Anyone use a Razer?

[motoxpress]

I need a new mouse and I am thinking about getting a DeathAdder. I want it for doing graphics work on the Mac side and games in Bootcamp. Anyone done this?

I know they announced a mac version but, I am wondering if I can just buy the normal one now and use the mac drivers later?

-mx

[corywoolf]

I need a new mouse and I am thinking about getting a DeathAdder. I want it for doing graphics work on the Mac side and games in Bootcamp. Anyone done this?

I know they announced a mac version but, I am wondering if I can just buy the normal one now and use the mac drivers later?

-mx

Yeah, I would just get it now and use USB Overdrive (shareware) as the driver.

[Consultant]

You might want to read up on reviews such as on insidemacgames.com




----
vote (+ or -) for MR
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=485108

[motoxpress]

Yeah, I have read that review. It seems pretty favorable towards it. I need to find a decent mousepad to go along with it as well. This is on a MBP so, I'll need to find something I can stick in my bag.

-mx

[iMpathetic]

I have a Razer Copperhead. I don't really use it all that much, but it's a terrific mouse and well worth the money.

[nagromme]

I liked USB Overdrive just fine, but FWIW, I recently bought the ControllerMate software, and it's the ultimate driver/customizer for USB devices. It's a bit daunting from it's sheer power, but quite elegant when you get the hang of it: setting up the buttons and axes of a device is done by creating a flowchart via drag and drop.

So it has lots of uses for gamers, aside from just programming the extra buttons on mice. (You can even do custom acceleration curves of your own design.)

[AoWolf]

[QUOTE=motoxpress;5448471
I know they announced a mac version but, I am wondering if I can just buy the normal one now and use the mac drivers later?

-mx[/QUOTE]

Most likely I have been using diamond backs like this for years. In fact I find the system does a better job of handling the mouse the the macpro software did.

[Dagless]

I'm using a Razer Habu, set me back £50 (I like to think of mice as shoes or beds, you spend so long in them that you might as well splash out on the higher end market). It was great but the left mouse button used to double click when I only did a single click, and it would also "reset" the selection tool whenever I would try selecting files in Finder. It was really messed up so I contacted both Razer and Microsoft (since they made it too) and they both wanted nothing to do with me.

I fixed it now by raising the innards by inserting folder pieces of paper under the circuit board.

After all that I'd much rather get a high end Logitech mouse and removed MS and Razer from my xmas card list.

[7031]

I use a Razer mouse, and seriously, it is brilliant. Not only does it up your l33tness, if you do gaming, it's a must.

I even got a razer mousemat to go with it :D.

[nagromme]

If I buy a mouse for gaming, it needs:

* Tons o' buttons (at least six including left/right/middle).

* Left-right tilt scrollwheel.

* A scroll wheel with tactile clicks--not a free spinner.

* Good laser tracking of course.

* Bluetooth would be ideal, but corded would be OK. No USB RF dongles to lose though--I hate those things.

* Small enough for fingertip control would be nice. I'm not into the giant "shoe mice" everyone uses these days.

I'm thinking Logitech or Microsoft are my best bet. Razer, Belkin and Kensington don't seem to have all the functions I'd like.

[Dagless]

* Bluetooth would be ideal, but corded would be OK. No USB RF dongles to lose though--I hate those things.

How is bluetooth now? When I got my iMac I went with the bluetooth mouse and keyboard option, and there was terrible lag with the Mighty Mouse. Just before that I had a Logitech V500 (IIRC) which uses an RF dongle and there was minor lag. I ended up getting a wired Razer since it's got some 100hz polling or something.

Is wireless really lag free now? Once my current mouse dies I might have to look into a BT one if so.

[nagromme]

So I've heard--and although newer Macs have BT 2.1 (which has more reliable initial connections, supposedly--who knows about lag) my main gaming Mac only has 2.0. And I've never noticed a lag problem with my Mighty Mouse.

Which isn't to say the problem isn't there--I just can't notice it. Or maybe I set my mouse speed differently in a way that helps?

I do want to avoid lag, noticed or not, and if the mouse is chosen JUST for gaming I might prefer wired for that reason.

Looking at the Logitech MX Revolution (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/130&cl=us,en), I really like the features--Plenty of buttons and six scroll axes! Enough for me to play Quake Wars keyboard-free. And it's supported by ControllerMate (and officially supported on Mac by Logitech too). I have a few questions to ask in the ControllerMate forums about it (without drivers, are the wheels clicky the way I like?) but it's my top choice now--despite being RF. (Batteries to worry about AND a USB port wasted!) I wish I could find a good name-brand WIRED mouse with a similar number of programmable functions.

I hadn't heard anything about lag with RF mice--that's a good question to look into.

[motoxpress]

Well, I get VERY frustrated using the BT Mighty Mouse (so-called) in games. I play CS:S and Teamfortress 2 and the lag and lack of effective right-clicking causes me to die often. I tried it once more at a LAN party and vowed to never use the thing again.

I am still looking at the DeathAdder but, I am also considering the G5.

-mx

[ruinfx]

i personally would never buy a razer mouse. the logitech mx518 or the microsoft intellimouse 3.0 are my recommendations.

[motoxpress]

It's funny because there are plenty of people who also strongly oppose buying Logitech.

I am intrigued by the Razers because of some of the things they thought about with the design. I also like a minimalist approach instead of 101 buttons.

I am going to go to the store to try them in hand and see how they feel. thanks for the feedback

-mx

[Trip.Tucker]

Sure do. Every morning with shaving foam.

[ruinfx]

It's funny because there are plenty of people who also strongly oppose buying Logitech.

I am intrigued by the Razers because of some of the things they thought about with the design. I also like a minimalist approach instead of 101 buttons.

I am going to go to the store to try them in hand and see how they feel. thanks for the feedback

-mx

when the deathadder came out i thought it "looked cool" too and then i went to the razer forums (linked below). im not sure if they have fixed the various problems that plagued the mouse when it first came out but it would probably be a good idea to read up and see.

List of current problems
Lift off distance - At the current moment this is fixed for most users, however some mousepads still persist to have a fairly high lift-off distance. This is resolved using firmware 1.10.

Negative/positive acceleration - This is completely resolved with firmware 1.10.

Noisy scroll wheel - Some users complain that the scroll wheel "squeeks" when it's turned, this isn't a common problem however.

Mouse feet too thin - The DeathAdder's physical design causes the bottom of the mouse to scrape a little on the mouse pad (it's has a tiny curve underneath it causing this). This scraping can be resolved using extra mice feet or thick mice feet.

DeathAdder light is broken - Some DeathAdders are malfunctioning with the light, currently this is only a few cases.

http://razerblueprints.net/index.php/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,99/topic,5948.0/

sure they tell you how to "fix" the mouse (the things that seem to be firmware related have been fixed). the slogan "it just works" doesnt really seem to apply to this mouse though. these things could have been fixed by now but id make sure they are before you buy it.

http://razerblueprints.net/index.php/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,99/board,46.0/

[motoxpress]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll be sure to look into it.

-mx

[viva la ben]

I use a Razer pro|solutions PRO 1.6
works with both the Mac and Xp sides great

[nagromme]

Well, I get VERY frustrated using the BT Mighty Mouse (so-called) in games. I play CS:S and Teamfortress 2 and the lag and lack of effective right-clicking causes me to die often.

There are few people I'd recommend a Mighty Mouse too--certainly not gamers. I DO like it for its comfortable size/shape/feel, ability to run on 1 or 2 AAs, looooooong life between charges and BT connectivity. Lag hasn't been a problem I've noticed. But the 4th button is not ergonomic and nearly useless, the right button IS useless in games that need left-right combos (like UT series), and the scrollball may be fine in most apps, but it's useless in FPS games: no notches and too fast, so your weapons scroll out of control. I can set it up to work OK in UT2004, but it's far from ideal. And too few buttons for more complex games.

It's funny because there are plenty of people who also strongly oppose buying Logitech.

I like Logitech hardware--except for all the RF dongles. The drivers (after the APE Leopard fiasco) scare me away though. But then I never like installing mouse drivers anyway--mice don't actually NEED drivers on a Mac--and now that I have ControllerMate, I'll just use that for accessing the extra buttons. I won't be installing manufacturer drivers without a good reason.

I'd gladly try a Razer if they added tilt-scrolling (which is usually better than Apple's ball, I feel) and more buttons. I don't like tons of buttons for daily computing, but for certain games (QW) I do.

[motoxpress]

Well, the G5 is looking better and better. It is just sad we have to use third-party drivers to make these $70 mice work properly.

-mx

[mrwindup]

Razer is a must buy. It is incredible.

[ruinfx]

Well, the G5 is looking better and better. It is just sad we have to use third-party drivers to make these $70 mice work properly.

-mx

why do you need third-party drivers? just plug and play (for logitech and microsoft at least). in vista my mx518 works fine and all the side buttons function and are programmable in game. even the on-the-fly dpi changing buttons work with just the vista mouse drivers.

[Dagless]

why do you need third-party drivers? just plug and play (for logitech and microsoft at least). in vista my mx518 works fine and all the side buttons function and are programmable in game. even the on-the-fly dpi changing buttons work with just the vista mouse drivers.

But that's standard. A lot of people who go out to buy expensive mice want the best experience from it which means customising what goes on. I'm using USB Overdrive to get my Razer the way I want it in OSX. I don't really bother with customising details on the XP side. Especially since OSX also has very slow mouse speed and odd acceleration when using a very high DPI mouse.

[thomanjones]

I have a Razer Copperhead (symetrical, claw). Best mouse I've ever used.

[ruinfx]

But that's standard. A lot of people who go out to buy expensive mice want the best experience from it which means customising what goes on. I'm using USB Overdrive to get my Razer the way I want it in OSX. I don't really bother with customising details on the XP side. Especially since OSX also has very slow mouse speed and odd acceleration when using a very high DPI mouse.

having an expensive mouse with fancy drivers is silly and it wont make you good. its just a way for razer to market their mice and charge out the wazoo for a "pro gamer" mouse. just because your mouse has more dpi does not make it superior. its like megapixels in a digital camera, a metric that is used to sell a product to the uninformed that think dpi makes a mouse better.

for gaming the mousepad is probably more important, not some 99999dpi razer mouse that lights up when you sit alone in the dark pretending to be a pro going 24-8 in a pub. in the end it all comes down to the mouses shape IMO, whatever feels comfortabe and is easy to move/play with is the best mouse YOU can buy.

/rant

[corywoolf]

Most likely I have been using diamond backs like this for years. In fact I find the system does a better job of handling the mouse the the macpro software did.

A very rushed post indeed... ;)

[Dagless]

/rant

That's a kind of weak rant. Most Razer's support 100hz polling, on the fly DPI adjustment (crucial in fast games), have tailored button placement. Of course ergonomics vary depending on what you want from a mouse but the Habu is the comfiest thing I've ever used, even comes with an adjustable side panel so you can swap between side button placement. Everything about it* has been properly designed for long term gaming use.

And the teflon pads makes it way smoother than my previous Logitech and MS mice (I don't use a mouse pad, just the desk). And from personal experience DPI does matter ;) gaming aside it's also the perfect mouse for pixel art. I didn't even get caught up by the press or marketting. I've never even seen a Razer advert in the UK! Didn't even know the brand till I got home, tried it then decided to research what they were about.

*Course I can't talk about every Razer since I've only ever owned one.

[motoxpress]

Even though I do game (couple of hours a week), I am mostly concerned about precision in my design work. There are times where I am placing points in Illustrator where my mouse will make something impossible to do. That is why I want to get something that does not drive me nuts like the mighty mouse.

-mx

[Trip.Tucker]

Even though I do game (couple of hours a week), I am mostly concerned about precision in my design work. There are times where I am placing points in Illustrator where my mouse will make something impossible to do. That is why I want to get something that does not drive me nuts like the mighty mouse.

-mx

Then you really should be using a tablet like the Wacom series.

[motoxpress]

Then you really should be using a tablet like the Wacom series.

I have had several Wacom tablets and they are really nice for some things but, others work better with a mouse for me. I also find it difficult to use the tablet and still use my keyboard shortcuts whereas with a mouse it's obviously not a problem.

-mx

[ruinfx]

That's a kind of weak rant. Most Razer's support 100hz polling, on the fly DPI adjustment (crucial in fast games), have tailored button placement. Of course ergonomics vary depending on what you want from a mouse but the Habu is the comfiest thing I've ever used, even comes with an adjustable side panel so you can swap between side button placement. Everything about it* has been properly designed for long term gaming use.

And the teflon pads makes it way smoother than my previous Logitech and MS mice (I don't use a mouse pad, just the desk). And from personal experience DPI does matter ;) gaming aside it's also the perfect mouse for pixel art. I didn't even get caught up by the press or marketting. I've never even seen a Razer advert in the UK! Didn't even know the brand till I got home, tried it then decided to research what they were about.

*Course I can't talk about every Razer since I've only ever owned one.

i agree dpi does matter if you are doing design work but for gaming it depends on entirely on your play style. my mouse supports 400/800/1600dpi on the fly and i choose to use 400. saying a mouse is better because it has a higher dpi is a bad argument that will only win if you are comparing the specs on the box and nothing else.

also the habu is just a rehashed microsoft intellimouse explorer 3.0, much like the death adder. if razer mice were so good wouldnt every "pro gamer" use one so as not to be at a disadvantage?

[motoxpress]

if razer mice were so good wouldnt every "pro gamer" use one so as not to be at a disadvantage?

I can tell you this, they are not using any Apple mice :)

-mx

[ruinfx]

I can tell you this, they are not using any Apple mice :)

-mx

thats for sure. the truth is that the best "gaming mouse" all comes down to personal preference.

[Xeem]

for gaming the mousepad is probably more important, not some 99999dpi razer mouse that lights up when you sit alone in the dark pretending to be a pro going 24-8 in a pub.
/rant

Actually, the combination of the "99999dpi" sensor and the smooth teflon feet of my Razer have finally allowed me to completely ditch my mousepad and just use the mouse right on my light wood desk (and with superb tracking).

[ruinfx]

Actually, the combination of the "99999dpi" sensor and the smooth teflon feet of my Razer have finally allowed me to completely ditch my mousepad and just use the mouse right on my light wood desk (and with superb tracking).

amazing! razer should advertise that as a feature on the box. "does not require a mousepad!" truly groundbreaking.

[Dagless]

also the habu is just a rehashed microsoft intellimouse explorer 3.0, much like the death adder. if razer mice were so good wouldnt every "pro gamer" use one so as not to be at a disadvantage?

Pretty much everyone in a TF2 and CS:S clan I'm on has a Razer of some sort. And the internals are all from Razer, the casing is just similar to an Intellimouse.

[ruinfx]

Pretty much everyone in a TF2 and CS:S clan I'm on has a Razer of some sort. And the internals are all from Razer, the casing is just similar to an Intellimouse.

im glad pretty much everyone on your team has been sucked in to razer's marketing. logitech and razer get their sensors from the same companies. with razer you are just paying extra for the brand name and the "cool" look.

[Consultant]

Well, the G5 is looking better and better. It is just sad we have to use third-party drivers to make these $70 mice work properly.

-mx

I use Logitech MX 400. It does not need any drivers in either OS X or windows xp (if you can go without the side scrolling). It's a large mouse that fits well in my right hand.

Mouse pad:
xtracpads.com
I have the thin double size one (hummer or something like that) for desk, and a regular size for my laptop bag.

[Dagless]

im glad pretty much everyone on your team has been sucked in to razer's marketing. logitech and razer get their sensors from the same companies. with razer you are just paying extra for the brand name and the "cool" look.

What on earth? So after my 15 years of PC gaming and going through countless numbers of mice, without hearing a word of advertising from Razer I went out, bought one, and saw a massive improvement over my previous MS and Logitech mice. All that is just Razers marketing? Which also completely disregards the above points I made about how Razer mice operate and function different to any other mouse I've used.

And paying extra? So that's why Razer here are on the same pricing level as mid-high end Microsoft and Logitech mice.

[ruinfx]

What on earth? So after my 15 years of PC gaming and going through countless numbers of mice, without hearing a word of advertising from Razer I went out, bought one, and saw a massive improvement over my previous MS and Logitech mice. All that is just Razers marketing? Which also completely disregards the above points I made about how Razer mice operate and function different to any other mouse I've used.

And paying extra? So that's why Razer here are on the same pricing level as mid-high end Microsoft and Logitech mice.

how do razer mice "operate and function different to any other mouse"? they get their sensors from the same manufacturers and some of the mice even share the exact same sensor (old mx518 and diamondback). the special features you mentioned above (on-the-fly dpi changing and 1000hz polling) are not unique to razer mice.

im not denying that the deathadder is a good mouse, but you have to cut the bs. the sensor performs practically the same as the mx500 @ 1000hz (A 6 YEAR OLD MOUSE).

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3306/51477perfectae2.png

http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1300293&page=4

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8646/51480mousescore07uz3.png

http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1300293&page=5

so stop actling like there is some top secret alien technology inside of razer mice. put aside the marketing and look at the data. the deathadder is the only razer mouse that beats the competition and you can get very similar performance from a logitech mx518 for $10 less. neither of those mice will skip when you move it quickly, it pretty much comes down to which shape you prefer. sorry to burst your bubble.

[nagromme]

Seems like CERTAIN Logitechs have electronics as good as the Deathadder. That's good useful info, but it doesn't make raggedjimmi (and his clan) wrong or "sucked in" to think that the Deathadder was better that the various OTHER Logitechs he had been using. Your chart actually shows the value of BOTH the Deathadder and certain Logitechs, so I don't think anyone needs to go on the attack. It's all welcome and useful feedback.

[ruinfx]

Seems like CERTAIN Logitechs have electronics as good as the Deathadder. That's good useful info, but it doesn't make raggedjimmi (and his clan) wrong or "sucked in" to think that the Deathadder was better that the various OTHER Logitechs he had been using. Your chart actually shows the value of BOTH the Deathadder and certain Logitechs, so I don't think anyone needs to go on the attack. It's all welcome and useful feedback.

id like to know which razer mouse he has. i just find it simply not accurate to tout razer mice as somehow being superior without taking a look at their actual performance. i am not so much trying to say logitech is better than razer, just that razer is not better than logitech. :p

[Eclipse278]

I have a Copperhead which I love, but when I plug it into my mbp, it does nothing. Even with steermouse. The only reason I have a windows pc for gaming is because the damn mouse doesnt work in OS X.

[itommy954]

I just purchased a razer pro 1.6 with 1600 dpi and it works GREAT. I use it in my mac games and is wonderful i Unreal and Quake 4. :)

[Xeem]

amazing! razer should advertise that as a feature on the box. "does not require a mousepad!" truly groundbreaking.

That actually is a substantial feature for someone that prefers a minimalist desk. I'm not saying it is unique to Razer mice, either. I'm sure most high-end mice would work fine without a mousepad, but my Mighty Mouse, Kensington Pilotmouse, and Logitech Mediaplay mouse all skip around like crazy on my desk.

[Dagless]

so stop actling like there is some top secret alien technology inside of razer mice. put aside the marketing and look at the data. the deathadder is the only razer mouse that beats the competition and you can get very similar performance from a logitech mx518 for $10 less. neither of those mice will skip when you move it quickly, it pretty much comes down to which shape you prefer. sorry to burst your bubble.

You seem to fail at this discussion since you can't listen to what other people say. No it's not alien tech, it's tweaked tech to get the best results for gamers (like Alienware, game console hardware etc). How many other mice offer customisable side panels? Hell back when I bought my Habu the only 100hz mice cost much, much more. Nothing had the right weight, nothing was as smooth use on a desk surface, had as wide on-the-fly DPI adjustments. Everything was balanced just right.
But I'm clearly wrong because in the 18 months of owning Razer their rivals made better mice which I should have known about in advance, I'm also wrong because I've fallen for marketing I haven't even seen (you keep missing this quite crucial point, before I bought a Razer I had no idea of what they were for or their branding).

That actually is a substantial feature for someone that prefers a minimalist desk. I'm not saying it is unique to Razer mice, either. I'm sure most high-end mice would work fine without a mousepad, but my Mighty Mouse, Kensington Pilotmouse, and Logitech Mediaplay mouse all skip around like crazy on my desk.

Same here :) I don't want to use a mouse mat, surely we're being the need for that now? Well my Logitech and MS mouse weren't happy with that.

[ruinfx]

You seem to fail at this discussion since you can't listen to what other people say. No it's not alien tech, it's tweaked tech to get the best results for gamers (like Alienware, game console hardware etc). How many other mice offer customisable side panels? Hell back when I bought my Habu the only 100hz mice cost much, much more. Nothing had the right weight, nothing was as smooth use on a desk surface, had as wide on-the-fly DPI adjustments. Everything was balanced just right.
But I'm clearly wrong because in the 18 months of owning Razer their rivals made better mice which I should have known about in advance, I'm also wrong because I've fallen for marketing I haven't even seen (you keep missing this quite crucial point, before I bought a Razer I had no idea of what they were for or their branding).

how do you know razer mice used "tweaked tech"? you dont you are just assuming they do. i would hardly call customizable side panels a feature that puts a mouse above others but the logitech G9 actually offers 2 shells that you can choose from. some logitech mice even have removable weights so you can customize the feel and you can customize the dpi-on-the-fly with drivers as well. these features are NOT UNIQUE TO RAZER MICE.

the point you fail to see is that the marketing i am referring to is right on the box and you did fall for it because you bought a razer mouse over another brand without knowing anything about the product. you were a completely uneducated customer (and it seems like you still are) and you made a choice based on the marketing razer put on its box like "for pro gamers", "3G infared technology". you are approaching a fanboy level of blind support here.

[yunk]

Razer pro|solutions PRO 1.6 in the post :D

[motoxpress]

Just an update...

I ended up getting the Logitech G5 yesterday just to try it out. The idea of the laser was appealing as I use it in various locations and not having to worry about surfaces is very useful.

So, far it is working very well. I have to get used to the shape but it's not a big problem. I like the accuracy thus far. I did try it in some TF2 and Day of Defeat action and the rez switching is really useful. I can say that it is MUCH better to use overall than the Apple mouse. I also tried the weights and found it to be plenty weighty without them. So, that aspect appears to be lost on me. This may sound silly but, I really like the cord design - it seems to be a little more manageable than normal mouse cord coatings. My only wish is that they had it in plain old black or something besides the blue scale-texture.

BTW I did just plug it in and it worked straight away except for the thumb buttons. The side-scrolling works fine. I have not used it extensively yet for design work...that is later today :)

-mx

[ruinfx]

Just an update...

I ended up getting the Logitech G5 yesterday just to try it out. The idea of the laser was appealing as I use it in various locations and not having to worry about surfaces is very useful.

So, far it is working very well. I have to get used to the shape but it's not a big problem. I like the accuracy thus far. I did try it in some TF2 and Day of Defeat action and the rez switching is really useful. I can say that it is MUCH better to use overall than the Apple mouse. I also tried the weights and found it to be plenty weighty without them. So, that aspect appears to be lost on me. This may sound silly but, I really like the cord design - it seems to be a little more manageable than normal mouse cord coatings. My only wish is that they had it in plain old black or something besides the blue scale-texture.

BTW I did just plug it in and it worked straight away except for the thumb buttons. The side-scrolling works fine. I have not used it extensively yet for design work...that is later today :)

-mx

yea i did notice that my old mx500 side buttons did not work properly with the standard os x drivers but all my mice have worked fine in windows out of the box.

[sysiphus]

I've got a Logitech G3--ambidextrous "classic" Logitech optical mouse styling/comfort, with a good laser (800/1600 fast switching DPI without installing Windows-only software, else anywhere between 400/2000). Five buttons plus the DPI switcher....I love it. 17 bucks after rebate on Buy.com is hard to beat, too.

[ezekielrage_99]

I have been using my Razer Diamondback for about 2 years now, all I can say is buying a quality mouse whatever it is will be worth every penny.

[sysiphus]

I have been using my Razer Diamondback for about 2 years now, all I can say is buying a quality mouse whatever it is will be worth every penny.

Agreed. And for the love of all that's good and holy, please don't get a MSFT mouse with one of those lousy no-notched scroll wheels :P

[ruinfx]

Agreed. And for the love of all that's good and holy, please don't get a MSFT mouse with one of those lousy no-notched scroll wheels :P

the mousewheel is my major complaint with the microsoft intellimouse explorer 3.0. i like to use my mhweel down and somehow clicking the left mouse button would occasionally trigger the mhweel and really mess me up. one of the reasons i got rid of it, but if you dont use the wheel in game then its perfectly fine.

[MinorBidoh]

Just bought the razer deathadder today and its phenomenal, great comfort, matte finish [on the main, for anti sweaty palms I gather] and terrific speed. Excellent buy, and together with the exactmat you cant go wrong.

[TFMTASAD]

I bought a Razer Lachesis with the 4000 dpi sensor and I HATED IT.
It really didn't fit my hand well, after about 30 minutes of gaming my hand would become sore. I really enjoyed the speed of this thing though. With 4000 dpi you really have a lot of freedom with your setup. It's far from being perfect though, the right side buttons are useless, it has an odd shape that don't fit everyone's hand, there is no way to tell which settings you are on (like a logitech G5 for example). I got a refund and bought a DeathAdder PC Edition. I updated it to use it on my mac. I really like it so far.

[chiefroastbeef]

My brother and I both have the Diamondback, and now he upgraded to the deathadder.

Razers are truly great! I love how smooth the cursor moves across the screen, and the reduced effort it takes for the cursor to move from one end of the screen to the other with minimal hand movement. Plus they look really cool too!