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May 6, 2008, 12:06 PM
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DMann
May 6, 2008, 12:15 PM
1,000,000 Zunes sold since 2006....... This ought to bring NBC lots of business.

mrrydogg
May 6, 2008, 12:38 PM
So does this mean that NBC gets a share of the Zune's hardware sales? Since that seemed to be their big complaint with Apple.

Man they really showed Apple with this deal. They complained that they "only" made 15 million off the iTunes deal, wonder how long it will take them to make that with Microsoft?

What a joke.

elppa
May 6, 2008, 12:54 PM
I don't think NBC having given up entirely on iTunes.

Last I heard they were renegotiating.

awal
May 6, 2008, 12:54 PM
I just bought a ticket to travel to London on the Titanic.

I can't wait to watch NBC on Zune during my trip.

Why can't NBC just "man up" and admit they made a mistake?

SinfonianShrek
May 6, 2008, 12:59 PM
My two cents:

NBC not only wanted a cut of hardware but I think they expected immediate miracle sales status from iTunes, meaning they expected their sales numbers to equal and surpass the number of illicit downloads of their content within the first couple months.

I don't know why but it seems to me that a lot of companies that were incredibly resistant to digital distribution when it first started booming were expecting way too much from it when they came late and under dressed for the party.

Of course now NBC has signed up with Microsoft, probably receiving a portion of the players' pricepoints. Of course look at the market share for video-capable media players and the total video content sales and I'd wager (since I have no real numbers to back this up) the iTunes + iPod combo is leaps and bounds ahead. Just look at how many players are being sold and then look at the amount of content being sold. I'd wager the numbers are rather disproportionate.

It won't be long until NBC is kicking themselves in the giblets over this bone-headed move, methinks.

OllyW
May 6, 2008, 01:05 PM
I don't think NBC having given up entirely on iTunes.

Last I heard they were renegotiating.

A few of their shows have just showed up (http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/index.cfm?newsid=21217&pagtype=allchandate) on the UK iTunes Store.

nickXedge
May 6, 2008, 01:48 PM
I just bought a ticket to travel to London on the Titanic.

I can't wait to watch NBC on Zune during my trip.

Why can't NBC just "man up" and admit they made a mistake?

ZINNNNNNNGGGGGG! Nice, seriously, I enjoyed that.

I agree completely. I want The Office back on iTunes immediately. This whole thing is stupid. Maybe when NBC gets into high school they will grow up and apologize for being childish.

nickXedge
May 6, 2008, 01:52 PM
A few of their shows have just showed up (http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/index.cfm?newsid=21217&pagtype=allchandate) on the UK iTunes Store.

I don't know a whole lot about the situation with production companies and broadcasting companies but this is how I understand it:

You can still find some shows that air on NBC on iTunes however they are not licensed to NBC for distribution, they are ABC, CBS, etc. Alternately, there are a few shows on other stations such as ABC, CBS, etc. that you will not find on iTunes because they are NBC produced shows. Just because a show airs on NBC doesn't mean you won't find it on iTunes, it matters who has the distribution authority over it.

Again, I'm not entirely positive on this but I think it's accurate. If you have a correction please feel free to explain it better, or more accurately.

almostinsane
May 6, 2008, 01:57 PM
1,000,000 Zunes sold since 2006....... This ought to bring NBC lots of business.

+ 15,000,000 Xbox 360's and other Media Center Extenders.

Ryanr14
May 6, 2008, 02:14 PM
+ 15,000,000 Xbox 360's and other Media Center Extenders.

Too bad there are already over 60 million ipods out there. That's besides the fact that iPods are being built into cellphones these days, namely the iPhone. Where is Microsofts awesome media phone? :D

almostinsane
May 6, 2008, 02:16 PM
It's all about competition. If there weren't any then the iPod wouldn't have any new features.

Whiskerdreams
May 6, 2008, 02:20 PM
Well... Looking on-line...

Apple passed the 100,000,000 mark in sold iPods recently... And it's still growing the market by about 5% according to their recent SEC filing.

twoodcc
May 6, 2008, 02:31 PM
haha, wow. well, i never like NBC all that much anyways, now i really don't like them

Cromulent
May 6, 2008, 02:37 PM
Too bad there are already over 60 million ipods out there. That's besides the fact that iPods are being built into cellphones these days, namely the iPhone. Where is Microsofts awesome media phone? :D

Not to mention the fact that a lot of people still buy TV programmes and films to *gasp* watch on their computers and not to watch on their iPods (old fashioned eh? ;)). iTunes has by far and away the biggest installed user base of any media player.

gkarris
May 6, 2008, 02:39 PM
So, let me get this straight.

NBC wanted to charge more on iTunes and left since Apple wanted to charge only $1.99 per episode.

So, instead, they're on Zune, where they're charging $1.99 per episode.... :eek:

That's smart.... :rolleyes:

elppa
May 6, 2008, 04:26 PM
A few of their shows have just showed up (http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/index.cfm?newsid=21217&pagtype=allchandate) on the UK iTunes Store.

I reckon they are making up for lost time. We get all the best stuff on iTunes now. The US store doesn't even have Shaun the Sheep.

GoCubsGo
May 6, 2008, 04:34 PM
Well damnit I just miss NBC! I don't care if they're stupid....I like stupid things. ;)

The Toon Master
May 6, 2008, 04:36 PM
Ha, look who's crawling back, and it wasn't Apple as NBC expected

zombitronic
May 6, 2008, 04:52 PM
My post was deleted! Lame! 1984... Possibly because I mentioned, uh, green...citrus fruit...cable. Rhymes with ime ire. I guess we can't talk about these issues in the open.

My point was that some of the people who were willing to pay for an episode of an NBC show on iTunes may resort to downloading a pirated version...elsewhere. My guess is that this has hindered NBC's profits over the last few months more than it has helped them.

deputy_doofy
May 6, 2008, 04:58 PM
My post was deleted! Lame! 1984... Possibly because I mentioned, uh, green...citrus fruit...cable. Rhymes with ime ire. I guess we can't talk about these issues in the open.

My point was that some of the people who were willing to pay for an episode of an NBC show on iTunes may resort to downloading a pirated version...elsewhere. My guess is that this has hindered NBC's profits over the last few months more than it has helped them.

Agreed. NBC only hurts itself by taking away the legal options. Then again, it's still legal to record the show off the TV, so one would have to question why it's illegal to download it. Just to prove my point, there used to be a product called VCR Plus, and you could just plug in a Program code and the VCR Plus would know what channel and what time to start recording. Where could you get these codes??? Why, from the TV guide itself, of course.

SPUY767
May 6, 2008, 05:13 PM
Good riddance, and have fun hunting those fertile grounds.

mkrishnan
May 6, 2008, 05:15 PM
+ 15,000,000 Xbox 360's and other Media Center Extenders.

What are the current figures on media sales to XBox / MCE users? I'm pretty sure that Microsoft and the other retailers that use it (?) aren't in the top few music retailers?

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080402-apple-passes-wal-mart-now-1-music-retailer-in-us.html

http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/apple-npd.png

Rhapsody isn't an XBox/MCE product, is it? Amazon includes Unbox sales, but I presume that is still a small fraction of their business?

Are there any comparable figures on how much video is sold through the XBox/MCE channel?

Yvan256
May 6, 2008, 05:43 PM
Too bad there are already over 60 million ipods out there. That's besides the fact that iPods are being built into cellphones these days, namely the iPhone. Where is Microsofts awesome media phone? :D

Not to mention the millions of installations of iTunes and the (who knows how many) :apple:TVs.

almostinsane
May 6, 2008, 08:45 PM
Not to mention the fact that a lot of people still buy TV programmes and films to *gasp* watch on their computers and not to watch on their iPods (old fashioned eh? ;)). iTunes has by far and away the biggest installed user base of any media player.

Windows Media Player has the largest installed base by far and away.

TuffLuffJimmy
May 6, 2008, 08:49 PM
Windows Media Player has the largest installed base by far and away.

not so, although most people have it installed (it comes with windows) by far most use iTunes.

ingenious
May 6, 2008, 09:53 PM
ZINNNNNNNGGGGGG! Nice, seriously, I enjoyed that.

I agree completely. I want The Office back on iTunes immediately. This whole thing is stupid. Maybe when NBC gets into high school they will grow up and apologize for being childish.

I don't know about in Long Island, but here high school just means you have a car and money to be childish with...

nickXedge
May 6, 2008, 11:25 PM
I don't know about in Long Island, but here high school just means you have a car and money to be childish with...

Umm... I have one thing to say to this: Touché.

roach
May 7, 2008, 12:30 AM
Too bad there are already over 60 million ipods out there. That's besides the fact that iPods are being built into cellphones these days, namely the iPhone. Where is Microsofts awesome media phone? :D

60 million, but how many are those are broken ipods and owner who owns 2, 3 or more ipod. It's like counting the number of computer Apple sold since they began selling computers. Not a clear number.

nostaws
May 7, 2008, 12:40 AM
All I can say is screw NBC, I refuse to watch all there commercial bloated content online.

I still download The Office as a torrent, and I can watch it commercial free on the west coast before it is even broadcast. Because of all you kind east coasters (especially in Nova Scotia).

DMann
May 7, 2008, 12:52 AM
60 million, but how many are those are broken ipods and owner who owns 2, 3 or more ipod. It's like counting the number of computer Apple sold since they began selling computers. Not a clear number.

10.5 million sold first quarter of 2008, and average of 10 million each previous quarter with 14 million sold during fourth quarter of previous holiday seasons. 60 million seems to be a modest estimate from this vantage point.

OzExige
May 7, 2008, 01:04 AM
Go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod

and then go to heck, NBC :D

BongoBanger
May 7, 2008, 05:57 AM
Sure iTunes is dominant now but if more and more companies pull out then how long will that last for? iPods are great only whilst Apple have control over the market.

The issue here is that Apple has dominated digital distribution and the media industry had little choice but to dance to their tune. If this model changes - and I don't expect that to happen overnight - then the iPod market may fall away a bit.

But not any time soon I would have thought although it is interesting to see three of the big music labels pimping Amazon and NBC moving towards MS.

cwt1nospam
May 7, 2008, 07:26 AM
But not any time soon I would have thought although it is interesting to see three of the big music labels pimping Amazon and NBC moving towards MS.
Acts of desperation. By the time the music labels can make Amazon or the Zune successful enough to matter, the music labels will have lost their grip on the artists. New artists have little incentive to sign with a label if they can create their own label and get essentially the same exposure by selling on iTunes.

BongoBanger
May 7, 2008, 07:54 AM
Acts of desperation. By the time the music labels can make Amazon or the Zune successful enough to matter, the music labels will have lost their grip on the artists. New artists have little incentive to sign with a label if they can create their own label and get essentially the same exposure by selling on iTunes.

True, but then we're back to the issue of revenue generation. Apple would have to convince the artists that their terms would be favourable.

ingenious
May 7, 2008, 12:32 PM
Umm... I have one thing to say to this: Touché.

I only can say that from experience with my class... i graduate may 17 :D

almostinsane
May 9, 2008, 09:09 PM
not so, although most people have it installed (it comes with windows) by far most use iTunes.

lol! wut? Ok Jimmy. Keep thinking that.

macwall
May 15, 2008, 07:02 PM
The thing about the zune is that the design is just terrible. The layout and colors are just bleh. They don't really have a chance at catching up to the ipod if they can't produce an attractive product.

Chairman Plow
May 20, 2008, 01:13 PM
Microsoft and NBC have already had a relationship for quite some time.... this may have played a part in NBC's trying to force Apple's hand (which failed, BTW).

Anyone watch MSNBC?

MikeTheC
May 20, 2008, 01:27 PM
Vis a vis NBC on Zune...

And this surprises whom, exactly? I mean, come on...

alphaod
May 20, 2008, 02:58 PM
Windows Media Player has the largest installed base by far and away.

Yeah because it's installed into Windows.

DMann
May 20, 2008, 04:38 PM
Yeah because it's installed into Windows.

Same can be said of the large but ever eroding installer base of Windows itself, which is pre-installed on every PC purchased - the enormous jump in
Mac Marketshare speaks for itself.

The thing about the zune is that the design is just terrible. The layout and colors are just bleh. They don't really have a chance at catching up to the ipod if they can't produce an attractive product.


Steve Ballmer claims that the design, colors, and functionality of the Zune are groundbreaking - perhaps for a speedy burial.

OzExige
May 20, 2008, 09:24 PM
............................

Steve Ballmer claims that the design, colors, and functionality of the Zune are groundbreaking - perhaps for a speedy burial.

Hehe 'gound-breaking' I love it!

gusapple
May 20, 2008, 09:43 PM
Steve Ballmer claims that the design, colors, and functionality of the Zune are groundbreaking - perhaps for a speedy burial.

Steve Ballmer also has an egg in his face...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBQ4UCXQeo :p

DMann
May 20, 2008, 10:04 PM
Steve Ballmer also has an egg in his face...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBQ4UCXQeo :p

Thank you for that. Listen to him dis Steve Jobs in the middle of the Budapest BS seminar in this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayCNgRrv5g8&NR=1

He's got the nerve to claim that MS's focus is more on functionality than Apple. (dis-functionality, for certain sure.) He speaks out of his ass when claiming that Windows good taste has appealed to (been forced upon) over 1 billion on the planet - this man has no conscience. He also deflects a question about progress at MS by stating: "Somethings move slowly for a variety of reasons......." translation: we ultimately hit a ceiling with all the spaghetti code we've been piling on up toward Vista.

majordude
May 21, 2008, 10:56 AM
Link: After abandoning iTunes, NBC shows up on Zune (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20080506130630)

NBC hasn't been relevant since they aired the Milton Berle show.

gusapple
May 21, 2008, 07:55 PM
this man has no conscience.

I believe at times that Young Frankenstein somehow mated with Jeff Daniels. Therefore creating a new kind of superhuman! :p

Now here's a game, find out which one is really Ballmer!

gkarris
May 21, 2008, 08:42 PM
Steve Ballmer claims that the design, colors, and functionality of the Zune are groundbreaking - perhaps for a speedy burial.

What will save Zune?

Developers, developers, developers, developers...
Developers, developers, developers, developers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hadxBZWxNrs

:p

DMann
May 21, 2008, 08:46 PM
I believe at times that Young Frankenstein somehow mated with Jeff Daniels. Therefore creating a new kind of superhuman! :p

Now here's a game, find out which one is really Ballmer!

I do believe his ancestral roots can be traced here:

DMann
May 21, 2008, 08:59 PM
What will save Zune?

Developers, developers, developers, developers...
Developers, developers, developers, developers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hadxBZWxNrs

:p

Love this mix - Rodrigo is brilliant. This really captures the raw essence of Steve Ballmer.

StuBeck
May 25, 2008, 02:17 AM
The thing about the zune is that the design is just terrible. The layout and colors are just bleh. They don't really have a chance at catching up to the ipod if they can't produce an attractive product.

I like my Zune just fine. Unlike my 5G iPod (which I sold to buy the zune) I can put it in my pocket and not have it be completely scratched up when I remove it. I also like the menu, built in radio, and not having the same MP3 player as everyone else. If people don't like the zune, thats fine, but I don't understand all the hate for it.

LukeHarrison
May 25, 2008, 02:09 PM
If people don't like the zune, thats fine, but I don't understand all the hate for it.

It's just because it's come out of Microsoft, which makes no sense at all. I mean, I use a Mac, but I also love the XBox 360.

Having seen (and used) a second gen Zune, I really like it, but I saw a first gen one once, and yuck! It was the worst looking piece of tech I've ever seen.

StuBeck
May 25, 2008, 05:57 PM
It's just because it's come out of Microsoft, which makes no sense at all. I mean, I use a Mac, but I also love the XBox 360.

Having seen (and used) a second gen Zune, I really like it, but I saw a first gen one once, and yuck! It was the worst looking piece of tech I've ever seen.

Good to hear some sanity from people rather then just outright hate! I have a 1st gen zune and love it, the screen is beautiful, battery life is alright, interface is great and it doesn't scratch the first time you look at it. While the iPod may look prettier, I found the zune a lot more user friendly.

DMann
May 25, 2008, 06:17 PM
Good to hear some sanity from people rather then just outright hate! I have a 1st gen zune and love it, the screen is beautiful, battery life is alright, interface is great and it doesn't scratch the first time you look at it. While the iPod may look prettier, I found the zune a lot more user friendly.

The 1st generation Zune certainly is bulky enough not to slip out of your hands. Overall, it does meet the MS design and operational standard of 'good enough,' which seems to utterly confuse consumers who had been led to believe they the Zune was superior to the more refined iPod. With FM tuner and crippled song sharing features aside, an iPod touch now plays FM radio with a simple app installed, sans the extra bulk. The iPod's Wi-Fi capabilities and web-browser alone elevates the iPod into an entirely different league of MP3/media players than the Zune. If the Zune were to be considered user friendly, the iPod would then be ultra-user friendly.

StuBeck
May 26, 2008, 04:52 AM
The 1st generation Zune certainly is bulky enough not to slip out of your hands. Overall, it does meet the MS design and operational standard of 'good enough,' which seems to utterly confuse consumers who had been led to believe they the Zune was superior to the more refined iPod. With FM tuner and crippled song sharing features aside, an iPod touch now plays FM radio with a simple app installed, sans the extra bulk. The iPod's Wi-Fi capabilities and web-browser alone elevates the iPod into an entirely different league of MP3/media players than the Zune. If the Zune were to be considered user friendly, the iPod would then be ultra-user friendly.

How much does an iPod touch cost? How much does it store? They are in different market segments, so a comparison is silly.

willywilly99
May 27, 2008, 08:03 AM
1,000,000 Zunes sold since 2006.

DMann
May 27, 2008, 01:10 PM
How much does an iPod touch cost? How much does it store? They are in different market segments, so a comparison is silly.

Not according to MS...... Silly comparisons aside, let's come down to MS's level even further - While advertising the Zune in magazines, MS compared it's price for a 30G model to that of an 80G iPod, claiming to beat the competition.