Rogers to Bring iPhone to Canada

[brad.c]

I think Ted is stealing Steve's thunder on this one.
Albeit an ambiguous timeframe.

Link (http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080429.wrogersstaff0429/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business)

[Teddy's]

I think Ted is stealing Steve's thunder on this one.
Albeit an ambiguous timeframe.

Link (http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080429.wrogersstaff0429/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business)

Big news. It's having the headlines today.

[sananda]

ah good! perhaps the end of the random "when is iphone coming to canada?" posts in threads that have nothing to do with the introduction of iphone to canada.

[VanMac]

Nice to hear it is finally coming.

End of year is kinda ambigious, but better then nothing.

I wonder how this coincides with 3G iPhones, and if Rogers can support higher speeds on it's network?

[slicecom]

FINALLY!!! I can't wait to have a 3G iPhone and never having to worry about it getting bricked!

[The Stig]

YEAH!!! THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU STEVE!!!

Ted.... about friggin' time!

The Stig

[MacRumors]

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Rogers Communications Inc announced (http://newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/April2008/29/c2519.html) that they have come to a deal with Apple to finally offer the iPhone in Canada later this year. Ted Rogers, President and CEO of Rogers issued the following brief statement:We're thrilled to announce that we have a deal with Apple to bring the iPhone to Canada later this year. We can't tell you any more about it right now, but stay tuned.
No other details are provided, but the announcement should provide some assurance to Canadians that the iPhone will finally be available to them. Apple is rumored to introduce their next generation 3G-capable iPhone around June.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/04/29/rogers-to-bring-iphone-to-canada/)

[psxp]

... I will laugh when they Bring the iPhone 1 to canada and the rest of the world are on iPhone 3G

[guzhogi]

ah good! perhaps the end of the random "when is iphone coming to canada?" posts in threads that have nothing to do with the introduction of iphone to canada.

Only to have them replaced by "Yay! We're finally getting the iPhone!" posts.

[scienide09]

I just read the main article on the Globe's main website.

Sadly, no mention of a price reduction in data and rate plans, and no actual timeline given. Really, thisn't so much news as repetition of what we already knew: at some point, the iPhone would come to Canada.

I'm still content using mine as a iTouch, at least until plans improve.

[mainstreetmark]

Canadians will happily purchase all the EDGE phones that show up on eBay, I suspect. In addition, of course, to the new iPhone.

We Americans made sure that when you Canadians got your iPhones, you'd have SDK and 3G. So, you're welcome.

[edesignuk]

No more whining Canadians, huzzah! :D :p

[slicecom]

We Americans made sure that when you Canadians got your iPhones, you'd have SDK and 3G. So, you're welcome.

You Americans? Every American personally made sure that the iPhone came to Canada over a year late? Umm... thanks? :confused:

[TheSpecialist]

THANK GOD!!! Now the whining will finally come to an end:p:p!

[jonny]

Only to have them replaced by "Yay! We're finally getting the iPhone!" posts.
You're forgetting the farts, treasure hunting and kraft dinner.

[Agent Smith]

I'm not so much interested in the Rogers announcement (it was really only a matter of time), as I am in how the Comwave iPhone trademark was settled. For those not in the know, one of the reasons why it's taken so long for the iPhone to show up is the fact that the name "iPhone" is trademarked already as a VOIP phone by a company up here called Comwave.

[asterizk]

I wonder how this coincides with 3G iPhones, and if Rogers can support higher speeds on it's network?

That's what I'm wondering.. anyone reading this thread know if Rogers can support 3g?

Canadian ex-pat in Florida

[corygreenwell]

THANK GOD!!! Now the whining will finally come to an end:p:p!

And the whining about whining came come to an end too, maybe.

[happydude]

congrats, canada, apparently you are on steve's map!!

[TheSpecialist]

And the whining about whining came come to an end too, maybe.

Haha good one.

Now The Netherlands please Steve:rolleyes:?

[Nimiety]

Finally! Rogers is already 3g in the centers so I am thinking this will coincide nicely with june's wwdc. Awesome.

[Stella]

That's what I'm wondering.. anyone reading this thread know if Rogers can support 3g?

Canadian ex-pat in Florida

Rogers is 3G enabled ( as is Fido ).

If Rogers don't introduce cheaper data rates, the iPhone will be a luxury item ( for mobile internet ).

[AlphaAnt]

That's what I'm wondering.. anyone reading this thread know if Rogers can support 3g?

Canadian ex-pat in Florida

Yes, they have 3G in the top 25 cities according to their website.

[tmelvin]

:mad:

When will T-Mobile/USA be getting the iPhone??!! AT&T blows in my area...but T-Mob works well...

[glennyboiwpg]

So now what happens to those of us who have a hacked Iphone and want to turn it legit? Do we have to buy a new iphone or can we stick an new simcard into it and just activate it as normal?

[guzhogi]

Rogers is 3G enabled ( as is Fido ).

If Rogers don't introduce cheaper data rates, the iPhone will be a luxury item ( for mobile internet ).

Where isn't an iPhone a luxury item?

[slicecom]

I'm not so much interested in the Rogers announcement (it was really only a matter of time), as I am in how the Comwave iPhone trademark was settled. For those not in the know, one of the reasons why it's taken so long for the iPhone to show up is the fact that the name "iPhone" is trademarked already as a VOIP phone by a company up here called Comwave.

I'm not too worried about it. If anything they'll just do what they did with iTV and call it the :apple:phone.

[TheSpecialist]

So now what happens to those of us who have a hacked Iphone and want to turn it legit? Do we have to buy a new iphone or can we stick an new simcard into it and just activate it as normal?

Don't count on it.

[Raid]

I heard the announcement this morning on Canada AM (national morning news for our neighbours to the south and across the pond). In regards to the announcement the Co-Anchor said something like 'I bet it won't be out till October', to which the tech-reporter said 'sooner'...

I hope that means a WWDC release, but who knows if the tech-reporter knows anything or is just speculating... lets face it there has been LOTS of speculation as to the iPhone release date. ;)

[RebelScum]

In True Rogers fashion, they announce that the iPhone will finally be making its much-overdue appearance in Canadian stores. Whoop-de-****. I'd be excited if it weren't for the feact that it's being carried on Rogers' inferior network and supported by Rogers' FAR inferior infrastructure. Rogers has THE highest rates in Canada, THE worst customer service, um, anywhere, and THE WORST network infrastructure. Couple with the fact that they are easily hands-down the most expensive carrier in the country, and you're still stuck with a device that only the way-upper-middle class can afford while the rest of us go into hock over it. And of course, in true Apple fashion, the device will still cost 15% more than it does in the states, regardless of the dollar value.

But hey, the iPhone's coming!! Everyone do a little dance!!! We're lemmings!! We're Sheeple and we'll dance to anything!!

If, by some strange and highly unlikely twist of common sense, the iPhone comes to FIDO, or Rogers unveils a Fido-Like plan (in which one can get a $25 basic phone plan and $10/month UNLIMITED INTERNET), then this will become exciting news. As it stands, it is woefully obvious that Rogers couldn't give less of a **** about its customers, while Fido is constantly reworking its plans to offer lower costs and higher connectivity. The irony here is that both providers are owned by Rogers. I get that different brands offer different things to different people. I don't get why Rogers feels the need to stick it up its customer base's collective ass when it comes to cost vs. service.

What I'll likely do is stay with Rogers until the iPhone is released, pay the balance of my contract, and take my iPhone on over to Fido.

[brad.c]

IBut hey, the iPhone's coming!! Everyone do a little dance!!! We're lemmings!! We're Sheeple and we'll dance to anything!!

Sheeple dance. I like it.

[slicecom]

In True Rogers fashion, they announce that the iPhone will finally be making its much-overdue appearance in Canadian stores. Whoop-de-****. I'd be excited if it weren't for the feact that it's being carried on Rogers' inferior network and supported by Rogers' FAR inferior infrastructure. Rogers has THE highest rates in Canada, THE worst customer service, um, anywhere, and THE WORST network infrastructure. Couple with the fact that they are easily hands-down the most expensive carrier in the country, and you're still stuck with a device that only the way-upper-middle class can afford while the rest of us go into hock over it. And of course, in true Apple fashion, the device will still cost 15% more than it does in the states, regardless of the dollar value.

But hey, the iPhone's coming!! Everyone do a little dance!!! We're lemmings!! We're Sheeple and we'll dance to anything!!

If, by some strange and highly unlikely twist of common sense, the iPhone comes to FIDO, or Rogers unveils a Fido-Like plan (in which one can get a $25 basic phone plan and $10/month UNLIMITED INTERNET), then this will become exciting news. As it stands, it is woefully obvious that Rogers couldn't give less of a **** about its customers, while Fido is constantly reworking its plans to offer lower costs and higher connectivity. The irony here is that both providers are owned by Rogers. I get that different brands offer different things to different people. I don't get why Rogers feels the need to stick it up its customer base's collective ass when it comes to cost vs. service.

What I'll likely do is stay with Rogers until the iPhone is released, pay the balance of my contract, and take my iPhone on over to Fido.

You're right! Now that we can't complain about having no iPhone, we should find new things to complain about! I like where you're going with this.

[glennyboiwpg]

Don't count on it.

So then... do we sell it now, and buy it again when it comes out?

[Darkroom]

Rogers SUCKS!

[TheSpecialist]

You're right! Now that we can't complain about having no iPhone, we should find new things to complain about! I like where you're going with this.

Complaining or not, he's right.

[TheSpecialist]

So then... do we sell it now, and buy it again when it comes out?

I don't know. You shouldn't have unlocked it in the first place imo. Just should have wait. You do know when you unlocked the thing your warranty went byebye? They can't help you with the phone anymore. If you really want official support yes you have to sell and re-buy it (now officially). I'm from The Netherlands (Europe), and while I can hardly wait, I'm just waiting because I'm sure it's coming out this year. So why buy and EDGE version first, unlock, lose warranty, to get an official version in my country later on.

[morespce54]

Nice to hear it is finally coming.

End of year is kinda ambigious, but better then nothing.

I wonder how this coincides with 3G iPhones, and if Rogers can support higher speeds on it's network?

I mostly wonder "How about those expensive Rogers data plans"...

[slicecom]

Complaining or not, he's right.

I agree with him as well, but I'm just thankful we'll actually be able to legally have the thing without warranty voidage or brickage!

[glennyboiwpg]

I don't know. You shouldn't have unlocked it in the first place imo. Just should have wait. You do know when you unlocked the thing your warranty went byebye? They can't help you with the phone anymore. If you really want official support yes you have to sell and re-buy it (now officially). I'm from The Netherlands (Europe), and while I can hardly wait, I'm just waiting because I'm sure it's coming out this year. So why buy and EDGE version first, unlock, lose warranty, to get an official version in my country later on.


wow... i'm sorry mom. I didn't mean to be bad. Please scold me for I'm a bad person. snif snif.

[amac4me]

"later this year" = after 3G iPhone is launched

[RebelScum]

You're right! Now that we can't complain about having no iPhone, we should find new things to complain about! I like where you're going with this.

Yeah, the one-time cost of the hardware far outweights being assrammed on a monthly basis by a company with weak infrastructure, poor service, and inexplicable high costs. Yeah, I like where YOU'RE going with this.

Who cares what it costs going forward...I have an iPhone. People are gonna think I'm so cool.

I just got off the phone with Rogers to see when my contract expires. It's July 2010. To get out of it will cost me $400. I immediately asked, "Whern did that change?!? When I originally signed up, contract breaking cost $10 per remaining month or $200, whichever was more." The guys response was: "Around October or something like that." I then asked if they would honour my $200 dealbreaker. his response: "You could probably argue that." I then asked if I qualified for hardware upgrade. To my shock and awe, I was told "Yes". To my UTTER LACK of surprise, I was then told that I would have to sign ANOTHER 3-YEAR CONTRACT when I upgraded.

Is an iPhone worth all this ********e? I'm inclined to think no.

[GeekLawyer]

:mad:

When will T-Mobile/USA be getting the iPhone??!!

Well, certainly no sooner than July 2012. And probably not even then.

[~Shard~]

Great news, it's about time! My guess is that Rogers is holding off until the 3G Phone is available. Who knows, otherwise maybe they would have launched the iPhone here even sooner... waiting for the 3G iPhone (along with the SDK) is a smart move though.

Let's hope we see this baby in June!

[iTattoo]

What I'll likely do is stay with Rogers until the iPhone is released, pay the balance of my contract, and take my iPhone on over to Fido.

You do realize that Rogers owns Fido right? Here' some details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Communications

[morespce54]

Rogers is 3G enabled ( as is Fido ).

If Rogers don't introduce cheaper data rates, the iPhone will be a luxury item ( for mobile internet ).

Where isn't an iPhone a luxury item?

Believe me, when you're paying the price of a new iPhone every year only for your data rate plans, you know it's luxury ;)

[slicecom]

Yeah, the one-time cost of the hardware far outweights being assrammed on a monthly basis by a company with weak infrastructure, poor service, and inexplicable high costs. Yeah, I like where YOU'RE going with this.

Who cares what it costs going forward...I have an iPhone. People are gonna think I'm so cool.

I just got off the phone with Rogers to see when my contract expires. It's July 2010. To get out of it will cost me $400. I immediately asked, "Whern did that change?!? When I originally signed up, contract breaking cost $10 per remaining month or $200, whichever was more." The guys response was: "Around October or something like that." I then asked if they would honour my $200 dealbreaker. his response: "You could probably argue that." I then asked if I qualified for hardware upgrade. To my shock and awe, I was told "Yes". To my UTTER LACK of surprise, I was then told that I would have to sign ANOTHER 3-YEAR CONTRACT when I upgraded.

Is an iPhone worth all this ********e? I'm inclined to think no.

If I wanted an iPhone to look cool, I would have got one when it came out in the States. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians already have one. It's no longer to cool new thing to have. I agree Rogers sucks, but b*tching about it on a Mac forum wont fix it.

[RebelScum]

You do realize that Rogers owns Fido right? Here' some details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Communications

Ya man, I'm well aware, as I've already stated. But different brand structure = different programs, rates, etc. To put it succinctly, regardless of who owns them: Rogers bad. Fido less bad.

If it weren't for roaming charges, I'd just get an AT&T or Vodafone and not have to worry about any of this garbage.

[notjustjay]

This is good news. But, like the others, I am holding on to a "wait and see" mode until we see what the data plans look like.

I'm currently with Fido and paying $20 a month (plus the silly $7 network fee) for basic phone service, 200 minutes a month, no voice mail or caller ID or any frills. I could see myself paying a bit more for the privilege of having the mobile internet, but my cell phone is NOT my life (like many people, apparently) so I can't justify paying a whole lot more.

Also, having owned an iPod Touch since December, and fully aware of how much babying I have to do to keep it pristine looking, as opposed to my scratched and scuffed phone, I wonder just how convenient (or not) it's going to be to switch. I currently keep my phone in my front pocket with my keys. Probably can't do that with an iPhone...

If Fido gets it, I will probably buy one (I have "Fido Dollars" as credits ready to put toward the purchase). If Rogers gets it, I will think about switching providers, but will need some convincing.

[generationxwing]

I'm stoked because at least we have some more information. The iPhone is confirmed to come to Canada in 2008. Yes, we all figured it would come eventually, but at least now we have something a bit more concrete.

As for the plans, I'm not too worried about the data rates. In agreeing to a deal, Apple would have a say in that regard and they want wireless data to be as accessible as possible. I'm betting we'll get something like 500megs or 1gig for the same price as what the Americans pay for unlimited data.

I do hope Rogers offers it on Fido. I'm with them, and I love my per second billing...

[Team7]

If, by some strange and highly unlikely twist of common sense, the iPhone comes to FIDO, or Rogers unveils a Fido-Like plan (in which one can get a $25 basic phone plan and $10/month UNLIMITED INTERNET), then this will become exciting news. As it stands, it is woefully obvious that Rogers couldn't give less of a **** about its customers, while Fido is constantly reworking its plans to offer lower costs and higher connectivity. The irony here is that both providers are owned by Rogers. I get that different brands offer different things to different people. I don't get why Rogers feels the need to stick it up its customer base's collective ass when it comes to cost vs. service.

What I'll likely do is stay with Rogers until the iPhone is released, pay the balance of my contract, and take my iPhone on over to Fido.

Rogers=Fido=Rogers :(

Rogers bought Fido a few years ago. So the plans are pretty much the same and the network is identical.

There is very little competition in Canada this means crappier service and high rates. If rogers does not change its data plan anyone using edge on the iphone will end up like that dude in Alberta who had a 80 000$ bill.

[RebelScum]

If I wanted an iPhone to look cool, I would have got one when it came out in the States. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians already have one. It's no longer to cool new thing to have. I agree Rogers sucks, but b*tching about it on a Mac forum wont fix it.

Ya think?

When my time-out is finished, I'll remind you that a forum is a place in which one is free to express opinion. In my case I feel lik eI'm pointing out the obvious. IN your case, I feel like your response is "....but.....but iPhone!!"

b*tching about it on a Mac forum wont fix it.

I'm putting that on T-shirt...it's brill.

[hayesk]

I think Ted is stealing Steve's thunder on this one.
Albeit an ambiguous timeframe.

Link (http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080429.wrogersstaff0429/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business)

I doubt it. Steve never cared about surprise announcements in Canada, where a service already existed in the US.

[adamberti]

So my phone bill was $120 last month..... tack on Rogers Data Plan, and I'll be paying close to $200?

Anyone care to wager what the unlimited data option will cost? I'm guessing not less than $40 a month.

[belancraig]

The news today is something to be excited about....well, it's more like finally. But there are still alot of issues that will have to be taken care of. And knowing Rogers, they will probably mess it up like they always do. But due to the fact that between them and Bell, they essentially have a monopoly. I'm just waiting until they rename Toronto Ted Rogers' City (it's only a matter of time). Anyways, like mentioned before, Rogers is probably the most expensive carrier out there and Canada in general is about 2-3 years away from the US and their costing philosophies. The major issue is that Rogers doesn't really have a true 3G infrastructure and will not be able to support the iPhone and it's features. So we will likely be stuck with the old GSM iPhones. Second, Rogers doesn't have any unlimited plans. I pay $90 a month just for a decent voice only package. I like the way AT&T is thinking, unlimited everything for $99. The third issue is that Rogers will likely be charging double the price for the iPhone and still force you to sign a contract. At least it will be easier to import one in from the states.

So, I'm not holding my breath and am quite skeptical that Rogers will do the smart thing for their business.

[ClassicBean]

It's aboooot time.

[brad.c]

Since I'm not a heavy mobile phone user, I didn't renew my contract with Bell when it ran out some three or four years back. With the money I saved by going pay-as-you-go for six months, I was able to buy a (then) brand new Palm Treo 600. I really want to replace it now. A PDA option that seamlessly integrates with my MBP would be so sweet. I don't want to simply drink the koolaid, I just want a simple, affordable solution.

In the meantime, I think I'll reserve my anti-corporate venom until the final costs of the hardware and data rates are made public. Might as well be accurate in my curses.

I'm just waiting until they rename Toronto Ted Rogers' City (it's only a matter of time).

It's still the SkyDome, dammit!

[slicecom]

Ya think?

When my time-out is finished, I'll remind you that a forum is a place in which one is free to express opinion. In my case I feel lik eI'm pointing out the obvious. IN your case, I feel like your response is "....but.....but iPhone!!"



I'm putting that on T-shirt...it's brill.

Step away from your computer and go throw a pie at Ted Rogers. Not only would it be extremely entertaining, it would get the message across much better than complaining in a forum he will never read. ;)

[RebelScum]

Rogers=Fido=Rogers :(

Rogers bought Fido a few years ago. So the plans are pretty much the same and the network is identical.

There is very little competition in Canada this means crappier service and high rates. If rogers does not change its data plan anyone using edge on the iphone will end up like that dude in Alberta who had a 80 000$ bill.

Yeah, it's rought. Non-competition in this country is killing the consumer. We're being bled dry because of a CRTC loophole from back in the day that allowed one company, Bell, to own all communication infrastructure in the country and lease it out to other companies at a "reasonable rate". It's still current and grossly unfair. It's the reason Allstream and Videotron still remain local. I'm actually very surprised Telus (Clearnet) oever got off the West Coast.

But we are where we are. Regarding Fido & Rogers' plans...yeah, their monthlies are fairly similar, but Fido at least had the good sense to offer an unlimited data plan at a reasonable rate. They also have a fair Phone plan...you can get for $25 what I'm currently paying $35 for.

Of course, since we're talking iPhone here, we're only considering 3G providers. The company with the BEST rates is likely Bell, with its $7/month unlimited data plan.

But you're right, it's a nickel-and-dime game. Oh to be more like Europe :)

[RebelScum]

Step away from your computer and go throw a pie at Ted Rogers. Not only would it be extremely entertaining, it would get the message across much better than complaining in a forum he will never read. ;)

Done. He looked the fool. Moreso than Chretian. Sadly, once he realized it was Banana Cream, he bought all Banana Cream rights and then charged me $45 for the pie and an additional $20 for the right to throw it...plus $6 for the plate.

Whose laughing NOW.

Reagrdless, typing on a forum is about as useful as shouting at a brick wall when it comes to affecting change, but it's no worse than your high-horse mentality ;)

[belancraig]

It's still the SkyDome, dammit!

Exactly. I won't call it you know what :P I also go to Ryerson, so Mr. Rogers also owns half of the school as well.

[slicecom]

Done. He looked the fool. Moreso than Chretian. Sadly, once he realized it was Banana Cream, he bought all Banana Cream rights and then charged me $45 for the pie and an additional $20 for the right to throw it...plus $6 for the plate.

Whose laughing NOW.

Reagrdless, typing on a forum is about as useful as shouting at a brick wall when it comes to affecting change, but it's no worse than your high-horse mentality ;)

I'll stay on my cyber high-horse as long as I'm bored at work, thank-you very much. :cool:

[EngBrian]

Great news. I wish the timing was a bit more firm but I'll takes what I can get. unfortunately this will require getting out of my telus contract or waiting for it to expire.

Wonder if they are going to have decent data plans finally.

[RebelScum]

I'll stay on my cyber high-horse as long as I'm bored at work, thank-you very much. :cool:

Hehe, and I'll rant on till the break of dawn :)

Come on man, you can't possibly think that the iPhone on the Rogers network is in any way good for the the Apple brand, much less the consumer??

[brad.c]

Exactly. I won't call it you know what :P I also go to Ryerson, so Mr. Rogers also owns half of the school as well.

Heh, I did too. Class of '91! I'll call it Sam's Before I'll call it Ted's University.

[slicecom]

Hehe, and I'll rant on till the break of dawn :)

Come on man, you can't possibly think that the iPhone on the Rogers network is in any way good for the the Apple brand, much less the consumer??

I don't disagree with a word you've said. Rogers is one of the worst companies I've ever dealt with. I'm just happy that I won't have to worry about my iPhone getting bricked. My current Rogers cellphone bill is $50 a month, and for an iPhone if I have to pay slightly more per month, I will. If its ridiculous, I'll continue to go without until a viable alternative comes along.

[stagi]

Cool canadians finally will get the iPhone!

[notjustjay]

Come on man, you can't possibly think that the iPhone on the Rogers network is in any way good for the the Apple brand, much less the consumer??

Our only hope here is that Steve sees through all this and FORCES Rogers to come up with something better as part of the iPhone deal.

Steve likes for Apple to be in the premium market, but not the "so ridiculously expensive, it's a total rip off" category.

[MacInTO]

yeah, whatever.

[RebelScum]

I don't disagree with a word you've said. Rogers is one of the worst companies I've ever dealt with. I'm just happy that I won't have to worry about my iPhone getting bricked. My current Rogers cellphone bill is $50 a month, and for an iPhone if I have to pay slightly more per month, I will. If its ridiculous, I'll continue to go without until a viable alternative comes along.

Ya, agreed. I guess I just wish I had more options. It'd be mad easy to get my iPhone from Rogers, cancel my service, and run over to Fido (yes, I know, same co.) if it weren't for the new $400 cancellation fee.

I absolutely can not stand being "told" what I must do regarding a cell phone, when the rest of the world has options. I feel like if I don;t adhere strictly to the provider's rules, I'm going to be sent to my room without dinner. If I wasn't such a Macingeek, I'd forgo the iPhone altogether and get a Virgin Mobile. Alas...I want the shiny toys :)

[belancraig]

Heh, I did too. Class of '91! I'll call it Sam's Before I'll call it Ted's University.

Well Sam's just closed down and Ryerson bought the building. They are turning Sam The Record Man into student study space. And they just built the Ted Rogers School of Business building a couple of years ago, so things are a changin'!

[slicecom]

If I wasn't such a Macingeek, I'd forgo the iPhone altogether and get a Virgin Mobile. Alas...I want the shiny toys :)

Same. It's amazing the things we're willing to go through for our beautiful, shiny toys with an Apple on them.

[RebelScum]

Same. It's amazing the things we're willing to go through for our beautiful, shiny toys with an Apple on them.

S'true :) Still, I feel justified...at the end of the day...they're still kickass products :)

[kornyboy]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A102 Safari/419.3)

This is good for Canada. Do most people like Rogers as a provider in Canada or are they like AT&T in the US?

[reckless_0001]

Boo... no Rogers here.. they only cover major centres... :(

[steve31]

GREAT NEWS!!!! Shinny new 3G iPhone here I come!!:D:D:D

[guzhogi]

Believe me, when you're paying the price of a new iPhone every year only for your data rate plans, you know it's luxury ;)

I practically am, and I'm in the US. $20/month * 12 months = $240. Quite a hunk of change anyways.

[reckless_0001]

I practically am, and I'm in the US. $20/month * 12 months = $240. Quite a hunk of change anyways.

That's cheap. Paying way more here in Canada.

https://commerce.sasktel.com/eSales/start.swe?SWECmd=InvokeMethod&SWEMethod=Linkup&SWEService=SKTL+eSales+Link+Service&ViewName=Product+Catalog+Category+Detail+View+-+Product+Basic+(eSales)&BusObject=Catalog&BusComp=Catalog+Category&Id=1-JMO2G&SWERF=1&SMIDENTITY=NO

[7on]

:mad:

When will T-Mobile/USA be getting the iPhone??!! AT&T blows in my area...but T-Mob works well...

Ummm, AT&T and T-mobile use the same towers. Maybe you're in an 850Mhz area and the AT&T phone you looked at was only triband missing the 850? and your T-mobile phone has the 850Mhz needed in your area.

As for me, I'm getting an iPhone and unlocking it.

[Virgil-TB2]

Believe me, when you're paying the price of a new iPhone every year only for your data rate plans, you know it's luxury ;)Yeah, Rogers doing a deal with Apple is actually the worst news we could get in regards bringing the iPhone to Canada.

You can already get an (unlocked) iPhone and pay hundreds of dollars a month in data rates to Rogers. News that we can now get "official" iPhones from the same monopoly at the same exorbitant prices is hardly new or welcome.

It would have been better news for Apple to announce that it couldn't come to a deal at all and is offering the iPhone unlocked to all comers as it is rumoured to be doing in various other countries.

So far, this news only seems to imply that Canada will get screwed by Apple once again. First, we don't get the iPhone for a whole year after it's introduction despite being the USA's next door neighbour, and now just as the rest of the world is getting unlocked iPhones and cheaper iPhones, we appear to be set to buy into Rogers locked, "triple the regular fee" iPhone. :rolleyes:

[RebelScum]

That's cheap. Paying way more here in Canada.

Agreed...that's peanuts.

The best data + voice plan I've found in Canada is Fido: $35 (unlim. eve + WE, 200 mins, unlimited inbound, by-the-second) + $10 Data (Unlimited internet & SMS, 5¢/KB for downloads) + $6 SAF + Taxes = $57.63.

Bell's data rate is lower, but the phone rates aren't as good. Rogers has you bent over a table, so don't even look there. No idea re. Telus.

[psxp]

:mad:

When will T-Mobile/USA be getting the iPhone??!! AT&T blows in my area...but T-Mob works well...

DUDE do your research - AT&T have a 5 YEAR exclusiveness of the iPhone in the USA -

[psxp]

Agreed...that's peanuts.

The best data + voice plan I've found in Canada is Fido: $35 (unlim. eve + WE, 200 mins, unlimited inbound, by-the-second) + $10 Data (Unlimited internet & SMS, 5¢/KB for downloads) + $6 SAF + Taxes = $57.63.

Bell's data rate is lower, but the phone rates aren't as good. Rogers has you bent over a table, so don't even look there. No idea re. Telus.

Unlimited data is only WAP data through their WAP server not "normal" data

[flopticalcube]

Its obvious why the announcement was made now. With the upcoming auction, Roger's wants its name associated with the iPhone. Competition is about to heat up and they want a leg up any way they can get it.

speakout wireless from 7/11, FTW!

[mynameismatt89]

Quick question:

Will the iPhone on Rogers network work on a pay-as-you go plan? (without unlocking).

I'm kind of weary about this because you would need to add data plans and everything to the pay as you go plan right?

[psxp]

GREAT NEWS!!!! Shinny new 3G iPhone here I come!!:D:D:D

Well, dont be surprised if Rogers release iPhone 1 on Edge.. I mean, they released the TyTN I when AT&T went with the TyTN II (Tilt)

[jholzner]

Yeah, Rogers doing a deal with Apple is actually the worst news we could get in regards bringing the iPhone to Canada.

You can already get an (unlocked) iPhone and pay hundreds of dollars a month in data rates to Rogers. News that we can now get "official" iPhones from the same monopoly at the same exorbitant prices is hardly new or welcome.

It would have been better news for Apple to announce that it couldn't come to a deal at all and is offering the iPhone unlocked to all comers as it is rumoured to be doing in various other countries.



Unlocked or not you have to go with Rogers in Canada so what's the difference? In other countries there are multiple GSM carriers so unlocked actually has an advantage.

[brad.c]

Unlocked or not you have to go with Rogers in Canada so what's the difference? In other countries there are multiple GSM carriers so unlocked actually has an advantage.

If you buy from Rogers then cancel your contract and go pre-paid, will that be better than unlocked? I mean, you'd at least have a warranty, no?

Speculation is fun!

[quigleybc]

FINALLY!!!!!!


I've been checking the front page of MR for soooo long waiting for this frigging Headline!!!


W00000000000 H00000000000000




YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

[AlphaAnt]

Yeah, Rogers doing a deal with Apple is actually the worst news we could get in regards bringing the iPhone to Canada.

You can already get an (unlocked) iPhone and pay hundreds of dollars a month in data rates to Rogers. News that we can now get "official" iPhones from the same monopoly at the same exorbitant prices is hardly new or welcome.

It would have been better news for Apple to announce that it couldn't come to a deal at all and is offering the iPhone unlocked to all comers as it is rumoured to be doing in various other countries.

So far, this news only seems to imply that Canada will get screwed by Apple once again. First, we don't get the iPhone for a whole year after it's introduction despite being the USA's next door neighbour, and now just as the rest of the world is getting unlocked iPhones and cheaper iPhones, we appear to be set to buy into Rogers locked, "triple the regular fee" iPhone. :rolleyes:

Considering that Rogers is the only GSM network in Canada, you had to know it was going to be Rogers or nothing. So now you can be in the same boat as all the people in the USA who keep groaning "I want iPhone on Verizon/Sprint". Even getting it unlocked would require that you get it on Rogers, just at a much higher hardware cost due to the lack of revenue sharing in the monthly fee.

[steve31]

Well, dont be surprised if Rogers release iPhone 1 on Edge.. I mean, they released the TyTN I when AT&T went with the TyTN II (Tilt)Cant see Apple doing that! There far too vain. I am sure we will see the newest iphones here or Apple would not bother with us.;)

[theheadguy]

We Americans made sure that when you Canadians got your iPhones, you'd have SDK and 3G. So, you're welcome.
You Americans? Every American personally made sure that the iPhone came to Canada over a year late? Umm... thanks? :confused:
Ugh... ::shakes head::
Not every American is this full of themselves, I promise...

[Virgil-TB2]

Unlocked or not you have to go with Rogers in Canada so what's the difference? In other countries there are multiple GSM carriers so unlocked actually has an advantage.I don't know why people keep saying this as it's totally not true.

Cell antenna wise, Rogers owns most of the hardware, but not all of it by any means. Service-wise, there are a lot of choices out there. I currently use Virgin.

If the current iPhone was unlocked, there would be a whole variety of people offering up different service plans and thus Rogers would have to compete. If the iPhone "2.0" operates on different hardware (likely), then there will be even more choices.

The point is that without the iPhone being unlocked, you have no choice and the service will likely be very very expensive indeed. If unlocking them only gives you a *possibility* of a slightly cheaper service, that alone would be a good thing.

What if the iPhone arrives in a month or two locked into a five year agreement with Rogers similar to the AT&T exclusivity contract? That would be a nightmare! It would basically mean that the average middle-class person in Canada would not be able to afford an iPhone for five years!

Knowing Rogers, and based on the weasel-ly wording of their announcement, I continue to hope that Apple has not made such an exclusive arrangement with these guys, but it's by no means for sure that this is the case.

Exclusive Rogers contract for iPhone == bad deal for Canada and Canadians.

[quigleybc]

I don't really care if Rogers sucks

I don't really care if we are going to get beat down with extra charges.


I DID care that we were one of the last countries with an iTunes store that still didn't have the iPhone

I DID care that if I wanted to use this revolutionary device, i had to hack it and hope for the best


this is great news for Canadians.

[glennyboiwpg]

Cant see Apple doing that! There far to vain. I am sure we will see the newest iphones here or Apple would not bother with us.;)


I think that is going to happen is they would just release the G3 (current) iphone as the new one should be backward compatible with edge networks. So we would probably have a G3 phone on an 2.5G network.

[MacinDoc]

I'm just waiting to see how much of a rip-off Rogers' plans will be.
Hopefully Apple put the screws to them to offer something a bit more reasonable than the current plans...

[Mock Turtleneck]

In a following announcement Steve Jobs was quoted as saying...

"Oh, they said that they had a deal with us....before I announced it..."

Mr. Jobs then turns to two men in black suits who promptly disappeared behind the Apple Curtain.

20 minutes later every iPhone in Canada exploded with the wraith of Jobs coming down on the premature announcement, his maniacal laughter heard across all 3 cities in Canada vowing eternal iPhone Blacklisting for Canada.

......

Couldn't resist. ;)

The Mock Turtleneck

[MrGouda]

Finally! Some sorta, good news! Good news on a timeframe on iPhone to Canada. Bad news it's gonna be on Rogers' network.

Why doesn't Apple do what they did in Europe and simply offer an unlocked iPhone out the gate? I'm sure they have their reasons but I'm still puzzled just the same :confused:

[srobert]

No more whining Canadians, huzzah! :D :p

Agreed! Now we can finally go back to our regular Brits whining about UK pricing threads. :D

Long live the Commonwealth!

I kid, I kid.

[uMac]

All I can say is this...
Its about Time

[RebelScum]

Unlimited data is only WAP data through their WAP server not "normal" data

Really?!???!?

So that 5¢/kb DL rate would apply to HTML downloads, including page graphics?!?

I THOUGHT SO....GODDAM!!!!

[sho38]

... I will laugh when they Bring the iPhone 1 to canada and the rest of the world are on iPhone 3G


Def. 3G model...My friend at Rogers told me 6mths ago that they were not interested in the Edge version because it is being phased out in favor of 3G.

[vwDavid]

Nice to hear it is finally coming.

End of year is kinda ambigious, but better then nothing.

I wonder how this coincides with 3G iPhones, and if Rogers can support higher speeds on it's network?


Yes, Rogers has quite a bit of HSPDA deployment AFAIK.

[tmelvin]

Ummm, AT&T and T-mobile use the same towers. Maybe you're in an 850Mhz area and the AT&T phone you looked at was only triband missing the 850? and your T-mobile phone has the 850Mhz needed in your area.

As for me, I'm getting an iPhone and unlocking it.

Well, I had two BlackBerry 8700 phones; one from Cingular and one from T-Mobile. T-Mob had full bars, Cingular had 1...Both can use 850Mhz...

[benpca]

I don't know. You shouldn't have unlocked it in the first place imo. Just should have wait. You do know when you unlocked the thing your warranty went byebye? They can't help you with the phone anymore. If you really want official support yes you have to sell and re-buy it (now officially). I'm from The Netherlands (Europe), and while I can hardly wait, I'm just waiting because I'm sure it's coming out this year. So why buy and EDGE version first, unlock, lose warranty, to get an official version in my country later on.

wow... i'm sorry mom. I didn't mean to be bad. Please scold me for I'm a bad person. snif snif.

glennyboywpg -- most likely, depending on what unlock you used -- you will be able to restore your iPhone to the newest firmware (2.0...or later) once its released on Rogers which will allow you to activate it normally and you will have a warranty assuming this happens within the 1 year timeframe. (The new unlocks don't leave lasting damage/change so once the software is restored, it makes no difference, the iPhone warranty is conditional upon activation with one of the authorized service providers). If you're on a 1.0.2 unlocked phone its a slightly different story but its still doable.

Every time a new country has been added there has been a new software version. As far as I know, if you buy a 1.1.4 phone in USA you can activate it on O2 in Britain and have no problem, the software just has to recognize the location, which current versions do not for rogers.

TheSpecialist - Since you don't have an iPhone, i don't see how you can speak so authoritatively about it and how the unlocking / software updating works, in any case, you're most likely incorrect given most of what i've read online and deduced from playing around with the software on my iPhone.

[jholzner]

Finally! Some sorta, good news! Good news on a timeframe on iPhone to Canada. Bad news it's gonna be on Rogers' network.

Why doesn't Apple do what they did in Europe and simply offer an unlocked iPhone out the gate? I'm sure they have their reasons but I'm still puzzled just the same :confused:

As I mentioned earlier there are no other GSM carriers in Canada so even if it was unlocked Rogers is the only choice.

[Plutonius]

THANK GOD!!! Now the whining will finally come to an end:p:p!

Wait till Rogers announces it's iPhone calling plan prices. Then the whining will start again along with the "blame Apple for the Rogers high prices".

[psxp]

I don't know why people keep saying this as it's totally not true.

Cell antenna wise, Rogers owns most of the hardware, but not all of it by any means. Service-wise, there are a lot of choices out there. I currently use Virgin.

If the current iPhone was unlocked, there would be a whole variety of people offering up different service plans and thus Rogers would have to compete. If the iPhone "2.0" operates on different hardware (likely), then there will be even more choices.

DUDE, you dont understand.. ROGERS (and Fido who are ROGERS) are the ONLY GSM company in Canada. The iPhone is GSM.

People, get a basic understanding of the technology here in Canada. Its not all Rosy !!

[psxp]

I think that is going to happen is they would just release the G3 (current) iphone as the new one should be backward compatible with edge networks. So we would probably have a G3 phone on an 2.5G network.

its 3G.. people 3G..!!!

<sigh>

[psxp]

Really?!???!?

So that 5¢/kb DL rate would apply to HTML downloads, including page graphics?!?

I THOUGHT SO....GODDAM!!!!


yes,.. read more at the Canadian Cellular forums www.howardforums.com

[Mock Turtleneck]

its 3G.. people 3G..!!!

<sigh>

Deep breaths, deeeeeeeeeep breaths... No need to get all worked up over nothing, obviously you know what they meant, yes it was an incorrect term but still...

The Mock Turtleneck

[redgaz26]

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if Canada gets the 3g iPhone before Scotland I ain't going to be happy. Lol.
Seriously you guys are going to love it.

[tmelvin]

DUDE do your research - AT&T have a 5 YEAR exclusiveness of the iPhone in the USA -

DUDE-Sorry...didn't know that, which is why I posted. By the way, DUDE is overused. Unless you're 14 years old, find something new...

[Surely]

Def. 3G model...My friend at Rogers told me 6mths ago that they were not interested in the Edge version because it is being phased out in favor of 3G.

Your friend didn't know anything. He/she was speculating based on rumors and gossip around the workplace and on the internet in lovely place like this. People who work for companies like to pretend that they have the inside track on important announcements. They don't. But it makes them feel important. Unless your friend is Ted Rogers or one of the high up executives, they didn't know sh**.


Anyway, I thought I'd chime in on this iPhone love-in and Rogers hate-in.

This is good news for Apple-loving Canadians. I would have bought one if I still lived in Toronto, but I moved to Los Angeles and bought one here instead.

Why is no one wondering what kind of deal Rogers made with Apple?

What will the iPhone's price be? You know it will be more than the $399/$499 pricing here. $499/$599? Most likely. And if they phase out the 8 GB, as has been rumored, then you'll see $599 as the starting price point? Yikes. Don't forget the ~$100 you'll want to spend on getting a decent set of iPhone headphones on top of that. And the 13% tax. Double and triple yikes.

What will the iPhone data plan be? It's not going to be $20 extra per month. $40 extra per month? $50? Will it even be unlimited? Will the data usage be capped? That is very possible, with the subscriber having to pay extra for anything they go over.

There are a lot of variables that need to be found out before everyone gets too excited. But it is good news.

To all those that are complaining that the price points are too high and are making the iPhone a luxury item: IT IS a luxury item. It isn't McDonald's, it's Morton's.

And yes, Roger's has 3G. It's not all over the country, but they have it in the major cities. And 3G devices are backwards compatible to EDGE.

Now about Rogers: I must say that for all the years that I was with Rogers, I had great service. I had excellent reception and decent customer service experiences. Not perfect, but decent. The worst (and only bad) thing that happened to me with Rogers was when I had to argue my way out of cancelation fees for two phones when we left for LA. It took over an hour because I had to retell my story to every new rep I was transferred to, but once I got to the right rep, they wiped the fees clean ($400), and all was good.

glennyboywpg -- most likely, depending on what unlock you used -- you will be able to restore your iPhone to the newest firmware (2.0...or later) once its released on Rogers which will allow you to activate it normally and you will have a warranty assuming this happens within the 1 year timeframe. (The new unlocks don't leave lasting damage/change so once the software is restored, it makes no difference, the iPhone warranty is conditional upon activation with one of the authorized service providers). If you're on a 1.0.2 unlocked phone its a slightly different story but its still doable.

I second that. You should be able to unlock it- check out iLiberty.

[glennyboiwpg]

glennyboywpg -- most likely, depending on what unlock you used -- you will be able to restore your iPhone to the newest firmware (2.0...or later) once its released on Rogers which will allow you to activate it normally and you will have a warranty assuming this happens within the 1 year timeframe. (The new unlocks don't leave lasting damage/change so once the software is restored, it makes no difference, the iPhone warranty is conditional upon activation with one of the authorized service providers). If you're on a 1.0.2 unlocked phone its a slightly different story but its still doable.

Every time a new country has been added there has been a new software version. As far as I know, if you buy a 1.1.4 phone in USA you can activate it on O2 in Britain and have no problem, the software just has to recognize the location, which current versions do not for rogers.

TheSpecialist - Since you don't have an iPhone, i don't see how you can speak so authoritatively about it and how the unlocking / software updating works, in any case, you're most likely incorrect given most of what i've read online and deduced from playing around with the software on my iPhone.


Thanks! This was the kind of info I was looking for.

you rock!

[adisor19]

In True Rogers fashion, they announce that the iPhone will finally be making its much-overdue appearance in Canadian stores. Whoop-de-****. I'd be excited if it weren't for the feact that it's being carried on Rogers' inferior network and supported by Rogers' FAR inferior infrastructure. Rogers has THE highest rates in Canada, THE worst customer service, um, anywhere, and THE WORST network infrastructure. Couple with the fact that they are easily hands-down the most expensive carrier in the country, and you're still stuck with a device that only the way-upper-middle class can afford while the rest of us go into hock over it. And of course, in true Apple fashion, the device will still cost 15% more than it does in the states, regardless of the dollar value.

But hey, the iPhone's coming!! Everyone do a little dance!!! We're lemmings!! We're Sheeple and we'll dance to anything!!

If, by some strange and highly unlikely twist of common sense, the iPhone comes to FIDO, or Rogers unveils a Fido-Like plan (in which one can get a $25 basic phone plan and $10/month UNLIMITED INTERNET), then this will become exciting news. As it stands, it is woefully obvious that Rogers couldn't give less of a **** about its customers, while Fido is constantly reworking its plans to offer lower costs and higher connectivity. The irony here is that both providers are owned by Rogers. I get that different brands offer different things to different people. I don't get why Rogers feels the need to stick it up its customer base's collective ass when it comes to cost vs. service.

What I'll likely do is stay with Rogers until the iPhone is released, pay the balance of my contract, and take my iPhone on over to Fido.


I agree that Robbers will rape us to no end with this. They already destroy us with their prices.

There's almost nothing left out of the old Fido. Only those that still have the old grandfathered plans have some sort of advantage.

We need more then 1 GSM provider in Canada and FAST.

Adi

[RebelScum]

It isn't McDonald's, it's Morton's.

heh, I love it :) I don't think anyone's arguing that the iPhone is NOT a lux item. Of course it is. Do you NEED an iPhone? Hellz no. Are there other, more affordable options available? HELLZ yes. Are they better? Well that's debateable, but in many cases, it's fair to say yes. At the end of the day, you want an iPhone because it's an iPhone. I have no illusions about that myself.

But you're right...we don't even know what Rogers will be offering. Personally, I'm rage-blind, but even speaking objectively, it's fair to look at their track record and make an educated guess as to just how taken advantage of the consumer is going to be. As someone posted earlier, lack of competition = gouging. Rogers can go ahead and charge whatever it wants for the iPhone and a plan, because they are now, officially, the only game in town. (hax0rz and unlocks notwithstanding).

The thing is, an unlimited data plan of $10/mo is not unrealistic as Fido has already set that precedent (provided it's not just WAP, as someone else on the thread pointed out...GAWD I hope that's inaccurate.) Even with the Fido example tho, BELL has a $7/mo unlimited Internet plan for the HTC Touch, and it works pretty damn well. If Rogers has any sense at all (and I have little faith that they do), they'll apply that philosophy (that being, "give the people what they want") and come up with a comparable plan. If they have a $60/month unlimited all-inclusive plan, I'm in. $70 is pushing it. $80 and up and I'm still better off getting the phone and disabling the Internet connection and using the built-in WiFi antenna instead. (Hooray for TO and it's millions of people who don't know how to hide their wireless connections) :P

EDIT: To all those pointing out that FIDO is ROGERS...yes, but it's the same as Banana Republic and the Gap...same owner, different brands. They are, for all intents and purposes, separate.

[drummerlondonw3]

I think the interesting thing about this is that it opens up the possibility that apple is not moving away from a single carrier agreement for the 3g iphone.

I dont see them introducing old technologies to a new market and it may mean that the current contracts are linked over time not by model.

Just my thoughts on this - what do you guys think? :apple::rolleyes:

[Surely]

heh, I love it :) I don't think anyone's arguing that the iPhone is NOT a lux item. Of course it is. Do you NEED an iPhone? Hellz no. Are there other, more affordable options available? HELLZ yes. Are they better? Well that's debateable, but in many cases, it's fair to say yes. At the end of the day, you want an iPhone because it's an iPhone. I have no illusions about that myself.

If you read some of the previous posts, you will see otherwise. They want it cheap or free, or Apple and Rogers should pay them for the honor of them buying an iPhone and using it on Rogers.


But you're right...we don't even know what Rogers will be offering. Personally, I'm rage-blind, but even speaking objectively, it's fair to look at their track record and make an educated guess as to just how taken advantage of the consumer is going to be. As someone posted earlier, lack of competition = gouging. Rogers can go ahead and charge whatever it wants for the iPhone and a plan, because they are now, officially, the only game in town. (hax0rz and unlocks notwithstanding).

The thing is, an unlimited data plan of $10/mo is not unrealistic as Fido has already set that precedent (provided it's not just WAP, as someone else on the thread pointed out...GAWD I hope that's inaccurate.) Even with the Fido example tho, BELL has a $7/mo unlimited Internet plan for the HTC Touch, and it works pretty damn well. If Rogers has any sense at all (and I have little faith that they do), they'll apply that philosophy (that being, "give the people what they want") and come up with a comparable plan. If they have a $60/month unlimited all-inclusive plan, I'm in. $70 is pushing it. $80 and up and I'm still better off getting the phone and disabling the Internet connection and using the built-in WiFi antenna instead. (Hooray for TO and it's millions of people who don't know how to hide their wireless connections) :P



I don't think you'll see the cheap data plans that you are hoping for. The best way to make an educated guess as to what will be, is to look at the current AT&T pricing and to realize that Rogers' pricing will be higher. There is no way that there will be a $10/month unlimited data plan for the iPhone. That's crazy talk. The Fido WAP thing that you are referring to is accurate, BTW.

Rogers will not do anything that will cause them to lose money. This deal was made because it will make Rogers money, not because they wanted to be the cool kids with the iPhones in Canada. In other words, they will not offer cheap data plans that will cause them to provide more service than they are being paid for.

[twoodcc]

great for those in Canada. i guess he can't tell us anything else, b/c he probably knows about the 3G iphone that's coming

[kockgunner]

it's not gonna be fun unlocking iphones anymore :(

[Obi-Wan Kubrick]

Good news for our neighbors to the North. I have read a lot of comments wishing for this.

[psxp]

DUDE-Sorry...didn't know that, which is why I posted. By the way, DUDE is overused. Unless you're 14 years old, find something new...

no worries, I'm just a caught in a time warp :D

cheers

[igglepuff]

You're right! Now that we can't complain about having no iPhone, we should find new things to complain about! I like where you're going with this.

hah. isnt fido's $10 unlimited on wap browsing only also, much like rogers $7 (pos) 'unlimited internet' plan? ew.

as mentioned, rogers wont have a super browsing plan, period. they are the worst data prices and dont need to change it, as they have a monopoly. if the tier plan comes out ever similar to what was rumored, then goign up per level, i could see rogers offering an iphone package (well, the data part that is) for 35-45$/mo roughly, though 35 would be stretching it... and capped at 1-2gb max. Or *unlimited and will consider anything over 1.5-2gb abuse and you'll be charged/warned.

all the useles csr's have said once they get it well be able to use existing phones on the plan, but.. that's to be seen if theyll allow non-rogers branded phones on the iphone plan.. roger's csrs are 99% wrong and useless on everything :|. i sure hope so, so I can use my iphone on a proper plan for a while since the phone will be way overpriced, like every other handheld they offer:P (ok, maybe well get lucky and theyll have a discount on a 3yr term contract.. ew.)

[igglepuff]

The thing is, an unlimited data plan of $10/mo is not unrealistic as Fido has already set that precedent (provided it's not just WAP, as someone else on the thread pointed out...GAWD I hope that's inaccurate.) Even with the Fido example tho, BELL has a $7/mo unlimited Internet plan for the HTC Touch, and it works pretty damn well. If Rogers has any sense at all (and I have little faith that they do), they'll apply that philosophy (that being, "give the people what they want") and come up with a comparable plan. If they have a $60/month unlimited all-inclusive plan, I'm in. $70 is pushing it. $80 and up and I'm still better off getting the phone and disabling the Internet connection and using the built-in WiFi antenna instead. (Hooray for TO and it's millions of people who don't know how to hide their wireless connections) :P

EDIT: To all those pointing out that FIDO is ROGERS...yes, but it's the same as Banana Republic and the Gap...same owner, different brands. They are, for all intents and purposes, separate.

i have no 'sources' just speculation, however, i'm pretty sure ti wont be $60 unlimited. they may offer a $60 plan with some data, but I can't seei tbeing unlimited or anythign above 500mb. there woudl be WAY too many BB and WM users on their case more then now, seeing as wm users get 500 MB for $80 (i know about the aircard plan, they are tightening it up now..) im guessing it wil be 40-45 roughly for *unlimited or 1-2gb, data alone, for teh iphone on a 3yr plan a voice also.. its how they work.. i'm seeing $75 roughly for an acceptable plan form them.

.. maybe rogers plans on blowing us away with a reasonable price plan....

i just made myself chuckle.

[wolfshades]

DUDE-Sorry...didn't know that, which is why I posted. By the way, DUDE is overused. Unless you're 14 years old, find something new...

Sorry babe.

[morespce54]

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This is good for Canada. Do most people like Rogers as a provider in Canada or are they like AT&T in the US?

No, No... Not at all... Rogers is... much worst ;)

[sho38]

Your friend didn't know anything. He/she was speculating based on rumors and gossip around the workplace and on the internet in lovely place like this. People who work for companies like to pretend that they have the inside track on important announcements. They don't. But it makes them feel important. Unless your friend is Ted Rogers or one of the high up executives, they didn't know sh**.


Surely, you don't know who my friend is and you surely is quick to jump the gun! I did not get this info from csr or the secretary...No, it is not Ted Rogers but someone who is involved in this. My source quoted to me before the new year that a 3G unit will be out in 2008 and that Rogers was working to secure the deal with the 3G iphone.

The EDGE unit was once considered for Rogers but after a certain time frame had passed and an agreement wasnt reached that Rogers decided that it is for the best interest to wait for the 3G unit. The EDGE network is being phased out so they would rather focus their energy on the 3G network.

[Virgil-TB2]

DUDE, you dont understand.. ROGERS (and Fido who are ROGERS) are the ONLY GSM company in Canada. The iPhone is GSM.

People, get a basic understanding of the technology here in Canada. Its not all Rosy !!Dood!

You need to read what I wrote more closely. ;)

[psychofreak]

I wonder how many people who would have bought it on Rogers last year now have bought or will buy one just to unlock it.

[Surely]

Surely, you don't know who my friend is and you surely is quick to jump the gun! I did not get this info from csr or the secretary...No, it is not Ted Rogers but someone who is involved in this. My source quoted to me before the new year that a 3G unit will be out in 2008 and that Rogers was working to secure the deal with the 3G iphone.

The EDGE unit was once considered for Rogers but after a certain time frame had passed and an agreement wasnt reached that Rogers decided that it is for the best interest to wait for the 3G unit. The EDGE network is being phased out so they would rather focus their energy on the 3G network.

You're right. I don't know who your friend is. I don't know who you are. So until you cite a source for your information, your friend is non-existent and you are making everything up for attention.

Even I knew before the new year that the 3G iPhone would be out in 2008, and I'm not on the inside. The AT&T CEO announced that. (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/29/3g-iphone-due-in-2008/)

My friend's brother's roommate's cousin told me like 6 months ago that the iPhone is coming!:rolleyes:

[Hawkeye411]

Now many of the losers who sell unlocked iPhone to Canadians on Ebay or out of their garage will have to find REAL jobs LMAO.

All you resellers in Canada better start selling your stock off really cheap LMAO

Cheers,
:):apple:

[tmelvin]

Sorry babe.

Babe??? hhhmmmm...not so sure on that one. As long as you don't try to spoon with me I guess it's okay.

[Legolamb]

Rogers/Fido data plan rate will be the deal breaker for me. But, thank you to all you early adopters for beta testing the phone for me :)

[SilvorX]

We Americans made sure that when you Canadians got your iPhones, you'd have SDK and 3G. So, you're welcome.

Uh.. It could have been Rogers' nitpicking like they always like to do to get their way, Rogers has been heavily (or somewhat) promoting their 3G network, so they wanted ads with "with such 3G phones as the iPhone <and some terrible flip phones>"

[Anderson3133]

That's what I'm wondering.. anyone reading this thread know if Rogers can support 3g?

Canadian ex-pat in Florida

Yes it can. And RIM has also been testing it's Blackberry 9000 with 3.5G Capabilities on the Rogers Network.

[Agurri]

Rogers is 3G enabled ( as is Fido ).

If Rogers don't introduce cheaper data rates, the iPhone will be a luxury item ( for mobile internet ).

It's going to cost an arm and a leg.

But hell, it's about bloody time.

[RebelScum]

Rogers/Fido data plan rate will be the deal breaker for me. But, thank you to all you early adopters for beta testing the phone for me :)

HAHA! Agreed!! At least I won't be paying the Stupid Tax on this one :)

[tutubibi]

Knowing Rogers, plans will probably be something like:

$50 for:

- 500 minutes talk (with other Rogers customers only)
- 50 SMS (to other Rogers customers only)
- Unlimited Data (designated sites only)

Add Network Fee ($7) and some other stuff, then tax so it will be minimum $70/month for a privilege of having fruity phone ;)

[queshy]

lol, what do I do with the 32 gb iPod touch I just bought? hah

[jholzner]

Knowing Rogers, plans will probably be something like:

$50 for:

- 500 minutes talk (with other Rogers customers only)
- 50 SMS (to other Rogers customers only)
- Unlimited Data (designated sites only)

Add Network Fee ($7) and some other stuff, then tax so it will be minimum $70/month for a privilege of having fruity phone ;)

Well, 70 US is what I pay now with ATT. Granted it doesn't have those restrictions and I get 200 texts but I'll assume you are being a bit sarcastic with those restrictions.

[Anderson3133]

Well, 70 US is what I pay now with ATT. Granted it doesn't have those restrictions and I get 200 texts but I'll assume you are being a bit sarcastic with those restrictions.

Yep. Rogers is known for it's stupid decisions in pricing. For example 4MB of data on a blackberry will last a day! and that's their one restriction.

[belancraig]

Knowing Rogers, plans will probably be something like:

$50 for:

- 500 minutes talk (with other Rogers customers only)
- 50 SMS (to other Rogers customers only)
- Unlimited Data (designated sites only)

Add Network Fee ($7) and some other stuff, then tax so it will be minimum $70/month for a privilege of having fruity phone ;)


Hahahaha That sounds about right. Oh Rogers, it's funny how little they care about other people. I don't know how they are allowed to operate how they do.

Oh and for the previous person that quoted this post. Ya, they are being quite sarcastic. Rogers does think they are god....well Teddy does own about half of Canada and almost all of Toronto :P

[KevanDual2.5]

Nice to see that Ted has moved on from 3,2,1.

I thought he was dead!

[tutubibi]

Well, 70 US is what I pay now with ATT. Granted it doesn't have those restrictions and I get 200 texts but I'll assume you are being a bit sarcastic with those restrictions.

I was more trying to point to the ridiculously limiting "small print" always present in everything Rogers offers. :)

[Full of Win]

America's hat is getting the iPhone - well good for them. :D. Have the got 10.5 yet? We all know they are a little slow - eh.

[EngBrian]

Now about Rogers: I must say that for all the years that I was with Rogers, I had great service. I had excellent reception and decent customer service experiences. Not perfect, but decent. The worst (and only bad) thing that happened to me with Rogers was when I had to argue my way out of cancelation fees for two phones when we left for LA. It took over an hour because I had to retell my story to every new rep I was transferred to, but once I got to the right rep, they wiped the fees clean ($400), and all was good.



How did you manage getting out of the contract without the $400 cancellation fee? forced transfer story?

[ebouwman]

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finaly!

[kixsand]

Well...as easy as it would have been to let this forum and its tone get me down...I'm still jazzed about the iPhone coming to Canada.

I think we'll see that the iPhone coming to Canada will be a good thing for Canadians. Apple has been inflexible with regard to the data plans that the carrier offer their customers -- unlimited access at reasonable rates -- and I don't think Rogers would have been able to get them to back off on that. There are new players entering the cellular landscape in Canada that would be building networks that would work with the iPhone. I really think that Rogers held off Apple and their customers as long as they could. In the end they didn't want to risk losing the iPhone to another carrier. My bet is that they see increased competition and downward pricing pressure on the horizon anyways -- it now costs $400 to break your plan with them?

June.

kixsand

[Plutonius]

Surely, you don't know who my friend is and you surely is quick to jump the gun! I did not get this info from csr or the secretary...No, it is not Ted Rogers but someone who is involved in this. My source quoted to me before the new year that a 3G unit will be out in 2008 and that Rogers was working to secure the deal with the 3G iphone.

The EDGE unit was once considered for Rogers but after a certain time frame had passed and an agreement wasnt reached that Rogers decided that it is for the best interest to wait for the 3G unit. The EDGE network is being phased out so they would rather focus their energy on the 3G network.

Does it really matter if it's 3G if the cost to send / receive data is prohibitive. Yes you can download video but would you want to on Rogers ?

[Headrush69]

Does it really matter if it's 3G if the cost to send / receive data is prohibitive. Yes you can download video but would you want to on Rogers ?

Exactly.

Canada's data rates are amongst the most expensive in the world.
What's the use of having an iPhone that lets you surf web pages, (as designed), if you are restricted to provider chosen areas/pages?

[Surely]

America's hat is getting the iPhone - well good for them. :D. Have the got 10.5 yet? We all know they are a little slow - eh.

You. Are. Hilarious. You are the winner.

I think the best parts of your comment are the spelling and grammar errors in your lame joke about Canadians being slow. Typical. Oh, and nice signature BTW. Very topical :rolleyes:


How did you manage getting out of the contract without the $400 cancellation fee? forced transfer story?

No, not at all. It's a long story, but the gist of it is that the cellphone store sales rep lied to us to get us to sign up with Rogers (regarding the contract and cancelation fees). My phone call to close my account went from: "I don't believe you and there's absolutely no way we are allowed to remove cancelation fees. It's not even possible," to "Ok, we can cut them in half for you," to "Ok, I understand where you're coming from. We're sorry. Don't worry about the fees. Thank you for being loyal customers. Please come back if you return to Canada."
My family has been Rogers customers since '79, and when I finally got to the last rep, he said, "Wow, you guys have been customers longer than I've been alive. That's loyalty. We'll take care of you."

[newno55]

I don't see why this is such a big deal. Crazy data rates, offered by a company that missed the boat by over a year and who will probably over charge for it anyways!!

I bought my iPhone on ebay within the first 2 weeks. If you look hard enough, you will always find a sucker ($270 :D). Sold the phone Rogers gave me for signing a contract, and i paid a total difference of about 150 dollars.

iPhones are so terribly easy to hack and unbrick anyways. Even more so now than before.

That being said, some people are not as tech-savvy as others and want to be able to buy it from a legit carrier... blah blah. I say, those people probably don't need an iPhone anyways! Unlocking now is just as easy as performing a legit apple update or any other software restore.

Oh well, a happy day for some none-the-less :apple: :)

ps: hope the new iPhone doesn't look like that ugly matte black thing!! :confused:

[!¡ V ¡!]

Finally, Rogers and :apple: can overcharge the unaware Canadian into overpriced data and voice plans. :rolleyes:

[M!K]

FINALLY!!! I can't wait to have a 3G iPhone and never having to worry about it getting bricked!

Me tooo!!! I've got an iPhone with Rogers in Canada right now, ut my iPhone has to be jailbroken and all this stuff. + I can't wait to see the iPhone plan for Canada! Finally, I'll be able to go on the Internet at low cost while traveling!!

This is so exciting!! Today, I'm looooving Apple & Rogers!!!

[!¡ V ¡!]

My family has been Rogers customers since '79, and when I finally got to the last rep, he said, "Wow, you guys have been customers longer than I've been alive. That's loyalty. We'll take care of you."

So your family and yourself have been held hostage by Rogers since '79. Well the good news is you finally found a way out of they trap. Better late than never. ;)

[!¡ V ¡!]

This is so exciting!! Today, I'm looooving Apple & Rogers!!!

Until they release they absurd pricing. Then rage will be your only expressed emotion. :p

[Surely]

So your family and yourself have been held hostage by Rogers since '79. Well the good news is you finally found a way out of they trap. Better late than never. ;)

I see that you did the little winky emoticon, but I don't agree with your comments. We didn't feel trapped nor ripped off while we were customers with Rogers. My mother is still with them for everything- cable, internet, phone, and wireless, and is very happy with her service. Please don't put words in my mouth.:)

[!¡ V ¡!]

I see that you did the little winky emoticon, but I don't agree with your comments. We didn't feel trapped nor ripped off while we were customers with Rogers. My mother is still with them for everything- cable, internet, phone, and wireless, and is very happy with her service. Please don't put words in my mouth.:)

Actually I am neither with Rogers or Bell, they both seem to have terrible service and customer service alike. I have been with non-major service providers for a few years now and thinking back to when I was a customer with Rogers and Bell I feel silly to not have ditched them earlier.

However to each they own. I personally know many disgruntle customer that are stuck in some contract with either or both companies. Never again for me. I cannot believe I was paying so much for so little before. :)

[Wharrgarbl]

Hundreds of thousands of Canadians already have one. Hundreds of thousands? Do you mean Thousands?

And zero Canadians have a 3G iPhone.

[Hawkeye411]

Yea .... my Rogers digital cable has been fine and my internet (cable modem) is excellent.

[Chef Medeski]

In True Rogers fashion, they announce that the iPhone will finally be making its much-overdue appearance in Canadian stores. Whoop-de-****. I'd be excited if it weren't for the feact that it's being carried on Rogers' inferior network and supported by Rogers' FAR inferior infrastructure. Rogers has THE highest rates in Canada, THE worst customer service, um, anywhere, and THE WORST network infrastructure. Couple with the fact that they are easily hands-down the most expensive carrier in the country, and you're still stuck with a device that only the way-upper-middle class can afford while the rest of us go into hock over it. And of course, in true Apple fashion, the device will still cost 15% more than it does in the states, regardless of the dollar value.

But hey, the iPhone's coming!! Everyone do a little dance!!! We're lemmings!! We're Sheeple and we'll dance to anything!!

If, by some strange and highly unlikely twist of common sense, the iPhone comes to FIDO, or Rogers unveils a Fido-Like plan (in which one can get a $25 basic phone plan and $10/month UNLIMITED INTERNET), then this will become exciting news. As it stands, it is woefully obvious that Rogers couldn't give less of a **** about its customers, while Fido is constantly reworking its plans to offer lower costs and higher connectivity. The irony here is that both providers are owned by Rogers. I get that different brands offer different things to different people. I don't get why Rogers feels the need to stick it up its customer base's collective ass when it comes to cost vs. service.

What I'll likely do is stay with Rogers until the iPhone is released, pay the balance of my contract, and take my iPhone on over to Fido.
You do realize that Rogers owns Fido and that Rogers/Fido is the only network that the iPhone would work on for internet? So yesh its coming to the worst network, but its also the only. Bienvenue au Canada. Gotta love non-competition.

[Chef Medeski]

Agreed...that's peanuts.

The best data + voice plan I've found in Canada is Fido: $35 (unlim. eve + WE, 200 mins, unlimited inbound, by-the-second) + $10 Data (Unlimited internet & SMS, 5¢/KB for downloads) + $6 SAF + Taxes = $57.63.

Bell's data rate is lower, but the phone rates aren't as good. Rogers has you bent over a table, so don't even look there. No idea re. Telus.
But that plan does not cover anything but phones. No PDAs/BlackBerry. The reason they know that they take far more data than phones on the internet.

So it'll be interesting to see if anyone can afford this. I mean I want an iPhone but at anything higher than $25 premium for data, not even unlimited but merely a reasonable amount, is ridiculous when I already have to pay $45 for a half-decent voice plan. I mean $70 each month for a vastly limited plan. Sorry.

Heres to hope pries will happily reflect last year, when ATT lowered the price while increasing the bar. Pray Apple works their magic, if anyone could break it it would be them.

[EngBrian]

No, not at all. It's a long story, but the gist of it is that the cellphone store sales rep lied to us to get us to sign up with Rogers (regarding the contract and cancelation fees). My phone call to close my account went from: "I don't believe you and there's absolutely no way we are allowed to remove cancelation fees. It's not even possible," to "Ok, we can cut them in half for you," to "Ok, I understand where you're coming from. We're sorry. Don't worry about the fees. Thank you for being loyal customers. Please come back if you return to Canada."
My family has been Rogers customers since '79, and when I finally got to the last rep, he said, "Wow, you guys have been customers longer than I've been alive. That's loyalty. We'll take care of you."

Cool well it is good to hear that they took care of you. I am with Telus right now because I had bad experiences with Rogers customer service (mostly sales reps in store). But it is good to hear that if you get the right people it can work out. But I know of someone who was able to get out of a contract because of a business relocation to an area that they didn't cover so figured you would have been in that sort of situation in LA.

Cheers.

[Chef Medeski]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A102 Safari/419.3)

if Canada gets the 3g iPhone before Scotland I ain't going to be happy. Lol.
Seriously you guys are going to love it.
30 million vs. 5.5 million

Next door neighbors vs. Half way around the world from Infinite Loop

for some reason, I believe its more than justified, no offence, but there are reasons.

[Chef Medeski]

What will the iPhone's price be? You know it will be more than the $399/$499 pricing here. $499/$599? Most likely. And if they phase out the 8 GB, as has been rumored, then you'll see $599 as the starting price point? Yikes. Don't forget the ~$100 you'll want to spend on getting a decent set of iPhone headphones on top of that. And the 13% tax. Double and triple yikes.

Well looking at recent pricing, its been pretty much at par, bar $10-50 difference on big ticket items. And the tax has been reduced again since you've left. ONLY 12% now! :D

[EngBrian]

Finally, Rogers and :apple: can overcharge the unaware Canadian into overpriced data and voice plans. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't say we are unaware. I would like to think that average person knows that data is expensive here in Canada but people seem to be willing to pay it; not me but some.

Hopefully they will, in fact, bring in reasonable data plans (if so not just for iPhone) and my guess would be that they make more money from that then they do from crazy high data rates, based solely on an increase of data plan subscribers. It seems all you have to say is that there will be unlimited access to facebook with uploading and downloading pictures and that would be enough for half the people. :)

[Chef Medeski]

iPhones are so terribly easy to hack and unbrick anyways. Even more so now than before.

That being said, some people are not as tech-savvy as others and want to be able to buy it from a legit carrier... blah blah. I say, those people probably don't need an iPhone anyways! Unlocking now is just as easy as performing a legit apple update or any other software restore.
I've been thinking about it. But the fact that there is no unlimited plan and only a $0.05/kb charge, I decided its a bit expensive. I'm hoping that this news also brings about reasonable data plans.

[quigleybc]

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[quigleybc]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot

phew



yes, after a full day, i'm still excited

even after reading all the comments about pricing, getting 'raped' (lol) by Rogers, and all the other comments.

The Cell phone industry in Canada is barbaric, horrific, illegal, and insane. But


without the iPhone. it was UNBEARABLE. I was abooot to cancel my stupid contract with Rogers, i just couldn't wait anymore. But, I said I'd wait till June.

I'm sure the Plans in Canada will be pricey

Not having to feel like the AppleGhetto country without the iPhone anymore.....priceless

[brad.c]

America's hat is getting the iPhone - well good for them. :D. Have the got 10.5 yet? We all know they are a little slow - eh.

America's hat? I think we found Canada's mat. We'll slide a key under you for emergencies.

[biggd]

i am buying 2! yeahhh

[RebelScum]

America's hat is getting the iPhone - well good for them. :D. Have the got 10.5 yet? We all know they are a little slow - eh.

Since I know you couldn't find it on a map, I'll give you credit for listening in Geography long enough to know that Canada is in fact north of the US. Good for you.

Regardless, I know how much y'all love yer big-ass redneck hats, but I prefer to think of the US as Canada's Toilet. Not usually mind you...just when I come across the truly ignorant. You know...they type who use Barack Obama "I won't wear the flag" quotes when posting on message boards in a desperate attempt to appear either informed, esoteric, or both.

Cannigetta Yee-Haw?

[colenbjw]

Cool well it is good to hear that they took care of you. I am with Telus right now because I had bad experiences with Rogers customer service (mostly sales reps in store). But it is good to hear that if you get the right people it can work out. But I know of someone who was able to get out of a contract because of a business relocation to an area that they didn't cover so figured you would have been in that sort of situation in LA.

Cheers.

I was with Telus for many years - about the time they came to Ontario; switched to Bell a year ago with promises of reduced costs by 'pooling' minutes and better customer service; nothing but broken promises. For my business, as far as mobile phone carriers, I figure I'll just stick with the devil I know - all Canadian phone companies (mobile or landline) are equally good at screwing us.

Psyched out of my face about the iPhone in Canada tho - maybe a good reason to switch to Rogers when it eventually makes it! It'll be interesting to hear about the first months' bills!

[graymccarty]

Since I know you couldn't find it on a map, I'll give you credit for listening in Geography long enough to know that Canada is in fact north of the US. Good for you.

Regardless, I know how much y'all love yer big-ass redneck hats, but I prefer to think of the US as Canada's Toilet. Not usually mind you...just when I come across the truly ignorant. You know...they type who use Barack Obama "I won't wear the flag" quotes when posting on message boards in a desperate attempt to appear either informed, esoteric, or both.

Cannigetta Yee-Haw?

Thank you.

You and the iPhone announcement have just made my day.

(But one a little more than the other :) )

[wiseguy]

The largest Apple Store in Canada will open in Montreal this summer. It will be the perfect timing to launch the iPhone 3G in Canada with Rogers and Jobs in Montreal. Go Habs Go !!!

[Teddy's]

Well it was an exciting day. Now back to reality.

Bill, bill, second notice, bill, collector, third notice, bill, Axxs shampoo sample...

Meh!mac

[JamSandwich]

With rollover minutes, I'd be fine with an equivalent value to the $60 iPhone plan (and I currently pay just $20 a month for a Virgin Mobile phone).

Problem is when you roll in system access fees and look at existing mobile pricing in Canada, I don't see it happening. (BTW, I don't think any provider is particularly better than the others -- I was shopping around for a non-pay-as-you-go phone and to me, the plans are all equally expensive among the three major carriers).

I hope the iPhone brings some improved competition to the marketplace, but I wonder if Apple and the clamour for their phone were really enough of a combination to make that happen. I'd like to see it, and I don't think it's impossible... but I also don't think it's probable.

[mynameismatt89]

Will Rogers do the same?

http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=1017

[Fabio_gsilva]

Well, it is time to Steve look to Brazil!!!

If he has Canada in his map, why would not he slip his eyes a little to the south and start selling the iPhone here, too?

Come on! We have almost 100 millions of people with cel phones here! Its a giant market to explore!!!! Way bigger than Canadian market!!!

[ebouwman]

Well, it is time to Steve look to Brazil!!!

If he has Canada in his map, why would not he slip his eyes a little to the south and start selling the iPhone here, too?

Come on! We have almost 100 millions of people with cel phones here! Its a giant market to explore!!!! Way bigger than Canadian market!!!

There are tones of markets that are bigger than canada.

[RebelScum]

There are tones of markets that are bigger than canada.

S'true. ~40 Million really is of little concern, market-share speaking.

Unless, of course, you consider that Canada is the major trade partner with the US, that cross-border population pollution is higher here than anywhere else in the world (in terns of per cap), the fact that our dollar is almost equal to the US and yet, thanks to half-assed trade laws (including but not limited to things like NAFTA), we still get to pay an extra 15-20% for the same device...

I could rant on...but at the end of the day, when you price a device so high so as to only make it available to maybe 15% of the market, which Rogers will almost certainly do...yes, I agree, Canada's market is likely of little concern to Apple. Add to that the inherent difficulty in bringing new mobile tech here, thanks to our shoddy infrastructure, and you wind up with an endeavour that's more trouble than it's worth.

Stupid effin' Rogers :P

[zainjetha]

BRILLIANT!!!! I WAS HOPING THIS WOULD HAPPEN

i live in the UK and I always come to Canada every summer just for a month durning vacation/holiday, and i get all gadgets there coz its almost half the price cheaper in the UK... HAHA I get a cheaper iPhone...

[bytethese]

So Canada finally got the iPhone eh? :)

[RebelScum]

So Canada finally got the iPhone eh? :)

Yeah, eh? How aboot that. Now if only we could get a whole mile of paved road we'd be in business.

[newno55]

I've been thinking about it. But the fact that there is no unlimited plan and only a $0.05/kb charge, I decided its a bit expensive. I'm hoping that this news also brings about reasonable data plans.


haha yeah, me too. I currently don't even have a data play with my iPhone- much too expensive. I often read emails on the go etc. and sometimes if theres pictures and stuff... they are in the megabytes!... and rogers wants to charge per kilobyte?!?!?

Living in the city, theres always someones wifi you can borrow. Friends houses, school campuses etc. Its a minor hassle :/

[OttawaGuy]

Apple may agree to a “virtually unlimited” plan with Rogers for $35 a month (excluding voice) with data usage of 100 or 200 megabytes per month, the analyst suggested, adding that this should be more than sufficient. Apple could also insist that an “all-in” voice and data plan include things like free call features. Combined plans such as this, with 250 to 500 anytime minutes and unlimited evenings/weekend calls after 9 p.m., may cost $80 to $100 per month, Mr. Allen suggested.

As for the price Rogers will charge for the iPhone, he expects it will be around $399 for the 8 gigabyte version, with a three-year contract.


National Post
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/tradingdesk/archive/2008/04/30/what-to-expect-from-rogers-iphone-offering.aspx

[bonafide]

I've been without a cell phone contract for the past two years awaiting this news. I am very excited about this and I simply cannot wait. Rogers better do something with their data plans if they want the launch to be a success. Not much point having an iPhone capable of doing great things but limited by the crappy network or high rate plans.

[Shackler]

So can the pricing guesses and rumors start now.
if it does drop to $200 in the US of A, i would assume $250 here in Canada.

[MacGohil]

Two words! "Whinners thread!"

U got an Iphone.... suck it up.... Coz the whinning aint gonna stop even if Jobs and Rogers/Fido/O2/Vodafone presented the IPhone on a golden platter in Canada/US/NZ.... or anywhere.... there will still be whinners...

[kixsand]

So Canada finally got the iPhone eh? :)

Don't make me come down there and kick your a$$.

kixsand

[ebouwman]

S'true. ~40 Million really is of little concern, market-share speaking.

Unless, of course, you consider that Canada is the major trade partner with the US, that cross-border population pollution is higher here than anywhere else in the world (in terns of per cap), the fact that our dollar is almost equal to the US and yet, thanks to half-assed trade laws (including but not limited to things like NAFTA), we still get to pay an extra 15-20% for the same device...

I could rant on...but at the end of the day, when you price a device so high so as to only make it available to maybe 15% of the market, which Rogers will almost certainly do...yes, I agree, Canada's market is likely of little concern to Apple. Add to that the inherent difficulty in bringing new mobile tech here, thanks to our shoddy infrastructure, and you wind up with an endeavour that's more trouble than it's worth.

Stupid effin' Rogers :P

Yeah, NAFTA and our trade agreements are ************, especially when we let the rules be ignored, *cough* softwood lumber *cough*

Really though, apple doesn't have to worry about infrastructure, that's not they're problem.

Two words! "Whinners thread!"

U got an Iphone.... suck it up.... Coz the whinning aint gonna stop even if Jobs and Rogers/Fido/O2/Vodafone presented the IPhone on a golden platter in Canada/US/NZ.... or anywhere.... there will still be whinners...

No, you are whinning. If you don't like it, steer clear, and if you still hate that bit of whinning you may here, go crawl under a rock.

[generationxwing]

What's the use of having an iPhone that lets you surf web pages, (as designed), if you are restricted to provider chosen areas/pages?

There is absolutely ZERO chance that Apple would allow such restrictions on the iPhone. This is one of the dumbest things I've read on the Macrumours forums in a long time. Wow.

[wirelessbob]

I'm glad to hear the iphone is in Canada now but come on..... a phone is just a consumer electronic. They shouldn't be locked to the network. If people had to buy a TV from Rogers then we would see a lot more PO..ed PPL....:cool:

[goosnarrggh]

I'm glad to hear the iphone is in Canada now but come on..... a phone is just a consumer electronic. They shouldn't be locked to the network. If people had to buy a TV from Rogers then we would see a lot more PO..ed PPL....:cool:

To be pragmatic for a moment, within the Canadian marketplace, there's not much to distinguish between a locked GSM phone and an unlocked GSM phone - even if you do happen to have an unlocked GSM phone in Canada, there is still only one company with the necessary infrastructure be able to provide you with nation-wide service.

It's not just that Bell and Telus are being arbitrarily denied permission to sell/service iPhones - there's also the simple fact that the iPhone uses an underlying technology which none of the competitors are currently equipped to work with. Even if Apple desperately wanted to allow it, Bell and Telus are technologically incapable of taking pieces of the iPhone pie.

Unlocking any GSM phone from the network is only really beneficial for Canadian consumers if they happen to travel outside the country frequently and want to avoid roaming charges by using a local prepaid SIM card.

Maybe someday there'll be real competition among GSM network service providers in Canada - but right now it's a choice of Rogers/Fido or no service at all.

There is absolutely ZERO chance that Apple would allow such restrictions on the iPhone. This is one of the dumbest things I've read on the Macrumours forums in a long time. Wow.
It's just extrapolating from Rogers' existing "unlimited" data plan - which does place restrictions on the types of data traffic which are allowed to flow, the titles of applications on the handheld device which are allowed to initiate the data transfer, and the nature of the content being delivered to the application. If any attempt is made to access data that falls outside these restrictions, the regular per-kilobyte fares apply.

Until we see any evidence to the contrary (eg a formal description of the pricing plan) it's just as reasonable to assume Rogers will continue with its current practices as it is to predict anything else.

[psxp]

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Until we see any evidence to the contrary (eg a formal description of the pricing plan) it's just as reasonable to assume Rogers will continue with its current practices as it is to predict anything else.


goosnarrggh, totally great post. Consumers in Canada need to make it more obvious what they want here and not just take what they're given from the likes of Robbers and Bell .

I've read a few commentaries in the papers here in Canada on how the current pricing will make the iPhone expensive etc.

[ebouwman]

I'm glad to hear the iphone is in Canada now but come on..... a phone is just a consumer electronic. They shouldn't be locked to the network. If people had to buy a TV from Rogers then we would see a lot more PO..ed PPL....:cool:

Ok, so get an unlocked iPhone in canada. Then where are you going to go? Back to Rogers?

[jodelli]

Ok, so get an unlocked iPhone in canada. Then where are you going to go? Back to Rogers?

Or never leave, take the sim out of the Nokia, install in iPhone. wave magic wand...

[colinmack]

Yeah, eh? How aboot that. Now if only we could get a whole mile of paved road we'd be in business.

Do you know Jim? I think he's from Canada.

I've actually been asked something similar 3 or 4 times...

When I was younger on vacation in Myrtle Beach, my friend and I spent 30-40 minutes trying to convince two girls on the beach that we *didn't* live among igloos, Mounties, and dogsleds...we eventually gave up. Shook our heads for ages over that one.

(proudly from Ottawa)

[candan9019]

This probably isn't that big of a deal but there is a placemark for the iPhone on the apple.ca website that is quoted out. Has it been there for a while or is this something new? (yes I have nothing better to do than look at the source for apple's website)

<li id="gn-apple"><a href="/ca/">Apple</a></li>
<li id="gn-store"><a href="/ca/store/">Store</a></li>
<li id="gn-mac"><a href="/ca/mac/">Mac</a></li>
<li id="gn-ipoditunes"><a href="/ca/itunes/">iPod + iTunes</a></li>
<!--<li id="gn-iphone"><a href="/iphone/">iPhone</a></li>-->
<li id="gn-downloads"><a href="/ca/downloads/">Downloads</a></li>
<li id="gn-support"><a href="/ca/support/">Support</a></li>

[bonafide]

I chatted with a Roger phone rep in one of their stores about a week ago and he said that the iPhone will be here "hopefully before September."

[Zubin]

Oh it better be before September....

[trekkie604]

Don't make me come down there and kick your a$$.

kixsand

you guys out east say 'out' weirdly too :P

[Clipse79]

This thing could be in the stores any day after announcement. Rogers employes know nothing about any of their new phones. My wife picked up a LG VU and I knew more about it than the sales guy. I`m not worried about training or anything like that effecting release. IT better be like 200-250$ on a 3yr contract or forget it

[brockm]

I wonder what for... :)

[queshy]

I wonder what for... :)

nice find. +1 rep!
I'll notify arn...

[slicecom]

Nice find! I hope we don't have to wait much longer to get the iPhone 2.0 than the rest of the world!

[Clipse79]

Well since they have recently somewhat got their website in order maybe? OH BABY COMMON!!!!!

[slicecom]

ITS OFFICIAL!!! It will be out in Canada on July 11th!

http://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/countries/

:)

FINALLY!!!

[marclapierre13]

rejoice! the iphone, 3g, is now in canada, offered through fido or rogers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[slicecom]

Well, Rogers updated their site...

Duhhhh I wonder what it could be???

[OttawaGuy]

It's a hot pocket.;)

[slicecom]

It's a hot pocket.;)

A really big one! :eek:

[scan]

holy mother mary and joseph I'm so stoked!

[lamina]

Any guesses on if it will be available as pay as you go? Think I'll be able to buy the handset and not extend my contract?

[nateco]

would it be so hard to stick two radios in the thing..GSM and cdma.

[naftalim]

I have been thinking for quite a while as to how Rogers will deal with the iPhone. Obviously, one major change that Apple has made since the intro of iPhone 1.0 is that they have dropped the revenue share and allowed the carriers to subsidize the phone (meaning lock you into a contract) This is a sad change as it means the carriers are back in the drivers seat.

So, will Rogers do what it has always done, price this thing to hell or will the be bold and introduce Rogers 2.0 where they provide unlimited bandwidth for a low fee and make their money off applications they can sell you.

I had a Treo 750 with Rogers that ended up being just a phone as their data rates were way too high, and I make an above average income. I have an unlocked iPhone I use through them as well with no data plan for the same reason.

What Rogers might not realize is that a lot of the early adopters who might normally pay a premium for a new device already have an iPhone. For these people, the compelling reason to purchase the 3G version is data and pricing. The iPhone is all about data, and if Rogers can't price this aggressively, there will be a limited market for the iPhone. In my case its simple. If Rogers offers the iPhone purchase price as advertised and with unlimited data plans at a fair rate, I will be buying one. If not, I stick with my current iPhone. If I can't afford the iPhone rates at my income level, then there are many people who will not be able to either.

[fatcat23]

Anyone heard anything regarding the data plan for this. I have an N95-1 on rogers and have the 7 dollar unlimited on device browsing and it works great. But I'm guessing this wont work on the 3g iphone though right? I would have to get setup for rogers and get priced on their ridiculous iphone data pricing(assumption). Any news or links...

[psxp]

would it be so hard to stick two radios in the thing..GSM and cdma.

yes, I read on smartphonethoughts.com (I think) when they question HTC on making triband vs quadband vs all band 3G phones they said how tricky it was to put all the chips in the case. CDMA is another ball game.. AND most importantly its not used Everywhere in the world like 3G and GSM..

[~NeonFire372~]

Sucks that Rogers will be introducing the iPhone in Canada. Their reception in Newfoundland and Labrador is horrible... works okay in St. John's and pitiful from STJ to Clarenville and doesn't work at all past that. Awesome. I can use my iPhone at university and then have no cell phone while I'm home.

I can't believe I'm saying this but why can't Bell have the monopoly in this case? :rolleyes:

[quigleybc]

As excited as I am for this to finally be released.


who else is scared shiteless over what they're going to charge...


there is no price plan set yet....


this could be ugly

[bonafide]

I just hope the data plans aren't too crazy.

I want the iPhone in the worst way but if the data plans are insane I'll opt out until such time as they get better.

[HowEver]

No word on data plans yet...