Jabber Support In iPhone 2.0?

[MacRumors]

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TUAW posts another rumor from the latest iPhone firmware 2.0 build released last week that indicates Apple is planning Jabber/XMPP support (http://www.tuaw.com/2008/04/27/rumors-jabber-support-spotted-by-iphone-insider/).

Our anonymous iControl tipster has returned and tells us that a new XMPP framework has been spotten in the latest iPhone firmware. XMPP refers to the open source standard developed by the Jabber community for instant messaging. Remember back in March when Apple announced it would support native instant messaging? In a nutshell, it looks like Apple's new iPhone-based chat will be built on Jabber/XMPP.

The support remains private to Apple's built-in applications, so 3rd party developers utilizing Apple's API are not able to access the functionality.

Speculatively, it is possible that Apple may be building this functionality for enterprises running Mac OS X Server or other Jabber-based instant message servers.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/04/28/jabber-support-in-iphone-2-0/)

[xUKHCx]

What currently uses Jabber, is this a big thing that it uses jabber over something else?

[MikeDTyke]

What currently uses Jabber, is this a big thing that it uses jabber over something else?

Google talk is the biggest commercial user but there's a myriad of open source server and client implementations. iChat & leopard server both support it.

There's also gateways from jabber onto MSN, AOL & Yahoo chat services. But that'll need third party support.

M.

[cbrain]

Yah! IRC support would be nice too. :)

[longofest]

Google talk is the biggest commercial user but there's a myriad of open source server and client implementations. iChat & leopard server both support it.

There's also gateways from jabber onto MSN, AOL & Yahoo chat services. But that'll need third party support.

M.

I believe there is also a gateway to Sametime. One of the reasons why I think that this may be geared in part for the enterprise.

[Shadowriver]

=There's also gateways from jabber onto MSN, AOL & Yahoo chat services. But that'll need third party support.

It just need only functional jabber/xmmp services browser in client to hook-up to the gateway ;>

[dr_lha]

What currently uses Jabber
Google Talk.

[liberty4all]

A lot of companies prefer XMPP/Jabber since it is internal only, usually, and work-focused...

[bigmc6000]

A lot of companies prefer XMPP/Jabber since it is internal only, usually, and work-focused...

I'll agree with you on the internal thing but with my company having IM at work I can tell you it is RARELY work-focused. I'd say probably 90-95% of my IM conversations have nothing to do with work and in my experience that's pretty standard for the under 30 population.

However, that 10% of time it's work related saves me a lot of time from having to write e-mails, call people or track them down.

[EagerDragon]

Good chance that this will support Sametime IM Connect and others. Sametime from IBM is popular in a lot of enterprises. Sametime supports XMPP and SIP depending on the proxy used. It supports federation with a lot of other IM services. See http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/lotus/products/instantmessaging/rtcgateway/

I am currently evaluating the security of Sametime 8.0 so I am fairly familiar with it.

However this XMPP capability is really for both, consumers and for enterprises, not just for big business.

I'll agree with you on the internal thing but with my company having IM at work I can tell you it is RARELY work-focused. I'd say probably 90-95% of my IM conversations have nothing to do with work and in my experience that's pretty standard for the under 30 population.

However, that 10% of time it's work related saves me a lot of time from having to write e-mails, call people or track them down.

It depends on how you set it up. In our case everyone that wants to talk to the AIM cloud has to request access and the LDAP updated. They would have to use the company ID for a professional presence and not their standard "CuteBlonde64" like iD. Their exchange will be recorded, saved for a long period of time and any abuses may result in termination. The idea is to reach our customers, not to arrange a date. Only text will be allowed, no HTML, no files, no video, no voice.

[MacFly123]

Come on iChat :) It is becoming excruciating waiting till June to get my iPhone 2.0 :D

[billedluh]

hah ha ha. Spotten. That makes me happy.

[macintel4me]

I really wish this was available for us iPhone developers. I would 'love' to use this for sending data between two game clients instead having to poll over http.

[bigmc6000]

It depends on how you set it up. In our case everyone that wants to talk to the AIM cloud has to request access and the LDAP updated. They would have to use the company ID for a professional presence and not their standard "CuteBlonde64" like iD. Their exchange will be recorded, saved for a long period of time and any abuses may result in termination. The idea is to reach our customers, not to arrange a date. Only text will be allowed, no HTML, no files, no video, no voice.

I'm not saying we use it for AIM, I'm talking about talking with your co-workers and yes, it's saved but it's very hard to terminate someone for chatting with their co-workers. There is absolutely no evidence that they weren't multitasking and beyond that are you going to fire people for going over and talking to people? And yes, your name shows up as your name. I don't know why people think that co-workers don't talk about non-work stuff. I'd hate my job if I didn't have anything in common with my co-workers and could talk about non-work related things.

[EagerDragon]

I'm not saying we use it for AIM, I'm talking about talking with your co-workers and yes, it's saved but it's very hard to terminate someone for chatting with their co-workers. There is absolutely no evidence that they weren't multitasking and beyond that are you going to fire people for going over and talking to people? And yes, your name shows up as your name. I don't know why people think that co-workers don't talk about non-work stuff. I'd hate my job if I didn't have anything in common with my co-workers and could talk about non-work related things.

We expect that co-workers and in-house friends will chat, and there is the possibility of a sexual harassment or some other form of complain. That is one of the reasons it is recorded.

As to productivity, we do not worry about it, it will show in their work sooner or later regardless of what is taking their time.

We are more worried about industry regulations, legal issues, investigations and leakage of confidential customer or company information.

People will chat and waste time some days and work hard other days, so it balances. if they always slack off they wont last.

[steviem]

Built-in XMPP support will get rid of the main advantage that Android has (when it arrives).

After that, iPhone and Android will be on fairly level pegging, depending on Android's ability to connect to Exchange servers...

[ozsj]

I've just blogged about Apple iPhone 2.0: The real story behind MobileMe Push Mail and Jabber/XMPP Chat (http://samj.net/2008/07/apple-iphone-20-real-story-behind-push.html) and the two are more closely related than you might think...

Sam

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Sam Johnston
Australian Online Solutions (http://www.aos.net.au/)

[daze]

We expect that co-workers and in-house friends will chat, and there is the possibility of a sexual harassment or some other form of complain. That is one of the reasons it is recorded.

As to productivity, we do not worry about it, it will show in their work sooner or later regardless of what is taking their time.

We are more worried about industry regulations, legal issues, investigations and leakage of confidential customer or company information.

People will chat and waste time some days and work hard other days, so it balances. if they always slack off they wont last.

I agree. Nicely put.

[selena12321]

I believe there is also a gateway to Sametime. One of the reasons why I think that this may be geared in part for the enterprise.It depends on how you set it up.
Thanks

[Nehalem]

There is version of Google Talk for iPhone now, which you can get here: http://www.google.com/mobile/apple/talk/

It should work with iChat, as it supports Jabber/XMPP. Although i haven't tried it, looked a bit complex: http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24076

[ozsj]

Thanks for the link, but note that this is a 'web' rather than a 'native' application.... which means the web site must be open in safari for messaging to work at all. We really need a native version that can respond to messages even when not open, but there is some doubt as to whether this will be possible due to API restrictions, even after the notification service is released later this year.