Apple's Next MacBook Due in Q3 2008?

[MacRumors]

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Marketwatch relays (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/au-optronics-chi-mei-optoelectronics/story.aspx?guid=%7B4AE338CE-99D7-4563-91C5-5B02CDFF81A9%7D&dist=msr_1) a Commercial Times report that suggests we will see the next MacBook revisions in Q3 2008 (July-September).

According to the newspaper, AU Optronics Corp.and Chi Mei Optoelectronics Corp. received orders for flat-panel displays to be used in the next MacBook. Taiwan's top two flat-panel makers by revenue, have obtained flat-panel orders for Apple Inc.'s new MacBook, the Commercial Times reported Friday, citing industry sources.
The shipment target for this new MacBook is said to be in the 3rd quarter of 2008 for up to 3 million units.

The MacBook was last updated ahead of expectations (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/26/apple-releases-new-penryn-based-macbooks/) in late February. Those updates were relatively modest, primarily replacing the MacBook processor with the new Penryn chips. A 3rd Quarter release would put the next MacBook revisions behind (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/27/next-macbook-and-macbook-pro-updates-in-june/) the introduction of the Montevina platform which is due in June. Other reports (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/04/07/apple-notebooks-to-see-major-design-changes/) have claimed that the next MacBook would see "major design changes" with a transition from plastic to aluminum and stainless steel.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/15/apples-next-macbook-due-in-q3-2008/)

[lowbb]

I wonder how macbook would look like in aluminium...;)

[Eidorian]

Well I can hold on to my Merom Santa Rosa MacBook for a little longer.

[gmoney550]

Crossing fingers for aluminum multitouch macbook w/ montevina chip set :D

[Sirobin]

A metal Macbook would be sick.

[gmoney550]

I wonder if it will have a video card in it instead of integrated graphics...

[InkMaster]

wait wait wait,,, WHAT??? Where did the stainless steel rumours come from??? Can anyone say fingerprint magnet? O_о

[nintapple]

this is really making buying a laptop for college hard

[trip1ex]

The Macbook could really use the LED screen that's in the MBA.

[tiamat1990]

I really do wonder if they will indeed update the design of it. Because it's going to be really hard to sell the Pro...I guess they could do that in a black aluminum?

[MacFly123]

Well since I need the MacBook Pro for my video stuff, when I have kids they will be getting these MacBooks :D

[len5]

Let's hope Apple installs higher quality screens on these next Macbooks. The LED display from the MBA would be a welcomed addition.

len5

[deputylove8]

:eek::D:):rolleyes:Multi-touch pad please!!!!! hheheheheehehe
:eek::(

[deputylove8]

Macbook Nano??? hehe.Now that's one sexy mama!

[CWallace]

I'm in the market for a MacBook Pro and I need it before the last week of July (to take to the San Diego Comic Con) so I hope the MBP refresh, if it is actually going to happen, happens in the next eight weeks.


Let's hope Apple installs higher quality screens on these next Macbooks. The LED display from the MBA would be a welcomed addition.

I would not be surprised to see them get the 13.3" LED LCD panel used in the MacBook Air (or something similar).

[Stately]

Yeah ok. I'm waiting on a completely refurbished Macbook pro as light as a macbook air. I'm so not thinking about a Macbook. :cool:

[Doctor Q]

I've always wondered why Apple doesn't target releases for the back-to-school and December holiday seasons. Releases in January certainly don't fit either of those. My guess is that Apple releases products when they are ready (or the next Tuesday after they are ready) and don't fret which month it is.

If this rumor is true, they might hit the school season this time.

[SandynJosh]

this is really making buying a laptop for college hard

Well, I can see that would make buying a laptop for use in all levels of education difficult.

The thing I don't quite get is how did the screen maker "know" that it was for the MacBook? The screens could be for any kind of new Apple product and they just "assumed" MacBook because of the form factor.

Personally, the multitouch Air, iPhone and the iTouch may be heralding a new paradigm shift in the personal communication/computer market by Apple. If a company can create a new market within an existing one, they can quickly "own" the mind-share of the consumer of that whole old market.

[CWallace]

The thing I don't quite get is how did the screen maker "know" that it was for the MacBook? The screens could be for any kind of new Apple product and they just "assumed" MacBook because of the form factor.

Well if they are 13.3", the most logical model is the MacBook since the MacBook Air already has a 13.3" LED LCD panel and the Pro's come with 15.4" and 17".

The only other option would be a 13.3" MacBook Pro to replace the old 12"...

[brianworkman]

The other "major" upgrade needs to be the long awaited blu-ray drive, or I think I will wait for the next upgrade.

[CWallace]

The other "major" upgrade needs to be the long awaited blu-ray drive, or I think I will wait for the next upgrade.

Those are still very expensive in the form factor (12.5mm slot-load) required. Readers push $300-400 and burners can approach $1000.

The Mac Pro remains the most likely first unit (cheaper form factor and the machines are aimed at video production), followed by the MacBook Pros.

[lazydesi]

interestingly some results are out using centrino2 on X4500 chipset

Centrino 2 features faster processors up to 3.06GHz with a higher FSB (now 1066MHz from 800MHz in the current Santa Rosa platform). It also features newer integrated graphics, the GMA X4500.

In performance tests, the X4500 nearly doubled the performance of the X3100 in the current Santa Rosa platform. Processor performance benchmarks were less impressive, providing only small improvements in performance.

http://www.notebookjournal.de/praxis/79/1

http://www.notebookjournal.de/storage/show/image/image482aa5a547d8c - seems X4500 on MB will boost the performance up to 100% compared to current models

[TheCreator]

I wonder if it will have a video card in it instead of integrated graphics...

No it won't... they want those people to buy the MBP.

[morrisman1]

picture here (http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116027&d=1210910648)

not a laptop i would ever want!! think about that thing when its shut, the screen would be exposed because the keyboard isnt long enough.

[Stately]

No it won't... they want those people to buy the MBP.

Yup Macbook Pro baby. :cool:

[BklynKid]

Sounds very like reasonable rumor.

[motulist]

I bet there still won't be an option for a matte screen so that more people will be squeezed up into buying a MB Pro. Many people prefer a glossy screen, many people like both, but many other people strongly prefer matte. Oh well, since glossy screens are less expensive than matte screens I bet the lower end Macs will be glossy-only from now on.

[kjs862]

picture here (http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116027&d=1210910648)



Wow thats a nice computer! Bring it in black aluminum and you got yourself a deal.

[g00k]

well does this affect the mbp update date?

[wr90]

this is really making buying a laptop for college hard
I agree. I'm thinking I might as well wait for the next update as long as I get it before August. *crosses fingers*

[Stately]

I bet there still won't be an option for a matte screen so that more people will be squeezed up into buying a MB Pro. Many people prefer a glossy screen, many people like both, but many other people strongly prefer matte. Oh well, since glossy screens are less expensive than matte screens I bet the lower end Macs will be glossy-only from now on.

I would hope not. Even though I only deal with pro Macs, I have to say I can't stand a glossy screen. In my opinion it takes away from the visuals a great deal. I would hope that machine status wouldn't determine screen quality. A choice should be allowed regardless. :cool:

[Stately]

well does this affect the mbp update date?


I hope not. I need a pro refresh, along with my new umpc and I phone. :cool:

[c0mmander venus]

wtf morrisman, take it easy. that laptop mock-up is awesome. of course it's not practical, it's a fantasy. things off the assembly line will never look quite as beautiful as we dream they'll be. they're never practical enough.

well done deputylove8, good photochop. i like how you used imac elements to make it up. the alu/black look is amazing, i hope to see it incorporated into the macbooks.

[Ryuukumori]

OMG OMG OMG. I'm so excited. I've been saving for 2 whole summers (part time work) to get my hands on one of these rumored babies! :D

[motulist]

I can't stand a glossy screen. In my opinion it takes away from the visuals a great deal. I would hope that machine status wouldn't determine screen quality. A choice should be allowed regardless. :cool:

Hey, I feel totally the same way, but I'm a realist. Apple is a company just like any other, so they're gonna try to produce their low end machines with as few options and the least expensive standard parts that they can get away with. That means the less expensive glossy screens are probably gonna be the only choice on Apple's low end machines from now on.

Not giving an option will probably turn many customers away from buying a new Mac, but I guess Apple's bean counters determined that they'd make up the lost sales by pushing a small percentage of buyers up to the MB Pro with its significantly higher margins.

[SirOmega]

Thats disappointing, I want to hurry up and replace my Core Duo 1.83GHz MB I've had for two years now. I dont want to wait until September, though it wouldn't really surprise me.

I'm still expecting aluminum case, LED LCD, multitouch, slightly thinner and lighter. The reduced power draw of the CPUs - 25W instead of 35W - will reduce battery usage, and tests show people getting 4+ hours already, so Apple can stop increasing battery life and start making the battery slightly smaller. Though if they didn't I wouldnt be upset (I'll take 5-6 hours of battery life).

Plus, the new chipset is also supposed to include integrated video decoders for MPEG2, VC-1 and H.264 so I can watch H.264 movies and not kill my battery either.

[Stately]

Hey, I feel totally the same way, but I'm a realist. Apple is a company just like any other, so they're gonna try to produce their low end machines with as few options and the least expensive standard parts that they can get away with. That means the less expensive glossy screens are probably gonna be the only choice on Apple's low end machines from now on.

Not giving an option will probably turn many customers away from buying a new Mac, but I guess Apple's bean counters determined that they'd make up the lost sales by pushing a small percentage of buyers up to the MB Pro with its significantly higher margins.

Well hey. . glad I'm a pro man. :cool:

[villanova329]

With the distinguishing line between the MacBooks and MacBook Pros quickly fading away, my suggestion is that they just get rid of the MacBook Pro line and just call all of them just MacBooks. It'll be a much more simplified line-up:

13" MacBook (Multicolored): Superdrive, Integrated Graphics Chipset

15" MacBook (Silver & Black): Superdrive, SSD optional, Dedicated Graphics 512MB

17" MacBook (Silver & Black): Bluray Superdrive, Dedicated Pro Graphics Card

[kjs862]

I wonder if Apple would ever incorporate the glossy screen into their cinema display, lets hope not. :eek:

[g00k]

i waited so long for a new rumor and this is a bad one.. even though i am going to buy the mbp... but i would have considered the mb but now no need -__-
and i guess mbp update shouldnt change cause it already has a led screen...

[iknowyourider]

I wish it was ready to ship tomorrow. I sold my 2.16 C2D MB a couple days ago. A matte screen sure would be nice. I've considered the talk about the MB being the low end, therefore not having some of the popular options. I'm reminded of the Nissan Altima starting out low end. It gained popularity and soon became an economical alternative to the larger pricier Maxima.

[stephenli]

A metal Macbook would be sick.

yes.
just like iPod classic turns silver:(
if I still want a white MB should I buy it now?

[koobcamuk]

If it's just stainless steel, it might be a bit heavy...

wait wait wait,,, WHAT??? Where did the stainless steel rumours come from??? Can anyone say fingerprint magnet? O_о

My 12" PB isn't a fingerprint magnet. What are you on about? The white and black plastic is much worse for that.

[whynot83706]

this is really making buying a laptop for college hard

You are not the only one...since my girl is going back to university it was perfect excuse for me to buy her new laptop...and nowi am not sure if MacBook will out before she starts...their timing is way off...Educational buying season is already in high gear and they may loose potential sales if that MacBook is late because people are going to wait or go for better spec PC.....:(

[twoodcc]

i would love to see a big update at WWDC, but i doubt we will. maybe there will be another event in this timeframe though, to release the very new and updated macbooks

[MarkMS]

The only other option would be a 13.3" MacBook Pro to replace the old 12"...

A 13.3" MBP?! I would kill for one of those!! Oh my, how I miss my old 12" PB. :(

Oh well, at least I can still dream about a 12" MBP (http://mbp12.com/). Are you reading this Apple? People are willing to do anything for a small Pro-line laptop.

[whynot83706]

I've always wondered why Apple doesn't target releases for the back-to-school and December holiday seasons. Releases in January certainly don't fit either of those. My guess is that Apple releases products when they are ready (or the next Tuesday after they are ready) and don't fret which month it is.

If this rumor is true, they might hit the school season this time.

Mac is more commercial based, where companies like Dell, HP, Lenovo or MPC receive vast majority of sales during the Gov or SLE buying seasons so their new products timing is set to August/September (end of Gov buying season) and May/June (SLE buying season). There are lots of factors which will influence reals schedule....

[ckurowic]

You know what? I'm sick of people drooling over the next rendition of the basic same computers we have been buying since 1987.

[koobcamuk]

You know what? I'm sick of people drooling over the next rendition of the basic same computers we have been buying since 1987.

:rolleyes:

me too... but we keep coming back to mac rumors, so I guess it's to be expected :P

[tdhurst]

The other "major" upgrade needs to be the long awaited blu-ray drive, or I think I will wait for the next upgrade.

Yep, I'm sure the 80 or so of you will be stoked.

I don't get what the fascination with blu-ray drives is. Sure, you can watch movies, but what else comes on blu-ray? PS3 games aren't going to work.

[inkswamp]

Hey, I feel totally the same way, but I'm a realist. Apple is a company just like any other, so they're gonna try to produce their low end machines with as few options and the least expensive standard parts that they can get away with. That means the less expensive glossy screens are probably gonna be the only choice on Apple's low end machines from now on.

The problem with this line of reasoning is that Apple's prices don't put them anywhere near "low end" as far as the computer market goes. I understand that we're paying a little more for OS X and Apple's attention to detail and their design savvy, but even Apple's so-called low-end machines carry mid- to high-range price tags compared to the rest of the PC world. My question is how much longer will Apple continue to charge those prices when they don't beat the options available to buyers of PCs.

I have bought Apple products for years and years, but if Apple cuts back the options for its buyers, they need to bring their prices down. One or the other, but it's completely unreasonable of Apple to cut options and quality and continue charging the higher prices.

[Bobjob186]

remember the old days when the notebooks would get a 267 mhz upgrade and maybe a longer battery life and we would be super thrilled. Now it's like every six months we have a whole new toy to buy. I love it.

[fewture]

nearly double the performance of the x3100 is still crap


interestingly some results are out using centrino2 on X4500 chipset

Centrino 2 features faster processors up to 3.06GHz with a higher FSB (now 1066MHz from 800MHz in the current Santa Rosa platform). It also features newer integrated graphics, the GMA X4500.

In performance tests, the X4500 nearly doubled the performance of the X3100 in the current Santa Rosa platform. Processor performance benchmarks were less impressive, providing only small improvements in performance.

http://www.notebookjournal.de/praxis/79/1

http://www.notebookjournal.de/storage/show/image/image482aa5a547d8c - seems X4500 on MB will boost the performance up to 100% compared to current models

[Darkroom]

i know it might make good business sense to pay a lot of attention to their fastest selling computer and update it more often, but i wish Apple would fix the budget-PC type screens on the iMacs instead of updating the macbook every 5 minutes...

[DaveTheGrey]

Refering to the buyer's guide, the latest release dates were:

05/06
11/06
05/07
11/07
02/08

Is it possible that Apple will clean it's stock with the back to school program and then release the new MacBook afterwards?

[nick9191]

i know it might make good business sense to pay a lot of attention to their fastest selling computer and update it more often, but i wish Apple would fix the budget-PC type screens on the iMacs instead of updating the macbook every 5 minutes...
The MacBook is Apple's best selling computer by far, thats why its updated so much.

[deputylove8]

wtf morrisman, take it easy. that laptop mock-up is awesome. of course it's not practical, it's a fantasy. things off the assembly line will never look quite as beautiful as we dream they'll be. they're never practical enough.

well done deputylove8, good photochop. i like how you used imac elements to make it up. the alu/black look is amazing, i hope to see it incorporated into the macbooks.

Thanks a lot Commander Venus for the vote of confidence!:D
I have to admit, mock ups are just ...lets put it...our fantasies..haha..

I cant wait though for the release of the new macbook! hehehe. I've been waiting and saving since late last year!

:D:D:D

[hiimamac]

nearly double the performance of the x3100 is still crap

This is what I don't get.

Crap crap crap crap.

Apple wants you to buy a Macbook Pro for graphics? WHY?!?! :(

I mean, I have one (MBP) but what the heck are they afraid of?? The majority of apple users are now clueless mac users that want iPhoto and cracked chinese iPhones not PRO users so why do they insist that the small fractional PRO user might buy a cheap machine for motion (note that apple crippled first and 2nd gen macbooks from 171% OPENGL Macbook Leopard to a crappy 71% with the X300.

I mean really, the PRO user is such a small base and if they had any sense they would release a mini and MB with a good graphic card and go after some gamers while the PROS would throw the MB's in their backpacks in addition to a MBP. The gaming community is huge and they would do well.

The on board GMA stuff is garbage and it drives me nuts that Apple is so paranoid that a few pros might buy them and not the PRO, again, apple, are you listening? The stock and market goes up because of your iphones, ipods and imacs.

I am sick of Apple screwing with the pros.

iMacs=Glossy, no MATTE thus no color
MB/MINI no graphics = no games or motion
iMACS crappy firewire (not texas instruments like MBP and MAC PRO) = bad audio recording.

Time for apple to grow up and release what the market demands, then release a 4 core MAC BOOK PRO and that way the pro's will have a rendering system with desktop performance. Heck, add a 10,000 RPM hard drive. Make the MBP a PRO DESKTOP replacement and the mini and MB a gaming and temporary texas instrument audio, video, gaming machine.

For once, build the best computers and let the cards fall as they may.

[inkswamp]

The MacBook is Apple's best selling computer by far, thats why its updated so much.

Which is the cart and which is the horse? Maybe it sells so well because Apple updates it so frequently.

I maintain that desktop sales are lagging partly because of Apple's lethargic update schedule on the Mini and the iMac.

[Mord]

I just hope the damn thing is going to be able to stand up to physical abuse

[i.maverick]

I've always wondered why Apple doesn't target releases for the back-to-school and December holiday seasons. Releases in January certainly don't fit either of those. My guess is that Apple releases products when they are ready (or the next Tuesday after they are ready) and don't fret which month it is.

If this rumor is true, they might hit the school season this time.

they do it with the ipods, don't they?

[i.maverick]

yes.
just like iPod classic turns silver:(
if I still want a white MB should I buy it now?

ya.. even i prefer white. Apple should offer white atleast for the macbooks. i do not see it happening though, in any future physical update. they're moving away from the white.
i don't think anything is available in white except for the macbooks anymore.
maybe the airport express.. and the chargers.
:rolleyes::(

[i.maverick]

The MacBook is Apple's best selling computer by far, thats why its updated so much.

that's what he said...!!
:o

[SFRtje]

Any rumors for the Macbook Pro? :)

[Mindcrime]

My wife works for AU Optronics and handles customer service for one of their major European clients (bigger than Apple).

I hope to God Apple doesn't use too many displays from AUO. They have got some of the ********* production facilities in all of China. One product for the aforementioned Client was supposed to have an acceptable defect rate of 0.01%. Once the display went into production, however, they discovered that the defect rate was actually somewhere around 15%.

To make matters worse, AUO is a subsidiary of BenQ, and that company has got some of the worst customer support on earth. If a bunch of Macbook Pros get bad displays, and we customers return them to Apple, Apple will then have to go to AUO to get them replaced or fixed and AUO, being the offspring of BenQ, will resist with all they have got. It'll get expensive for Apple, which in turn will probably mean we end users get the shaft.

Or not. I'm obviously biased :D

[PCMacUser]

Time for apple to grow up and release what the market demands, then release a 4 core MAC BOOK PRO and that way the pro's will have a rendering system with desktop performance. Heck, add a 10,000 RPM hard drive. Make the MBP a PRO DESKTOP replacement and the mini and MB a gaming and temporary texas instrument audio, video, gaming machine.

Hmm. I really think that these kinds of features are best left in the desktops for now. Give it a little bit more time.

Reason A: The price would be horrendous.
Reason B: The machine would cook - they are already hot enough.
Reason C: It would possibly be heavier and thicker.
Reason D: Is this really why people buy laptops?

[ReanimationLP]

I think they should pack in integrated in the low end model, and in the midrange model offer an nVidia GeForce 8400GT dedicated card with 256MB of RAM.

And for the lowend make that a BTO option.

That way people who want the smaller formfactor arent completely stuck with integrated craptastic graphics for when they would like to game.

The 8400GT seems to be a popular graphics choice in Dell, HP, and Sony laptops, as it packs quite a decent graphics punch, and runs circles around all integrated solutions.

AMD is starting to have very decent ATI integrated graphics, but thats only on AMD platforms, not Intel, as AMD doesnt really develop Intel chipsets anymore.

[EagerDragon]

No new case, just a bump and better screen.
New design for MBP in Feb / March
MB to follow later.

[g00k]

new design for mbp in feb/march?
we have may dude ... in which timezone do u live ;)?

[RedTomato]

I've always wondered why Apple doesn't target releases for the back-to-school and December holiday seasons. Releases in January certainly don't fit either of those. My guess is that Apple releases products when they are ready (or the next Tuesday after they are ready) and don't fret which month it is.

My personal suspicion is that Apple release new computers at times of low demand, to make it easier to get the stock out, sort out early bugs, apply revisions, etc etc. There's a gigantic amount of work associated with a new release, and it's difficult to do it at the same time as a period of high sales.

If a new macbook was released just in time for a major buying season, and it turned out to have a major problem, Apple would be severely affected. Release at a low buying season, and not too many machines have to be recalled or fixed.

Also psychologically, release just *after* a major buying season means that buyers of the old machine will be already thinking of their next purchase / upgrade.

Steve is a master of psychology and of creating a sense of 'I want' in the buying public.

[mtrctyjoe]

Please just give it a 15 inch screen and SOME SORT OF VIDEO CARD...

We should not have to pay $1800 for a decent screen and graphics processing.

[MacBookProJoe]

Please just give it a 15 inch screen and SOME SORT OF VIDEO CARD...

We should not have to pay $1800 for a decent screen and graphics processing.

Im afraid that yes you should. We're talking Apple here. They dont want or need to be just another low buck computer manufacturer. Im pretty sure they arent interested in that.

[28monkeys]

OMG OMG OMG. I'm so excited. I've been saving for 2 whole summers (part time work) to get my hands on one of these rumored babies! :D

your comment is so cute ! hahaha

[28monkeys]

Please just give it a 15 inch screen and SOME SORT OF VIDEO CARD...

We should not have to pay $1800 for a decent screen and graphics processing.

get a dell dude..

[Martin C]

According to this (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/04/17/apple_orders_aluminum_13_inch_macbook_shells_3g_iphone_chips.html) report from April, Apple put in an order for 13'' aluminum enclosures. Why would they order them so early if they intended to release in Q3?

[Mackan]

According to this (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/04/17/apple_orders_aluminum_13_inch_macbook_shells_3g_iphone_chips.html) report from April, Apple put in an order for 13'' aluminum enclosures. Why would they order them so early if they intended to release in Q3?

The MacBook may very well get updated in June with Montevina, and even a redesign, but remember that Apple tries to differentiate their products as much as possible to maximize profit... So, in June both the MB and MBP may get updated, but the MB will still keep the older CCFL screen... Some people will then buy the MBP just because it has the LED screen.

Later, Apple updates the screen to LED in Q3...

Sounds very Apple to me.....

Or, Apple waits with Montevina and updates both MB and MBP in Q3. Less likely.

[Laco]

all these rumors about the aluminum case coming soon: I will only believe it when it happens because

1. these rumors have been around since at least september of last year when it was said that this update will happen soon
http://news.worldofapple.com/archive...inium-macbook/

2. the so called visual proof ended up being proved to being photoshoped pictures

3. apple will most certainly want to distinguish its laptops visually so i don't see both macbooks and macbook pros having the same cases.

[pkr]

If ... IF it is indeed a Q3 release, I'm guessing it will have to be early Q3 - like July - to snag the college students. Apple will not miss that opportunity.

[DaBrain]

The Macbook could really use the LED screen that's in the MBA.

Yeah I would really be surprised if the new macbook does not have and LED display. :eek:

[DaBrain]

wtf morrisman, take it easy. that laptop mock-up is awesome. of course it's not practical, it's a fantasy. things off the assembly line will never look quite as beautiful as we dream they'll be. they're never practical enough.

well done deputylove8, good photochop. i like how you used imac elements to make it up. the alu/black look is amazing, i hope to see it incorporated into the macbooks.

What would be awesome is if Apple would have contests for photo shoppers to submitt their dream designs to them. Some of the designs I've seen here are simply amazing! :):apple::)

[Eraserhead]

Mac is more commercial based, where companies like Dell, HP, Lenovo or MPC receive vast majority of sales during the Gov or SLE buying seasons so their new products timing is set to August/September (end of Gov buying season) and May/June (SLE buying season). There are lots of factors which will influence reals schedule....

Actually Apple sells far less computers to companies (EDIT: as a percentage compared to Dell and HP for example), they sell most of their machines to consumers and education who are both seasonal.

If ... IF it is indeed a Q3 release, I'm guessing it will have to be early Q3 - like July - to snag the college students. Apple will not miss that opportunity.

It will be July as that is when Montevina will be shippable.

nearly double the performance of the x3100 is still crap

It is perfectly good enough if you aren't playing high end games or doing Pro work on it.

Apple wants you to buy a Macbook Pro for graphics? WHY?!?! :(

So they make a higher profit (which as a company is their main aim) and don't have a confusing line-up so that their customers who generally don't understand technical specifications don't get confused/intimidated.

[WannaGoMac]

I have a Macbook to use and an old IBM Thinkpad x41.

The macbook screen is just LOUSY even compared to the ancient Thinkpad one that only does 1024x768. I am not even a "graphics" person, and my very untrained eye finds the Macbook screen terrible -- as much as I try to like it.

I love OS X and hate Mac hardware. It's either too expensive for my needs at the high end (macbook pro and Mac pro while nice are just overkill for me), or overpriced for the quality on the lower end stuff.

Here's hoping the Macbook redo puts in a better quality screen...

[iMat77]

First the iPhone is going to be released in Switzerland. I already own an iPhone, but the "version 2", provided it meets some of the speculation around it, will absolutely make it to my pocket...

Second this whole new rumors surrounding Notebooks...

I am a MacBook C2D 2 Ghz owner (MB 2,1) and start feeling the limits of 13.3". Fact is I started working in an architect office and using software on a 13.3" screen... I need more real estate.

Updating a MB is easy for Apple, the basic specs remain the same. Change materials, keep keyboard, change screen and some of the innards and the job is done. I mean, a new MB will not change dramatically (size, weight and keyboard-wise) compared to the actual. New casing and a nice speed bump...

What I am looking for, and awaiting anxiously, is the new MacBook Pro. Specifically: new keyboard, new closing mechanism (magnetic), improved perfromance and a design which is in line with the rest of the current generation Macs (including the possible new MB).

I hope Apple will release the MBP and the MB simultaneously, or close one another, because the computer which needs the most improvement is the MBP (unless of course they give me a 17" MacBook, in which case I wouldn't need a MBP).

I still dream that Jobs will go on stage at WWDC and announce the new iPhone along with the new MacBook Pro (a landmark event in more ways than one)...

But on the other hand leaving me more time to get my finances on track for those two purchases might be a good idea as well.

In september I will fly to NYC and will most certainly pay a visit to an Apple Store there. I hope that, by then, Apple will have released a new, more powerful and "newly designed" 17" notebook on which I can get my work done.

[robbents99]

Makes sense for Q3 since last August Jobs did a Keynote.

I've been patiently waiting and squirelling away funds for an upgrade to the MBP to buy before college starts in October! :)

[Shasterball]

I think I'll stick with the MacBook Pros. :)

[kornyboy]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A102 Safari/419.3)

I wonder if it will have a video card in it instead of integrated graphics...

I doubt it. Apple will probably stick with the integrated video card on the MacBook but they could surprise us.

[OasisNYK]

I am always surprised by the speculation that apple would update the MB and MBP at the same time. When has apple ever done something so radical? To me it seems like they usually update 1 product line at a time and it is usually only an incremental update - not the major design changes that frequent these message boards.

Now I agree the MB and MBP are long overdue for some change, but I just don't see apple doing it all at once.

[valdore]

I am always surprised by the speculation that apple would update the MB and MBP at the same time. When has apple ever done something so radical? To me it seems like they usually update 1 product line at a time and it is usually only an incremental update - not the major design changes that frequent these message boards.

Now I agree the MB and MBP are long overdue for some change, but I just don't see apple doing it all at once.

Penryn MacBooks and MacBook Pros came on the same day.

[randomlinh]

Would definitely like to see a June announcement, July release. Any later seems like it'd be too late for the school season (College starts mid August essentially). I'm just not sure I want a first gen product of a new design. I'd actually rather want a refresh now since I'll be buying one for my sister this summer :)

[mogzieee]

please please please say it's earlier

i'm planning my macbook arriving in mid july... 12th / 13th something like that.

[Holmes89]

Yeah I would really be surprised if the new macbook does not have and LED display. :eek:

I agree, I mean I hate to bring this article (http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/) up again, it almost is like I'm beating a dead horse but Apple wants to get rid of LCD and move to LED because it's better for the environment.

[Thomas2006]

The other "major" upgrade needs to be the long awaited blu-ray drive, or I think I will wait for the next upgrade.
I do not expect the MacBook to get a Blu-ray drive until it uses the Calpella platform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montevina#Calpella_platform_.282009.29) because one of the features listed is:

an Intel Mobile chipset with Intel's graphics technology that will allow for optimized decoding/encoding and editing/playback of H.264/MPEG-4 AVC video used in Blu-ray Discs and HD 1080p video, optimized for MPEG-2 (DVD) video playback and editing.

[krye]

Why is it always the LCD that givers it away? How come it's never "Apple orders 3 million laptop batteries", or "Apple orders 3 million logic boards"?

Anyway, looks like I'll be holding off on a MBP purchase until I see what the "new" Macbook has to offer.

[g00k]

please an update in mid june....
i am in hong kong till the beginning of july...
and here i can get my mbp 30% cheaper than in germany O_o
steve please... dont only focus on the iphone

[invalidname]

I hope this isn't true. After owning a PowerBook G4 12", a laptop whose wifi range could be measured in inches, I vowed to never buy another metal-encased Mac laptop. The PB couldn't see my house's wifi network in the basement; the new plastic-encased MacBook can see networks halfway across the neighborhood.

[fastbite]

I have been using a PowerBook G4 17" for more than 4 years (dying to upgrade but I always need the £ for something else) I have travelled with the thing all over the place, drop it twice, once from more than a meter high against a marble floor. An the things looks like new -- well it does have a dent but that's about it. I am amazed at how bloody rugged the aluminum enclosure is.
I hope all the line gets it -- and I also hope they update the form factor as I'm getting ready to get a new one.

[morespce54]

I cross my fingers for a June release...
Unless it's a new form factor (mmmm... alu...:rolleyes:)

[NightFlight]

I am praying that they offer a 15" version of the MB. I do not need the power of a MBP and I need the extra real estate that a 15" offers.

[Kidd38s]

A 13.3" MBP?! I would kill for one of those!! Oh my, how I miss my old 12" PB. :(

Oh well, at least I can still dream about a 12" MBP (http://mbp12.com/). Are you reading this Apple? People are willing to do anything for a small Pro-line laptop.


Not a day nor business trip goes by that I don't regret selling mine. The air hasn't clicked with me (beautiful but ever so slightly gimmicky), and I seem to find myself gravitating towards ebay at least once a week to browse the current 12" G4 stock.

[happydude]

the white and black plastic of the macbook makes it stand out in the crowd and is a clear identifier, no aluminum, please!! plus, the aluminum cuts down the reception of wireless networks, so there's a functional reason to just not do it.

but of course it will come out mid-late summer, just in time for those back to school computer shopping sprees

[Obi-Wan Kubrick]

I wonder if it will have a video card in it instead of integrated graphics...

I hope it has its own video card.

[Obi-Wan Kubrick]

Anyone think they will introduce a 19" or 20" MBP?

[berkleeboy210]

the white and black plastic of the macbook makes it stand out in the crowd and is a clear identifier, no aluminum, please!! plus, the aluminum cuts down the reception of wireless networks, so there's a functional reason to just not do it.

but of course it will come out mid-late summer, just in time for those back to school computer shopping sprees

I can back that WiFi Reception statement up. While waiting in line at Boston's New Store Yesterday, I have a Macbook, 2 people next to me had a MBP and a MacBook Air. Neither of them could connect to the Store's Wifi, and I could get a full 4 bars on the next block :)

[berkleeboy210]

Anyone think they will introduce a 19" or 20" MBP?

I think they'd release a 16" and 18" those seem to be starting to pop up now.

[mtrctyjoe]

I think they should pack in integrated in the low end model, and in the midrange model offer an nVidia GeForce 8400GT dedicated card with 256MB of RAM.

And for the lowend make that a BTO option.

That way people who want the smaller formfactor arent completely stuck with integrated craptastic graphics for when they would like to game.

The 8400GT seems to be a popular graphics choice in Dell, HP, and Sony laptops, as it packs quite a decent graphics punch, and runs circles around all integrated solutions.

AMD is starting to have very decent ATI integrated graphics, but thats only on AMD platforms, not Intel, as AMD doesnt really develop Intel chipsets anymore.

DITTO... no more integrated graphics... I am an Apple Fan Boy as much as the next guy.. but I am also a gamer... I should be able to buy an Apple Lap Top with a decent video card that does not cost $2000....

Please hold back your elitist "dude go buy a dell" comments!

[Eraserhead]

A 13.3" MBP?! I would kill for one of those!! Oh my, how I miss my old 12" PB. :(

Oh well, at least I can still dream about a 12" MBP (http://mbp12.com/). Are you reading this Apple? People are willing to do anything for a small Pro-line laptop.

The MacBook Air has been released ;).

but I am also a gamer...

If you want to play games on any laptop you have to be rich to be able to afford replacing the whole thing to get a new graphics card. Otherwise build your own PC desktop for gaming.

[bluefido]

I wonder if it will have a video card in it instead of integrated graphics...

Doubtful. It would be great if there was a separate video card, but even if there was one, it would be the lowest of the low video cards. There is no way Apple wants to cut into higher end laptop sales.

My only reservation about going to aluminum would be the wireless reception. My old G4" Aluminum Powerbook got no where near the same reception for wireless as my plastic Macbook.

[daneoni]

Doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to know that the notebooks will undergo an update within the next 3 months or so.

Also those of you wishing for a discrete GPU...its NOT going to happen, get real people. A discrete GPU in the MacBook will cannibalize MBP sales. Think about it, if i can get a MacBook with decent GPU/LED screen/fast processor/ ample hard drive for $1299/1499 why in the world would i pony up $2499 for a MBP?

There won't be a discrete GPU. There probably wont even be an aluminium enclosure or backlit KB.

Its probably just gonna be a 2.4/2.5 GHz Processor, 1066MHz FSB, GMA X4500 & LED display update. The End.

[iSlave]

Macbook Pro? Sure it's not a 3G version? In all black? Or maybe all white? And renamed the iPhonebook Pro?

[carrjar]

If they go to Aluminum and Matte display...I'd buy one tomorrow.

[shurgie]

Not a day nor business trip goes by that I don't regret selling mine. The air hasn't clicked with me (beautiful but ever so slightly gimmicky), and I seem to find myself gravitating towards ebay at least once a week to browse the current 12" G4 stock.

Still using mine, been working for about 3-4 years, only thing I've updated is the ram (to the max now). Only thing is my charger has broke to the point where I've taped it and it started sparking, took that as I needed a new one. Got that, and I'm still going, my only complaint is I got an after market black one that doesn't have the yellow light, so it always gets pulled out a tiny bit and I don't know. Hoping for a new update before the back to school special.

[Obi-Wan Kubrick]

I wonder if Apple would ever incorporate the glossy screen into their cinema display, lets hope not. :eek:

They should give you the choice as an option along with an isight.

[rtdunham]

OMG OMG OMG. I'm so excited. I've been saving for 2 whole summers (part time work) to get my hands on one of these rumored babies! :D

you're at a great stage in life. your post reminded me of the time when i had to struggle and save to get something, and how that added to the excitement and enjoyment. I can afford "the next new thing" now, and i try to remind myself of how lucky i am. But you'll never appreciate a new computer more than the one you're waiting on now. What's the saying, "that which is not dearly earned is not dearly loved"? Or something like that. It's true. So enjoy the waiting, and then the getting.

[vancexxx]

all i'm hoping for is that they make a 15.4 inch MacBook. I mean, come on now, i'm tired of the same petite screen. Make the most expensive one a 15.4 inch!

[macwall]

I agree, 12" macbook would be great

[InkMaster]

If it's just stainless steel, it might be a bit heavy...



My 12" PB isn't a fingerprint magnet. What are you on about? The white and black plastic is much worse for that.

I think you're missing something... Powerbooks (just like MBPs) are made out of ALUMINUM, not stainless steel. I mean maybe if they use it for some internals it'd be ok, but if its for anything external and it gets as dirty as all the stainless steel kitchen equipment then BAD BAD BAD idea :/

[gkarris]

Doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to know that the notebooks will undergo an update within the next 3 months or so.

Also those of you wishing for a discrete GPU...its NOT going to happen, get real people. A discrete GPU in the MacBook will cannibalize MBP sales. Think about it, if i can get a MacBook with decent GPU/LED screen/fast processor/ ample hard drive for $1299/1499 why in the world would i pony up $2499 for a MBP?

There won't be a discrete GPU. There probably wont even be an aluminium enclosure or backlit KB.

Its probably just gonna be a 2.4/2.5 GHz Processor, 1066MHz FSB, GMA X4500 & LED display update. The End.

Yes, I think it's just a lot of us, who make the mistake of going over, to say HP, to config a Windows laptop and seeing the option: "Add 128Meg Nvidia Discreet Graphics - 1/2 Price Special! $49" (and this is a LOW END model). :eek:

[Mr Maui]

OMG OMG OMG. I'm so excited. I've been saving for 2 whole summers (part time work) to get my hands on one of these rumored babies! :D

Really?!? I've been saving my whole life for a yet-to-be-rumored baby. LOL :eek:

[Mr Maui]

Is it possible that Apple will clean it's stock with the back to school program and then release the new MacBook afterwards?

With Apple, anything is possible!

[cnote678]

They should give you the choice as an option along with an isight.

Then hook up a Mac Mini and you have an iMac! Seems like a loser to me...

But, since I started saving for a new bike (http://fisherbikes.com/bike/model/rig) a MacBook Pro has been less tempting and a nice quick MacBook is sounding friendlier to my wallet. I know dedicated GPU is an impossibility, but I should game less anyway so that's a proactive choice. So, if MacBook went LED, multitouch and aluminum I'd definitely buy one. Or, if they do a new MBP I'll just buy the old version at discount.

[timothyjay2004]

If they're going to update the macbooks soon, they'd be stupid to not do it at the beginning of June so that they'd have a jump on the education market.

[!¡ V ¡!]

Yep, I'm sure the 80 or so of you will be stoked.

I don't get what the fascination with blu-ray drives is. Sure, you can watch movies, but what else comes on blu-ray? PS3 games aren't going to work.

Agreed, BR might have won the battle against HD-DVD. However it will lose the war to HD online content, HDD and HVD. :)

Scrap BR, don't be foolish and include it :apple:, remember the DVD-RAM situation. ;)

[Anaxarxes]

Doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to know that the notebooks will undergo an update within the next 3 months or so.

Also those of you wishing for a discrete GPU...its NOT going to happen, get real people. A discrete GPU in the MacBook will cannibalize MBP sales. Think about it, if i can get a MacBook with decent GPU/LED screen/fast processor/ ample hard drive for $1299/1499 why in the world would i pony up $2499 for a MBP?

There won't be a discrete GPU. There probably wont even be an aluminium enclosure or backlit KB.

Its probably just gonna be a 2.4/2.5 GHz Processor, 1066MHz FSB, GMA X4500 & LED display update. The End.

Montevina has the same thermal envelope as Santa Rosa, if not less. Total redesign is not necessary with transition to Centrino 2 platform.

Although I agree with your specs, I believe Apple will redesign the Macbook, but they might not use Aluminum. But again their whole line contain metal and glass, so who knows until they introduce it.

I remember though, there was an Apple laptop sighting, not 9-10 months ago. (Before MBA announcement) I remember some people saw some smaller than MBP laptops, gunsmoke and silver precisely.

[lilbrwnjumpsuit]

I don't buy the argument that macbooks should remain plastic. After all, haven't you seen how dirty/yellow the white macbooks can get and the oil/grease marks on the black macbook? Aluminum would look better and be more environmentally friendly which is really more important.

[gkarris]

I don't buy the argument that macbooks should remain plastic. After all, haven't you seen how dirty/yellow the white macbooks can get and the oil/grease marks on the black macbook? Aluminum would look better and be more environmentally friendly which is really more important.

Yes, just go to an Apple store and look at all the smudges on the MacBooks and compare that to the MacBook Air and MacBook Pros which still look pristine...

[Burnsey]

A 13inch Aluminum MacBook with an LED display and multi-touch would be the perfect college laptop if not the perfect laptop. Especially if it weights 4 pounds.

[mongoos150]

A 13inch Aluminum MacBook with an LED display and multi-touch would be the perfect college laptop if not the perfect laptop. Especially if it weights 4 pounds.

The current macbook is the perfect college laptop, which is why I see at least 30 every day on campus. I have a MBP (as do many of my peers), but I'm in Media Arts and like the extra power.

[puckhead193]

bring it on apple.. my pb is dying. i put the charger in then all of a sudden it stops charging as if i pulled the plug out (but i didn't) :confused:

[morespce54]

It may sound funny but I think the features that I most wishing for is a back lit keyboard on the MB... That would be so useful to me (and there is no chance I'll buy a MBP only for that feature). :rolleyes:

[JGowan]

I really do wonder if they will indeed update the design of it. Because it's going to be really hard to sell the Pro...I guess they could do that in a black aluminum?Apple will definitely make the Pro model even nicer. Plus the LED screen, the bigger 17' screen, probably bigger HD available, the ability to use an additional monitor (does MacBooks do that?) -- in short, even if it the MB goes to the same material, Apple is going to make those that want a MBP to want even more than before... come on... you know that!

[Heil68]

Anxious to see them!

[Macsforcollege?]

Hey everyone
Im going off to college in Augest. I have never owned a Mac, but i am leaning towards getting one for college. Is it good for college? I want a macbook. Problem is, i keep hearing about this update. heres my situation. If they dont release a new update, are macbooks still great for college. Mostly used for interent, papers, research, Messenger etc. If they do release a new one. When would it come out? I cant wait until after i go to get it. And i am worried that if a new one came out, arent there usually bugs, so wouldnt that be a problem? If it came out early July, then i can wait for reviews and make sure there arent bugs.. Please help... also, is there any difference between White and Black macbooks?

Thanks

[L3X]

If they're going to update the macbooks soon, they'd be stupid to not do it at the beginning of June so that they'd have a jump on the education market.
Maybe. They also do a back to school promo with the iPods / printers which help them sell a lot.

This way they could get rid of stock.

[L3X]

Hey everyone
Im going off to college in Augest. I have never owned a Mac, but i am leaning towards getting one for college. Is it good for college? I want a macbook. Problem is, i keep hearing about this update. heres my situation. If they dont release a new update, are macbooks still great for college. Mostly used for interent, papers, research, Messenger etc. If they do release a new one. When would it come out? I cant wait until after i go to get it. And i am worried that if a new one came out, arent there usually bugs, so wouldnt that be a problem? If it came out early July, then i can wait for reviews and make sure there arent bugs.. Please help... also, is there any difference between White and Black macbooks?

Thanks
Yes a Macbook would be great for you. I would just wait as long as you can and then get whatever is out.

[Sky Blue]

Hey everyone
Im going off to college in Augest. I have never owned a Mac, but i am leaning towards getting one for college. Is it good for college? I want a macbook. Problem is, i keep hearing about this update. heres my situation. If they dont release a new update, are macbooks still great for college. Mostly used for interent, papers, research, Messenger etc. If they do release a new one. When would it come out? I cant wait until after i go to get it. And i am worried that if a new one came out, arent there usually bugs, so wouldnt that be a problem? If it came out early July, then i can wait for reviews and make sure there arent bugs.. Please help... also, is there any difference between White and Black macbooks?

Thanks

Macs are great. They'll really help improve your spelling.

[Macsforcollege?]

if a new one comes out? what much do you think the new macbook will cost?

[Eyecube]

Apple will definitely make the Pro model even nicer. Plus the LED screen, the bigger 17' screen, probably bigger HD available, the ability to use an additional monitor (does MacBooks do that?) -- in short, even if it the MB goes to the same material, Apple is going to make those that want a MBP to want even more than before... come on... you know that!

I acutually don't realy agree with that. Lately, i've been really unhappy about how Apple handles the distinction between MBs and MBPs. The distinction is getting smaller and smaller every year. Owner of the first MBP, i'm waiting for the new ones to come out to change, and the major difference is the graphic card, but $1k for a graphic card???
Especially if the MB will get LED screens and aluminium casings. If it does, i'm going banana **** :mad:
They should defiinitely add functions to the MBP that they will not put in their MB. Unfortunately, the MB is their best seller, they will therefore put the latest technologies in it, in order not to loose any sales.
MBP owners or wanna be owners, we're ****ed up :(

Still hoping for a 12" or 13,3" MBP, but honestly, what can it have more than the actual MB or MBA? Graphic card, but knowing Apple, if its a MBP, we all know what the price is going to be :p

/losing hope
Sigh

[Eyecube]

if a new one comes out? what much do you think the new macbook will cost?

If there's not graphic card, probably the same price as the current ones. As always :D

[Macsforcollege?]

really? that would be good. even if it was aluminum?? i wish apple would tell us. I really hope if a new one comes out, it will be in early July.

and if there is a graphic card.. how much do you think?

[gkarris]

Still hoping for a 12" or 13,3" MBP, but honestly, what can it have more than the actual MB or MBA? Graphic card, but knowing Apple, if its a MBP, we all know what the price is going to be :p

/losing hope
Sigh

Apple, instead, will release an Aluminum MacBook, and you'll get integrated graphics instead...

If you want a Graphics Card - they make you upgrade to the 15" MBP.

Enjoy...

[Quillz]

Yep, I'm sure the 80 or so of you will be stoked.

I don't get what the fascination with blu-ray drives is. Sure, you can watch movies, but what else comes on blu-ray? PS3 games aren't going to work.
Blu-ray discs can hold over 50 GB of data. You can put whole movie archives on one disc, several operating systems, etc.

[Eyecube]

Apple, instead, will release an Aluminum MacBook, and you'll get integrated graphics instead...

If you want a Graphics Card - they make you upgrade to the 15" MBP.

Enjoy...

Exactly, that's what i'm afraid is gonna happen. Basically $1K is the price for the graphic card. I'm not that price sensitive, it just doesn't feel fair in a way to have nothing more than a graphic card for the price. If the 13'3 MBP comes out at $2k, i'd still buy it.
The Pro in Macbook Pro just doesn't mean anything anymore.
Anyway, let's just wait and see what Apple will treat the Macbook with and forget about the Pro :o

[Macsforcollege?]

if the macbook gets an upgrade with a graphic card, how much do you think will the macbook cost?

[Doctor Q]

if the macbook gets an upgrade with a graphic card, how much do you think will the macbook cost?
My wild guess is that Apple will improve the specs but leave the price range the same.

[DCSMAC]

both of the laptop lines need a redesign badly. dont get me wrong, they still both look great (certainly better than anything else out there), but if apple is to continue to stay ahaed of the curve, they have to make evolutionary design changes and bring the newest technologies to BOTH lines.

Its about time for some of the current pro features (LED screen, multitouch, backlit keyboard) to filter down to the MB line, and newer technologies (ie. blu-ray, higher resolution 15" screens, magnetic latch, SSD option) to be introduced to the pro line.

[Bengt77]

My wild guess is that Apple will improve the specs but leave the price range the same.
Very wild indeed! ;)

[Eyecube]

Its about time for some of the current pro features (LED screen, multitouch, backlit keyboard) to filter down to the MB line, and newer technologies (ie. blu-ray, higher resolution 15" screens, magnetic latch, SSD option) to be introduced to the pro line.


Yes, higher resolution 15" like on the Lenovos. I've been dying for that :)
Doesn't the Macbook already have the magnetic latch?
I want a 8800GT, higher resolution, slimer design (but i like the actual), the new Intel procs, new keyboard but not black as the MBA and the rest i don't really care. The Hd and Ram will be changed anyway. Longer battery life but with all new additions, i don't really see that coming up. As for the drive, i havent used a CD/Dvd in such a long time that I don't really care.

[dlastmango]

I for one think the current MacBook design is great. Mine has fallen off the dinner table onto tile a few times, Hit a steel door jam as I was walking out of the office, my 2 yr old loves to walk on it while the lid is closed. I dont baby this thing a bit and it still looks and works great. There are some scratches but I feel the white helps hide them. The case has not cracked. If I had a aluminum laptop there would be dents and dings all over. The plastic handles the abuse better. I hope they keep at least one model plastic.

[k2spitfire88]

Well if they are 13.3", the most logical model is the MacBook since the MacBook Air already has a 13.3" LED LCD panel and the Pro's come with 15.4" and 17".

The only other option would be a 13.3" MacBook Pro to replace the old 12"...

I wish, at the same price point as the BlackBook!

With the distinguishing line between the MacBooks and MacBook Pros quickly fading away, my suggestion is that they just get rid of the MacBook Pro line and just call all of them just MacBooks. It'll be a much more simplified line-up:

13" MacBook (Multicolored): Superdrive, Integrated Graphics Chipset

15" MacBook (Silver & Black): Superdrive, SSD optional, Dedicated Graphics 512MB

17" MacBook (Silver & Black): Bluray Superdrive, Dedicated Pro Graphics Card

Probably not gonna happen



Steve is a master of psychology and of creating a sense of 'I want' in the buying public.

i think you mean iWant, and yes, it's true, iWant whatever new MB they come out with, top end, cause my toshiba sux!

The MacBook Air has been released ;).


Not even close to trying to replace the 12" Powerbook! The Air is no where near what is needed!

Hey everyone
Im going off to college in Augest. I have never owned a Mac, but i am leaning towards getting one for college. Is it good for college? I want a macbook. Problem is, i keep hearing about this update. heres my situation. If they dont release a new update, are macbooks still great for college. Mostly used for interent, papers, research, Messenger etc. If they do release a new one. When would it come out? I cant wait until after i go to get it. And i am worried that if a new one came out, arent there usually bugs, so wouldnt that be a problem? If it came out early July, then i can wait for reviews and make sure there arent bugs.. Please help... also, is there any difference between White and Black macbooks?

Thanks

I'm a college student too. If you don't need anything graphics intensive, the MB is perfect. So wait as long as you can, and buy the update/current model! That's what I will be doing!

Exactly, that's what i'm afraid is gonna happen. Basically $1K is the price for the graphic card. I'm not that price sensitive, it just doesn't feel fair in a way to have nothing more than a graphic card for the price. If the 13'3 MBP comes out at $2k, i'd still buy it.
The Pro in Macbook Pro just doesn't mean anything anymore.
Anyway, let's just wait and see what Apple will treat the Macbook with and forget about the Pro :o

I disagree, the pro has multitouch, LED screen, Matte Option, different keyboard, backlight keyboard, FW 800, more USB ports, better graphics card, etc. While overpriced, it smokes the MB!

[dstrauss]

Since we're dreaming/speculating/whatever, here's my guess:

MacBook is recast as a 13" version of the current Pro line, Air quality LCD, multi-touch mousepad, firewire 800 (Timemachine pep), 4 lbs +/- still using integrated graphics and option up to 320gb/5400 hd

MacBook Pro's all get the bevel edge treatment of the Air, new options are blue-ray and integrated cellular modems, a very high end model with extreme graphics, 4gb ram and 3.0 ghz processor (one of a kind).

[Eyecube]

I disagree, the pro has multitouch, LED screen, Matte Option, different keyboard, backlight keyboard, FW 800, more USB ports, better graphics card, etc. While overpriced, it smokes the MB!

Multi touch is definitely coming to all the MB, LED screen apparently is coming too with their orders, the space keyboard i reckon on better than the current mbp but with backlight it would be great on the mbp, as for usb ports the 15" doesnt have more (2) and were basically just left with the graphic cards and the FW 800 which I don't see as a 1k upgrade.
I'm just waiting for what they will offer in their next revision, hoping it will be more than the current difference.

[ImageWrangler]

Wouldn't think they'd update only the Macbook without touching the Pro. Both have had very, and I mean VERY long life cycles in their current form at his point.

[whatever]

The MacBook will not be Aluminum. Sorry, to burst everyone's bubble, it will be white or black.

Don't expect much of a change it it's design either. Apple is sticking with this design for foreseeable future.

The MacBook Pro however will be seeing a new design in the next six months. Expect it to look like a bulkier version of the MacBook Air.

Just don't hold your breath for a MacBook Pro smaller than 13", it's not going to happen. Now the same can't be said for the to MBA....

[liberty4all]

Would be nice to see Apple make internal GPS an BTO option on all laptops! Not to mention integral 3G/4G data services!

[mongoos150]

Multi touch is definitely coming to all the MB, LED screen apparently is coming too with their orders, the space keyboard i reckon on better than the current mbp but with backlight it would be great on the mbp, as for usb ports the 15" doesnt have more (2) and were basically just left with the graphic cards and the FW 800 which I don't see as a 1k upgrade.
I'm just waiting for what they will offer in their next revision, hoping it will be more than the current difference.

Exactly. $1K for a slightly bigger screen, hard drive and graphics card bump is NOT worth it. I have a Penryn MBP, I like the form factor and like the added graphics performance (being a media arts major). The MBP needs a serious price adjustment across the board, to the tune of $3-400. Never happen though.

[Eyecube]

It's not worth it, but unfortunately, i need the graphic card so :s

[carloslegarda]

[QUOTE=Eraserhead;5446777]The MacBook Air has been released ;).

The MacBook Air is NOT a replacement for the 12" PowerBook. That's why it's called MacBook Air, as in Airhead. Nothing Power users want is in it.

Apple hasn't yet released a replacement for the 12" PowerBook. A replacement would be a 12" MBP or even a 13" one, but still an MBP.

This means the power of an MBP in a smaller package.

[tdhurst]

The MacBook will not be Aluminum. Sorry, to burst everyone's bubble, it will be white or black.

Don't expect much of a change it it's design either. Apple is sticking with this design for foreseeable future.

The MacBook Pro however will be seeing a new design in the next six months. Expect it to look like a bulkier version of the MacBook Air.

Just don't hold your breath for a MacBook Pro smaller than 13", it's not going to happen. Now the same can't be said for the to MBA....

You **** yer mouth, boy! I'm postponing a long awaited Macbook purchase for the redesign and it's going to be worth it. WORTH IT I tell ya!

Please no comments about buying now if you need it now. I have a 12" powerbook that works perfectly fine, and I'm trying to extend its useful life as long as possible.

[zambia1989]

I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but another thing that implies an update is the fact that all the new apple ads feature the mac at the end, never the macbook anymore.

I think a third quarter release is more likely, as the website still lists both products as "new". Furthermore, its fairly certain that wwdc will see the update of the iPhone, and Apple will want to keep the hype on that for a little while before making its laptop updates in the autumn-which is their usual renewal date.

Also, it would be good (and also quite likely) that apple releases an aluminium macbook and also retain the blackbook (with a slight redesign)-mirroring what they did with the iPod classic; they might make the black macbook the cheaper model, and make the higher model aluminium. There won't be many new revisions in terms of features other than dropping the combodrive, adding LCD screens and adding the MBA keyboard-otherwise they would cannibalise sales for the air and pro.

[marbles]

why would Apple make a 12" macbook ? ..I mean , what's up with the 13" screen size.. nothing imho .

...and all the fuss about weight , It does my head in ...come on all these mac laptops are not that heavy as to cause a problem ...and yes I would carry mine round all day !

12" screen ...jeeezz , I'd need a magnifying glass to see the text , stop harking back to power this n power that


rant over :)

Actually , not quite ...

... aluminium ?? plastic ??... what so we can have dents all over the place and cracks here an there , no thanks .... , I'm fed up of all the poxy little 'issues' that come with most all laptops ... all the lightweights can go get an Air or whatever
cast iron all the way


...build something that lasts and is sturdy ...please !!!




now I'm done

sorry

[whatever]

You **** yer mouth, boy! I'm postponing a long awaited Macbook purchase for the redesign and it's going to be worth it. WORTH IT I tell ya!

Please no comments about buying now if you need it now. I have a 12" powerbook that works perfectly fine, and I'm trying to extend its useful life as long as possible.

Not sure what the **** implies.

But the MacBook will not be changing for sometime.

However, it was to change it would happen in August, but don't expect it.

The current design is doing well and compared to Apple's other computer products is the second youngest (the current iMac is basically the same as the old white iMac), with only the MacBook Air being newer.

The Pro lines need updating more.

[bobertoq]

I wonder how macbook would look like in aluminium...;)Very nice... Hopefully it'll look like the MacBook Air with the
rounded edges
aluminum case
Black backlit keyboard
large multi-touch trackpad
none of the bumpy things on the top of the display
LED display

and maybe even speakers to the left and right of the keyboard (like the MacBook Pro)

:D :apple:

[Stately]

The MacBook will not be Aluminum. Sorry, to burst everyone's bubble, it will be white or black.

Don't expect much of a change it it's design either. Apple is sticking with this design for foreseeable future.

The MacBook Pro however will be seeing a new design in the next six months. Expect it to look like a bulkier version of the MacBook Air.

Just don't hold your breath for a MacBook Pro smaller than 13", it's not going to happen. Now the same can't be said for the to MBA....

Revamped Macbook Pro, here we go. Now that's what I'm talking about. Sounds sweet. How r u so sure?

[Burnsey]

The MacBook will not be Aluminum. Sorry, to burst everyone's bubble, it will be white or black.

Don't expect much of a change it it's design either. Apple is sticking with this design for foreseeable future.

The MacBook Pro however will be seeing a new design in the next six months. Expect it to look like a bulkier version of the MacBook Air.

Just don't hold your breath for a MacBook Pro smaller than 13", it's not going to happen. Now the same can't be said for the to MBA....


I can see that, an aluminum macbook with a 13inch LED display, multi-touch and weighing only 4 pounds will be direct competition to the Air, and the Air wouldn't stand a chance.

[pavelbure]

The Pro lines need updating more.

all of apple's computer lineup is going alum. the macbook will be next. the pro line will be lucky to see a redesign.

[EagerDragon]

This summer is iPhone and tablet time, not laptop time.

Don't expect any significant changes to Mac lines until Feb / March. You are going to wet your pants!!!!!!

[marbles]

This summer is iPhone and tablet time, not laptop time.

Don't expect any significant changes to Mac lines until Feb / March. You are going to wet your pants!!!!!!


It seems like it's always something else time .... what about the computers eh

..this is coming ...that is coming , in reality its always a bit disappointing really:rolleyes:

[jons]

Personally, the multitouch Air, iPhone and the iTouch may be heralding a new paradigm shift in the personal communication/computer market by Apple. If a company can create a new market within an existing one, they can quickly "own" the mind-share of the consumer of that whole old market.

Wow, can it be? A comment that is firmly grounded in economic and marketing science? I had to double check which website I was at...

Well said.

- js

[alphaod]

I just want to say 3 things:

1) Why STEEL?!
2) If it looks as nice as a Macbook Air, they won't make it; why would Apple butcher their MBA line?
3) Yipeedoo, it's Q3.

[Akzel]

I'm on the disappointed tip.

I mean, I still don't know they won't put ANY "off-board" graphics card in the MB, because the $1000 difference for the MBP just to get decent graphics is ridiculous. Even a 8400 would do, anything is better than the X666 crap.

I think it's funny how we call "low end" a US$1000 laptop. Talk about overpriced...

[xhambonex]

you can complain that it's expensive, but you can't complain about apple as a company, they are just smart. They are able to sell tons of these "overpriced" computers, and on top of that people hate the $1000 difference for a graphics card update (plus other things also) but people buy the mbp just for that, or even better, just for a matte screen option. They make money the smart way, although we may think its stupid and overpriced because a pc has the same options for way less.

[johnsy]

aluminum is more expensive than plastic. The question is will price increase just because of that?

[Kevin83165]

I just hope they don't make an ugly black keyboard like the air. Belch

[Val-kyrie]

If they're going to update the macbooks soon, they'd be stupid to not do it at the beginning of June so that they'd have a jump on the education market.

Not stupidity, but rather business savvy. I bet Apple will release new MBPs around June and wait for new MBs until 15 days after the back to school special ends. This way, they will clear out all of their old inventory.

[digitalbiker]

I bet there still won't be an option for a matte screen so that more people will be squeezed up into buying a MB Pro. Many people prefer a glossy screen, many people like both, but many other people strongly prefer matte. Oh well, since glossy screens are less expensive than matte screens I bet the lower end Macs will be glossy-only from now on.

This makes no sense. A matte screen and a glossy screen are no different in cost. The only difference is the finish.

The glossy screen is covered with a clear polished screen that yields better contrast and brighter more saturated colors. It's weakness is the reflection of ambient background light.

The matter screen is covered with a gaussian blurred finished that yields weaker contrast and color but scatters background light to reduce glare and reflections.

If you use your laptop in a bright environment then matte is better. If you use your laptop in a dark environment then glossy is better.

I understand people having a personal preference but it has absolutely nothing to do with reducing costs or squeezing people into upgrading.

[hipsheik]

The wishing 'n hoping thread. I guess it'll never change.

[sappster]

I am thinking that this revised laptop could be announced towards the end of Q2 2008. The flat panels may have been ordered for Q3 in preparation for assembly and dispatch.

Here's hoping for an earlier announcement (Q2) so that my heart could be set at ease - and, I could make a decision on my purchase.

*sigh*
:apple::apple::apple:

[marbles]

The wishing 'n hoping thread. I guess it'll never change.


well that's why macrumors is here ....operative word being .... rumors :p

[Bubba Satori]

No it won't... they want those people to buy the MBP.

What about what the customers want ?

[Bubba Satori]

I'm on the disappointed tip.

I mean, I still don't know they won't put ANY "off-board" graphics card in the MB, because the $1000 difference for the MBP just to get decent graphics is ridiculous. Even a 8400 would do, anything is better than the X666 crap.

I think it's funny how we call "low end" a US$1000 laptop. Talk about overpriced...


Computers for the "rich" of us. :rolleyes:

[satcomer]

I hate to say this but you kids never studied Apple WWDC releases or their current trends. WWDC is for SOFTWARE so I don't expect hard hardware announcements besides an iPhone and maybe a Touch. Apple is really going to press the new iPhone software, store and add-ons. Plus they're really pushing the iPhone toward overseas & businesses. So expect the Keynote to go toward those crowds.

One last thing, expect 10.5.3 update to come out during WWDC.

[satcomer]

I hope this isn't true. After owning a PowerBook G4 12", a laptop whose wifi range could be measured in inches, I vowed to never buy another metal-encased Mac laptop. The PB couldn't see my house's wifi network in the basement; the new plastic-encased MacBook can see networks halfway across the neighborhood.


I really wish I got the MacBook instead of the MacBook Pro because of that. My nephews Macbook puts my MacBook Pro to shame in WiFi range.

[vodouman]

I've got myself a little problem with the Macbook. I've been saving for ages and i've got enough for a new Mac yet can't decide if I should get the Macbook Black or one of the new iMacs. If the new Macbook's are coming soon theres surely no point?

[wr90]

Looking back at how long it took Apple to switch to the Santa Rosa platform after it came out (took about a month), it looks like The next update for the macbooks will come around early July. :D Just about perfect timing for school.

[pavelbure]

this may mean nothing, since i've only been following this stuff for about a year. But it seems that apple likes to change what is on their homepage every 4-6 weeks, some products 8 weeks, leopard and iphone come to mind. just this dumb theory i have, new iphone announced in early june at wwdc, new iphone on front page for 6-8 weeks, something new announced then. this would likely be the macbooks. which would put them at a late july early august release. i also predict the new ilife suite then also.

we'll see.

[marcg007]

I hope this isn't true. After owning a PowerBook G4 12", a laptop whose wifi range could be measured in inches, I vowed to never buy another metal-encased Mac laptop. The PB couldn't see my house's wifi network in the basement; the new plastic-encased MacBook can see networks halfway across the neighborhood.

I know some people have reported this issue but, I have never had a problem finding a wireless connection. There have been occasions where I have only been able to get 3 or 4 bars, but I have never been in a situation where something is available that I can't see. I've been sitting in airports and able to see all the other machines whose owners don't know enough to lock down their connections. At my school, not only can I see the network, I can see every computer in the entire school that is connected to it. I have not been in a situation where my Windows using classmates can see something that I can't.

[CWallace]

What about what the customers want?

Mac portable sales continue to see strong quarter-on-quarter and year-on-year growth, so "the customers" seem to want what Apple is selling...

[whatever]

all of apple's computer lineup is going alum. the macbook will be next. the pro line will be lucky to see a redesign.

Sorry, but not going to happen.

[Twilight Elk]

Well; I'm headed to college in late August and I'm hoping for a MBP update. I don't care how small or large it is as long as it seems useful to me...

..then again, the current MBP is plenty useful already XD

I'll see what goes on in the coming months.

[OasisFanboy]

All so confusing! I'm on the very verge of jumping from PC to Macbook, yet just when I'm about to enter my credit card details I read of upcoming updates, both in terms of spec and aesthetics. Meh. I guess I better get used to this sort of thing if I'm going Apple!

[wyeknott]

Carbon fiber in matte black?

[Digital Skunk]

Computers for the "rich" of us. :rolleyes:

More like, a computer that lasts for the rest of us. I think the MB is a well built machine that's built better than the MBP in some regards. And the competition is offering the same thing for a slightly cheaper, or slightly more expensive price.

I think the best thing the comp offers is the ability to fully customize their machines. Instead of the "one size fits you because we said so" model that Apple has.

[Alida]

I wonder how macbook would look like in aluminium...;)

I couldn't own a plastic book. It wouldn't last a month. I need industrial tools. I drop things. The only reason my Powerbook G4 has lasted so long is that it is aluminum.

Of course, I have had to have the hard drive replaced three times, among other things.

Always get the AppleCare...it's worth it, but wait till the limited warranty almost is up because then you get an extra year if you need all the repairs I have had to have done.

Right now, I can't read the letters on the keys, they have all been scratched off from typing....and only three years old, tsk, tsk.

[Alida]

Sorry, but not going to happen.

When I switched to Mac from Windows after 20 years of computing, I had a Mac geek come to my house to give me a few tips on my new Powerbook G4. The first thing he did was pull out 4 stick on "feet" you can get at Radio Shack or other stores to put on the bottom of things. This guy was a pro.

He knew how they overheated. The batteries never got recalled on the 17 inch but he knew they still got hot.

From that time, I have had the stick on feet on the four corners of my box.

And when I use it, it's on a table or a lap wooden tray.

I think if there would ever be a design change in the aluminum Powerbooks, they would have raised corners for air circulation.

My adapter got so hot I have had it burn up.

The thing about laptops is the components are so close, they don't last as long if you are on them a great deal. They just burn out.

And they need to do something about the keys.....the letters scratch off from typing so much. Sometimes you do have to look at the keyboard.

That would be my two design suggestions.

Raised corners on the bottom for better air circulation and keys where the letters and numbers don't scratch off.

I love the 17 inch Powerbook.

Now I am spoiled and when I replace it, it will have to be with the next era of Powerbooks.

[Tensakun]

All so confusing! I'm on the very verge of jumping from PC to Macbook, yet just when I'm about to enter my credit card details I read of upcoming updates, both in terms of spec and aesthetics. Meh. I guess I better get used to this sort of thing if I'm going Apple!

That no lie. Welcome to the club.:p

[AidenShaw]

All so confusing! I'm on the very verge of jumping from PC to Macbook, yet just when I'm about to enter my credit card details I read of upcoming updates, both in terms of spec and aesthetics. Meh. I guess I better get used to this sort of thing if I'm going Apple!

But the PC world has been this way for years, and still is.

In the PC world, though, you know when new Intel stuff is coming, and you can be sure of PCs with the new stuff coming out soon after.

Apple may take months before upgrading to current Intel parts (quad core in the Maxitower, and Penryn in the laptops for examples).

[mrwindup]

What are the upgrades going to be? Will there be a redesign?

[Mackan]

I couldn't own a plastic book. It wouldn't last a month. I need industrial tools. I drop things. The only reason my Powerbook G4 has lasted so long is that it is aluminum.

I am wondering how your PowerBook looks like. Aluminum dents very easily.

[vancexxx]

Carbon fiber in matte black?


OH YEAH! That would be awesome. Carbon fiber matte black 15.4 inch MacBook!

[k2spitfire88]

OH YEAH! That would be awesome. Carbon fiber matte black 15.4 inch MacBook!

Not gonna happen, maybe 13.3" MB, because they view the 15 inch models as pro-size, and needing pro-power.

[OasisFanboy]

In the PC world, though, you know when new Intel stuff is coming, and you can be sure of PCs with the new stuff coming out soon after.

Apple may take months before upgrading to current Intel parts (quad core in the Maxitower, and Penryn in the laptops for examples).

Exactly - that's my point! =)

Still, I'm totally sold on Macbook functionality. I'm going to wait until the rumoured next July (?) update and then buy. I'm not so worried about a silver redesign; I really like the white. Plus, you could wait forever, gotta take the plunge sometime.

[esaias]

Well the macbook is the only white plastic one in the mac line up so I guess if definately get its looks upgraded to in line with rest of the line up.

a better quality LCD panel would be great because the current one has bad viewing angles :(

and a better keyboard would be nice too, the current TypoMaster3000 is just plain bad.

-Tomi

[ajtomasik]

will the price change from 1099.00 ?????:confused:

[psychofreak]

will the price change from 1099.00 ?????:confused:

That is unlikely, but possible.

[Quillz]

How about all MacBooks now include a SuperDrive? It's highway robbery that a $399 Dell can have a full CD/DVD burner yet a $1,099 MacBook doesn't.

[Laco]

...

and a better keyboard would be nice too, the current TypoMaster3000 is just plain bad.

-Tomi

haha the keyboard is one of the reasons I bought the Macbook, I love it a lot.

[yorkshire]

I really hope this rumor is true, as i'm getting my first summer job after my exams this summer and will be saving up for one, hopefully i'll have the money by christmas!!! It will be the first time I take a bite out of the :apple:, finally i'll be able to get away from windows for good.

[alphaod]

Not stupidity, but rather business savvy. I bet Apple will release new MBPs around June and wait for new MBs until 15 days after the back to school special ends. This way, they will clear out all of their old inventory.

Exactly what I was thinking; then they have a new machine ready for the holiday season!

[big duck]

Yeah, I want one of these for Uni in September too.
Hopefully the details will be known by around august so I can make an informed decision.

I already have an iMac, so I can wait.

I'd like to see multi touch, just cos its cool.
More battery length would be nice, and a better screen (even though I haven't used one in a while to know what's wrong with the current ones)

[Val-kyrie]

OH YEAH! That would be awesome. Carbon fiber matte black 15.4 inch MacBook!

Actually, I'd love a matte black carbon fiber MBP - though I doubt it will happen. I think Steve is hooked on silver and metal.

[vancexxx]

Actually, I'd love a matte black carbon fiber MBP - though I doubt it will happen. I think Steve is hooked on silver and metal.


yeah... and i for one totally hate silver... silver computers, silver cars, silver phones, silver electronics..... god damn silver! they could bring more colours to the MB (if they make it an aluminium) and MBP range like they did on the ipod shuffle :D
that would be awesome... and even if you don't like it, you would still have a choice and buy the silver one...

[tdhurst]

yeah... and i for one totally hate silver... silver computers, silver cars, silver phones, silver electronics..... god damn silver! they could bring more colours to the MB (if they make it an aluminium) and MBP range like they did on the ipod shuffle :D
that would be awesome... and even if you don't like it, you would still have a choice and buy the silver one...

Are you proposing that Apple color their macbooks after our iPod line? Good god man. Aluminum is much, MUCH nicer. Computers don't have to be bright and shiny to be good. Too much color can be distracting.

There is beauty in simplicity.

[thesdx]

Are you proposing that Apple color their macbooks after our iPod line? Good god man. Aluminum is much, MUCH nicer. Computers don't have to be bright and shiny to be good. Too much color can be distracting.

There is beauty in simplicity.

I think colors would be a great idea. There are plenty of people who would want a computer in their favorite color. Besides, for those who wouldn't want a colored MacBook could get a standard aluminum or matte black one. I don't think it would work on the MacBook Pro, though I do think they could make a black MBP, like the iPod Classic.

[tdhurst]

I think colors would be a great idea. There are plenty of people who would want a computer in their favorite color. Besides, for those who wouldn't want a colored MacBook could get a standard aluminum or matte black one. I don't think it would work on the MacBook Pro, though I do think they could make a black MBP, like the iPod Classic.

Ah, welcome the new generation of Apple users. Not going to happen, though.

It's really tough to a an elitist Apple snob now that so many people own Macs. Me and my kind is becoming extinct!

[Bubba Satori]

Are you proposing that Apple color their macbooks after our iPod line? Good god man. Aluminum is much, MUCH nicer. Computers don't have to be bright and shiny to be good. Too much color can be distracting.

There is beauty in simplicity.

There is also beauty in choice. Think different. An old slogan from a company named Apple Computer. :apple:

[tdhurst]

There is also beauty in choice. Think different. An old slogan from a company named Apple Computer. :apple:

I worked at Apple when iPod minis first came out in different colors.

It was an absolute nightmare. We always had plenty of gold ones on hand though.

[Bubba Satori]

will the price change from 1099.00 ?????:confused:

No and the market for sub $1K laptops is huge and going to grow faster that any other segment in the PC industry in the current economy.

I was looking at a Sunday ad for a Toshiba identically speced to the Macbook. $599. :eek: I know, it didn't run OSX. The $1099 model had 4GB ram, 400GB hard drive, 15.4" screen, DL-DVD, card reader, HDMI port and a Nvidia 8400 video card. :eek:

[CWallace]

I was looking at a Sunday ad for a Toshiba identically speced to the Macbook. $599. :eek: I know, it didn't run OSX. The $1099 model had 4GB ram, 400GB hard drive, 15.4" screen, DL-DVD, card reader, HDMI port and a Nvidia 8400 video card. :eek:

In addition to not running OS X, you also could not take it into a "Toshiba Store" to have a "Guru" look it over if you have a problem. And when you call Tech Support - even if you buy an extended warranty - you'd best have your Hindi to English technical dictionary handy to facilitate communication.

Yes Apple computers cost more then computers made by many other companies. But since Apple is not pushing out 100,000,000 units a year at margins measured in the tens of cents on each one, they can "afford" to provide us end-users with a much better pre-sale, actual sale, and post-sale support experience.

[Holmes89]

I'm hoping for Wimax and I think it's coming (http://gizmodo.com/391487/fcc-filing-teases-wimax-option-for-future-apple-macbooks)

[tdhurst]

In addition to not running OS X, you also could not take it into a "Toshiba Store" to have a "Guru" look it over if you have a problem. And when you call Tech Support - even if you buy an extended warranty - you'd best have your Hindi to English technical dictionary handy to facilitate communication.

Yes Apple computers cost more then computers made by many other companies. But since Apple is not pushing out 100,000,000 units a year at margins measured in the tens of cents on each one, they can "afford" to provide us end-users with a much better pre-sale, actual sale, and post-sale support experience.

Preach on, brother, preach on.

[teasphere]

I'm new here, and waiting to become a Mac owner as soon as the new Macbooks drop... but I think I may have a new angle/outlook from others expressed so far in this thread:

I actually think that the new Macbooks may be incorporating the Atom processor line, leaving the Montevina to the Pro line. It is just a guess but I think it makes sense. It would allow them to reduce prices with the coming avalanche of low-priced subnotebooks. It would allow them to shrink the form factor a bit more without cutting into the Air. It would grant users more battery life, which is already high. It would provide more than enough power for a consumer laptop as well as strengthen the market placement of the Pro line for power users.

I fully understand Apple is not concerned with competitor subnotes, or pricing in general, but to push the Macbook line into the $799-$999 range over the multiple option ranges would be huge.

[digitalbiker]

In addition to not running OS X, you also could not take it into a "Toshiba Store" to have a "Guru" look it over if you have a problem. And when you call Tech Support - even if you buy an extended warranty - you'd best have your Hindi to English technical dictionary handy to facilitate communication.

Yes Apple computers cost more then computers made by many other companies. But since Apple is not pushing out 100,000,000 units a year at margins measured in the tens of cents on each one, they can "afford" to provide us end-users with a much better pre-sale, actual sale, and post-sale support experience.

The only flaw to this argument is that the brick and mortar Apple stores only service about 5 to 10% of all Apple users. Most of the US and all international users don't have a convenient Apple store near them.

Also Apple charges an additional $250 for 3 years of phone and warranty support where as dell and toshiba generally includes 3 years of support in the price.

Apple only rates slightly better than Dell for phone support. So it really does boil down to whether or not you want to pay more using OSX vs. Vista. Basically the hardware is the same and Apple charges more for the same hardware configuration.

In my case, I think OS X is worth the extra expense but I can't say that I would pay the extra money that Apple charges if the only difference were the Apple store. For me the nearest store is at least 300 miles away and I live in the US.

[RedTomato]

The only flaw to this argument is that the brick and mortar Apple stores only service about 5 to 10% of all Apple users. Most of the US and all international users don't have a convenient Apple store near them.

I'm over 3000 miles away from the USA but my nearest Apple store is 3 miles down the road. Oh and I have another 3 apple stores within a couple of hours of me. So it isn't totally bleak for us johnny foreigners.

I do agree with your other points.

[k2spitfire88]

I'm new here, and waiting to become a Mac owner as soon as the new Macbooks drop... but I think I may have a new angle/outlook from others expressed so far in this thread:

I actually think that the new Macbooks may be incorporating the Atom processor line, leaving the Montevina to the Pro line. It is just a guess but I think it makes sense. It would allow them to reduce prices with the coming avalanche of low-priced subnotebooks. It would allow them to shrink the form factor a bit more without cutting into the Air. It would grant users more battery life, which is already high. It would provide more than enough power for a consumer laptop as well as strengthen the market placement of the Pro line for power users.

I fully understand Apple is not concerned with competitor subnotes, or pricing in general, but to push the Macbook line into the $799-$999 range over the multiple option ranges would be huge.

why would they do that? Atom in the MB? It isnt even dual core, and their CPU speed is only 800 MHz to 1.87 GHz. That is just ignorance. They will fully keep it competitive (as much as apple does) by using Montevina in the MB, because they are not interested in the $799-$999 laptops, or further down in the bargain bin price range. :mad: That is a ridiculous statement, the form factor is fine the way it is, no need to shrink it more, or make it into another subnotebook, as they already have the AIR, and it is not doing as well as anticipated, because of compromises that they made. Don't say they would make more compromises in one of their most popular, if not their most popular, machine. Please, think logically before you post.

[Bubba Satori]

In addition to not running OS X, you also could not take it into a "Toshiba Store" to have a "Guru" look it over if you have a problem. And when you call Tech Support - even if you buy an extended warranty - you'd best have your Hindi to English technical dictionary handy to facilitate communication.

Yes Apple computers cost more then computers made by many other companies. But since Apple is not pushing out 100,000,000 units a year at margins measured in the tens of cents on each one, they can "afford" to provide us end-users with a much better pre-sale, actual sale, and post-sale support experience.

I agree to a point. But for $500 more ? I just don't see the value in that. Fortunately there isn't a 50% premium/OSX tax on the Mac Pro desktops which I consider an excellent value and will be purchasing soon.

[Neutral Gamer]

why would they do that? ... :mad: That is a ridiculous statement ... Please, think logically before you post.

Woah, teasphere, a newbie, makes his first post in which he makes a very different point to everyone else's, and this is how you treat his comment? :eek:

You've probably scared the poor kid away now. Nice, real nice. :rolleyes: There's no need to be rude you know mate! Everyone's allowed to have an opinion or make a prediction (this is MacRumors after all) whether you agree with it or not.

So it really does boil down to whether or not you want to pay more using OSX vs. Vista. Basically the hardware is the same and Apple charges more for the same hardware configuration.

In my case, I think OS X is worth the extra expense but I can't say that I would pay the extra money that Apple charges if the only difference were the Apple store.

I don't think Mac OS X in itself is worth the extra cost BUT, as I've said many times before, when you take into account the design and brand name and the fact that this is supposed to be a somewhat luxury product, then the higher price is entirely justified.

[Eidorian]

I'm new here, and waiting to become a Mac owner as soon as the new Macbooks drop... but I think I may have a new angle/outlook from others expressed so far in this thread:

I actually think that the new Macbooks may be incorporating the Atom processor line, leaving the Montevina to the Pro line. It is just a guess but I think it makes sense. It would allow them to reduce prices with the coming avalanche of low-priced subnotebooks. It would allow them to shrink the form factor a bit more without cutting into the Air. It would grant users more battery life, which is already high. It would provide more than enough power for a consumer laptop as well as strengthen the market placement of the Pro line for power users.

I fully understand Apple is not concerned with competitor subnotes, or pricing in general, but to push the Macbook line into the $799-$999 range over the multiple option ranges would be huge.I'd ignore k2spitfire88.

I like these refreshing thoughts. I still expect a full blown dual core Montevina MacBook at the high end but a more "budget" model based on the Atom platform is entirely possible.

[Dougmwpsu]

I agree to a point. But for $500 more ? I just don't see the value in that. Fortunately there isn't a 50% premium/OSX tax on the Mac Pro desktops which I consider an excellent value and will be purchasing soon.

I recently bought a Macbook after carefully considering Windows alternatives. Realistically, we're not talking about a $500 premium over comparably speced machines. Sure you can get a laptop for 400 bucks, but have you ever used a b-list manufacturer superbudget doorstop as a daily machine? It has nothing to do with windows vs. osx and everything to do with quality hardware vs. junk hardware.

Hop over to the Dell website and spec out an xps laptop (a worthy alternative to a macbook). You'll find you're looking at maybe a 1-200 dollar savings against apple's website, and in my case, no savings at all. The macbook I bought off amazon was actually about 30 dollars cheaper than its xps counterpart after the rebate. Apple's 2 year extended warranty is also cheaper than Dell's.

Apple's only sin in my mind is not having better BTO options. Had I the option of adding a nvidia 8400m for a c note, I might not have done it, but it would have been nice to have the choice.

[NT1440]

will the price change from 1099.00 ?????:confused:

when apple releases new generations of current products, they almost always keep the pricing the same, gotta love apple:D:apple:

this update is really the only thing im waiting for before i go completely into the world of mac. that, and the fact i have no money, but all summer to save up.

[Cloudane]

Yawning for 2 reasons:

* Macbooks were only updated fairly recently anyway
* "Next Macbook might be due some time within the usual release cycle" isn't particularly news (neither are all the "leaks" about a possible upcoming 3G iPhone!)

Give us a 13" MBP and then I'll get excited. In fact, I'd go straight out and buy one.

[NT1440]

Yawning for 2 reasons:

* Macbooks were only updated fairly recently anyway
* "Next Macbook might be due some time within the usual release cycle" isn't particularly news (neither are all the "leaks" about a possible upcoming 3G iPhone!)

Give us a 13" MBP and then I'll get excited. In fact, I'd go straight out and buy one.
well theres no question at all that a complete redesign is around the bend, ill try to fish for the article but apple has already begun producing the aluminum shells for the new macbook line. the "update" was really just a quick bump in specs to boost interest in the company and the macbooks while a slight slump in the companies reputation and design cycle occured
i really doubt there will ever be a 13" MBP because apple is VERY careful not to tread on its own products

[Teclis]

an 13" MBP would have been nice, though. (or maybe an more powerful macbook option.)

I'm really looking forward to seeing the new macbook, although I like the design on the current one.

[NT1440]

an 13" MBP would have been nice, thoughm (or maybe an more powerful macbook option.)

I'm really looking forward to seeing the new macbook, although I like the design on the current one.

i like the design as well, tho just the idea of the aluminum eliminates my fear of the plastic coming apart like every laptop Ive owned (tho to be fair none of those have the quality of apples products). The structural superiority of the aluminum laptops just really make it worth it for me. I can't wait!

[Teclis]

well, I kind of agree. I was a little sad when i realised that my current laptop was the last i it's kind. (plastic:p)

Luckily my Macbook is still holding together:D

[digitalbiker]

i like the design as well, tho just the idea of the aluminum eliminates my fear of the plastic coming apart like every laptop Ive owned (tho to be fair none of those have the quality of apples products). The structural superiority of the aluminum laptops just really make it worth it for me. I can't wait!

Is the aluminum housing REALLY superior to the plastic one??

I have owned both and I have had more problems with the two Aluminum PB's and a Titanium PB than the plastic MB or ibook. In fact when I pick up a MBA, or MBP I always treat it gently because it seems susceptible to dents, dings, scratches, and cracks. My TI cracked to pieces and my ALPB's dented, broke, and scratched. The Plastic MB just bounces, bends, put doesn't break or crack and seems more resistant to scratches.

In addition the plastic laptops, insulate your lap from the battery and processor heat whereas the metal laptops conduct the heat to your lap. Most of the time I have to use a special pad to sit the metal laptops on so they don't burn my lap. The plastic laptops also have much better wi-fi range.

So is aluminum really superior? The old clamshell ibook was plastic and it was practically bulletproof. I think you could use it as a frisbee and never have a problem with it. The ibook and macbook are more fragile but they are definitely durable and that is why they were perfect for throwing in a school backpack.

[k2spitfire88]

I'm new here, and waiting to become a Mac owner as soon as the new Macbooks drop... but I think I may have a new angle/outlook from others expressed so far in this thread:

I actually think that the new Macbooks may be incorporating the Atom processor line, leaving the Montevina to the Pro line. It is just a guess but I think it makes sense. It would allow them to reduce prices with the coming avalanche of low-priced subnotebooks. It would allow them to shrink the form factor a bit more without cutting into the Air. It would grant users more battery life, which is already high. It would provide more than enough power for a consumer laptop as well as strengthen the market placement of the Pro line for power users.

I fully understand Apple is not concerned with competitor subnotes, or pricing in general, but to push the Macbook line into the $799-$999 range over the multiple option ranges would be huge.

why would they do that? Atom in the MB? It isnt even dual core, and their CPU speed is only 800 MHz to 1.87 GHz. That is just ignorance. They will fully keep it competitive (as much as apple does) by using Montevina in the MB, because they are not interested in the $799-$999 laptops, or further down in the bargain bin price range. :mad: That is a ridiculous statement, the form factor is fine the way it is, no need to shrink it more, or make it into another subnotebook, as they already have the AIR, and it is not doing as well as anticipated, because of compromises that they made. Don't say they would make more compromises in one of their most popular, if not their most popular, machine. Please, think logically before you post.

I admit, i overreacted a bit, and I do apologize, and he is entitled to his own opinion. However, I just think that it would not make sense for them to use the Atom processor in the MB, but it may make sense in a smaller, multitouch device (future iPhones, etc.) That seems to be what makes the most sense to me. Again, apologies for over overreacting! :o

[SodiumBenzoate]

I treat my electronics somewhat obsessively carefully, so the durability difference between plastic and aluminum isn't what I care about - I just think aluminum looks better.

[Teclis]

I treat my electronics somewhat obsessively carefully, so the durability difference between plastic and aluminum isn't what I care about - I just think aluminum looks better.

I think most people do, bot the whole idea with a laptop is that it is portable and when you drag it with you everywhere, it is likley that they will get a small amount of beating over time.

[nintendude]

just a guess but what if they use montevina in the MB and MBP but made a new line using atom called the Macbook Lite or something like that to replace the MBA. not probable but a possibility....................

[Teclis]

just a guess but what if they use montevina in the MB and MBP but made a new line using atom called the Macbook Lite or something like that to replace the MBA. not probable but a possibility....................

Actually, Lite sounds better than Air :)

[Neutral Gamer]

I admit, i overreacted a bit, and I do apologize, and he is entitled to his own opinion. ... Again, apologies for over overreacting! :o

It takes a big man to swallow his pride and admit he was wrong and I salute you for doing so. No hard feelings. :)

[Bubba Satori]

I recently bought a Macbook after carefully considering Windows alternatives. Realistically, we're not talking about a $500 premium over comparably speced machines. Sure you can get a laptop for 400 bucks, but have you ever used a b-list manufacturer superbudget doorstop as a daily machine? It has nothing to do with windows vs. osx and everything to do with quality hardware vs. junk hardware.

No, it was a Toshiba. Same spec. $500 more for the macbook last Sunday. Well, the Toshiba had a 2 inch bigger screen.

[Teclis]

No, it was a Toshiba. Same spec. $500 more for the macbook last Sunday. Well, the Toshiba had a 2 inch bigger screen.

Remember that Apple throws in a lot of additional software that you don't get on a windows machine. iLife, timemachine, exposé etc.

[marbles]

I'm with you on everything you said digitalbiker but this......


doesn't break or crack

I've been thinking of a macbook or MBP and there are a lot of people complaining about cracks in case's too many imo for it to be just a case (no pun) of accidental damage .

Both machines appear to have there own faults which need to be ironed out before I buy
ie:
Macbook screen cracking spontaneously and the case cracking issues I read about .

USB drops and audio issues with the MBP

Those are some of the 'problems' with the machines that I'm concerned about , maybe I'm just reading too many articles on problems/issues that the machines have but it does trouble me all the same , enough to keep my £$£$ in my pocket ...for now at least

[Dougmwpsu]

No, it was a Toshiba. Same spec. $500 more for the macbook last Sunday. Well, the Toshiba had a 2 inch bigger screen.

And how much does it weigh? How compact is its form factor? How durable is it? How does it look?

Computer specs are pretty generic these days. To me, when you’re talking laptop hardware, it’s all about form factor, design, and build quality. I think that makes up the difference right there whether you’re talking a Dell XPS, a Sony VIAO or a Macbook. Now software... that’s another story entirely.

[optophobia]

I wonder if it will have a video card in it instead of integrated graphics...

No it should be the GMA X4500 integrated graphics card if it is the Montevina platform, since a video card would compete with the MBP.

[The Killer Fuzz]

I'm dying of anticipation....

[k2spitfire88]

No it should be the GMA X4500 integrated graphics card if it is the Montevina platform, since a video card would compete with the MBP.

Which could lead us to the long rumored 12" Powebook replacement. It's like Bigfoot, you hear about it, but there is no real proof that it exists (however, I hope they replace the 12"Powerbook, in the place of the BlackBook, with the same price point, which would make it ideal for me!)

[NT1440]

Is the aluminum housing REALLY superior to the plastic one??

I have owned both and I have had more problems with the two Aluminum PB's and a Titanium PB than the plastic MB or ibook. In fact when I pick up a MBA, or MBP I always treat it gently because it seems susceptible to dents, dings, scratches, and cracks. My TI cracked to pieces and my ALPB's dented, broke, and scratched. The Plastic MB just bounces, bends, put doesn't break or crack and seems more resistant to scratches.

In addition the plastic laptops, insulate your lap from the battery and processor heat whereas the metal laptops conduct the heat to your lap. Most of the time I have to use a special pad to sit the metal laptops on so they don't burn my lap. The plastic laptops also have much better wi-fi range.

So is aluminum really superior? The old clamshell ibook was plastic and it was practically bulletproof. I think you could use it as a frisbee and never have a problem with it. The ibook and macbook are more fragile but they are definitely durable and that is why they were perfect for throwing in a school backpack.

well you have good points, but i was refering mostly to the fact that every plastic computer ive used falls apart, ususally at the hinges and connection points. then again, none of them are macs:apple:

[Bubba Satori]

Remember that Apple throws in a lot of additional software that you don't get on a windows machine. iLife, timemachine, exposé etc.

Agreed and one of many reasons my next computer will be a Mac, but it won't be a laptop.