out -

I just read above that iphoto "you can email pictures easily."

anyone know how? or is it easily to other Mac iPhoto users. Come to think of it, 99% of my friends at school and family use PC.
(I know I'll get toasted for asking about this)

thoughts?

thanks

blakespot
May 8, 2002, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Longey Nowze
I don't think apple should kick photoshop out of the loop!! that would really make adobe angry!!!! isn't adobe one of their best partners?? I think Apple doesn't want to make iPhoto too good just good enough... Apple doesn't want people to stop buying PhotoShop if that happens Adobe might stop making it!!

Out of the loop in the process of importing images into iPhoto -> printing. Clearly iPhoto is not competition for PS. I just wish I did not need to go to a 3rd party app to get a quick auto levels before printing. I use PS all the time.


blakespot

Backtothemac
May 8, 2002, 12:35 PM
Hey under printing it has the option to print more than one picture per page, but it is greyed out on mine?

Anyone have info on this option?

Nevermind. You have to select more than one photo to do this. Great addition to the software though.

Longey Nowze
May 8, 2002, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by GeorgeC97
hey everyone -

I am going to buy my ibook (hopefully) very soon - once the new revision comes out -

I just read above that iphoto "you can email pictures easily."

anyone know how? or is it easily to other Mac iPhoto users. Come to think of it, 99% of my friends at school and family use PC.
(I know I'll get toasted for asking about this)

thoughts?

thanks

I'm sure you can send pics to PCs too.. I think it just meant that you can easily attach photos to emails... you know... make them small enough so they wont take long to up/download and stuff like that... a prog came with my canon that did that stuff it converts the pictures to JPEG and it changed its size and quality then it attaches it to your default email application...

THANK YOU
MaT

MacUser1
May 8, 2002, 12:39 PM
hey GeorgeC97

i just used iPhoto 1.1 and sent some pics to my friends in the dorm (most use windows) and it worked fine

sjs
May 8, 2002, 02:01 PM
mm2270
Thanks for the review of PixelNHance by Caffeine software. I have mentioned it several times in these forums, everytime someone whined about iPhoto or Photoshop (pre X). No one ever seemed to respond that they had tried it. You are so right...it is excellent. If it hasn't already been mentioned, PNH integrates with iPhoto so that when you click on the photo you want to edit, PNH opens the edit function seamlessly.

Its great and its free!

Timothy
May 8, 2002, 03:18 PM
What other features would others like to see in iPhoto? Here's a short list I have...

1) Sub-Albums in Photo Albums. Why do I need 15 albums about my kid, when I could have one master album, and 14 sub-albums.

2) Hot-button keyword assign during slide show. I take a lot of pics. The best way to preview the pics is by the slideshow. It would be great to be able to "tag" a photo with a keyword during the slide show.

3) Email via "entourage" and not just the Apple Mail program.

4) Archive Albums/Rolls to CD or other drives (with location recall).

5) Locked/Hidden photo albums.

That's a start...

Note: made edit to change "outlook" to "entourage" since that is what I really meant. ;)

jelloshotsrule
May 8, 2002, 03:34 PM
those sound like pretty good ideas timothy...

can you send em via entourage? i don't really use iphoto so i haven't tried....


locked/hidden pictures eh? keep those pesky kids away from the porn! haha

ftaok
May 8, 2002, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Timothy
What other features would others like to see in iPhoto? Here's a short list I have...

3) Email via "outlook" and not just the Apple Mail program.

Well, since you said Outlook, I'm assuming that you're using classic for your e-mail??? Anyways, I saw over on Macminute.com, that someone has posted a patch to be able to e-mail directly from iPhoto thru EntourageX.

Check it out.

Wry Cooter
May 8, 2002, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by blakespot

Brightness and contrast adjustment is great, but if only Apple would implement a Photoshop-like "auto levels", "auto contrast", or "auto color" then those serious about image quality on the printout could take Photoshop out of the loop.


Auto Levels would neither automatically please those 'serious about image quality" nor take photoshop out of the loop, for those that need it in the loop.
Normalizing a photo such isn't always instantly the best thing an image needs anyway.

And the purpose of iPhoto is a shoebox, a good filing system, not an editing system. It is probably okay for apple to step on light photomanipulation programs toes a bit, so a lot of snapshotters can get something useable,without having to move to something else, but it shouldn't even attempt to bog down the application with too much image controls.

I'd be happy if simply the placement of the library, and naming of rolls and images were more like iTunes. I don't those concerns have been dressed fully yet, from what I read of 1.1.1.

Leave Adobe in the loop when need be.

Billicus
May 8, 2002, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by 240vac
It just destroyed my entire photo Album! :(

AHEM! :) Well, anyway... Was he talking about 1.1.0 or is this happening to anyone else in 1.1.1?

Mr. Anderson
May 8, 2002, 05:25 PM
I've done the update and had no problem. Everything is still intact, iPhoto just updates the photoalbums.

I do like the contrast and brightness, though, they work better than photoshop because they seem to be optimized for pictures. Not sure how they're doing it, but you really can't get the same levels as in photoshop, so its hard to wash out. Works really well on underexposed photos.

rayzor
May 8, 2002, 05:41 PM
Does anyone know if it is possible to import selected photos from a camera, like you can in image capture?

cleo
May 8, 2002, 06:49 PM
So I decided to finally take the plunge and start using iPhoto. Until now I've been using my awkward-yet-comfortable scheme from my PC days to organize my photos, and I'm getting jealous of everyone who gushes about how easy iPhoto makes it to organize your photos.

SO. I have a coupla questions.

1) Until now I've kept several versions of every photo - the original, a web version, and email version, and a print version (whichever I needed for each photo). Is this possible and/or necessary with iPhoto?

2) Once I've imported all of my originals into iPhoto, is it safe to delete them from my Pictures folder?

3) Going on the advice of the latest Macworld, I'm going to check out PhotoAccess.com for printing (apparently much better than iPhoto's, and Ofoto, which I used to use also scored poorly). Has anyone used PhotoAccess, and if so, what's your opionion?

Yewie
May 8, 2002, 09:12 PM
Digi Photo fan here... and loving iphoto more by the release...

what kind of support does iPhoto offer to EXIF??

I can't even extract the EXIF data... or am I just ignorant.. if someone can help me.. would be great.. cheers!

Geronimo
May 8, 2002, 10:28 PM
I'm with blakespot. iPhoto *definitely* needs to have one button image optimization that attempts to correct color, brightness, saturation, sharpness, etc. Sure, it may not perfect (AutoLevels in PhotoShop isn't), but it would make editing photos so much easier. Funky colors can be a big problem with photos (especially casual photographers who may not know how to set white balance, etc.) and iPhoto should provide all the BASIC tools necessary to make photos presentable. I'm not asking for dodge and burn tools or fancy image manipulation, just that iPhoto give us the abilities present in even those $30 amateur digiphoto apps you can buy off the shelf for Windows PCs.

jelloshotsrule
May 8, 2002, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by cleo
2) Once I've imported all of my originals into iPhoto, is it safe to delete them from my Pictures folder?


good question, i've been wondering that too. after all, it sucks having 2 copies of all the pictures.... if indeed that's what's exactly happening. but they seem a bit poorly organized within iphoto's folder structure, as some folks have complained.

also, blakespot's request for auto levels and such seems reasonable. he's not saying he doesn't want to use photo at all, but for simple printing of pics right away, he wants to have that option, rather than having to go to iphoto, then to photoshop for auto... seems reasonable. not trying to oust photoshop in the least.

Falleron
May 12, 2002, 04:55 AM
I cant seem to get the update! I just get sent a HTML file - no hqx file. Any ideas? Are there any other sources of it?

iMax
May 12, 2002, 11:25 AM
I was just having a thought about Aple's iApps and thier counterparts. Right now we have this sort of table set up:

iMovie ------- Final Cut Pro
iDVD --------- DVD Studio Pro (I think its called, vaguely)
But then we have
iTunes ------- ??????
iPhoto-------- ??????

In that little matrix there are no professional counterparts to those two iApps. A lot of people have been speculating about iPhoto replacing photoshop or such nonsense, but I think it would be much more realistic to speculate about Apple making professional programs in the same way it has for iMovie and iDVD.

Any Thoughts?

Wry Cooter
May 12, 2002, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by iMax
I was just having a thought about Aple's iApps and thier counterparts. Right now we have this sort of table set up:

iMovie ------- Final Cut Pro
iDVD --------- DVD Studio Pro (I think its called, vaguely)
But then we have
iTunes ------- ??????
iPhoto-------- ??????

In that little matrix there are no professional counterparts to those two iApps. A lot of people have been speculating about iPhoto replacing photoshop or such nonsense, but I think it would be much more realistic to speculate about Apple making professional programs in the same way it has for iMovie and iDVD.

Any Thoughts?

You answered your own question... iTunes counterpart > ProTools and all the other myriad pro music apps
iPhotos counterpart > Photoshop, etc...

Apple provided what you are calling the "pro tier" for the video apps, because if they had not, there would be no affordable AND useable solution. Avid (digidesign again) is using a gouge the corporate pro/sumer business model and charging a minimum ten times as much. The low end stuff couldn't provide the quality, as they would probably be too busy chasing wintel to care.

But the consume/create table you are wanting to create, is not really one of apples intent to be carried that far at least. They know creation is important to their consumer base, but they are only filling in existing gaps in the market.
It goes back to the iWalk, iPad whatever rumors, they are more likely to enter the fray when it really isn't being properly taken care of otherwise-- its a bad time to come out with a PDA with their being melded in to cell phones and the market being saturated.

I could imagine some ways, such as with the audio.midi layer, that music creation could be made easier with existing pro apps, and iPhoto is already taking care of helping along the pro photo apps, such as Photoshop. iPhoto is sort of being THE app for some people, who only want to do that much with their photos, and an ADJUNCT app for people needing the power of Photoshop.

blakespot
May 16, 2002, 03:35 PM
It seems that an image enhancement function IS available. Take a look (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020515093858900).



blakespot

Wry Cooter
May 16, 2002, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by blakespot
It seems that an image enhancement function IS available. Take a look (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020515093858900).



You need to use developer tools to pull out that hidden button no?

cleo
May 16, 2002, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Wry Cooter


You need to use developer tools to pull out that hidden button no?

Yep, but they're free! :D I'm going to try it right now. I'll post back how it works.

Backtothemac
May 16, 2002, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by cleo


Yep, but they're free! :D I'm going to try it right now. I'll post back how it works.

Cleo, let us know if it is a B***h or if it is an easy hack. Also, how well does it work with the photos? I wonder why they would disable that?
:confused:

cleo
May 16, 2002, 05:00 PM
OK. Wow, that was a cinch! A guy a MacOSHints.com posted a couple of hints in the discussion that definitely help. I have zero experience using the Interface Builder and did it in about 10 minutes.

"Enhance" seems to do what it says. I wouldn't personally rely on it (PhotoShop should be arriving tomorrow :)) but for fast printing, it seems to do the trick.

I'm putting up a screen shot so you'll believe me. :D
(the picture is of this hilarious auto body shop on US 19 that is shaped like a dinosaur... cracks me up)

GeorgeC97
May 16, 2002, 05:39 PM
hey everyone -


I'm thinking that many consumers want to use iPhoto and iTunes which are both optimized for altivec.... how do these programs work on the G3 (ibook).

is there a difference when you go from the G3 to the G4 when using iPhoto and iTunes.

I'm thinking that word processing and internet and the rest of 'consumer stuff' should mostly be the same right>??

Wry Cooter
May 16, 2002, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by GeorgeC97

I'm thinking that many consumers want to use iPhoto and iTunes which are both optimized for altivec.... how do these programs work on the G3 (ibook).

is there a difference when you go from the G3 to the G4 when using iPhoto and iTunes.

I'm thinking that word processing and internet and the rest of 'consumer stuff' should mostly be the same right>??

I can only speak to altivec with iTunes, which tends to cut ripping time in half on comparitively clocked g3/g4s. iPhoto uses the quartz engine quite a bit, for resizing the thumbnails on the fly mostly, but I don't know if iPhoto or the quartz engine rely on altivec that much, especially for the types of changes that iPhoto allows.

I wouldn't expect much used in iPhoto that isn't already being hit by the os X finder itself, so a g3/g4 comparison in that light might answer your question.