Mac OS X 10.3.2 7D12 Seeded

[MacRumors]

Mac OS X 10.3.1 7D12 has been seeded to Apple Developers. MacNews.net.tc (http://macintosh.fryke.com/cgi-bin/macnews.cgi/2003/11/18#20031118_1032) lists changes in USB, Graphics Drivers, AFP server, WebDAV and international text.

[stefman]

Hope it makes it more stable.

I love Panther, but I'm having minor issues with it.

[Ambrose Chapel]

yeah minor issues here too. i hope it fixes my bug of having 2 CD icons after burning... i wonder how long it take them to sift through through bug reports from the os x feedback page.

[iEric]

Do you think the upgrade with fix some of the firewire problems left out there..like mine...Where it gives power but nothing works..like my iPod and my firewire scanner :( ...

[Tux Kapono]

My iBook (G3 w/ Panther) froze three times in a week already, either while on iTunes or playing videos. The screen would freeze while the mouse was still active, then the mouse would freeze a few seconds later and I'd have to restart. My iBook used to freeze once every six months.

I'm just saving a lot while I await 10.3.2 and pray that it fixes this.

[Chad4Mac]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
yeah minor issues here too. i hope it fixes my bug of having 2 CD icons after burning... i wonder how long it take them to sift through through bug reports from the os x feedback page.

Same here. It's not the end of the world, but it is really annoying.

Removing the "false" icon is a step that I really could do without...

Chad4Mac

[GrannySmith_G5]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
i hope it fixes my bug of having 2 CD icons after burning... [/B]

Last night I burned a dvd in toast and it gave me 3 icons in the finder. I was like "yo what up with that"

[AppleMatt]

Originally posted by Macrumors
MacNews.net.tc[/url] lists changes in...Graphics Drivers...

*Dreams*
nVidia performance finally upto what it should be
*Wakes up*

AppleMatt

[eazyway]

Make sure when you burn a CD that the buffer never fills up. You may have to burn a CD at a lower spin speed to achieve that. This will produce a better CD burn and likely no second or third icon.

[PyroTurtle]

my one complaint is when the apple-tab shortcut stops working...
if my computer is on for too long without rebooting it does it...it's really frelling anoying! i can't go on my multiple months without rebooting...

[Powerbook G5]

Do you have a 3rd party hack? It seems odd that the switching would not show up after a while unless another program is interfering with its function.

[j33pd0g]

I hope 10.3.2 will fix all the cosmetic bugs. I'm not really having any of these other issues. Everything has been fine. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see less of the rainbow beachball.

[Sherman]

I hope it fixes the huge display issue with iBook SE's where it won't let you change the ColorSync profile from the native one which makes it really bright and washed out. It's hard to read black text on white background with it like that.

[Datazoid]

Sherman,

A fix for this bug has been found and documented, there is a long discussion on Apple's forums here (http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?128@224.NnM7aS1JmLp.8@.599b3feb)

The solution is basically as follows:
Use the ColorSync Utility to repair ColorSync profiles on your computer and then go to this folder:
System -> Library -> Displays -> Overrides

Now, highlight any folder named "DisplayVendorID-" and move them to the Trash. When I did this, it asked for my user password. I didn't actually delete them (just in case), but I did put them in the Trash and restart my computer. After restarting, I went into the Color option in the Displays system preference and clicked on calibrate, and I was finally able to use the display calibrator. I then restarted the computer after I was finished and my new setting held.

If you don't want to calibrate, and would prefer to just have your default profile, the iBook.icc file has been posted here (http://homepage.mac.com/siegenthaler/FileSharing.html), taken from an iBook 366 SE. To use it, before you restart, place this file in your Library/ColorSync/Profiles/Displays folder.

I was having this problem with an old Blueberry iMac, and am quite glad that somebody finally figured out what to do about it!

[PyroTurtle]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Do you have a 3rd party hack? It seems odd that the switching would not show up after a while unless another program is interfering with its function.

no, it's a problem dating back to 10.0 actually...it was fixed for a while (10.0.3-10.2.8), then it just came back with 10.3.1....
no 3rd party hacks, as x11 is included...
but it does it on all my non-server machines...
it has something to do with the keyboard "engine" according to apple, and should be fixed soon

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
I hope 10.3.2 will fix all the cosmetic bugs. I'm not really having any of these other issues. Everything has been fine. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see less of the rainbow beachball.

I'm sure you'd see less of the beachball, if you just filled your machine with RAM. With 1.5GB, I rarely see any beachballs and I'm only on a dual 800.

I'm sure Apple have their hands full, fixing all those little things that didn't arise in testing. I'm sure we'll be seeing some solid improvements in a few weeks.

[Powerbook G5]

With only 512 megs RAM currently and my single 1.25 GHz, I only ever see a spinning beachball when I am waiting for something involving the network.

[rodnarms]

I find with Panther that Safari likes to crash. Safari seems to go under once every hour.

I hope this is recognized and fixed soon.

[stcanard]

Originally posted by rodnarms
I find with Panther that Safari likes to crash. Safari seems to go under once every hour.

I've never once had Safari crash on me on my PB, so it's more complicated than a pure stability problem.

It could be some wierd interaction of hardware, upgraded OS's, third party software, solar flares, and the earth's angular momentum at your latitude.

If so it may take a while to identify...

[Powerbook G5]

I agree, I have never once had Safari crash on me either so it has to be something more than just Panther since I've been using it since the day it came out.

[mrsebastian]

panther has been very stable for me :) anything to make it better is appreciated.

[ITR 81]

The only update I'm looking for is Safari 1.2! All my crashing is only due to one page and it's because of certain java code they run. It will run normal and all sudden while on the that page it will crash. It doesn't do it on other pages.

[daveL]

Originally posted by ITR 81
The only update I'm looking for is Safari 1.2! All my crashing is only due to one page and it's because of certain java code they run. It will run normal and all sudden while on the that page it will crash. It doesn't do it on other pages.
Then it sounds like a Java problem, not a Safari problem :) The page may have a Java version dependency or some such. Are you running 1.3 or 1.4? The ADC site currently has a Java 1.4.2 seed available, so that update should be coming out in the not too distant future.

[will]

I've had four days with Panther 10.3.1 from an erase install on 12" PB 867MHz/Superdrive/640MB RAM. (I didn't use 10.3.0).

So far I've had very few issues, seems much snappier and more polished than 10.2.x. I've only had one app crash, and not had any of the problems reported here (I only get one CD icon, even when burning at full speed). I am annoyed that I have to get iDVD back off my restore DVD (still haven't done that yet), and that Norton tools don't work, but otherwise, thumbs up.

I do wonder about some developer's comitment to the Apple NDAs though; nothing seems to stay secret for more than a few hours.

Now I need to really get my teeth into Xcode. A final thought, Expose is great, but I still long for a virtual desktop.

[macMaestro]

10.3.2???

At this rate we'll hit 10.3.15 before we get 10.4. :p

[WM.]

Originally posted by Sherman
I hope it fixes the huge display issue with iBook SE's where it won't let you change the ColorSync profile from the native one which makes it really bright and washed out. It's hard to read black text on white background with it like that.
Not having that problem on an iBook SE 366 with 10.3 (haven't rebooted since 10.3.1 came out so I haven't installed it). I'm using a SuperCal profile created under Jaguar...10.3 found and used it on first boot.

And you know, this thing has been incrementally upgraded from 10.0 --> 10.0.4 --> 10.1 --> 10.1.1...10.1.5 --> 10.2 --> 10.2.1...10.2.6 --> 10.3. No archive installs (not enough disk space). I've never run Disk First Aid (although the Panther installer runs it automatically) and I've only repaired permissions like twice in all that time--about 26 months now. And I can't say I'm really having any problems.

Just a contrast to all those stability issues--I don't doubt their validity, but not everyone experiences them.... Looks like someone's already come up with a fix for your issue, so obviously quite a few people are experiencing it, but honestly I hadn't heard of it before now...

FWIW
WM

[Bear]

Originally posted by macMaestro
10.3.2???

At this rate we'll hit 10.3.15 before we get 10.4. :p
Hey if Apple puts out incremental fixes every 2 or 3 weeks, I don't care what the version number goes up to.

This means the have a few specific things to test in each new minor upgrade so they get tested faster and better. (Hopefully.)

[Billicus]

Hopefully this fixes what I would call a bug - the stupid idea that we are suppose to "browse" our local servers rather than mount them on the Desktops like every other version of Mac OS I've used...:rolleyes:

[hamishb]

I use Westpac's great internet banking http://www.westpac.com.au

Works fine in 10.2.8 (I have dual boot 10.3.1 and 10.2.8) whereas in Panther the page doesn't render properly at all (tried Safari, IE, Camino). There is meant to be a list of choices on the left hand side which is missing in Panther.

Hope Java 1.4.2 fixes this.

[Trowaman]

Yeah, I have been having issues with Paanther as well.

Since I installed it, at random exposé and the dock will just stop working. I have no idea what causes this problem, it just happens. This needs to get fixed and fixed ASAP. Never had to do a restart once a week with Jaguar.

[MacBandit]

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I have no serious problems whatsoever. My biggest problem I had with 10.3 is that the translucency setting of the floating clock wouldn't stay set though logging out and back in. 10.3.1 fixed that. Now my only problem is I can't get the scroll wheel speed setting to stay put. Other then that 10.3 has been nothing but pure joy runs faster smother and more solid then 10.2 ever did.

[youngr40]

Couple of issues here . . .


Often Apps will crash, require a force quit of I have no rebooted for a number od days. In particular, iPhoto, Safari and Excel.

Often items on desktop will disappear for a short while, and repear, this happens if try and slect them and move them to a folder on the hard disk.

Also if I do a Save and I recently has browsed to network server, and it is no-long available, the spining balls appears and it will crash the app.

[Nik_Doof]

If anything panther fixed alot more problems... i had problems with language settings on 10.2.7... even with the default install cd that came with my pb.

Im very happy with Panther so far, people saying about nvidia preformance...well it runs a bit faster than 10.2.7...then again i've not got a GeforceFX elsewhere so i dont know what to expect :)

[encro]

I haven't had any problems with Panther X.3(.1) either, it's performance is excellent.

Safari has crashed quite frequently though, usually when I have 10 or more tabs open. I've since ditched it and went back to Camino (Nightly Build: 2003111414) which is working incredibly well. I think I'll stay with Mike Pinkerton's baby.

With regard to ColorSync, out of curiosity I ran a verify on the profiles and 19 required repairing. Running repair fixed 17 of the profiles. This was on a quite recent fresh Panther install ??!!??

[Powerbook G5]

I had that problem with the factory install of 10.2.7 on my PowerBook, I had some issues where it'd get washed out and lines would appear after playing a game so I went to the colorsync repair and it detected 4 profiles that needed repair.

[Stella]

Hope it fixes Samba browsing.

Under Jaq I could see all machines on my companys network. Now, I can only see the domains and workgroups - no PCs :-(

[yoman]

Originally posted by Tux Kapono
My iBook (G3 w/ Panther) froze three times in a week already, either while on iTunes or playing videos. The screen would freeze while the mouse was still active, then the mouse would freeze a few seconds later and I'd have to restart. My iBook used to freeze once every six months.

I'm just saving a lot while I await 10.3.2 and pray that it fixes this.

I think it had to do something with me having the computer on for too long. For some reason my computer doesnt like staying on for days at a time. So i shut down each night and problems solved. It might have something to do with my 3rd party RAM or some other wierd issue.
I hope the update fixes this problem too.

Edit: I forgot to say I have an ibook G3 as well with 10.3.1

[MacBandit]

Could those of you that are having freezing problems and application crashes either update your post or make a new post explaining your problem and what method of installation you performed. I'd like to know this and it may help me and others fix the problems for you.

I have not had any of the freezing problems and I have had my computer on for more then a couple weeks at a time since 10.3 and 10.3.1 came out. Also I use Safari exclusively and often with 25 plus tabs open.

[Powerbook G5]

I too have been free of freezes, crashes, or odd application quits with Panther, but I did a clean install, so I would expect it to be flawless since being on a clean install without any Jaguar or 3rd party files lurking around to cause a problem.

[Sherman]

There is no fix, and SuperCal doesn't calibrate it correctly.

It also DELETED all my old profiles that were correct for this display, a huge problem.

As of now, I have to launch classic and use it's monitor control panel, which is reset when I log out. Big frustration.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Sherman
There is no fix, and SuperCal doesn't calibrate it correctly.

It also DELETED all my old profiles that were correct for this display, a huge problem.

As of now, I have to launch classic and use it's monitor control panel, which is reset when I log out. Big frustration.

What kind of system install did you do when you went to 10.3?

[dho]

Originally posted by macMaestro
10.3.2???

At this rate we'll hit 10.3.15 before we get 10.4. :p

as long as they kept fixing stuff I wouldnt mind

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by macMaestro
10.3.2???

At this rate we'll hit 10.3.15 before we get 10.4. :p

When 10.2 came out we had 10.2.1 in two weeks and 10.2.2 in under 3 weeks after that. So we're at about the same time schedule.

[jayscheuerle]

Originally posted by MacBandit
When 10.2 came out we had 10.2.1 in two weeks and 10.2.2 in under 3 weeks after that. So we're at about the same time schedule.

So those who rushed out and installed 10.3 and got bit by bugs (or catastrophic data loss) should have known to wait? :D

If 10.3.2 ads 2nd monitor support for Apple BTO systems (ATI XClaim 3D Pro in my case, I'll give it another shot, otherwise I'm staying in Jaguar.

[jayscheuerle]

Originally posted by macMaestro
10.3.2???

At this rate we'll hit 10.3.15 before we get 10.4. :p

At least we won't have to pay $129 for 10.3.15!

[Dippo]

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
At least we won't have to pay $129 for 10.3.15!

Apple might have to start going with the triple dot version numbers.

Such as

10.3.1.0
10.3.2.0
10.3.2.1
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10.3.2.9

Then you would be paying $129 for a double point release :)

10.3.3.0

[stcanard]

Originally posted by Dippo
Apple might have to start going with the triple dot version numbers.

Off topic, but I've been wondering when Apple's going to remove the 10 from the version number to get around the branding problem.

Then they could call this OSX version 3.2 and start to get around the whole "I won't pay $129 for a dot release" issue without having to worry about an OSXI

It won't happen for any of the Panther dot releases, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it sooner than later.

[awulf]

I recently upgraded to Panther 10.3.1 and I have had little problems.

Performance has increased dramatically and the new features make Panther a joy to use.

I upgraded from 10.2.6 -> 10.3 -> 10.3.1

The only problems I had was a software conflic with Slik (caused my programs to crash). But i deleted it. Norton Personal Firewall doesn't work and Safari wont even launch. So I have to use Camino at the moment, I will try reinstalling Safari. I already try using Safari in another user name, deleted the proferences and cache, but no luck.

Also at school I have to set up Mac OS 10.3 server to connect with the Active Directory network, but it cant bind eventhough all the details are correct and many more people have this problem. I cant bind on the client either.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
So those who rushed out and installed 10.3 and got bit by bugs (or catastrophic data loss) should have known to wait? :D

If 10.3.2 ads 2nd monitor support for Apple BTO systems (ATI XClaim 3D Pro in my case, I'll give it another shot, otherwise I'm staying in Jaguar.

No I was just saying that I don't think based on the rate of updates that we should see any higher version numbers then we did with 10.2.

As for the bugs I haven't seen any of them. I think most of them are do to a dirty installation on top of a previously dirty system.

[PyroTurtle]

i agree...
with 10.3 if you "upgrade" (and sometimes even the "archive and install" option) you get a really funky system folder with mostly compatible versions of files...
it was time for me to wipe my HD anyway...
i think they should just keep going...cause in like a year we'll have 10.3.68...

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by PyroTurtle
i agree...
with 10.3 if you "upgrade" (and sometimes even the "archive and install" option) you get a really funky system folder with mostly compatible versions of files...
it was time for me to wipe my HD anyway...
i think they should just keep going...cause in like a year we'll have 10.3.68...

Unlikely they would ever make it to such a high update number. Besides if they did so why would we need 10.4?

System installs are typically that way and no matter how much I preach the clean install there are still those that do a dirty update and ask why they are having problems. I just wish Apple would speak the truth about system installs and tell people that things will work much better if they do a clean install. Also Apple needs to push the data backup wagon a little harder. People scream when they lose data even though it's there own damn fault in most cases.

[sososowhat]

Originally posted by MacBandit
those that do a dirty update and ask why they are having problems. I just wish Apple would speak the truth about system installs and tell people that things will work much better if they do a clean install.
Reading the boards I did a clean install on my G5, and it went flawless. Or so I thought.

I'd backed up my apps, but not the iApps. They ship with the OS, right? Wrong. iDVD wasn't on the Panther disks. Now, it turns out that it was easily recoverable from the Restore disk. However...

a) The AppleCare guy didn't know how to do this (took 50 minutes on the phone, trips to talk to someone else, etc). His advice: go back to Jag, then re-upgrade as an upgrade.

b) The guy in the Palo Alto Apple Store didn't either. That's both the Genius :) and the sales guy. When I told him my story he said: don't read the boards. Never do a clean install. Then he sold me iLife for $49. Then, guess what? iLife doesn't run on the G5!!! Seriously. Read the box. iDVD majorly crashes. Not just the app - it freezes the machine. Repeatedly, predictably, quickly.

c) New AppleCare guy figures it all out. Easy Restore of iDVD & it works fine. We'll see if I can get my $49 back from the store.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by sososowhat
Reading the boards I did a clean install on my G5, and it went flawless. Or so I thought.

I'd backed up my apps, but not the iApps. They ship with the OS, right? Wrong. iDVD wasn't on the Panther disks. Now, it turns out that it was easily recoverable from the Restore disk. However...

a) The AppleCare guy didn't know how to do this (took 50 minutes on the phone, trips to talk to someone else, etc). His advice: go back to Jag, then re-upgrade as an upgrade.

b) The guy in the Palo Alto Apple Store didn't either. That's both the Genius :) and the sales guy. When I told him my story he said: don't read the boards. Never do a clean install. Then he sold me iLife for $49. Then, guess what? iLife doesn't run on the G5!!! Seriously. Read the box. iDVD majorly crashes. Not just the app - it freezes the machine. Repeatedly, predictably, quickly.

c) New AppleCare guy figures it all out. Easy Restore of iDVD & it works fine. We'll see if I can get my $49 back from the store.

The more I go into the AppleStores the less I'm impressed with them. Specifically the level of knowledge. I swear all they do is hire someone with no knowledge put him through 10 hours of training and call him a genius.

Next time go ahead and post a question here on the boards that you were told not to read and I or someone else would be happy to help you. The restore thing is a pretty simple answer after all.

[Powerbook G5]

That's pretty insane, even a random Apple amateur could tell you that iDVD would be provided on the Restore Disc that came with your system. It sounds like they wanted to milk you out of $50, which I can't understand the use of buying iLife if they all come with your Macintosh in the first place.

As far as doing a clean install of your OS, there is no reason why it would be a bad thing, typically, the ideal install is to do a clean format and install to ensure the most compatibility and stability.

[Sublime]

Originally posted by Stella
Hope it fixes Samba browsing.

Under Jaq I could see all machines on my companys network. Now, I can only see the domains and workgroups - no PCs :-(


Yeah my samba browsing is bad on my ibook, even with the new 10.3.2 update. What's funny is my old G3 B&W works fine. On my iBook I can get to the folder I want but it appears empty.

[MasterMac]

Originally posted by sososowhat
Reading the boards I did a clean install on my G5, and it went flawless. Or so I thought.

I'd backed up my apps, but not the iApps. They ship with the OS, right? Wrong. iDVD wasn't on the Panther disks. Now, it turns out that it was easily recoverable from the Restore disk. However...

a) The AppleCare guy didn't know how to do this (took 50 minutes on the phone, trips to talk to someone else, etc). His advice: go back to Jag, then re-upgrade as an upgrade.

b) The guy in the Palo Alto Apple Store didn't either. That's both the Genius :) and the sales guy. When I told him my story he said: don't read the boards. Never do a clean install. Then he sold me iLife for $49. Then, guess what? iLife doesn't run on the G5!!! Seriously. Read the box. iDVD majorly crashes. Not just the app - it freezes the machine. Repeatedly, predictably, quickly.

c) New AppleCare guy figures it all out. Easy Restore of iDVD & it works fine. We'll see if I can get my $49 back from the store.

You could have reinstalled iDVD through Pacifist (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/6812) and saved yourself all that ;)

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by MasterMac
You could have reinstalled iDVD through Pacifist (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/6812) and saved yourself all that ;)

There's no need to use Pacifist since the software restore cd will allow you do a custom install. Pacifist is useful when trying to install specific system components that you can't do a custom install for.