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rrijkers
May 15, 2008, 04:46 AM
Are we really waiting for this?

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
:rolleyes:



SrWebDeveloper
May 15, 2008, 07:53 AM
I've posted this before, by it's worth re-posting -- Adobe claims 90% of the browsers out there support Flash. However, only 40-55% of those support the latest version.

So as your hint of sarcasm (that's how I took it) noted, even with all the new features that make Flash a wondrous rich web experience, it'll be awhile before both the development community and the user community are synchronized to benefit from the new technology.

Add on even more time since V10 is not in stable release as of this writing.

And of course we've all mentioned here numerous times that a web site should not rely on a single technology, due to concerns such as accessibility, scalability and portability if the target audience is wide. So Flash makes a nice compliment to a web site when used properly, but let's hope people don't see V10 as the Golden Gateway to changing the web into Flashland. I look at it as another tool in the vast developer's toolbox, but I hang this tool on a nice hook, cleaned up from dust, polished, and front and center and easy to grab.

My .02, thanks for posting the link, the new 3D stuff looks amazing. I'm sure others will virtually impale me for my comments, especially the Flash lovers, I'm just being pragmatic.

-jim

GSMiller
May 15, 2008, 11:57 AM
...with all the new features that make Flash a wondrous rich web experience...

More like a pain in the...:)

SrWebDeveloper
May 15, 2008, 12:31 PM
Glass half empty kind of guy, eh? :D

For the developer, oh yeah, I agree!!! I meant that for the end user, actually, assuming the developer knows what their doing!! Oh, nevermind, it doesn't matter... heh.

;)

-jim

snickelfritz
May 16, 2008, 11:11 AM
And of course we've all mentioned here numerous times that a web site should not rely on a single technology
I question the basic wisdom of that assertion.
(naturally, I assume it excludes websites that rely on pure HTML.)
I understand the thinking behind it, but IMO, it's little more than an old-school traditionalist axiom, similar to targeting 640x480 displays, 56k modems and "websafe" color.

Advancements and changes to internet paradigms do not come from Apple, or Adobe, or Microsoft; they come from the web developer community choosing to raise or change the standards in their projects.
ie: if every web developer decided tomorrow that true HD resolution and Flash 9 would be required to optimally view their websites, the audience would simply adopt those standards, in much the same way that DVD replaced VHS, and CDROM replaced the LP.
HTML is dino-tech.

BTW, IMO, Adobe's first priority should be built-in "push-button" Flash express update, and an easy to use SEO function within the Flash IDE.
Advancing the feature-set of Flash player is a waste of time until this happens.

SrWebDeveloper
May 16, 2008, 12:19 PM
Not relying on a SINGLE technology does not infer one should deny adopting new technology. If a new technology comes along, even if unproven simply due to a short run in the market place, one should still consider implementation if it gets the job done and is stable in a production environment. Consider, test, implement. HTML also is the core technology, but good developers delve into XHTML, DHMTL and so on to marry their needs to a particular means. The problem is when developers create a site where the user is dependent upon ONE technology for the site to render. This means a 100% Flash site without an HTML alternative in the context of this thread.

I agree with you about developers pushing the boundries of standards - i.e. in a free market the best technology wins. But ultimately we all must be bound by certain core standards, so the fact you've dismissed the W3C entirely makes my eyebrow raise.

On all the other points you raise, I agree completely.

-jim