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MacBytes
May 7, 2008, 09:37 PM
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aaronw1986
May 7, 2008, 09:50 PM
Umm, iPhone SDK !=closed;

OzExige
May 7, 2008, 10:02 PM
Yeah, whateverrrr
Zittrain is just another wannabe desperate to cling to some inane doctrine about teh wire less thingy.
The 3G iPhone, with more than 10M in use before year's end, will generate more traffic on the teh wire less thingy (from mobile computing devices) than any other device in the ever expanding universe... so there!

SPUY767
May 7, 2008, 11:17 PM
Short answer: No.

Long answer: This is merely a drop of the iPhone moniker to get noticed. Internet Explorer has been a closed system and was the de Facto standard for web browsing for nearly a decade. I don't recall and huge debacle proclaiming that IE was going to destroy the net, at least not in the mainstream media.

killerrobot
May 7, 2008, 11:27 PM
Yeah, whateverrrr
Zittrain is just another wannabe desperate to cling to some inane doctrine about teh wire less thingy.
The 3G iPhone, with more than 10M in use before year's end, will generate more traffic on the teh wire less thingy (from mobile computing devices) than any other device in the ever expanding universe... so there!

How will there be 10M 3G phones out by year's end when they aren't even out on the market yet/developed yet???
More internet usage does not equal more internet liberty/freedom/creation.
Just curious, did you happen to read the article and interview at all?

@macbytes
Zittrain brings up some interesting points such as websites/cooperations deciding which programs to block or not instead of the individual deciding but I don't see how that will stop the growth of the internet/programming. If anything it will just strengthen the piracy/hacking/cracking trend going on now to try and defy the big cooperations deciding what should be on the net or not.
That being said, his interview was a little self-promoting and could even be considered a little too alarmist. But I guess if you can't get people's attention today, no one will read it.

Yvan256
May 7, 2008, 11:29 PM
If anything, the iPhone/iPod touch pushes standards even more with support for some things from CSS3.

What "murders the web" is Internet Explorer in 95% of cases (the last 5% being Active X, SilverLight, Flash, Air, etc).

x86isslow
May 8, 2008, 12:57 AM
If anything, the iPhone/iPod touch pushes standards even more with support for some things from CSS3.

What "murders the web" is Internet Explorer in 95% of cases (the last 5% being Active X, SilverLight, Flash, Air, etc).

He's not talking about standard web tools for deploying content. He's talking about the content itself.

If Playboy wanted to develop an app using the iPhone SDK and call it iPorn, they could, but Apple wouldn't allow them to sell it on the iTunes store, or even sell it on playboy.com or even test it on a real iPhone, they'd have to stay with the virtual SDK version - that's what he's talking about, not some silly SilverLight-versus-Flash war.

MattInOz
May 8, 2008, 02:14 AM
He's not talking about standard web tools for deploying content. He's talking about the content itself.

If Playboy wanted to develop an app using the iPhone SDK and call it iPorn, they could, but Apple wouldn't allow them to sell it on the iTunes store, or even sell it on playboy.com or even test it on a real iPhone, they'd have to stay with the virtual SDK version - that's what he's talking about, not some silly SilverLight-versus-Flash war.


Well sort of, but we are yet to see.
If ramdom company writes a piece of viewer software that allows a DRM other than Apple's are apple going to stop that?
If not, playboy writes Playboy veiwer uses that to encrypt porndata and does the proof of age thing then is apple going to stop that.

I'd bet not, Apple knows porn drives these things

OzExige
May 8, 2008, 02:35 AM
...........
a little self-promoting and could even be considered a little too alarmist. But I guess if you can't get people's attention today, no one will read it.

AS I said a wannabe, a self-promoting wannabe but a wannabe nonetheless. :)
As to 10M 3G iPhones, I was wrong, I should have said just iPhones and if Google's shock at the use of iPhones is anything to consider then I consider the iPhone to be the ultimate mobile computing device with hundreds of applications to come from SDK (June) and beyond into the ever expanding universe... so there :)

AlmostThere
May 8, 2008, 02:55 AM
AS I said a wannabe, a self-promoting wannabe but a wannabe nonetheless. :)
As to 10M 3G iPhones, I was wrong, I

Hmm, where should I place my trust?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Zittrain, professor of law with positions at Yale, Harvard and Oxford or
outraged Apple zealot reacting to criticisms of the iPhone.

Decisions, decisions ... I just don't know who to believe nowadays ;)

OzExige
May 8, 2008, 03:02 AM
Hmm, where should I place my trust?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Zittrain, professor of law with positions at Yale, Harvard and Oxford or
outraged Apple zealot reacting to criticisms of the iPhone.

Decisions, decisions ... I just don't know who to believe nowadays ;)

With all that time spent within the hallowed halls I guess he doesn't get out much :)
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/02/14/google_iphone_usage_shocks_search_giant.html

NP3
May 8, 2008, 03:26 AM
People are always quick to blame others for their own problems.

So if your content blows, and people don't buy it, no degree of 'openness' will spur sales.

"Murdering the web" would first murder that company's profits. While not instantaneous, the accused company would go away.

Yvan256
May 8, 2008, 07:17 AM
He's not talking about standard web tools for deploying content. He's talking about the content itself.

If Playboy wanted to develop an app using the iPhone SDK and call it iPorn, they could, but Apple wouldn't allow them to sell it on the iTunes store, or even sell it on playboy.com or even test it on a real iPhone, they'd have to stay with the virtual SDK version - that's what he's talking about, not some silly SilverLight-versus-Flash war.

Well, the Web is supposed to mean websites accessed by browsers, not special applications written for a special platform. Or does the author say things like "I'm playing World of Warcraft on the Web"?

P.S.: I haven't read the article. :p

macFanDave
May 8, 2008, 02:43 PM
Has this deluded fool done any research? Apple distributes podcasts through iTunes and third-party Dashboard Widgets through its web site. If Apple censors or checks any of these, it is news to me. There is no reason to think that the App Store will be any less open.

I totally agree with Apple's approach to gradually opening up platforms. Back in the olden days, you had to make a major investment to program for the Mac. Now, every Mac comes with Xcode and distribution is easy on the web. The reason for being closed at first is to show the customers the true quality of the platform. If Apple opened up platforms on Day One and some third-party developers could put out buggy crap, and it would reflect poorly on that platform. Once the public sees how great the products are (Macs, iPods, iPhones), Apple then opens up the platform slowly and people can realize that problems may be arising from the third-party additions they are using. This way the blame clearly goes to the appropriate source.

The iPhone is the least of the Internet's problems. The end of net neutrality and malware targeted at Windows-using web surfers are two threats that are far more urgent than "Doctor" Zittrain's crack-pipe dream.

elppa
May 8, 2008, 05:14 PM
Safari is based on webkit open standards and interoperability.

Apple will compete on quality of device. Anyone can take webkit and make a web browser for there similar device (although hopefully other large companies would put something back as well), Apple is working on the basis that there product will always be best. And if it isn't it's there job to fix it.