3G iPhone with GPS, Video Conferences, TV?

[MacRumors]

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LeMatin.ch (French) reports (http://www.lematin.ch/fr/actu/economie/l-iphone-debarque-cet-ete-en-suisse_11-151466) that based on a source in Swisscom, Switzerland will be getting the iPhone this summer.

By itself, this news is not that surprising, as there have been a growing number of reports of the iPhone being delivered internationally in the coming months. Unique to this source, however, is the report that the iPhone would come with GPS, Video Conferencing and Mobile TV functionality.

GPS and video conferencing (with front-sided camera) have both been rumored for the next generation iPhone, but the addition of mobile television is new.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/13/3g-iphone-with-gps-video-conferences-tv/)

[arn]

MrCrowbar provided this translation

iPhone coming to Switzerland this summer

Apple's new generation of 3G phone to be sold at Swisscom soon

Only a few more weeks to go...
If everything goes right the Swiss will be able to get their hands on all beautiful, brand new, iPhones in Swisscom stores starting this summer. Apple and Switzerland's number one tele-communications company indeed just signed a deal to collaborate according to a Swisscom Source.

And surprise; the upcoming phone rom the fruity brand has 3G—the new standard for multimedia. Fitted with a more powerful chip, the fashinable device will offer more functionality like video conference, mobile television and GPS. It should start selling in the USA in june.

Rendering the "old" iPhone obsolete
"The new iPhone version will put the first generation, which sold more than 5.5 million times, to shame", according to a specialized analyst who thinks Swisscom's patience for this deal has payed off. "After one year of service in the USA and just a little more than 9 months in Europe, the 'old' iPhone has become obsolete." Measnwhile, telephone operators like T-Mobile in Germany are trying to get rid of the current multimedia swiss army knife, just like AT&T in the US who cut the price in half to $170 (170 swiss francs).

Not to mention that the secret transaction with the California based company is well kept at Swisscom. Spokesperson Christian Neuhaus insists that "nothing has been sealed yet". Same tight-lipp-ness from Apple. "But the clues aren't wrong" an observator adds. The blue giant [translator's note: Swisscom has a blue logo] just launched a mobile television service.

Another clue: Apple has signed an allience with Vodaphone of England. The world's number one in telephony will distribute iPhones in a few ten countries, and above all, will develop content delivery services for Apple's machine. Swisscom who is a partner of the english giant [translator's note: Vodaphone] since 2003 will profit from this. And no one doubts that the 40,000 owners of black market iPones will be seduces by the new offers.

Indeed, who could resist a soccer match live on his 3G phone?

[RustyM]

Does it have to be into English? ;)

[Poppysdad1]

efinitely going to have to buy one now.
16GB 1st gen iPhone for sale if anyones interested

[Bentov]

Unique to this source, however, is the report that the iPhone would come with GPS, Video Conferencing, Mobile TV functionality, and 38 minutes of usable battery time.

Sorry for leaving that out :D

[edesignuk]

Does it have to be into English?This is an English language site. So yes, translation in to English might be useful.

[lazyrighteye]

WWDC couldnt feel further away!


Ok.
I guess it could.

[macFabri]

Great ! This could means iPhone is coming to Japan ! Here all cellphones already have TV and many features. APple will have to make a very attractive iPhone to sell in Japan and TV is one of the top list !

[Shasterball]

I hear it can unlock your car. But that takes 45% of the battery. :(

[Buschmaster]

I think GPS and live TV would be much bigger selling points to me than 3G.

[Shasterball]

I think GPS and live TV would be much bigger selling points to me than 3G.

Well, wouldn't live TV be hard without 3G?

[Eidorian]

I could try but I'm only a Spanish major. :rolleyes:

[atari1356]

Mobile TV? As in having an ATSC tuner (in the U.S., and all of the various equivalents in other countries)?

Or streamed from online sources? This seems far more likely, as it would not require an antenna.

Really, the iPhone has mobile TV already since it plays shows you've purchased via iTunes... perhaps this "new feature" is just a translation problem, rather than adding live television functionality.

[Zukum]

I wonder if 3G is fast enough to support iChat. That would be amazing indeed, and save allot of minutes!

[matperk]

Well, wouldn't live TV be hard without 3G?

Only if you like watching more than 6 frames per second. :)

[wordmunger]

Really, the iPhone has mobile TV already since it plays shows you've purchased via iTunes... perhaps this "new feature" is just a translation problem, rather than adding live television functionality.


I don't think it's just a translation problem -- the article is pretty clear about that. My french isn't good enough to provide a word-for-word translation, but "mobile television" is clearly stated in the article.

The article also says that neither swisscom nor apple will confirm the rumor, so it's still just a rumor.

[stagi]

I doubt they would have mobile tv,that would cut right into iTunes sales

[arn]

I doubt they would have mobile tv,that would cut right into iTunes sales

not really. mobile tv (live) and iTunes are very different markets.

arn

[joemama]

I doubt they would have mobile tv,that would cut right into iTunes sales

You are correct. If Apple is against a DVR, they are not going to allow you to watch TV without paying for it.

[jl234]

English Translation


The iPhone unloads this summer in Switzerland

Swisscom has just taken down the exclusiveness in the sale from the iPhone 3G as of this summer in Switzerland.


More than a few weeks to be held... If all occurs as envisaged, the Swiss ones will be able to touch very beautiful iPhone, very new in the Swisscom stores as of this summer. APPLE and the number one of telephony in Switzerland indeed has just concluded a collaboration agreement, according to a source of Swisscom.

And good surprise: it is the version 3G, the new grinding of the multi-media telephone of the mark to the apple, which will unload in Switzerland. Doped by a more powerful chip, the toy à.la.mode will offer more functionalities like the videoconference, mobile television and the GPS. It should be put on sale in June in the USA.

Obsolete the "old man" iPhone
"the new version of the iPhone will reléguera with the oubliettes the first generation, sold with more than 5,5 million specimens", analyzes a specialist who estimates that the patience of Swisscom paid in this business. "After one year of service in the USA and a little more than seven months in Europe, the" old man "iPhone became obsolete." Blow, the operators like T-Mobile, in Germany, sell off this multi-media multi-fonction pocket knife. Just like AT & T, in the USA, which yields it to half price, with 170 dollars (179 franks Swiss).

Remain that the secrecy of the transaction with the Californian company is well kept at Swisscom. "Nothing is done", is restricted to answer its spokesman Christian Neuhaus. Even dumbness on the side of APPLE. "But the signs do not mislead", continues an observer. The blue giant has just launched a mobile service of television.

Another index: APPLE signed an alliance with English Vodafone. The world number one of telephony will distribute the iPhone in ten country and especially it will develop services of contents for the machine of APPLE. Swisscom, which is partner of the English colossus since 2003, will benefit from it. And there is no doubt that the 40 000 owners of iPhone to the black in Switzerland will be allured by these new offers.

Who could indeed resist a match of football on line on his 3G?

[teleromeo]

iPhone ready for take-off this summer in Switserland.

The new generation of apple's 3G iPhone soon for sale at swisscom.

Only a couple of weeks to hold...
If everything comes as planned, the Swiss will be able to cuddle real beautifull and all new iPhones in Swisscom shops this summer. According to a source from within Swisscom Apple and the leading swiss telecom company have reached a deal for cooperation.

The good surprise : it will be the 3G version, the new version of the multimedia telephone of the brand with the apple, that takes off in Switserland. Equipped with a more performant chip, the toy will offer more functionalities like videoconferencing, mobile television and GPS. It should become on sale in the states in june.

Makes the 'old' iPhone obvsolete.

"The new generation will make us forget the first generation that sold more than 5,5 pieces" is the analysis of a specialist who thinks that the patience of swisscom will be in the company's profit. "After a year of service in the United States and a little more than 7 months in Europe, the 'old' model has become obsolete." All of a sudden, operators like T-mobile in Germany are selling this swiss knife of multimedia at discount prices. Just like AT&T in USA that cut his price in half at 170$.

Lips are still very sealed at swisscom concerning the deal with the californian company. "Nothing is done" is the comment of Christian Neuhaus, spokesman of swisscom. Apple also remains silent. "But the signs are obvious" continues an observator. The blue giant has been launching a mobile television service.

Another indicator : Apple signed an alliance with the english Vodafone. The worlds number one telephone company will distribute the iPhone in ten or more countries and will develop services with content for apple's machine. Swisscom, that is a partner of the English coloss since 2003, will take profit of that. There is also no doubt that the 40000 owners of a hacked iPhone in Switserland will be seduced by those new offers.

As a matter of fact who could resist to a live football match on his 3G.

[Dagless]

Mobile TV? Well that won't be big in the UK since AFAIK only 3 towns have the capability for it. But hell we've got the iPlayer and (will have) 3G!

Having a proper TV receiver would be a step backwards. You're tied to schedules then, with these streaming alternatives you can watch anything that was broadcast less than 7 days ago anytime you want.

[rols]

I doubt they would have mobile tv,that would cut right into iTunes sales

my current 3G phone has mobile TV .. sort of. There are a few programs streamed out over 3G, soccer matches are quite popular. It's really just a 3G streaming offering from the telco.

It's quite a good way to make use of 3G as video calls really haven't taken off (in my opinion)

[Sky Blue]

I think believe it's coming with an app called iKitchenSink

[Rolltideguy77]

I just want to be able to send MMS messages!

[The Phazer]

One would assume that by television it means DVB-H support. Interesting.

Phazer

[sassenach74]

wouldn't this be much like the service offered by t-mobile (uk), I don't think it's anything hardware for the iPhone, just a service the carrier is providing.
I might be wrong.

[sassenach74]

here is the service offered by t-mobile uk:

http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-tv-video-services/mobile-tv/

[Project]

Mobile TV? As in having an ATSC tuner (in the U.S., and all of the various equivalents in other countries)?

Or streamed from online sources? This seems far more likely, as it would not require an antenna.

Really, the iPhone has mobile TV already since it plays shows you've purchased via iTunes... perhaps this "new feature" is just a translation problem, rather than adding live television functionality.


In Europe at least it would just mean a DVB-H tuner. Quite a few phones already have it. It launches in Switzerland, Germany and some other countries next month I think.

[born4sky]

when ... ???? lol I can't wait already :mad:

[Pwned]

I think the new Iphone's will be called Iphone Plasma for their HD displays.

[Santa Rosa]

Just cant see it having TV. It just doesnt seem to ring Apple style.

Now if it had WiMax that would be cool. Seriously dont think I could use it anywhere but would be cool to say it had it lol.

As people have been alluding to (including myself with Wimax), in this thread, such as iKitchensink the new iPhone is being hyped to the brim with various features. In the end it will probably have very few of them.

[bushido]

this would indeed be a great new feature (tv) considering that 3G and dvb-t (i think thats how to spell it) is widely spread over germany already and would be perfect for it but can u imagine the price of that thing if the current model is already 499 € jeeze

[Gee4orce]

I heard it will also come with a backpack mounted battery, to power it for longer than 5 minutes.....

[BklynKid]

Thanks teleromeo.

jl234, we could all have done that much.

[Gee4orce]

I just want to be able to send MMS messages!

>SLAP!<

Wake up man ! MMS is just a way for the networks to charge you the equivalent of several hundred dollars per megabyte. Send photos by email - it's FREE !:rolleyes:

[bigmc6000]

Well, to be honest, I had just assumed that the iPhone would get get mobile TV (AT&T supported here in the US) with the advent of 3G and the 2.0 software. Even if it doesn't come free I'm sure AT&T will develop the software and sell it on the AppStore for, more than likely, some monthly fee (which I would hate) or just an upfront $10 or $20 or whatever.

[Pressure]

I heard it will also come with a backpack mounted battery, to power it for longer than 5 minutes.....

Oh sod it...

If the current iPhone can play movies for hours on end it surely must be able to stream TV for a good while.

[Mykbibby]

As people have been alluding to (including myself with Wimax), in this thread, such as iKitchensink the new iPhone is being hyped to the brim with various features. In the end it will probably have very few of them.

Or all of them... remember how low the expectations were for iPhone 1.0? We believed it was going to be a flip phone, at best a smartphone with slide out keyboard! We were all blown away... I expect Apple to try and make it a huge update, especially if it is the highlight of WWDC, and AT&T is taking the same time off as the last one.

[Kwill]

Shucks! That means another on/off switch will be added for power consumption. :p

[bigmc6000]

>SLAP!<

Wake up man ! MMS is just a way for the networks to charge you the equivalent of several hundred dollars per megabyte. Send photos by email - it's FREE !:rolleyes:

What? MMS doesn't cost a sent more than a text message since you have to have unlimited data when you get the iPhone anyway. I've got unlimited text's and the unlimited data so, to me, MMS is FREE...

And when my friends send me pictures going to that viewmymessage.com crap is so freakin annoying and doesn't work 3/4 of the time. It's embarrassing when your friends with free phones have basic functionality that you don't even know if you'll EVER get.

[Santa Rosa]

I heard it will also come with a backpack mounted battery, to power it for longer than 5 minutes.....

Yea thats what the reported bulge is on the back of the new iPhone, space for a small petrol generator and emergency battery... :rolleyes:

Steve up on stage: "Now we are really pleased with the battery life, isnt it amazing, boom, 2 hours standby, 10 minutes talk time, 30 seconds video. Isnt that amazing in this enclosure only 142565242mm thin..."

[slicecom]

3G Matte Black iPhone with GPS? Count me in!

[ANTMUZ]

Well for it to succeed in Japan this is quite a major feature over there. I guess video conferencing and GPS will help the business side of things. And they'd pretty much knock companies like TomTom down for GPS navigation - unless TomTom are doing the software!

[Small White Car]

I doubt they would have mobile tv,that would cut right into iTunes sales

Yeah, just like how people who own a TV at home don't buy shows on iTunes on their computer.

Oh, wait. That DOES happen! Who'd a thunk it?

[jeremie]

"Le matin" just so you know is not known as the most serious and reliable Swiss newspaper. So just don't get too much excited. They've announced several times the iPhone and we're still waiting for it. But maybe this one is for real... We'll know pretty soon obviously!

[johnnyjibbs]

This fits. 3G is not just about higher data rates. It's about videoconferencing, video calls and mobile television (including premiership goals, etc :rolleyes: )

The new iPhone is sounding even better by the day!

[DMann]

efinitely going to have to buy one now.
16GB 1st gen iPhone for sale if anyones interested

Asking price?

[L3X]

People have been bangin the battery life and in a sense I can agree to be skeptical.

But, if it does have a GPS then I will most likely use the GPS in the car and therefore will use a car power adapter in order to leave my phone on in GPS mode.

Same with the other functions, TV, etc. The only time I'd be able to sit and watch TV is traveling in a car or something. Give it up people. We're always close to somewhere we can plugin and recharge.

Battery life should be fine. Just don't walk around the city using the GPS all day .

[njfuzzy]

I think a lot of people are overlooking something...

Apple won't just add 3G to the iPhone, and leave it at that. They will add features that really make use of 3G, so it isn't just a bullet point, or a faster version of the same thing-- it will enable new functions.

Mobile TV of a sort makes sense. This could simply be an iTunes store on the phone that can directly download TV shows, like the current phones can do with music. Add streaming, a no brainer, and on-demand TV downloads from iTunes *are* mobile TV.

I think we will also see more location integration, thanks to the GPS. The Google Maps will get smarter, but other features (weather) could as well.

I would also expect to see a front-mounted camera for live video conferencing. If the phone doesn't have this, it will be because of worries from AT&T. If it does have it, expect the phone to let you initiate this during a call, and also from within iChat (if it appears) or SMS. Hopefully it will have a smart way of detecting that it is talking with another iPhone or iChat A/V.

What other killer apps can Apple enable with 3G internet on the iPhone?

[Infoboy2u]

Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.50 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/4.0.10406/308; U; en))

These features sound incredible but not at the cost of zero battery life. Waiting for the true story...

[DMann]

I heard it will also come with a backpack mounted battery, to power it for longer than 5 minutes.....

Like the one used for the portable (on wheels) MS 'Surface.'

[sunfast]

Does BBC iPlayer count as mobile tv?

[pixelbart]

One would assume that by television it means DVB-H support. Interesting.

Phazer
If they can cram so many receivers into an iPhone (WiFi/GSM/3G/GPS/DVB-H), then what is the reason why the MacBook Air only has WiFi?

[edesignuk]

If they can cram so many receivers into an iPhone (WiFi/GSM/3G/GPS/DVB-H), then what is the reason why the MacBook Air only has WiFi?It's not a case of having to cram them all in, many of those techs now ship on a single chip.

[sassenach74]

Does BBC iPlayer count as mobile tv?

Yes it does, in that case, it is a free service offered by the BBC.
People tend to look past the obvious to suit their own needs/fantasies.....
The mobile tv mentioned here is a service offered by the carrier....it is NOT hardware (tv tuner) added to the iPhone, other carriers offer it, it's nothing new.
Do you really think that Apple would add a tv tuner to the iPhone, when the reasoning for not having 3G on the first gen was due to battery life........If battery life has now been improved to implement 3G do you really think they will add a handfull of other battery sucking devices to the iPhone??(although I do believe GPS will be added)
Seriously, look at the obvious not the extreme.

[DMann]

I would also expect to see a front-mounted camera for live video conferencing. If the phone doesn't have this, it will be because of worries from AT&T.

AT&T will just have to wake up and smell the Java..... Skype is the next trend of international communications, and AT&T ought to be prepared to deal with that. The droves of new customers this would attract would generate far more income than that compromised from minutes bypassed for calls using Skype. This is a great opportunity here, and hopefully, Apple will jump on it.

[Small White Car]

Does BBC iPlayer count as mobile tv?

I dunno, can you watch a live sporting event on it?

I think that's the single best definion of "mobile tv."

If the answer is "no" then it's not mobile tv, it's a video library.

[sassenach74]

I dunno, can you watch a live sporting event on it?

I think that's the single best definion of "mobile tv."

If the answer is "no" then it's not mobile tv, it's a video library.

It has to be a sporting event to warrant calling it tv???
eh?
The BBC iplayer is TV...on a mobile device, live or recorded it's still TV....therefore it's mobile tv, care to tell me what it's called otherwise?

[mark34]

Well, wouldn't live TV be hard without 3G?

Exactly!! Seems there are more and more people saying that 3G is not the top need. I just don't get that. It's like saying I like my slingbox more than having broadband internet.

[Small White Car]

It has to be a sporting event to warrant calling it tv???

Uh, no.

I guess what I meant to say is that it's CAPABLE of playing a live sporting event. It's just a good, quick shorthand for getting at the heart of the matter. If there's a service out there calling itself "mobile tv" but is technically incapable of providing a sporting event live, well then it's mis-named.

It doesn't litterally HAVE to be playing sports, I'm just saying that it has to be ABLE to do it.

[sassenach74]

From the BBCi player website:

BBC iPlayer
BBC iPlayer is the easy-to-use service that lets you access television programmes via your PC. It offers seven-day catch-up television and now also incorporates radio 'listen again' and live streaming.

The TV programmes are free for UK licence fee payers, at high quality and with no advertising. Once you have downloaded a programme to your computer you have 30 days within which to start watching and seven days to finish watching it.

The BBC is looking at offering BBC iPlayer on a range of platforms including cable and mobile.

The part in bold, as we already know has been implemented for mobile (I have it on my ipod touch)

[applemumba]

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[sassenach74]

Uh, no.

I guess what I meant to say is that it's CAPABLE of playing a live sporting event. It's just a good, quick shorthand for getting at the heart of the matter. If there's a service out there calling itself "mobile tv" but is technically incapable of providing a sporting event live, well then it's mis-named.

It doesn't litterally HAVE to be playing sports, I'm just saying that it has to be ABLE to do it.

He asked if it can be called MOBILE tv, not LIVE tv, for the former....yes it can.

[number9]

What? MMS doesn't cost a sent more than a text message since you have to have unlimited data when you get the iPhone anyway. I've got unlimited text's and the unlimited data so, to me, MMS is FREE...

And when my friends send me pictures going to that viewmymessage.com crap is so freakin annoying and doesn't work 3/4 of the time. It's embarrassing when your friends with free phones have basic functionality that you don't even know if you'll EVER get.

Except they aren't free...nothing is free... you pay what, $20 bucks a month for unlimited SMS, correct? So no, they aren't free, you just pay a proportionately smaller amount per message depending on how many you send. Either way, its an additional charge on top of the unlimited data included in the phone plan, so technically it is cheaper to just email them. Besides, you can email other people's cell phones and have them receive them as MMS. While it would be a great feature to have built in, it's not really as dire a need as some people make it out to be.


Ok, off topic rant over.... I would think that the mobile TV thing would be market specific, seeing as it's much more prevalent in Europe than here in the US. ATT, Verizon, and Sprint all offer some sort of mobile TV and it really hasn't caught on. I think it's something you'll see released as a program in the App store in whatever iTunes store applies to that country/market. GPS and 3G at this point are the safest bets for the new iPhone, but you never know.

[edesignuk]

Well, wouldn't live TV be hard without 3G?DVB-H (the preferred method for mobile TV broadcasting in EU) is not something that runs on top of a 3G data connection. It's it's own technology on it's own frequency.

DVB-H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-H).

Having one feature does not equal the other.

[gcmexico]

I wonder if 3G is fast enough to support iChat. That would be amazing indeed, and save allot of minutes!

**
hope they have the ichat function! I will buy it in a heart beat if they do...I wonder if that will work with skype? I'm assuming skype will have 3rd party app:D

[Small White Car]

He asked if it can be called MOBILE tv, not LIVE tv

Well that's my point, I think "mobile TV" implies "live TV" and that things that aren't live shouldn't be called "mobile TV."

I'm just talking about my opinion here. The "TV" part of the name really implies that watching something live is possible. If it can't do that it should have a different name.

"TV Show Library" would be acceptable for non-live TV...it can have TV in the name, but if it's not live then it has to have something in the title that makes this clear. "Mobile TV" doesn't make that clear, thus the assumption is that it is live.

[MacEdit]

At least in the US, ATT (and verison) already have a sudo Mobile TV.

If the iPhone has 3G then it should be able to support the Cingular Video service (which i think they just call CV now). Plus there is the HBO mobile too.

so really my guess would be is that it will support CV.

[edesignuk]

You can bet your arse that if video calling is implemented it's usage won't fall under your unlimited iPhone data plan, but rather you'll be billed separately for a video call.

[PowerFullMac]

If this happens i am defiantly buying one!

[Shadowriver]

DVB-H is on top of DVB-T, it's lite version of DVB-T, it's that similar that DVB-T receivers detects DVB-H channels.

[Small White Car]

You can bet your arse that if video calling is implemented it's usage won't fall under your unlimited iPhone data plan, but rather you'll be billed separately for a video call.

Right, but hopefullly there would be an "unlimited TV" fee, just like there's an "unlimited text message" extra fee now.

So although you have to pay more to get it, once you do you don't have to watch you're usage ammount.

[TedB]

DVB-H (the preferred method for mobile TV broadcasting in EU) is not something than runs on top of a 3G data connection. It's it's own technology on it's own frequency.

DVB-H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-H).

Having one feature does not equal the other.

Beat me to the explanation lol...

To add to that AT&T currently uses MediaFLO for the AT&T Mobility program in the United States.

More information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaFLO

[edesignuk]

You can bet your arse that if video calling is implemented it's usage won't fall under your unlimited iPhone data plan, but rather you'll be billed separately for a video call.Right, but hopefullly there would be an "unlimited TV" fee, just like there's an "unlimited text message" extra fee now.

So although you have to pay more to get it, once you do you don't have to watch you're usage ammount.TV has absolutely nothing to do with video calling, as video would use 3G, where the TV would be using DVB-H (or equivalent).

:confused:

[saminsocks]

People seem to always compare the new iPhone with phones that will be coming out, instead of looking at phones that are already on the market. And while they may not be able to compete with every upcoming product, I can't imagine they'll release something that's not as good as something that's been out for months.

Helio phones have been on a 3G network since they were released. They have Garmin Mobile navigation capabilities as well as Google Maps GPS, Helio Video has many stations, including Fox Mobile, Fox Sports, ESPN, Discovery Channel, ABC Mobile and more (although I'm not sure if you can view live TV yet). You can use AIM, MSN messenger and Yahoo! messenger, and I believe MMS messaging. And there's a MySpace interface application, with a possible Facebook application coming. Their most expensive phone is $199 for new members (and they currently have a $100 back promo for it) and their unlimited everything plan is $99/month. And the talk time is listed as up to 5.1 hours. I don't have one but a friend of mine does and he never complains about lack of battery life. And I know he uses a lot of the features on the phone, and his AIM name is almost always online.

I'm not trying to promote the phone, I'd considered getting one but decided to wait and see what the new iPhone brought. The point is that even though few consumers know about these phones right now I doubt it has slipped past Apple's radar. So if they don't put out something that at least matches, if not exceeds, what Helio's done, I know what I'm getting in June.

As for the mobile TV streaming, like someone else said, having access to live television isn't going to deter from people buying shows on iTunes. The only way that would happen would be if they made the iPhone into a DVR device, and I definitely don't see that happening. But just think how popular mobile TV would be on a big game day if you're stuck somewhere without a television. Highlights are nice, but people want to see the action as it happens. Having that option would attract a lot of customers.

[neonfox]

Well for it to succeed in Japan this is quite a major feature over there. I guess video conferencing and GPS will help the business side of things. And they'd pretty much knock companies like TomTom down for GPS navigation - unless TomTom are doing the software!

??? Why do so many posters worry about it succeeding in Japan? They have fewer subscribers than the US (almost 120 million), and about the same % of the population has a mobile. [link (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2151rank.html)]

Apple needs to target the likes of China and India, who have the fastest mobile growth rates in the world. Last time I checked China had imported the largest amount of unlocked iPhones...

I believe Apple only entered the market with one carrier so that they could careful monitor the progress of their fledgling device. Now that they know everyone wants to get their hands on one, selling unlocked mobiles in these untapped markets are going to make Apple more minted than they've ever been.

[sterlingindigo]

Tank to Neo: "I got to tell you I'm fairly excited to see what [the new iPhone is] capable of. I mean if [Macrumors] is right and all. We're not supposed to talk about any of that, but if [it does], well then this is an exciting time. We got a lot to do so let's get to it."

[mongoos150]

I just want to be able to send MMS messages!
Word. Forget mobile TV and teleconferencing: GIVE ME THE FEATURE EVERY OTHER PHONE HAS HAD FOR YEARS. :mad:

[Hattig]

This is an extremely nice feature if it turns out to be true - DVB-H might even be a success if there's a high profile phone that supports it.

Typically Iran has 10 DVB-H TV channels now, whereas the UK has ... none. Awesome.

[moloukhya]

...Helio phones have been on a 3G network since they were released. They have Garmin Mobile navigation capabilities as well as Google Maps GPS, Helio Video has many stations, including Fox Mobile, Fox Sports, ESPN, Discovery Channel, ABC Mobile and more...

And that's what I thought too, so back in december I saw a promotion on American Express where I got a brand new Helio Ocean, and 6 months of unlimited everything for $400.

While the Helio might seem "ahead" thats only on paper, the build quality and user experience is nowhere close to the iPhone. I would gladly take an iPhone with "fewer features" just because of how well integrated everything was as well as the fact that its a smartphone (no helios are smartphones yet) It was almost a chore to use the phone, most functions requiring navigating through several menus, and waiting for the lag on the phone to catch up with my input. Never had that complaint on the iPhone.

Just goes to show you how important software is in addition to the hardware. You could have everything you want in a phone, but if its not implemented right, its useless. Check the helio forums before you buy, all are begging for firmware updates to fix freezes and white screen issues. They all hacked an Opera browser because the one the phone comes with is a joke. (So much for 3G right?)

I could go on, but from my 6 month experience with it, I CANT WAIT until the new iPhone comes out. Heck, if I didn't know a new one was coming out soon, I'd GLADLY go get the current iPhone. :)

[ppdix]

Apple needs to start listening to customers and rumor sites like this one.
Raising the bar is what Apple always did but lately PC's and other SmartPhones are catching up and sometimes beating the iphone in actual usable features... Some other phones might have more to offer but even limited as it is, no one can touch the iphone. Apple needs to realize what they have and give us all what WE want. Japan is a huge market and 3G is already old news over there, so Apple needs to give us the first video conference phone in the US with GPS and 3G, video capture, better camera but the TV seems useless to me.

[DMann]

Just cant see it having TV. It just doesnt seem to ring Apple style.

This is what Telly Mobile Television is for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1gYSepPW0o&eurl=http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/05/06/telly-provides-mobile-television-to-iphone/

http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/05/06/telly-provides-mobile-television-to-iphone/

Live TV, without compromising the size of the iPhone.

[bacaramac]

Two things related to the Mobile TV. The LG Vu (in US atleast) is the first real live TV that I am aware of. I am not sure how the Tech works, but it is supposed to be like Cable on your phone. Oh yeah, there is a big antenna that pulls out for the TV.

Second, it would have to all be digital since in the US you cannot broadcast over analog after Feb 2009. Any thoughts on this one if it is going to be true live TV? EDIT: Read up on DVB and it is Digital.

[EagerDragon]

I do not think I would be interested in the TV service. Besides it probably cost extra as it is a carrier service.

You can always go to CNN or you local TV station web site with the browser to get the news and some offer RSS.

Not watching much TV lately anyway.

[Monty1]

Do you guys think it will be unlockable? If so, How long after the iphone release will a software unlock be available? Days? Weeks? Months? Never!?!?

[mongoos150]

This is what Telly Mobile Television is for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1gYSepPW0o&eurl=http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/05/06/telly-provides-mobile-television-to-iphone/


Nice interface. If it could work quickly (without too much battery drain) and without framerate drop over a 3G network (read: not just wifi), I'd be happy to hand over an extra $10/month.

[edesignuk]

Do you guys think it will be unlockable? If so, How long after the iphone release will a software unlock be available? Days? Weeks? Months? Never!?!?It'll be unlocked, I don't think there is any question. How long it will take though, that's anyone's guess.

[kallisti]

I'm not trying to promote the phone, I'd considered getting one but decided to wait and see what the new iPhone brought. The point is that even though few consumers know about these phones right now I doubt it has slipped past Apple's radar. So if they don't put out something that at least matches, if not exceeds, what Helio's done, I know what I'm getting in June.

Much of the focus recently has been on the hardware aspects of the upcoming iPhone revision. Don't forget about the software side. Whether Apple matches all of the hardware options on every other phone out there may not ultimately matter. I think the software available through the app store will ultimately be what distinguishes the iPhone from everything else. As a medical professional, I am drooling to get my hands on the iPhone version of Epocrates. It's the only thing I miss from my old Treo.

Don't want to downplay the hardware side of things. But before you buy your Helio I'd wait and see what apps become available in the store in the months following it's release. It might make that Helio not so attractive after all. Have to see. Who really knows at this point?

[muncyweb]

I hear it can unlock your car. But that takes 45% of the battery. :(

I heard it could morph into a tiny lawn mower. The GPS helps guide it around the yard. I'm looking forward to that.

[kis]

LeMatin has been spreading rumors about the immediate advent of the iPhone in Switzerland for more than a year.

Seriously people: this article is total bogus.

Also, Mobile TV is nothing new on 3G handsets - Vodafone and Swisscom have been offering that for about 18 months now. Nobody uses it.

Another Swiss newspaper (20min.ch) also quoted an "inside source" on the iPhone a week ago. Strangely, that "insider" told us that the iPhone wouldn't arrive in Switzerland until 2009: http://www.20min.ch/tools/suchen/story/24300689

[Skydark]

I live in Switzerland. Our mobile carrier (Swisscom) has announced last week a new very high mobile TV definition with 3,5G capacity. The journalist has meant that the new iPhone will be able to receive this type of content because it will be 3G, but it does not mean that the iPhone will have a DAB receiver.

[DMann]

Don't want to downplay the hardware side of things. But before you buy your Helio I'd wait and see what apps become available in the store in the months following it's release. It might make that Helio not so attractive after all. Have to see. Who really knows at this point?

The iPhone 2 capabilities and apps presented in June will represent the very tip or the iceberg in terms of capabilities, potential, and ongoing releases for a world class hand-held smartphone running a true UNIX OS. Quantum leaps forward from here on in.

[hdasmith]

Can't say I'm worried about live TV when I've got BBC iPlayer. If C4 also made their 4oD service compatible with Macs and the iPhone, then I wouldn't bother with TV anymore, and just use these services. Come on C4, even ITV have managed to get a Mac version going!!

[Smith288]

Orb released OrbLive which is Live TV in every sense of the word. What ever my cable is showing at home, I will see on my phone. Any channel i want.

[kis]

I live in Switzerland. Our mobile carrier (Swisscom) has announced last week a new very high mobile TV definition with 3,5G capacity. The journalist has meant that the new iPhone will be able to receive this type of content because it will be 3G, but it does not mean that the iPhone will have a DAB receiver.

DAB is digital radio, not video. However, you're wrong about the 3G part as well: http://www.swisscom.ch/res/tv/bluewintv_mobile/index.htm?languageId=de

the new TV service indeed does use DVB-H and not 3.5G

[EagerDragon]

Be prepared to pay $5.00 an hour for TV.

Anyone with this service, please state what it cost.

[Peace]

The vast majority of people that will be using video conferencing surely won't be doing it walking down a street. They will be sitting in an espresso place or some other place that has WIFI so 3G won't come into play for that in most circumstances.

Battery life will be about the same as it is now if you're using WIFI.

[PowerFullMac]

The vast majority of people that will be using video conferencing surely won't be doing it walking down a street. They will be sitting in an espresso place or some other place that has WIFI so 3G won't come into play for that in most circumstances.

Battery life will be about the same as it is now if you're using WIFI.

If by video conferencing they mean video calls then they need to be connected to a 3G network and its done though the phone company, not the internet, video conferencing over the net is different from video calling with 3G.

[ppdix]

The vast majority of people that will be using video conferencing surely won't be doing it walking down a street. They will be sitting in an espresso place or some other place that has WIFI so 3G won't come into play for that in most circumstances.

Battery life will be about the same as it is now if you're using WIFI.

I don't see the reason to do video conferencing in a coffee place. U want to be able to show the other party what u are looking at. Like sightseeing in Miami or Paris or from the top of the Empire State bldg... Or from home talking to your girlfriend and having a naughty video conference... :eek:I think u should have a choice to either use the small front camera or the back one to show people what u see... That is the whole purpose of the video to me. :)

[Peace]

If by video conferencing they mean video calls then they need to be connected to a 3G network and its done though the phone company, not the internet, video conferencing over the net is different from video calling with 3G.

Skype.

[MrCrowbar]

iPhone coming to Switzerland this summer

Apple's new generation of 3G phone to be sold at Swisscom soon

Only a few more weeks to go...
If everything goes right the Swiss will be able to get their hands on all beautiful, brand new, iPhones in Swisscom stores starting this summer. Apple and Switzerland's number one tele-communications company indeed just signed a deal to collaborate according to a Swisscom Source.

And surprise; the upcoming phone rom the fruity brand has 3G—the new standard for multimedia. Fitted with a more powerful chip, the fashinable device will offer more functionality like video conference, mobile television and GPS. It should start selling in the USA in june.

Rendering the "old" iPhone obsolete
"The new iPhone version will put the first generation, which sold more than 5.5 million times, to shame", according to a specialized analyst who thinks Swisscom's patience for this deal has payed off. "After one year of service in the USA and just a little more than 9 months in Europe, the 'old' iPhone has become obsolete." Measnwhile, telephone operators like T-Mobile in Germany are trying to get rid of the current multimedia swiss army knife, just like AT&T in the US who cut the price in half to $170 (170 swiss francs).

Not to mention that the secret transaction with the California based company is well kept at Swisscom. Spokesperson Christian Neuhaus insists that "nothing has been sealed yet". Same tight-lipp-ness from Apple. "But the clues aren't wrong" an observator adds. The blue giant [translator's note: Swisscom has a blue logo] just launched a mobile television service.

Another clue: Apple has signed an allience with Vodaphone of England. The world's number one in telephony will distribute iPhones in a few ten countries, and above all, will develop content delivery services for Apple's machine. Swisscom who is a partner of the english giant [translator's note: Vodaphone] since 2003 will profit from this. And no one doubts that the 40,000 owners of black market iPones will be seduces by the new offers.

Indeed, who could resist a soccer match live on his 3G phone?

[MacFabulous]

It has to be a sporting event to warrant calling it tv???
eh?
The BBC iplayer is TV...on a mobile device, live or recorded it's still TV....therefore it's mobile tv, care to tell me what it's called otherwise?

Come on!... There is Streaming and feeds from video-library´s - and then there is television!... Which is programs, movies, sports and the likes SEND TO YOU DIRECTLY AS SCHEDULED ON THE TV-GUIDE. These are clearly different things!

Here in Denmark it´s becoming standart on 3G phones with live tv-feeds from various channels! Therefore an iPhone without this function would be a NO GO here, If you ask me.

[mathewr]

The vast majority of people that will be using video conferencing surely won't be doing it walking down a street. They will be sitting in an espresso place or some other place that has WIFI so 3G won't come into play for that in most circumstances.

Battery life will be about the same as it is now if you're using WIFI.

i will most cerntainly be walking down the st like an idiot while video chatting

[sassenach74]

COME ON!... There is Streaming and feeds from video-library´s - and then there is television!... Which is programs, movies, sports and the likes SEND TO YOU DIRECTLY AS SCHEDULED ON IN THE TV-GUIDE. These are clearly different things!

Here in Denmark it´s becoming standart on 3G phones with live tv-feeds from various channels! Therefore an iPhone without this function would be a NO GO here, If you ask me.

Excuse me, but I'm not arguing that live tv is different to pre-recorded tv, the question was 'is BBC iPlayer mobile tv' answer 'yes'

If you want to go that route, then practically anything on your home tv cannot be considered proper tv as most of it is pre-recorded.
if I watch a re-run of a Simpsons episode on tv, it is exactly the same as watching a re-run of eastenders on the BBC iplayer, one is fed over air one is fed via the net,no?

[sassenach74]

Here in Denmark it´s becoming standart on 3G phones with live tv-feeds from various channels! Therefore an iPhone without this function would be a NO GO here, If you ask me.

Then it's a good job Apple didn't ask you isn't it

[MacFabulous]

Then it's a good job Apple didn't ask you isn't it

I don´t understand? Why wouldn´t I wish for something the competition already have? I would of cause wish/ask for a better and more capable iPhone than the competition. And If there is no functionality that let´s me watch my programs live on the iPhone... then Nokia and the likes are winning that particular battle. So of cause Im wishing/asking for this to happen!

[kis]

The vast majority of people that will be using video conferencing surely won't be doing it walking down a street.

we've had video conferencing via 3G/UMTS for 2 years here - nobody EVER uses that.

[saminsocks]

While the Helio might seem "ahead" thats only on paper, the build quality and user experience is nowhere close to the iPhone. I would gladly take an iPhone with "fewer features" just because of how well integrated everything was as well as the fact that its a smartphone (no helios are smartphones yet) It was almost a chore to use the phone, most functions requiring navigating through several menus, and waiting for the lag on the phone to catch up with my input. Never had that complaint on the iPhone.

Just goes to show you how important software is in addition to the hardware. You could have everything you want in a phone, but if its not implemented right, its useless. Check the helio forums before you buy, all are begging for firmware updates to fix freezes and white screen issues. They all hacked an Opera browser because the one the phone comes with is a joke. (So much for 3G right?)

I could go on, but from my 6 month experience with it, I CANT WAIT until the new iPhone comes out. Heck, if I didn't know a new one was coming out soon, I'd GLADLY go get the current iPhone. :)

I agree. I didn't really care much for the UI when I played with my friend's phone. But I still think hardware is important. I don't want to wait for someone to write software for what I want to do with the phone, and then risk having to pay for it, especially if phones that include that with the hardware do it for free. Personally, I'm not all that excited about the App Store. I don't use an abundance of apps on my MBP, and I won't need them for my phone. My main reason for getting an iPhone, or something similar, would be so that I don't need to have a bunch of devices. I'd rather have one iPhone that can do everything than a phone, an iPod and my TomTom. The rest is just an added bonus to me, if it comes.

[PowerFullMac]

Skype.

...Which works completely different from video calling over the network.

[KSpider]

we've had video conferencing via 3G/UMTS for 2 years here - nobody EVER uses that.



People keep saying that nobody ever uses the video conferencing on their phones in europe. While this may be true, I believe something like the iPhone with this capability will greatly/exponentially increase the use of video conferencing on phones. Millions of iPhone users will have the capability, the more phones on the market with the capability, the more it will get used. Before the iPod, very few people used mp3 players, then look what happened.

[bigmc6000]

Except they aren't free...nothing is free... you pay what, $20 bucks a month for unlimited SMS, correct? So no, they aren't free, you just pay a proportionately smaller amount per message depending on how many you send. Either way, its an additional charge on top of the unlimited data included in the phone plan, so technically it is cheaper to just email them. Besides, you can email other people's cell phones and have them receive them as MMS. While it would be a great feature to have built in, it's not really as dire a need as some people make it out to be.


Ok, off topic rant over.... I would think that the mobile TV thing would be market specific, seeing as it's much more prevalent in Europe than here in the US. ATT, Verizon, and Sprint all offer some sort of mobile TV and it really hasn't caught on. I think it's something you'll see released as a program in the App store in whatever iTunes store applies to that country/market. GPS and 3G at this point are the safest bets for the new iPhone, but you never know.

The point is I pay for the unlimited texts, just as you pay for unlimited data so even sending e-mail isn't free if you want to go that route. I get unlimited texts because otherwise it would end up costing me a lot more as I've had a number of months in which there were more than 2k texts coming in/going out. So, to me, I'm already getting the value of paying $20 so if you add a functionality on top of that it's, technically, "free." And obviously from your post you don't send or receive that many MMS. If you did you're realize how annoying it is. As for the sending them an e-mail, you'd have to find out the carrier for each one of your friends (a very annoying practice) and then go in and manually create an e-mail address for them and even if you do that it's still no guarantee it'll work (Yes, I've tried and it doesn't always work). Add on top of that I honestly don't know anyone who actually knows their friends actual numbers (pluses and minuses of contact lists), I know my parents # and a few of my friends work numbers but that's it.

Why no love for agreeing with my post about the TV available via the AppStore? ;)

[MacFabulous]

Excuse me, but I'm not arguing that live tv is different to pre-recorded tv, the question was 'is BBC iPlayer mobile tv' answer 'yes'

If you want to go that route, then practically anything on your home tv cannot be considered proper tv as most of it is pre-recorded.
if I watch a re-run of a Simpsons episode on tv, it is exactly the same as watching a re-run of eastenders on the BBC iplayer, one is fed over air one is fed via the net,no?

I did´nt mention anything about pre-recorded content. It can be old Chaplin movies for my sake. I would really like to watch him on my iPhone:). No, what I mean is... What you can watch on your tv in your livingroom RIGHT NOW, is also the feed you should get directly to your (hopefully) iPhone. I say there is a difference between this and the streamed content most providers bring to market. A might go as far as to call some of it internet tv though. But I do´nt have all the right answers:o:)

Therefore I would´nt call watching content on the AppleTV for watching tv. Now, what OrbLive offers is more like it. That I would call TV regarding your iPhone. What ever my cable is showing at home, I will be able to see on my phone. Any channel i want. Link: http://www.orb.com/en/orblive

Maybe we need a new definition regarding the "library´ish" tv-content out there? It just ain´t regular tv.

[bigmc6000]

Be prepared to pay $5.00 an hour for TV.

Anyone with this service, please state what it cost.

Well - Sprint's $99.99 plan that has unlimited everything includes their SprinTV service. That type of mobile TV is actually quite cheap (relatively speaking)

[DGaio]

Interesting, Mobile TV is probably the best feature in this rumor, basically all PT operatores (Vodafone, TMN, dunno Optimus) have this feature. Having a bigger screen like the iPhone will be a real treat! :p :D

[Diode]

No one seems to point out that AT&T in the US has not cut prices ..... or have they?

[MacinDoc]

Well, once again, the rumor machine is going wild, and when the real product comes out, even if it is a huge improvement on the current model, everyone will complain about how disappointed they are that it is not what they expected...

[Chef Medeski]

People have been bangin the battery life and in a sense I can agree to be skeptical.

But, if it does have a GPS then I will most likely use the GPS in the car and therefore will use a car power adapter in order to leave my phone on in GPS mode.

Same with the other functions, TV, etc. The only time I'd be able to sit and watch TV is traveling in a car or something. Give it up people. We're always close to somewhere we can plugin and recharge.

Battery life should be fine. Just don't walk around the city using the GPS all day .
Ummm... not those of us that do not drive. And have to commute for an hour each way. If I'm walking around all day, hopping off and on buses, I'd like to hope at the end of the day if I get lost I would be able to make it back. Atleast one day's charge. I hope they allow an option for GPS like 3G in case I rather use the current iPhone feature of just triangulation. Cause I'm sure that works just as good. I don't need minute by minute details.

[bacaramac]

No one seems to point out that AT&T in the US has not cut prices ..... or have they?

I don't know, does anyone know what the new LG Vu's live tv service costs.

[GFLPraxis]

>SLAP!<

Wake up man ! MMS is just a way for the networks to charge you the equivalent of several hundred dollars per megabyte. Send photos by email - it's FREE !:rolleyes:

I have unlimited texts. MMS is free. Everyone I know can get MMS on their phone, but not email. Friends are always sending me MMS's and I have to embarrassingly tell them my phone can't receive it. And their phone can't email it to me.

Seriously, it's ridiculous that I can't send or receive MMS. It's not difficult for Apple to implement.

If they can cram so many receivers into an iPhone (WiFi/GSM/3G/GPS/DVB-H), then what is the reason why the MacBook Air only has WiFi?

You forgot Bluetooth.

[PowerFullMac]

Gee4orce, did you know that text messages cost a fraction of a penny and that the former CEO of Vodafone once described texting as the purist form of profit ever invented? Its not just MMS... Phone networks/carriers or whatever you want to call them will do anything to rip you off, they are all greedy mother****ers, simple.

[VideoShooter]

I want...
-Data tether via Bluetooth
-32GB of space
-better camera (with light, or flash)
-GPS
-Much better battery life (even if it means a thicker device)
-MUCH better speaker phone speakers (this is a big one for me)

Video conferencing is cool... But I'm not dying for it.
Live TV would be very cool... But I'm not dying for it either.

I would say this...

THAT would be the ultimate phone.


Question: How soon can they build in a projector and 1080p?

[GFLPraxis]

It'll be unlocked, I don't think there is any question. How long it will take though, that's anyone's guess.

It'll be unlocked almost instantly. Actually, I think it already HAS been unlocked. At least, the beta firmware has (it'll be using the new firmware).

The problem is that nobody in the US has a 3G network yet. So unlocking a 3G iPhone won't do you any good if other carriers don't have 3G.

[PowerFullMac]

It'll be unlocked almost instantly. Actually, I think it already HAS been unlocked. At least, the beta firmware has (it'll be using the new firmware).

The problem is that nobody in the US has a 3G network yet. So unlocking a 3G iPhone won't do you any good if other carriers don't have 3G.

:eek: No 3G in the US?!?! We have had it here since 2003! I remember the first 3G phones, I have one, the Motorola A835 (http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Oct2003/3MotorolaA835MTV.jpg), as big as a brick, the shape looks like the "banana phone" iPhone spoof from GTA 4 and the battery lasted less than a day! Got it £25 brand new of pay as you go, though!

[Chef Medeski]

:eek: No 3G in the US?!?! We have had it here since 2003! I remember the first 3G phones, I have one, the Motorola A835, as big as a brick, the shape looks like the "banana phone" iPhone spoof from GTA 4 and the battery lasted less than a day! Got it £25 brand new of pay as you go, though!
No he means no one else has a good network. ATT has a quite expansive network. T-Mobile is only just starting to build one. The other 3G Network, Verizon would not work with the iPhone cause its CDMA. So effectively ATT is the sole working network.

[t0mat0]

Since when was DVB-H new news?

This was a possibility in April and before - ever since the SGOLD3H chip was linked to the 3G iPhone.
Nice to have everyone on board, courtesy of an "unnamed" "source" from Swisscom... Cough cough Schiller cough cough.

[PowerFullMac]

No he means no one else has a good network. ATT has a quite expansive network. T-Mobile is only just starting to build one. The other 3G Network, Verizon would not work with the iPhone cause its CDMA. So effectively ATT is the sole working network.

Bit late aint ya? All networks here support 3G, except maybe one or two... :p

[w00master]

Orb released OrbLive which is Live TV in every sense of the word. What ever my cable is showing at home, I will see on my phone. Any channel i want.

Except that there's no desktop Orb client for the Mac - it's Windows only (for now). Which means that w/o a Desktop client for the Mac, using Orb on the iPhone for a lot of us is worthless.

Also, I've always found Orb on the windows side to be slow and a HUGE cpu hog. People complain about Flash all the time has never had to deal with Orb before. Note, I do love Orb as a concept, but they really need to optimize their desktop software.

w00master

[skellener]

One would assume that by television it means DVB-H support. Interesting. Ahahahahahaha! I can see it now, an iPhone with giant 8ft. rabbit ears sticking out of it! Ain't gonna work in a subway. Apple wants to sell you shows from iTunes. Don't count on this.

[eurisko]

The iphone... doesn't do things my 79 Eur cellphone does like, Watch TV online, send a MMS, and can also work as modem on 3g speed.(it also does copy and paste)

3G speeds in my country in the last generation devices support 7.2 mbps.
I think is quite enough to watch tv :)

I hope the new ipod support for 3g also improves the battery time. otherwise... i will skip it.
I just wish my ipod touch could do copy & paste.


DVB-H ? on the new ipod?! not even close. just IPTV over 3g

[saminsocks]

People keep saying that nobody ever uses the video conferencing on their phones in europe. While this may be true, I believe something like the iPhone with this capability will greatly/exponentially increase the use of video conferencing on phones. Millions of iPhone users will have the capability, the more phones on the market with the capability, the more it will get used. Before the iPod, very few people used mp3 players, then look what happened.
Video conferencing will probably be a big deal for some and a seldom if never used feature for others, much like it is now. I think it will be more popular if it can be integrated with other computer-based applications, like Skype or iChat. Or even a completely separate application altogether, as long as people without an iPhone can communicate with those who have one. I still don't see it being practical in a business setting (unless they make iStands, which probably won't be hard to do) but I can definitely see it being used a lot among friends who want to show others what's going on around them or with couples who are apart and one is in a place without a computer or internet access.

Also, as far as live TV goes, if it's an option I doubt there will be an extra charge for it. I would consider that to be included in the unlimited data. Most stations that would be available are free anyway, or part of a basic cable package that costs next to nothing. What does it hurt to spend a little extra to get ESPN if it means you increase your customer base by 15%?

[iainr]

>SLAP!<

Wake up man ! MMS is just a way for the networks to charge you the equivalent of several hundred dollars per megabyte. Send photos by email - it's FREE !:rolleyes:

or you could use a decent network which gives you such things for free. And with the added bonus of being about a million times easier and more practical for just quickly sending a photo directly to someone. I guess MMS probably never took off in a lot of places but i know i wouldn't bother buying a phone that isn't mms capable. its been around for so long that i can't believe the iphone doesn't use it, i certainly send a lot of picture messages as do a lot of people i know

[Chef Medeski]

Bit late aint ya? All networks here support 3G, except maybe one or two... :p
Well I'm in Canada, and thats even worst. They just started rolling out 3G a couple months back. Only one carrier. Thats it. About 15 cities. So yeah....

I think it has to be due to the population density. US has lower population density than Europe and Canada even lower than US. It makes it harder to implement.

[vostok]

Hey guys ....

In my opinion , the new iPhone will have a lot of new features and applications especially after SDK release , so even if a new device (2nd generation) wouldn;t come out that would make no problem to make applications and sync some Bluetooth device for GPS.
Video conference is supported by 3G and also TV streaming through 3G , so i think there will be no TV receiver-tuner whatever , just 3G through which , each operator will offer Live TV , Video conference etc.
The battery consumption for 3G is really fast even for phones with long battery life ... so iPhone is offering on/off button for 3G not to have useless battery loss .
So the article's point i think is , that 3G iPhone ready and will be on the market soon.

V*:)

[edesignuk]

It'll be unlocked almost instantly. Actually, I think it already HAS been unlocked. At least, the beta firmware has (it'll be using the new firmware).They've done the 2.0 firmware, I know, unlocking the baseband (and this is what unlocks you to any network) could be quite another matter. They'll definitely do it, but I wouldn't count on it being instant.

[iMikeT]

I hope we don't see anyone crying when none of these are delivered. :rolleyes:

[edesignuk]

I hope we don't see anyone crying when none of these are delivered. :rolleyes:3G will be delivered, no question. GPS has a high probability. TV, who knows, but then really, who cares. I can't see the inclusion of TV as being a deciding feature for many.

[PowerFullMac]

3G will be delivered, no question. GPS has a high probability. TV, who knows, but then really, who cares. I can't see the inclusion of TV as being a deciding feature for many.

I am not too sure about the GPS having high probability, especially after Apple put effort in to making the Maps app do flashy GPS-like stuff.

[twoodcc]

well this would make a lot of people happy. i hope it's true

[happydude]

t.v. could be cool . . . but . . . not really seeing it making me go out and ditch my current iphone to buy a new one. i'm just waiting to see what the software upgrade will do for us!! copy/paste/edit, anyone? disk mode? picture messaging? you know, things smart phones have been able to do for a few years now . . .

[happydude]

I am not too sure about the GPS having high probability, especially after Apple put effort in to making the Maps app do flashy GPS-like stuff.

yeah, but this was huge for those of us who bought the iphone already. apple takes care of its current customers. probably thought, "well gps in the next one, but lets take care of our early adopter peeps right now and throw them a bone." and voilá, we could find ourselves on the map.

[edesignuk]

I am not too sure about the GPS having high probability, especially after Apple put effort in to making the Maps app do flashy GPS-like stuff.Apple did nothing. It's Google maps, remember? And although a useful addition, it's a long long way from being anywhere near as useful/accurate as an actual GPS receiver.

[newyorksole]

I want to believe all of these rumors of GPS and video recording and TV, but I just have a feeling that Apple won't deliver. I think they might be just relying on the SDK to bring in all of the buyers. I think the new iPhone will have GPS, but I don't bet on much else. I do hope I'm wrong though, I pray I'm wrong.

From the time Apple announced the iPhone until the time it was released, the only thing that changed was

1) They added a youtube app
2) They put glass on the phone
3) Changed around some minor features and display items

In 6 months that's all they did and from the release until now they added a few new things as well, but only 1 more app. So I really don't expect them to put much on the new iPhone, however I hope I'm wrong.

[skellener]

I hope we don't see anyone crying when none of these are delivered. :rolleyes:MacRumors is always FULL of people with posts like "I just bought my -insert Apple product here- yesterday. Can I get a refund?" They should really pay attention to the Buyer's Guide (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com) right at the top of the page. :)

[skellener]

In 6 months that's all they did and from the release until now they added a few new things as well, but only 1 more app. So I really don't expect them to put much on the new iPhone, however I hope I'm wrong. Regardless of what Apple adds everything will change. It is no longer simply a device, but a platform. Developers can make apps for it (legit ones and hacks). It's gonna get interesting now!

[rumorsdestroyer]

.. to believe in lematin is to believe like every ariticle in the british sun.. lematin knows nothing, that's just a newspaper like the german bild-newspaper who takes a mouse-story and does a elephant-story.. so don't believe them any word, they needed just some online-readers :-)

[Compile 'em all]

I am not too sure about the GPS having high probability, especially after Apple put effort in to making the Maps app do flashy GPS-like stuff.

iPod touch.

[PowerFullMac]

iPod touch.

Actally, as finding you uses mostly the phone masts, it is much better on the iPhone, more reliable and accurate.

[Foocha]

Apple did nothing. It's Google maps, remember? And although a useful addition, it's a long long way from being anywhere near as useful/accurate as an actual GPS receiver.
The Google Maps app was developed by Apple using the Google Maps API, and the location service is handled using a combination of GSM triangulation and Skyhook data (http://www.skyhookwireless.com/inaction/apple.php) which Apple licensed. I agree that the fact Apple went to all this trouble makes GPS less likely in the next iPhone - not impossible though, by any means.

[kis]

People keep saying that nobody ever uses the video conferencing on their phones in europe. While this may be true, I believe something like the iPhone with this capability will greatly/exponentially increase the use of video conferencing on phones. Millions of iPhone users will have the capability

Well, close to all phones sold in Europe in the last year or so are video-conferencing capable yet still nobody uses the service. So as a matter of fact, I'd say there are at least 50 million 3G phones in use in Europe (not necessarily all on 3G networks, though). I highly doubt a couple hundred thousand iPhones are going to change the fact that video conferencing is an even bigger flop over here than mobile TV.

[edesignuk]

The Google Maps app was developed by Apple using the Google Maps API, and the location service is handled using a combination of GSM triangulation and Skyhook data (http://www.skyhookwireless.com/inaction/apple.php) which Apple licensed. I agree that the fact Apple went to all this trouble makes GPS less likely in the next iPhone - not impossible though, by any means.Are you sure about that? "My Location" (http://www.google.com/mobile/gmm/mylocation/index.html) for Google Maps was released to other handsets that could run Google maps before Apple finally updated their version (in a full firmware revision) to support it.

[Foocha]

Are you sure about that? "My Location" (http://www.google.com/mobile/gmm/mylocation/index.html) for Google Maps was released to other handsets that could run Google maps before Apple finally updated their version (in a full firmware revision) to support it.
Thanks for the link. Google's My Location service appears to use GSM triangulation when GPS is not available, but the page you linked to makes no reference to Skyhook. The Apple case study on the Skyhook site makes no reference to Google - it implies that their client is Apple directly:
http://www.skyhookwireless.com/inaction/apple.php
That's why I suspect that Apple set up this service themselves. GPS would obviously be a better solution than Skyhook, but I wonder if Apple would have bothered with Skyhook at all if they knew they had a new model on the way featuring GPS.

[edesignuk]

Thanks for the link. Google's My Location service appears to use GSM triangulation when GPS is not available, but the page you linked to makes no reference to Skyhook. The Apple case study on the Skyhook site makes no reference to Google - it implies that their client was Apple directly:
http://www.skyhookwireless.com/inaction/apple.php
That's why I suspect that Apple set up this service themselves. GPS would obviously be a better solution that Skyhook, but I wonder if Apple would have bothered with Skyhook at all if they new they had a new model on the way featuring GPS.Hmmmm, fair enough. Perhaps they're using a combo of both.

Never the less, I think we can both agree popping a GPS receiver in there would be a great improvement over either :)

Furthermore, the new iPhone needs to be top tech for atleast the next 12 months. The N95 has had GPS from the beginning, I don't think Apple can afford to be without it if they are still going to insist on charging what is a huge premium over the competition.

[phatspider]

Be prepared to pay $5.00 an hour for TV.

Anyone with this service, please state what it cost.

erm - £5 a month in the UK with Vodafone

[Foocha]

Hmmmm, fair enough. Perhaps they're using a combo of both.

Never the less, I think we can both agree popping a GPS receiver in there would be a great improvement over either :)

Furthermore, the new iPhone needs to be top tech for atleast the next 12 months. The N95 has had GPS from the beginning, I don't think Apple can afford to be without it if they are still going to insist on charging what is a huge premium over the competition.

Yup - I agree GPS would be cool. And I do believe that Apple used services from both Google and Skyhook to put their Core Location service together. But it seems every time Apple does a major product release, there's one or two features that the Mac rumor community are really looking forward to which don't get included. My instinct is that GPS may be one of these omissions. Remember that SJ is as proud of what Apple doesn't do, as he is of what they do.

[megfilmworks]

3G, tv and GPS are not important to my iPhone usage at all.
I have wifi access almost everywhere I need it (although I would like 3G when I am in Scandanavia, UK or Europe)
and I have dedicated GPS units.
And I don't watch much TV.
But I would LOVE to see ALL of the above as I know many people would be very happy. And I own AAPL. LOL

[Sevi]

Mobile TV? As in having an ATSC tuner (in the U.S., and all of the various equivalents in other countries)?

Or streamed from online sources? This seems far more likely, as it would not require an antenna.

Really, the iPhone has mobile TV already since it plays shows you've purchased via iTunes... perhaps this "new feature" is just a translation problem, rather than adding live television functionality.


Well, as said in the article Swisscom just launched a live TV service (what else do you think does "télévision mobile" mean) and they gonna bring it out of its infancy soon!

...European Championship in Soccer is coming up in Switzerland, Swisscom is national supporter and they sure want to make this a big one!

he Swisscom marketing guys must just be exited about that timing ;-)

Just read another story that tells there wont be a data flat rate :-( ...must be a joke!


More on rumored tariffs etc. (german):

http://www.macprime.ch/news/article/details-zu-den-iphone-tarifen-und-dem-launch-mit-der-swisscom/

[psingh01]

I am not too sure about the GPS having high probability, especially after Apple put effort in to making the Maps app do flashy GPS-like stuff.

They only put it there as a temporary fix until GPS was available. Google Maps works with GPS coordinates anyway :)

[nyquist11]

I think the new Iphone's will be called Iphone Plasma for their HD displays.

You mean OLED, Right?:D:D:D:D

[irun5k]

They only put it there as a temporary fix until GPS was available. Google Maps works with GPS coordinates anyway :)

Also, the location API in the SDK appears to be totally agnostic of which technology is providing positional data. So if you're writing an app you'll just end up with the best data available, which on an existing iPhone means triangulated positions from hotspots and cell towers.... and on an iPhone v2 could mean GPS.

For some reason I don't feel that they would have built this API solely for the positional data that we are currently getting that was added as an afterthought. If they want guys like salesforce.com to use positional data from the phone to build an app, it really needs to originate from a GPS source.

[aussie_geek]

Mobile TV? As in having an ATSC tuner (in the U.S., and all of the various equivalents in other countries)?

Or streamed from online sources? This seems far more likely, as it would not require an antenna.

Really, the iPhone has mobile TV already since it plays shows you've purchased via iTunes... perhaps this "new feature" is just a translation problem, rather than adding live television functionality.

Nope - it should be live mobile tv - similar to dtv - like elgato eye tv but for mobiles. you may be able to record. the nokia n 96 - comming out later this year will have that functionality. - check out this you tube link. tv stuff starts at 1:15 in the vidNokia TV (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/13/3g-iphone-with-gps-video-conferences-tv/)


aussie_geek

[Buschmaster]

Well, wouldn't live TV be hard without 3G?
3G is slower than wifi....?

[DGaio]

erm - £5 a month in the UK with Vodafone

It's 0,99€/24 hours throught Vodafone 3G HDSPA in Portugal.

[btnnaz]

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii203/btnnaz/Picture4.png

LOOK JUST SAW ON ATT.COM!!! PUSHED REFRESH AND IT WAS GONE

[ImageWrangler]

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii203/btnnaz/Picture4.png

LOOK JUST SAW ON ATT.COM!!! PUSHED REFRESH AND IT WAS GONE

Nice try, but fake. 8 GB phones aren't even going to be in the equation during the next release.

[btnnaz]

i really did see that i dont know if it was a problem with my browser but it was there

[Gundampilotspaz]

Mobile TV is so silly on an iPhone. I can already put more video content on the device than I'd ever watch before syncing back up with a computer, and I don't need to have the radio on constantly while watching it!

Even after an hour of watching youtube videos the battery takes a huge hit. Te radio isn't even going the whole time! Streaming video will make the iPhone unusable for anything else

[louisvillesown]

so sorry if I'm repeating something already said, but currently I don't have the time to look through most of the 170 or so post on this topic. But I will mention as far as the mobile TV goes, AT&T has recently released mobile TV on select phones in select cities. Where I am from it hasn't yet been launched, but the phones that will use this have been said to be the Samsung Access and the LG Vu. Everything I have seen has limited it to those two, while it would make since to leave the iPhone out of the equation, so not to give on to too many new applications and such.

[Obi-Wan Kubrick]

I cant wait to see all of the coll apps that Apple will add to the new iPhone that no one has mentioned yet. Then I will be dissapointed by the simple things they usually leave out.

[zedsdead]

I cant wait to see all of the coll apps that Apple will add to the new iPhone that no one has mentioned yet. Then I will be dissapointed by the simple things they usually leave out.

Here's to To-Do-List synching and Color Coded Multiple Calendar Support so that iCal can be fully utilized.

[MacFly123]

Or all of them... remember how low the expectations were for iPhone 1.0? We believed it was going to be a flip phone, at best a smartphone with slide out keyboard! We were all blown away... I expect Apple to try and make it a huge update, especially if it is the highlight of WWDC, and AT&T is taking the same time off as the last one.

If the iPhone is to really really get into the industry and completely succeed and become the dominant player, Apple is going to need to add some pretty significant stuff or else BlackBerry is just going to keep their market share and kick Apple's but.

Now... I don't think BlackBerry is going to do that. I think Apple is going to blow us away again with iPhone 2.0 and it will be a strong round 2 of the iPhone revolution that will eat away BlackBerry's market share like crazy! I would not be surprised at all to get a big surprise at WWDC :)

[MacFly123]

I don't see the reason to do video conferencing in a coffee place. U want to be able to show the other party what u are looking at. Like sightseeing in Miami or Paris or from the top of the Empire State bldg... Or from home talking to your girlfriend and having a naughty video conference... :eek:I think u should have a choice to either use the small front camera or the back one to show people what u see... That is the whole purpose of the video to me. :)

I think you might like my design for the iPhone Camera App 2.0. In the top right corner it gives you a live preview of the inactive camera and to switch between the front or back camera you just touch and flip it like the album art in the iPod. Both cameras are accessible for pics, capturing video with the option to upload to .mac or YouTube, and iChat video conferencing in the iChat app. The front camera can use the screen for a flash like PhotoBooth and the back camera has a built in flash in the Apple logo. Not to toot my own horn but I think this would be a great way for Apple to implement it all that! :)

[kis]

...European Championship in Soccer is coming up in Switzerland, Swisscom is national supporter and they sure want to make this a big one!

It's going to be very hard to make this "a big one" considering the fact that the soccer championship is going to start in 3 weeks and there are no handsets available yet that support the DVB-H standard :-) Unless they give these things away for free on the street before the soccer tournament starts, nobody is going to use the service.

[kis]

3G is slower than wifi....?

uhm - yes

[joeshell383]

Except they aren't free...nothing is free... you pay what, $20 bucks a month for unlimited SMS, correct? So no, they aren't free...

Ever heard of fixed costs?

[kis]

http://www.20min.ch/digital/dossier/iphone/story/23680579

It's official - now the Swiss can finally stop complaining :-)

Swisscom has signed a contract with Apple for the distribution of the iPhone. It'll become available "this year". I'm willing to bet that it'll be here late June / early July.

Edit: here's the official announcement by Swisscom: http://www.swisscom.ch/res/iphone/index.htm?languageId=en

[joeshell383]

:eek: No 3G in the US?!?! We have had it here since 2003! I remember the first 3G phones, I have one, the Motorola A835 (http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Oct2003/3MotorolaA835MTV.jpg), as big as a brick, the shape looks like the "banana phone" iPhone spoof from GTA 4 and the battery lasted less than a day! Got it £25 brand new of pay as you go, though!

He meant no other network compatible with the iPhone has 3G, hence it would be pointless to unlock.

Verizon Wireless and Sprint have had 3G for years, but they are not compatible with the iPhone.

T-Mobile, the other major GSM carrier besides AT&T, only has 3G in one city (NYC), and just launched that a few weeks ago.

The "Broadband Access" on this map is Verizon Wireless' 3G coverage. It covers most of the U.S. population.

http://www.verizonwireless.com:80/b2c/store/coveragemap.jsp?item=planFirst&mapURL=/images_b2c/maps/national/bba.gif&planCatId=6925&mapId=1&mapApp=B2C&disclaimerURL=/images_b2c/shared/pixel/trans.gif&planCatDisplayName=BroadbandAccess&mlc_content=

[saperlot]

Mobile TV? As in having an ATSC tuner (in the U.S., and all of the various equivalents in other countries)?

Or streamed from online sources? This seems far more likely, as it would not require an antenna.

Really, the iPhone has mobile TV already since it plays shows you've purchased via iTunes... perhaps this "new feature" is just a translation problem, rather than adding live television functionality.


We have in switzerland since about 1.5 years Mobile TV on nearly all mobile phones. We can watch TV over streams over rtsp (real-time streaming protocol) i think there is only one app that features these types of streams.

[joeshell383]

In 6 months that's all they did...

That's not true as they were still playing catch up to finish the features Steve demoed in January.

Reporters who had the opportunity to play with it after MWSF said some of the applications hadn't even been loaded and were just placeholders.

[captain kaos]

Morning,

I know everyone is getting excited about the new iphone, i also find myself checking all the rumour sites every flippin day. but yesterday i thought of something. Even if it does come out, i've got to wait till october till i can upgrade my 02 contract, and even then i'll be screwed by an 18 month or 2 year contract and the next gen phone probably wont be hackable at all, so that stops me trying (somehow) to get one from the states. Then i thought to myself, as much as i love apple and i cant wait for the iphone, BUT im still waiting for an update that will allow my imove to work with my new Panasonic SD9 camera footage!!.....the irony is iMovie works with the (6 month) older SD5!!!!

It makes me wonder why apple seems to drop the ball on certain aspects of their products when the concentrate on "the money" products....come on steve!


Thats my rant for the day....now, whens that phone coming out!??:D

[Pigumon]

Why is no one excited by this? To think I could videochat with friends and family all over the world, no matter where I am, that is really awesome!

I guess people are so anti-social nowadays with their supremely low-tech text messages... what's that all about? :confused:

[kis]

Why is no one excited by this? To think I could videochat with friends and family all over the world, no matter where I am, that is really awesome!

That'll depend on how the video chat will work. If they use some beefed-up version of iChat for video the thing could work because the calls to other iChat computers or other iPhones would be free (as long as you have a data flat).

However, the 3G standard already includes a video-chat feature that is implemented in close to all handsets sold in Europe. When you call someone, this counts as a normal phone-call. Meaning calling is not going to be free - and calling abroad would cost a fortune. Also, when you're roaming, video-calls are insanely expensive (like 5 bucks per minute ...).

I don't know the exact reason but video-calls have never taken off in Europe. Nobody ever uses the feature. Perhaps they'll work in the US. If they were free, they'd probably work in Europe, too, though.

kis

[CoreForce]

Be reminded that the European Soccer Championship will kick off in June, taking place in Switzerland (and Austria). Swisscom is promoting quite heavily the MobileTV service for it, for which they expect a major push from the introduction of the iPhone... I would not be surprised to see a sale later this month already in order to get enough people on it for the championships.

[kdarling]

Frankly, for video chat, I'd be more interested in video Skype on a phone.

Lots of friends and family have video Skype on their desktops/laptops.

I could call them from the beach and (make them) wish they were there :)

[kdarling]

As for Swisscom and the Swiss forum rumor that has apparently ballooned into "fact"... some necessary info is missing if it were to be true.

I believe that Swisscom's mobile TV service uses DVB-H, broadcast over the air.

But there is no DVB-H service in the US. In fact, ATT bought up the US spectrum (and company) that was going to trial it.

Okay, so that would make it seem like ATT would also use DVB-H, except they just announced their use of Qualcomm's MediaFlo broadcasts, which Verizon's VCAST also uses.

Both DVB and MediaFlo rely on standalone transmission, which is good because there's no reliance on cell networks, and the quality is good... assuming you're in a city with it. (Sprint's TV, on othe other hand, uses their 3G network.)

[kis]

As for Swisscom and the Swiss forum rumor that has apparently ballooned into "fact"... some necessary info is missing if it were to be true.

I seriously doubt they'll be including DVB-H. However, Swisscom doesn't only offer mobile video through DVB-H but also through 3G streaming. They've been working together with Vodafone on this for years. As Vodafone is also a new Apple partner, they'll probably implement their Live TV feature in many countries, including Switzerland.

I personally believe they'll be adding some streaming capability to the iPhone video player so people can watch TV on the go via the 3G network. This service has been in place for years and works reasonably well. The image quality has been relatively bad so far but if the decent Apple codecs are used, that shouldn't be much of an issue. Over HSDPA, they could possibly even stream HD video if it's sized down to the iPhones screen-size. That would open the doors for video on demand services etc. I think it'd be pretty cool if I could have video-podcasts, news, music-videos or even whole movies streamed to my iPhone when I'm on the go.

kis

[zetsurin]

Fantastic. Millions of property shows, 'celebrity' specials, reality TV and other rubbish that constitues mindless UK television. No thanks!

[saminsocks]

Thanks for the link. Google's My Location service appears to use GSM triangulation when GPS is not available, but the page you linked to makes no reference to Skyhook. The Apple case study on the Skyhook site makes no reference to Google - it implies that their client is Apple directly:
http://www.skyhookwireless.com/inaction/apple.php
That's why I suspect that Apple set up this service themselves. GPS would obviously be a better solution than Skyhook, but I wonder if Apple would have bothered with Skyhook at all if they knew they had a new model on the way featuring GPS.
This update is available to current iPhone owners, right? If so the new iPhones may still have a GPS receiver and this update is to appease the early adopters who don't want to/can't afford to replace their phone.

[kis]

Fantastic. Millions of property shows, 'celebrity' specials, reality TV and other rubbish that constitues mindless UK television. No thanks!

Well, the "demand" part in "video on demand" means you get to pick what you want to watch :-)

[CaesarAugustus]

I do not know all specifications of the new 3G, but from 1st hand,

I DO know exactly when the new 3G iPhone will come out....

Remember my words, dear community, it will be:

Monday, 2nd June 2008

:cool:

:apple:

CaesarAugustus
from good, old Europe

[Aldaris]

Just browsing AT&T checking out 3G coverage in the local town and found this
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/messaging-internet/mobile-tv/
who knows- probably nothing.

[saminsocks]

Just browsing AT&T checking out 3G coverage in the local town and found this
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/messaging-internet/mobile-tv/
who knows- probably nothing.

It was mentioned before that the LG and the Samsung already have the mobile TV capabilities. It still doesn't say whether or not the iPhone will. Although if I have to pay $15 or $30/month for it it's not worth it. I only watch about 5 shows anyway, and I can record those with my tv tuner.

[wakerider017]

I wonder if 3G is fast enough to support iChat. That would be amazing indeed, and save allot of minutes!

iChat takes VERY LITTLE bandwidth (If using regular chat feature) and could easily have been implemented on the older EDGE network.

Video chat on the other hand does require more resources.

[anywherehome]

just this you want? Id want more to make from it usable phone....still I prefer much cheaper product, but iPhone is still the winner :)

https://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc7m8zt9_21sxk7fm47&hl=en_GB

[Compile 'em all]

just this you want? Id want more to make from it usable phone....still I prefer much cheaper product, but iPhone is still the winner :)

https://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc7m8zt9_21sxk7fm47&hl=en_GB

wow, you bringing back a 6 months old thread back to life just to post this?

fail.

[Pooshka]

Has iPhone not got GPS already???

[techlover828]

Has iPhone not got GPS already???

this thread is 6 months old