Leopard - As of today - April 27, 2008

[Sdahe]

Well guys...

It's April 27, 2008 and Leopard has been out for some time now. What can you say about it. What is your feedback?....

:apple:

[Chundles]

It's good. Well, today it's good, yesterday it was rubbish.

[motulist]

It's got tons of upsides, but still has a few downsides. It's totally worth upgrading to, however, if you haven't felt the strong desire to upgrade yet then you might as well hang out for another couple of months until they release 10.5.3. That way they'll have ironed out another bunch of the downsides and the copy you buy will probably come with 10.5.3 on the disc as opposed to if you buy it off the shelf today and from what I've heard it will probably have 10.5.0 on it and you'll have to update online to get up to 10.5.2.

[Sdahe]

I had to go back to Tiger because incompatibility with Nikon Capture NX... Now that it's fixe I might return to Leopard again... still thinking about it

Any new updates to Leopard that makes it better...?

[iFizz]

Dunno, still haven't upgraded from Tiger. Wasn't keen on the idea of being an OS beta tester.

[Chundles]

It's got tons of upsides, but still has a few downsides. It's totally worth upgrading to, however, if you haven't felt the strong desire to upgrade yet then you might as well hang out for another couple of months when they release 10.5.3. That way they'll have ironed out another bunch of the downsides and the copy you buy will probably come with 10.5.3 on it as opposed to if you buy it off the shelf today and from what I've heard it will probably have 10.5.0 on it and you'll have to update online to get up to 10.5.2.

Boxed copies should come with 10.5.1 on it. They moved all the boxed copies over to it almost immediately after the .1 update was released. I find it strange that they haven't done it with 10.5.2 considering how big an update it was. They must be waiting for 10.5.3

[Sdahe]

It's got tons of upsides, but still has a few downsides. It's totally worth upgrading to, however, if you haven't felt the strong desire to upgrade yet then you might as well hang out for another couple of months until they release 10.5.3. That way they'll have ironed out another bunch of the downsides and the copy you buy will probably come with 10.5.3 on the disc as opposed to if you buy it off the shelf today and from what I've heard it will probably have 10.5.0 on it and you'll have to update online to get up to 10.5.2.

Well I got Leopard when it came out so the CD that I have is version 10.5.0

I will have to download the updates!!!

[Cassie]

It's OK. I would downgrade to Tiger just for the speed boost, but I don't have the money to buy Tiger. All in all, Leopard is OK, but there's far too much eye candy IMO.

[Sdahe]

It's OK. I would downgrade to Tiger just for the speed boost, but I don't have the money to buy Tiger. All in all, Leopard is OK, but there's far too much eye candy IMO.

Yeap.... the computer runs more smoothly than with Leopard. At least the Dock animations is so smooth in Tiger. When I changed to Apple one of the things that made me love the Mac was the dock animation... it looked so nice... it was like love at first sight!!!!

[Hatchet]

It's amazing to me. But then again, I just left Windows for OSX yesterday! :)

[motulist]

Well I got Leopard when it came out so the CD that I have is version 10.5.0

I will have to download the updates!!!

Wait, you bought a leopard install disc, but you haven't installed it? Why did you buy it back then if you didn't intend on installing it? And what exactly has kept you from installing it before now?

[riscy]

I like it and think it is now much more stable, yes there are a few things still to be resolved, but it is still way a great OS.

[Sdahe]

Wait, you bought a leopard install disc, but you haven't installed it? Why did you buy it back then if you didn't intend on installing it? And what exactly has kept you from installing it before now?

No wait... I did install it. I had to go back to Tiger after because incompatibility with Nikon Capture NX but now I saw that is fixed and I'm thinking to install Leopard again...

[Sdahe]

Can someone tell me how to backup my mail emails so I can use them when I install Leopard... Thanks

[motulist]

When you upgrade to leopard, nothing in your user account is lost. If you want a backup just to be certain, which is a good idea, I believe I heard that the leopard installer allows you to do a time machine backup on your 10.4 tiger machine right before it installs leopard.

[dukebound85]

When you upgrade to leopard, nothing in your user account is lost. If you want a backup just to be certain, which is a good idea, I believe I heard that the leopard installer allows you to do a time machine backup on your 10.4 tiger machine right before it installs leopard.

only if you dont erase and install. if you archive and install you will be fine

i dunno about your last sentence though

[Sdahe]

What if I want to do a clean install...

[TH-Gunner]

Leopard is great. I had it when it was 10.5.1. I went to back to Tiger 2 weeks later because of too many "minor inconveniences." 2 weeks after I was back on Tiger, 10.5.2 came out, so I tried Leopard again. I have since been using it for almost 2 months now. It's very good.

There are things I still liked about Tiger, though. The new features in Leopard make it worth the upgrade, though. I love the Time Machine. I love the calculator and dictionary built into Spotlight. I love Spaces (even though it's inferior to Linux's Workspaces). I love being able to F around with my Dock (3rd party software). I love how it's faster all around. And I love the little things like iCal's Dock icon showing the actual date, even when it's closed.

I kinda miss Tiger's Sidebar, though; I think Tiger's was much superior.

[Sdahe]

Leopard is great. I had it when it was 10.5.1. I went to back to Tiger 2 weeks later because of too many "minor inconveniences." 2 weeks after I was back on Tiger, 10.5.2 came out, so I tried Leopard again. I have since been using it for almost 2 months now. It's very good.

There are things I still liked about Tiger, though. The new features in Leopard make it worth the upgrade, though. I love the Time Machine. I love the calculator and dictionary built into Spotlight. I love Spaces (even though it's inferior to Linux's Workspaces). I love being able to F around with my Dock (3rd party software). I love how it's faster all around. And I love the little things like iCal's Dock icon showing the actual date, even when it's closed.

I kinda miss Tiger's Sidebar, though; I think Tiger's was much superior.

Superior in what?

[iFizz]

I already posted above, but I'm back with comments about the interesting relationship between Leo and Vista.
They both were released before they were finished.
They both did not deliver all the features that were promised.
They both have been slow to get people to upgrade to them.
They both have improved with updates.
At least Apple didn't take 5 years to release Leo... :p

[Cromulent]

They both have been slow to get people to upgrade to them.


Not true. Leopard has had the fastest uptake rate of any version of Mac OS X yet.

[BlakTornado]

if you buy it off the shelf today and from what I've heard it will probably have 10.5.0 on it and you'll have to update online to get up to 10.5.2.

I bought mine online in December and it had 10.5.1 on it.

They both did not deliver all the features that were promised.

Actually, Apple didn't promise the features that are missing (Like being able to create a stack out of a selection of files). It said clearly on the Apple website that "All subject liable to change". That's not promising us features :P

They both have improved with updates.

They're hardly going to get worse :p


Anyway, personally, I feel that Leopard is great. If I went back to Tiger, I wouldn't be able to stand it. I've grown accustomed to how I work with Leopard (using spaces, etc.) and the various features of individual Apps, like Safari and Mail. Plus some of my apps are Leopard only... But, Tiger was marginally faster because it had less to run. I don't have a problem with this. I'm only using 1GB RAM and instead of down grading to tiger, I would upgrade my RAM so that I could run Leopard smoothly :P

I would highly recommend it to anyone who doesn't need an older OS for an application they need. Most of the bugs have been ironed out.

[HLdan]

It's OK. I would downgrade to Tiger just for the speed boost, but I don't have the money to buy Tiger. All in all, Leopard is OK, but there's far too much eye candy IMO.

Cassie, it's amazing you mentioned about Leopard having too much eye candy and you use pink text and your forum pic it a girly heart icon. :D

[QFT Lover]

Cassie, it's amazing you mentioned about Leopard having too much eye candy and you use pink text and your forum pic it a girly heart icon. :D

Ha, ha, that was hilarious. And true.

I just installed Leopard and it's good enough. I've only had time to enjoy/loathe minor details:
LOVE
- Scrolling of non-focused windows
- Speed of spotlight and not having to press down to select first result
- New screensavers
LOATHE
- Non-scrolling of non-focused Firefox (Safari works, but firefox... is firefox)
- Dashboard is more often choppy than before
- Desktop manager is better than Spaces

In general I don't mind it, but I would not install it unless you have some feature that you need or a few hours to kill (I wonder why I installed it if I'm not in either category though...)

[Sdahe]

Hey guys.... help me here please!... How can I backup mi emails from mail so I can use them when I install Leopard again!!!

Thanks

[thechidz]

I love leo... cant live without spaces

[HawaiiMacAddict]

Aloha everyone,

This is a good topic for discussion. I use Tiger and Leopard on a semi-daily basis - I don't get on my PowerMac every day. When I do use it, there are things that sometimes take me a couple of minutes to recognize. The System Preferences icon on the dock, for example, is the old white Apple/light switch, not like the icon in Leopard and on the iPhone.

I also don't have Spaces and Quicklook, two apps I always use daily on my iMac and MacBook Pro. Still, its better than the Redmond alternative, and every day I use my Macs makes me evermore thankful that I switched over in August 2006 :D

HawaiiMacAddict

[GimmeSlack12]

It's OK. I would downgrade to Tiger just for the speed boost, but I don't have the money to buy Tiger. All in all, Leopard is OK, but there's far too much eye candy IMO.

I would imagine you would have Tiger discs with those G3/G4's you have. All in all, I don't think there's much increase in eye candy over Tiger.
I think Leopard was good at release and I find the current state to be pretty darn good.

[iFizz]

Actually, Apple didn't promise the features that are missing (Like being able to create a stack out of a selection of files). It said clearly on the Apple website that "All subject liable to change". That's not promising us features :P
Under that logic, Apple would not be accountable for anything they promise because they always make that disclaimer. By the way, Apple threw out more than just the above listed feature.

They're hardly going to get worse :p
Wrong. It's happened before. I guess you weren't a Mac user in the 90s.

In response to Cromulent, regarding Leo being the fastest to be accepted of all the previous Mac OS upgrades, I'd like to see that statistic in percentage of users upgrading from a previous OS, not total number of upgrades from a previous OS, and not including new sales of the OS. There are many users that can't even run Leo due to older hardware (just like with Vista). Also, many users (myself included) make it a point to always wait several months before upgrading OS. Finally, many users have no need for Leo when Tiger runs all the applications they use. I'd venture to guess many MR users reading this post are doing it with Panther.

You can defend Apple because you are satisfied based on your standards of quality. But all Mac users don't have the same standards of quality as you do. To each their own.

[Concorde Rules]

All good here! :D [Had it since launch day]

[BlakTornado]

Under that logic, Apple would not be accountable for anything they promise because they always make that disclaimer. By the way, Apple threw out more than just the above listed feature.

Exactly :)

That's why it's there :p

And I know they did :P But that's the only one I really remember not being in Leopard.

Wrong. It's happened before. I guess you weren't a Mac user in the 90s.

Well, being only 8 years old when OS X came out, I, too, guess I wasn't :P

[iFizz]

Well, being only 8 years old when OS X came out, I, too, guess I wasn't :P

Nothing wrong with you being young.

[QuantumLo0p]

Bought Leopard for $80.

There is not much that makes me say "WOW!" but there are many new smaller features that I find are worth the upgrade.

[allan.nyholm]

Hey guys.... help me here please!... How can I backup mi emails from mail so I can use them when I install Leopard again!!!

Thanks

Inside either your ~/Library or /Library folder there's a Mail folder that contains the .mbox's. Those should contain your Mail contents. I've done it a few times while installing Tiger over again. I doubt it's any different with Leopard.

You can import these mbox's into Mail's Leopard by choosing File->Import Mailboxes. I think you have to select the folder for the account in which the .mbox's lie.

Just take the Mail folder and copy it to an USB stick or zip it and upload it to MediaFire or similar so that you can retrieve it again.

I hope this makes sense.

[Sdahe]

Inside either your ~/Library or /Library folder there's a Mail folder that contains the .mbox's. Those should contain your Mail contents. I've done it a few times while installing Tiger over again. I doubt it's any different with Leopard.

You can import these mbox's into Mail's Leopard by choosing File->Import Mailboxes. I think you have to select the folder for the account in which the .mbox's lie.

Just take the Mail folder and copy it to an USB stick or zip it and upload it to MediaFire or similar so that you can retrieve it again.

I hope this makes sense.

Hey thank you very much!!!

[Sky Blue]

I love Leopard, we're rolling it out at our company and everybody is enjoying it so far.

[Dimwhit]

I've loved Leopard since the day it was released, and I've never had problems with it.

It has features I could no longer live without, too, so I'd never consider a switch back to Tiger.

[rychencop]

it's awesome! it has some problems, but at least apple is busting a$$ trying to fix them.

[Sdahe]

So how much you guys think that Leopard would be all fix up

[GimmeSlack12]

So how much you guys think that Leopard would be all fix up

What do you mean? I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

[ingenious]

What do you mean? I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

Me either. In fact, 10.5.0 was good for me, too. It had some rough edges, but all-in-all, it was fine.

[Sdahe]

What do you mean? I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

Well, I remember when Leopard came out... everybody was waiting for the famous update so it could fix a lot of issues. Now they are talking about another big update that will fix other things pending...

[iFizz]

Well, I remember when Leopard came out... everybody was waiting for the famous update so it could fix a lot of issues. Now they are talking about another big update that will fix other things pending...

I know what you're asking. You have to remember there are two types of users for OSX. There's the user that doesn't really mind if there are occasional bugs, beach balls, and crashes. Then there's the user that needs a very stable platform that will not crash, not freeze...something that's tried and true.
So, that's why you have received two opinions here (and probably elsewhere) about Leopard.

[jmsait19]

Well... I hate the new iCal. I think it is a step-backwards...

Other than that, if you are running a 64-bit processor, I think you'll notice a big speed improvement... Maybe it's just because I started with a fresh install and was comparing to my install that was older, but it felt like Leopard was significantly faster than Tiger on my MBP...

I'm satisfied. But like the above poster said, some may not be for those reasons. I get the Safari crashes and stuff everyone once in a while, but I'm pretty stable overall.

[Sdahe]

Now that I know that Nikon Capture NX fix the problem with Leopard I was thinking on going back to Leopard but I keep asking myself one thing. Why should I go to Leopard if my computer is working fine with Tiger... Hummmmm!!!!!... Why?

[TH-Gunner]

Well... I hate the new iCal. I think it is a step-backwards...

Agreed.

Other than that, if you are running a 64-bit processor, I think you'll notice a big speed improvement... Maybe it's just because I started with a fresh install and was comparing to my install that was older, but it felt like Leopard was significantly faster than Tiger on my MBP...

Agreed.

[HawaiiMacAddict]

Aloha again everyone,

I forgot to add the most important thing about Leopard, at least for me. I was one of the "early adopters" of the iPhone, and while I was not one of the whiners who complained about the $200 price drop (actually I still feel that Apple didn't owe me anything), I took their $100 credit. It was applied towards Leopard which, combined with my military discount, seriously lowered the purchase price :D Sometimes, the stars just align perfectly, or something like that.

HawaiiMacAddict

[Dimwhit]

I know what you're asking. You have to remember there are two types of users for OSX. There's the user that doesn't really mind if there are occasional bugs, beach balls, and crashes. Then there's the user that needs a very stable platform that will not crash, not freeze...something that's tried and true.

Three types of users. There are those of us who never experienced instability with Leopard and have used it well from the beginning, and loved it. As an example, I've never experienced a single crash with Safari.

[brad.c]

Personally, I can't say the Leopard is any buggier than Tiger was at the 10.4.2 stage. Certainly not buggy enough to want to go back.

Considering I'll toss the Retail Tiger DVD into the box for the G4 I'm Craigslisting in the next week, I'm committing myself permanently.

[iFizz]

Three types of users. There are those of us who never experienced instability with Leopard and have used it well from the beginning, and loved it. As an example, I've never experienced a single crash with Safari.

Good for you! You are obviously a part of a very small group. I'm sure we can think up 3 or 4 other types of users too, each with a small percentage of people. The 2 groups I described are the vast majority. Cheers.

[Dimwhit]

Good for you! You are obviously a part of a very small group. I'm sure we can think up 3 or 4 other types of users too, each with a small percentage of people. The 2 groups I described are the vast majority. Cheers.

Well, I disagree with you. I think the vast majority of users (maybe not 'vast' but majority anyway) fall in my group. You just only hear from your 2 groups on this site the most because this is where people go to bitch or get problems solved.

[nineteentwelve]

Well... I hate the new iCal. I think it is a step-backwards...

While I don't hate the new iCal, it no longer suits my needs. I've started to use Google Calendar now, and find that it is absolutely brilliant for my 'day to day calendaring needs'. I then sync Google Calendar with iCal so my devices can then share said 'day to day calendaring'. When I get an iPhone it will be even better because then I can input my 'day to day calendaring' on the iPhone, which in turn will sync with iCal and then sync with Google Calendar.

Aside from iCal being somewhat of a let down, I thought I would be using Spaces more than I don't. Stacks and Quick Look though have become indispensable to me. I can't imagine going back to Tiger and tapping space bar to see nothing come up.

[iFizz]

Well, I disagree with you. I think the vast majority of users (maybe not 'vast' but majority anyway) fall in my group. You just only hear from your 2 groups on this site the most because this is where people go to bitch or get problems solved.

You could be right. How would one know for sure though?

[GimmeSlack12]

Now they are talking about another big update that will fix other things pending...

Yeah, Like What? Let's get the over generalizations out of the way for goodness sakes! Everyone that 'has issues/problems' never says what they are. And when they do they mention my 'intermediate non-active third browser window has a memory leak' kind of thing that is as ridiculous sounding as you'd think.

[Halsey12]

Spaces functions terribly when switching spaces and programs with Adobe CS3. Time Machine still hangs frequently on "preparing" and freezes everything up. Otherwise, I have no other complaints.

[Sdahe]

Yeah, Like What? Let's get the over generalizations out of the way for goodness sakes! Everyone that 'has issues/problems' never says what they are. And when they do they mention my 'intermediate non-active third browser window has a memory leak' kind of thing that is as ridiculous sounding as you'd think.

Ok, well... that's what they say!

Me... I don't really care. I'm happy running Tiger right now.

[BlakTornado]

Spaces functions terribly when switching spaces and programs with Adobe CS3.

That's a fault that Adobe needs to fix. It's not a fault with Spaces.

[Dimwhit]

Serious question (more out of curiosity, though):

I was just helping someone with their computer running Tiger. Some people seem to prefer the Finder Sidebar in Tiger over the one in Leopard. Why?!?! I forgot how useless the one in Tiger was. Maybe because I spend a lot of time accessing other computers and drives over our network, but Leopard's sidebar is actually useful to me, whereas the one in Tiger was just terrible. IMO, of course.

Just wondering what it is about Tiger's Sidebar that people prefer over Leopard's.

[belmonr1]

Hi. Can someone help me out with this issue I’m having please?

I’m dying to use my new CS3 apps, but when I try to install from the disc, it doesn’t even get past the initial setup.application.
Quitting on a Javascript Alert, with the following message:
“Critical errors were found in setup
– Incompatible payloads already installed
Please see the Setup log file for details.”

Once I press OK, the application just quits.

I don’t understand code, as I’m a print designer and I’ve searched the forums for this problem? Can anyone help me out please.

I’m thinking of just initializing my hard drive and re-installing Leopard to start fresh again?

[thejadedmonkey]

Belmonr1: try this

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb401574&sliceId=2

[belmonr1]

Thanks JadedMonkey.

I tried this yesterday, but to no avail...
I might run it again, just in case I didn’t do it properly.
Anything I should particularly look out for when I’m running it, or will it just do it for me?

[belmonr1]

jadedmonkey - it works!

Tried it again until I got rid of everything...

Installs fine now.

Thanks for your help!

[Daveoc64]

Still not particularly happy with Leopard.

DVD Player causing a kernel panic on this model is pretty hilarious and networking is about as reliable as... it's so lame I can't even think of a comparison.

[HLdan]

Still not particularly happy with Leopard.

DVD Player causing a kernel panic on this model is pretty hilarious and networking is about as reliable as... it's so lame I can't even think of a comparison.

It's always the OS to blame huh and never the OP?:p

[Dimwhit]

It's always the OS to blame huh and never the OP?:p

I was thinking something along those lines.

[Sdahe]

Could it be that my MBP is not compatible with Leopard?... Something in the computer's hard ware...

I installed Leopard one again to give it another shot but it's chunky... animations are chunky and Safari seems to hang once in a while... :mad:

Other thing is that now the computer works hotter than with Tiger... wierd

[Sun Baked]

So how much you guys think that Leopard would be all fix up

Since it is a PEBKAC issue, it'll be awhile. ;)

[ewoh24]

Leopard has been nothing but a disaster for me. Printing broke with security update 2008-002, the shared network in the sidebar is so unreliable I disabled it (shares appear and disappear randomly), Active Directory binding is flaky at best (but used to work great in Tiger) etc...I don't want to make a laundry list but...

It's just my opinion but in their efforts to improve the user experience, it seems stability has been compromised (at least as of 10.5.2). This is bad if Apple wants to make inroads into enterprise level assimilation. I don't know if they do or not but at least make the tools that they have to do so, work. It's one thing to release an OS to the consumer market that's somewhat buggy, but it can be disastrous to do so at the enterprise level.

[ra noodle]

it's REALLY helpful to encounter a "thread" where there is some disagreements but putting that aside you all are helping each other....some of these threads persons really dump on others and i find that disappointing.....i would like to update to leopard but all i've read up to now makes me wonder if or when Jobs is going to fix all leopards problems---sure many of you can deal with these--i am not one of them. when i got my first issue of mac mini with panther there were no problems at all, when i got my pb12 with tiger ppc again no problems, when i got my mbp15 i with tiger again no problems but leopard would be an install and my HD is more or less full and leopard takes more gb than tiger...so it seems were i to put leopard in either get a larger HD or dump half what i have....i am bothered with the strange security arrangement leopard has and just why it's "leaky" and not a zipped up tight arrangement like tiger had. my reservations are because i am not one of those who are able to work with and resolve leopards issues...so perhaps i shouldn't upgrade to it....simply don't understand why Jobs came out with a half done OS and seems to be stalling on fixing it?

[Bodean]

Well guys...

It's April 27, 2008 and Leopard has been out for some time now. What can you say about it. What is your feedback?....

:apple:

I cannot use my Neato Disk Label maker software with Leopard. Any ideas?

[Bodean]

I cannot use my Neato Disk Label maker software with Leopard. Any ideas?

And to answer the original question, Leopard seems to run a bit slower than the previous OSX. Of course I don't have a new intel machine-iMac, 1ghz (okay, so I am a dinosaur).

[HLdan]

it's REALLY helpful to encounter a "thread" where there is some disagreements but putting that aside you all are helping each other....some of these threads persons really dump on others and i find that disappointing.....i would like to update to leopard but all i've read up to now makes me wonder if or when Jobs is going to fix all leopards problems---sure many of you can deal with these--i am not one of them. when i got my first issue of mac mini with panther there were no problems at all, when i got my pb12 with tiger ppc again no problems, when i got my mbp15 i with tiger again no problems but leopard would be an install and my HD is more or less full and leopard takes more gb than tiger...so it seems were i to put leopard in either get a larger HD or dump half what i have....i am bothered with the strange security arrangement leopard has and just why it's "leaky" and not a zipped up tight arrangement like tiger had. my reservations are because i am not one of those who are able to work with and resolve leopards issues...so perhaps i shouldn't upgrade to it....simply don't understand why Jobs came out with a half done OS and seems to be stalling on fixing it?


Well to be honest after your post it's obvious that you only want to pay attention to any negative situations people are having while shunning all the positives. You have to understand that the few people that have problems never tell the whole story. Here are some examples:

They leave out that they just "upgraded" to Leopard over the old OS instead of doing a full and complete erase of the older OS and installing Leopard and then re-installing their apps individually creating a true clean install.

They leave out that they install haxies and modifications to make Leopard look and run differently than the original install which can create problems.

They leave out the fact that they are using legacy or beta software that's is not truly Leopard compatible so they complain something is crashing but they won't tell you what version of software they are using.

They leave out the fact that they have a household of cordless phones that interfere with their wireless but instead they just complain that Leopard is having wireless problems.

They complain that their brand new Mac is behaving extremely slow and rather than mention they used Migration Assistant and dumped over 100GB of software from their old Mac to the new Mac which caused Spotlight to index their drive and slow stuff down, they decide to complain without any dispelling that info.

Take Bodean's post #71, he mentioned that Leopard ran a bit slower on his Mac but then he explained that he's using an older PowerPC Mac at 1Ghz. Leopard is optimized for Intel Macs. See, he tells the whole story rather than leaving out he has a slower Mac.

10.5.2 fixed a lot of small issues that people were having with Leopard and many people have had very good experiences especially for the 6 meezly months Leopard's been out.
You've had good experiences from Panther to Tiger, there's no reason to allow some negative post to scare you at this point.
Keep in mind this is an online forum and more people will complain and less people with good experiences will post but it's your decision if you are easily swayed by negative feedback.

[ra noodle]

i'm focusing on the things i have read that others are having problems, i am focusing on the fact that i do not know half as much about all this computer talk as guys like you because you can deal with things about leopard i can't and i'm asking if there has been enough upgrading or is it updating that this leopard is ok....i'm not convinced it is...i'm not computer smart like you and 3/4's of who come to macrumor....if i bought the thing and right now i realize i have too much on my HD to fit this- the comment's been said too leave 10% of HD open so appliocations can work and i don't have room.....maybe it sounds like i'm concentrating on negatives because i don't have the skill level to deal with these Panther and Tiger ran 100% for me and i also didn't see even half the word output in relating problems people might have had with those as i have with leopard....i not only have a low skill level i don't even understand half the terms you guys use- these are all the rreasons i come to macrumors to try and learn something!

[HLdan]

i'm focusing on the things i have read that others are having problems, i am focusing on the fact that i do not know half as much about all this computer talk as guys like you because you can deal with things about leopard i can't and i'm asking if there has been enough upgrading or is it updating that this leopard is ok....i'm not convinced it is...i'm not computer smart like you and 3/4's of who come to macrumor....if i bought the thing and right now i realize i have too much on my HD to fit this- the comment's been said too leave 10% of HD open so appliocations can work and i don't have room.....maybe it sounds like i'm concentrating on negatives because i don't have the skill level to deal with these Panther and Tiger ran 100% for me and i also didn't see even half the word output in relating problems people might have had with those as i have with leopard....i not only have a low skill level i don't even understand half the terms you guys use- these are all the rreasons i come to macrumors to try and learn something!

Understandable that you may not be as tech savvy as many of the MR forum members but there was nothing in my post to you that used computer jargon of which you couldn't comprehend with. All I am saying is do yourself a favor and take the chance for yourself and try out Leopard however I cannot recommend enough that you do a full erase of Tiger and Install a fresh copy of Leopard and then install each one of your apps separately. You most likely will have a better experience than you expected.

It's common knowledge in this world that more people will complain than praise but no two people have the same experiences which is why you cannot take the negatives on this forum and expect them to happen to you. Please take my earlier post to you with stride, people complaining may not tell the whole story so it scares off people like you.

I challenge you to either search the forums or create your own thread asking people about positive experiences with Leopard and you most likely will get a lot of good responses but as human nature the response that sticks is the negative and it's sad that you feel that way.:(

[ra noodle]

we'll i'll take your advice on this.....except first i have to manage to scrap up the cost of leopard....your suggestion is to fully erase Tiger and i would guess that your implying in doing that, that i backup beforehand what i have on tiger? it puzzled me that others have said to divide the HD (partition?) and then install and then you say to install applications separately...i don't understand that, do you mean there are applications that come with leopard i'm supposed to add on to it or do you mean applications not already on the leopard discs that i had running along side tiger-like the all-in-one HP printer but in my case the printer i have is pc and hasn't it been said that with 10.5 all pc are out...so for me right now i'm looking at having to get a new printer first that's leopard/intel...I'm thinking outloud--i'm not intending no disrespect for your suggestions...because i appreciate your taking 5 minutes to consider my situation....see my biggest anxiety is that i will screw up somewhere--and in my freefall of frustration the "solution" has always been to reformat....i also want to find out if that Pogue has put out his version of the Leopard manual...i have made disaster mistakes working with other OS and i totally believe your suggestions on how great leopard is but i know here has been the line in th sand so to speak where now leopard runs this and that and no more rosetta (?) help and practically speaking for me that is a new all-in-one leopard compatible printer, then possibly the same with a photo application-it 's helpful that Adobe finally came out with Elements 6.....

You see for me and i have been just a reader for a long time before getting enough nerve to submit comment...interacting on macrumors is almost like having an Apple One-on-One card....my intention is to put no one down i have read enough to know this is a group of person who are professional, use Mac and all its accessories to make a living etc. I've been really puzzled about Leopard, we all know the main sites and mags are pro Mac and really will not straight off say Apple screwed up-for example...to persons like yourself and others who have a greater level of computer knowledge Leopard is a challenge for you guys....and that you can supplement the OSX with all that you need and on the lower end of the scale is someone like me who has square blocks in his hand facing round holes, that a SS disability income really defines what i can afford.....to have leopard in all its greatness now means (for me) getting their time HD for backups, getting a new all-in-one compatible to 10.5, possibly a new photo app...and a lot of you can quite literally really just go out and in one shopping trip get all these either for the employment you have or else your complete enjoyment which i have no anger towards or serious jealousy-envy yes, envy that so many have college and so forth.....i know i am in the company of a generally higher "class" of people than I am(--disabled and on SS disability income) so mainly my intent is to listen and try and learn...and so I thank you for your consideration and suggestions...except now i wonder if an intel 2.0 is now too slow to make good use of Leopard as you have described it...and like you many many have had no problems at all with leopard and when bumps came you each had the skill to deal with it...i can only hope i have listened and paid attention to persons who have a better understanding of the subject and don't screw it up when i try to carry out your suggestions- thanx

[phobox]

Leopard, in a nutshell, is just plain excellent. More specifically its the most impressive release of OSX since its debut.

When Leopard was first released I reluctantly installed it over my perfectly functioning Tiger install, expecting problems. To my surprise I didnt have any problems at all, all my apps (besides those known to be incompatible with Leopard, mainly little 'haxie' type tools) worked fine. At first I wasnt too impressed with networking, it had big issues notably the crippled samba support which was a huge step back from Tiger. Also stacks were next to useless and lacked many needed options. Thankfully both of these as well as many other smaller issues have now been fixed.
I could not go back to using Tiger now Ive had Leopard for so long, its features to me are now invaluable. Spaces I use all the time now, especially with Vmware and Parallels which is extremely useful. Stacks is really nice and provides me quick access to the things I use most. Quick Look is fantastic, cant imagine it not being there with a quick key press to see exactly what a document, file, mp3, movie etc contains.. and with the archive plugin I have for it, I can instantly see whats in any compressed archive without opening it or decompressing it. Fantastic.

If I had to pick holes in Leopard, it would be with Spotlight... I personally find it a step backwards from Tiger.. and why on earth they replaced Tigers Spotlight search results window with something from Finder is just beyond me. But thankfully I dont use it much anyway, I prefer other tools such as LaunchBar or QuickSilver which do much more besides.

All in all Leopard cant be beaten in my opinion, not only is it the best looking and most fully featured consumer OS around, its also the most powerful combining the power and flexibility of unix/linux with the ease of use and functionality we come to expect from Apple.

Can you tell Im a fan? ;)

[Sdahe]

I don't know why but Leopard doesn't runs good in my computer... :(