Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.3 9D34 to Developers

[MacRumors]

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For the past two months (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/03/28/apple-seeds-first-mac-os-x-10-5-3-9d10-version/), Apple developers have been testing the next version of Mac OS X Leopard. The latest Mac OS X 10.5.3 test version (build 9D34) was seeded just last week and only adds one kernel performance fix and contains no remaining "known" issues. Meanwhile, Apple's seed note list of the over 200 bug fixes since Mac OS X 10.5.2 has been posted (http://apcmag.com/os_x_1053_about_to_hit.htm) by apcmag.

Once complete, the final Mac OS X 10.5.3 update will become available as a free update to existing Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) users via Software Update. No target date is set, but testing has been ongoing for two months and Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference (WWDC) is just around the corner (June 9th).

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/27/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-10-5-3-9d34-to-developers/)

[4God]

Yup, I smell a 10.5.3 update around June 9th....

[DMann]

Yup, I smell a 10.5.3 update around June 9th....

or sooner..........silent updates before major events have been the usual protocol during the past three years.

[cms2]

Yup, I smell a 10.5.3 update around June 9th....

Agh... I thought I was going to be the first to comment. :mad: Hah hah.. well anyway, yeah. What you said.

To beat many others to the punch: I hope 10.5.3 finally fixes the airport problem with Leopard. I've never actually had a problem with Leopard's wireless, but I know this sentament will be posted by many, many others. :p

[aLoC]

Could be later today, often these things are released on Tuesday.

Personally, Leopard has never really felt "finished" to me. I don't know what specific things are triggering this feeling. Maybe it the glass dock which looks like a draft drawing to me, not a final version. Or the "view options" window in Finder which doesn't seem properly thought out.

I don't know - it just feels like a work in progress a lot more than previous versions have. No proud person went over it with the polishing rag.

[DrGruv1]

just installed delicious lib 2.0 said to please upgrade to 10.5.3 for faster graphics....

methinks in a few days we'll have it ;)

[hhaeschen]

Could be later today, often these things are released on Tuesday.

We discussed this already, when we were waiting for 10.5.2. There is absolutely no historical evidence for such behavior. The likelihood for a release is the same on any workday.

[twoodcc]

good news. i bet 10.5.3 is coming at WWDC

[dagamer34]

When will Office 2008/Expose/Spaces finally be fixed?

[foidulus]

or sooner..........silent updates before major events have been the usual protocol during the past three years.

I certainly hope so. Not only does it not make a lot of sense to release something like this when most of your development crew will be otherwise occupied(helping developers at WWDC), many 3rd party devs will be in SF and not around to support the release should any issues arise.

I hope they release it sooner because we are having some major issues connecting a Leopard client to our Tiger Open Directory server and AD/OD issues seem to be at the top of the list of areas they focused on fixing.

[geerlingguy]

When will Office 2008/Expose/Spaces finally be fixed?

Unfortunately, this is a problem on Microsoft's end, and it won't be going away anytime soon. Microsoft has said that, to fix the problem of windows not going into their proper spaces, they would have to re-write a lot of their UI code. That's what they get for using a ton of non-standard programming conventions (e.g. the tabs in notebook view, the way their pages and text are rendered and displayed, etc.).

[scotty321]

I can't wait for 10.5.3 to come out! Ever since updating to 10.5.2, my MacBook Pro won't sleep anymore. I've been working with a top engineer at Apple who said that Apple has isolated my problem and that the sleep issue is fixed in 10.5.3. My MBP has been overheating waiting for this update to be released -- please release it soon, Apple!

[MartiNZ]

Unfortunately, this is a problem on Microsoft's end, and it won't be going away anytime soon. Microsoft has said that, to fix the problem of windows not going into their proper spaces, they would have to re-write a lot of their UI code. That's what they get for using a ton of non-standard programming conventions (e.g. the tabs in notebook view, the way their pages and text are rendered and displayed, etc.).

Thankfully it's not all bad. Their using their own graphics engine for the suite means the antialiasing looks much better than in Pages, for instance, which still doesn't take advantage of the sub-pixel rendering that makes OS X's text so pretty.

Other than that ... looking forward to 10.5.3 as much as I have been since I got this machine. Two weeks between these last two seeds, and only two builds higher ... I'm really hoping for an imminent release. Good luck to me!

[DaveTheGrey]

10.5.2 was a big step in the right direction. I think with 10.5.3 we could reach the stability of Tiger.
My favourite 10.5.3 bug:
After 20 seconds, when I closed the lid of my MBP, it wakes up magically and then goes back to sleep... :(

[Aron Peterson]

Will Finder prefs finally treat Boot Camp partitions as a hard drive and not as an optical drive or iPod?

[peterdevries]

Agh... I thought I was going to be the first to comment. :mad: Hah hah.. well anyway, yeah. What you said.

To beat many others to the punch: I hope 10.5.3 finally fixes the airport problem with Leopard. I've never actually had a problem with Leopard's wireless, but I know this sentament will be posted by many, many others. :p

I'm sure this has been discussed many many times, but I had the same problem, but some fiddling with the settings solved the problem for me. If I remember correctly it was setting the wide channels to narrow that fixed my problem..

Still hope they fix it though..

In addition, I don't see any reason for Apple to wait until the WWDC. I hope it gets released earlier.

[Am3822]

I just hope they'll sort out the multiple input sources issue.

[Ludde]

I just hope they'll sort out the multiple input sources issue.

I couldn't agree more.

[Markus1982]

After 20 seconds, when I closed the lid of my MBP, it wakes up magically and then goes back to sleep... :(

I have that too. Very annoying.

I filed a bug on it and hope they fix it. I gave them as much information I could gather but didn't hear from them since. Seems to be related to the energy saving preferences.

[Full of Win]

Meh... and I'm sure this will break [insert app here], that will make [insert dev here] blame Apple. The [insert issue here] will be fixed though, when [insert dev here] releases a patch in [insert number] weeks to fix the break.

[ceres]

I hope they fix the bug in file vault which accounts for the inability to permanently store preferences for instance in Safari, FF and default apps.
This has bugged the hell out of me lately.

[MartiNZ]

The sleep, wake, sleep issue is just part of the pain of sleep. I think they should give us a GUI to show properly that we can disable the slow, slow sleep - I don't want to have to wait 30 seconds just to make sure it is asleep, the whole point for laptops is you can shut the machine, pick it up, pack it and take it away.

It would also be nice if they fixed the fact that custom keyboard shortcuts through System Preferences mysteriously vanish after a few days, but that has existed ever since they introduced custom shortcuts - Panther?

Also they could make the iTunes dashboard widget work properly for the first time ever ... but I'm sure I'll be reporting that one for the 16th time come 10.5.3 :).

[sebastianlewis]

Especially good news for me because I'll be able to test an operating system upgrade without having to worry about my user data this time. As soon as I finish partitioning my system drive and moving my data over from my backup drive, my home folder will work off a different partition. ^_^

Sebastian

[sebastianlewis]

I hope they fix the bug in file vault which accounts for the inability to permanently store preferences for instance in Safari, FF and default apps.
This has bugged the hell out of me lately.

Just disable VileFault.

It is slowing down your system, eating up drive space like no tomorrow, and if someone actually were to steal your computer, it is entirely possible for them to easily steal your data with a can of air and some patience.

Sebastian

[MacsRgr8]

Just disable VileFault.

Sebastian

LOL! :cool:

[ts1973]

When will Office 2008/Expose/Spaces finally be fixed?

Indeed !

My (and many others') major issue with excel windows freezing my Macs graphics (only solved by a hard reboot) is not listed. The freeze is caused by leopard's graphics update after 10.5.2 and has clearly been pointed out as Apple's fault. Fix this Apple, it is unacceptable.

[Kuska]

Released at WWDC when it will be standard on the new 'electronic computers' mentioned in recent MR threads.

That's just my guess

[sebastianlewis]

LOL! :cool:

I wish it weren't true but FileVault is definitely deserving of that nickname, I'm hoping that 1) Apple will make Mac OS X bootable off of ZFS and 2) At that time, ZFS will have fully implemented file system level encryption (which is currently alpha) instead of the um.. "workaround" that Apple uses with VileFault and HFS+.

Sebastian

[BenRoethig]

Could be later today, often these things are released on Tuesday.

Personally, Leopard has never really felt "finished" to me. I don't know what specific things are triggering this feeling. Maybe it the glass dock which looks like a draft drawing to me, not a final version. Or the "view options" window in Finder which doesn't seem properly thought out.

I don't know - it just feels like a work in progress a lot more than previous versions have. No proud person went over it with the polishing rag.

I agree. Leopard was released when it was to avoid comparisons to Vista. From the install process on they had somethings that weren't quite ironed out. They probably should have just bitten the bullet and released it around Macworld.

[sebastianlewis]

I agree. Leopard was released when it was to avoid comparisons to Vista. From the install process on they had somethings that weren't quite ironed out. They probably should have just bitten the bullet and released it around Macworld.

I'd now like to agree, after trying several times, Disk Utility absolutely refuses to partition my internal HDD so I can move my home folder to it, still troubleshooting but at this point it looks like there's nothing I can do right now until Apple fixes it.

Sebastian

[Saladinos]

I want the MacBook sleep issue fixed. Every time I wake it up (Penryn BlackBook), I get a cursor with loads of artefacts. I don't know what I'm clicking and have to find some object with a hover-over to get the mouse back.

Oh, and the startup time is way too long. And we should have a button to disable the startup sound for good. Whatever sound setting your mac was on when it went to sleep.

[trrosen]

Please just get scanners working again. Not that image capture sucks (IC still works while all my twain drivers fail) But when doing bulk scans its just no good at all. Had to rervert my macbook to 10.5 to do batch scanning.

[daneoni]

Have to say i'm not having any of the issues people have been getting on my MacBook. The only gripe i have with Leopard now is the permissions issue and the fact that animations are still slow...so maybe a GPU driver update would be nice.

Oh yeah, one big faux pas i wish they would fix would be to bring back the Spotlight results window that Tiger has rather than the current disorganised list of Finder results you get when you search

Also an option to turn off that 3D dock would be nice without resorting to Terminal

But no sleep issue, airport issue, DVD+4GB KP issue etc. Maybe i should keep my macbook and not sell it after all since its issue free

[Qwest905]

well hopefully that 4gb kernel problem when playing dvds with dvd player is resolved

[ckurowic]

Will Finder prefs finally treat Boot Camp partitions as a hard drive and not as an optical drive or iPod?

Huh?? I don't have this issue. Do you mean the icon looks like an iPod or optical?

[137489]

When will Office 2008/Expose/Spaces finally be fixed?

Office 2008 is owned, supported, and developed by Microsoft - so don't hold your breath. I was in the Apple store last night looking for more products to run natively on my mac; so I could ditch running windows all together - thank God some of the macs had Office 2008 loaded, so that I could play with it. Crashed it 3 times just doing basic stuff, and it was horrible to work with (and I thought Office 2007 on windows was bad). looks more and more like iwork or something else for me.

[kornyboy]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A102 Safari/419.3)

just installed delicious lib 2.0 said to please upgrade to 10.5.3 for faster graphics....

methinks in a few days we'll have it ;)

I agree that it will be very soon. Most likely before WWDC.

[137489]

I don't know why I am looking forward to this update :confused: I never had any problems with my mac :D

On the other hand, my office looks like a dell factory/graveyard. I have a desktop for work (I work at home, telecommuting), in the 3 months since I had it the power supply, motherboard, and hard drive went. my 2 yr old dell laptop's DVD burner is dying, and I have a friend's Dell laptop that I need to replace the LCD for him (only 1 year old and out of warrenty).

well at least I never applied an Apple update and have the entire system crash on me, unlike Windows.

[psychofreak]

just installed delicious lib 2.0 said to please upgrade to 10.5.3 for faster graphics....

methinks in a few days we'll have it ;)

This unfortunately proves nothing; the developer (Wil Shipley) has been posting on Twitter for weeks that DL2 is finished and he's waiting for 10.5.3 that should be out soon, he just decided not to wait any longer and to have a message on start up.

[kbmb]

Disk Utility Repair Permissions progress bar now behaves correctly

Finally. Now we don't have to have endless threads with people saying this is broken.

-Kevin

[Hooka]

I need a safari fix. The web browser is just so buggy and crashes at least once a week. Other than that 10.5.2 has been pretty solid.

Do you think apple will ever include a audio out function to airport? I know of third party software but we should not have
to pay for such a function. I stream Sirius for my Howard Stern and would love to hear the show and other programming on my kick ass stereo.

[Eidorian]

I need a safari fix. The web browser is just so buggy and crashes at least once a week.It only crashes at least once a week for you? I wish it did that for me. :rolleyes:

Waiting for DVD Player + 4 GB fix but new MacBooks work as well.

[DrinkGuinness]

I really hope that 10.5.3 works out whatever bugs are plaguing my MBP. Since upgrading, it seems like my battery life is down drastically.

My biggest gripe being that my pointer frequently disappears, essentially freezing the laptop. The only way to get it to come back is to shut the lid, wait a few seconds, and reopen it. It always works but is frustrating.

Still, not as bad as 7.5.2. :D

[Hooka]

It only crashes once a week for you? I wish it did that for me. :rolleyes:

Waiting for DVD Player + 4 GB fix but new MacBooks work as well.

I said at least once a week. Meaning it crashes once a week if not more.

[Eidorian]

I said at least once a week. Meaning it crashes once a week if not more.That's par for all the browsers I've used.

[fuziwuzi]

Unfortunately, this is a problem on Microsoft's end, and it won't be going away anytime soon. Microsoft has said that, to fix the problem of windows not going into their proper spaces, they would have to re-write a lot of their UI code. That's what they get for using a ton of non-standard programming conventions (e.g. the tabs in notebook view, the way their pages and text are rendered and displayed, etc.).

i have told my mates about my problems (jumping spaces, and spaces visiable over other windows). no one seemed to comment on it, nice to know it's an MS problem, but shame it's not being fixed :(

[decimortis]

...And we should have a button to disable the startup sound for good. Whatever sound setting your mac was on when it went to sleep.

Disable our beloved Gong! :eek:

Solution: A finger in each ear.

[TheSpaz]

I'm looking forward to the graphics boost that is rumored to be in 10.5.3. Better nVidia drivers for the 8800GT.

[TheSpaz]

I need a safari fix. The web browser is just so buggy and crashes at least once a week.

My friend used to have a problem with Safari crashing all the time... that is until I had him check how many plug-ins he had installed. He had like 20 plug-ins that he'd collected over the years and some of them were simply causing compatibility issues. Once he took out all the old ones and only keep the essentials, his Safari ran a whole lot faster and more stable. My Safari almost never crashes. (And when it does, it's from a porn site or something... I have no idea how it gets to the sites though ;))

[TheSpaz]

I'd now like to agree, after trying several times, Disk Utility absolutely refuses to partition my internal HDD so I can move my home folder to it, still troubleshooting but at this point it looks like there's nothing I can do right now until Apple fixes it.

Sebastian

The volume has to have Journaling turned on and you have to hit the (+) button in order to add a new partition because if you use the drop-down menu to choose how many partitions you want, it will ask you to erase the drive..... but, if you hit the plus icon, it will not ask you to erase the drive, you just have to make sure Journaling is turned on (I believe you can do it from the File menu).

[psychofreak]

Oh, and the startup time is way too long. And we should have a button to disable the startup sound for good. Whatever sound setting your mac was on when it went to sleep.

Holding a button on startup should suffice as an option to mute it, the sound is awful in class and I don't always remember to turn it off on mute.

[DIXIE]

Does anyone have real knowledge regarding Apple's current policy of updating the Leopard Retail Box inventory stream?

If not, is there any indication that 10.5.3 would be an updated Retail Box version as Apple did for Tiger? :)

It would be a risky update pain to start from scratch (10.5.0) on new installations!


DIXIE :confused:

[decimortis]

Does anyone have real knowledge regarding Apple's current policy of updating the Leopard Retail Box inventory stream?

If not, is there any indication that 10.5.3 would be an updated Retail Box version as Apple did for Tiger? :)

It would be a risky update pain to start from scratch (10.5.0) on new installations!


DIXIE :confused:

We're purchased Leopard last month at work and it was boxed as 10.5.1 not sure what the schedule for updating the retail version is, but I assume as soon as the update is released they start pressing that version into retail.

Did that help, or was I talking out of an orfice?

[hayesk]

Indeed !

My (and many others') major issue with excel windows freezing my Macs graphics (only solved by a hard reboot) is not listed. The freeze is caused by leopard's graphics update after 10.5.2 and has clearly been pointed out as Apple's fault. Fix this Apple, it is unacceptable.

Been clearly pointed out by who? If it wasn't a MS Office developer or MacOS X developer that pointed this out, then it is pure conjecture. Bugs can go unnoticed in software for several releases due to the memory mapping, unused system calls, etc. and then are exposed after an update. It's not always correct to assume the last action (the update) caused the problem.

[DIXIE]

We're purchased Leopard last month at work and it was boxed as 10.5.1 not sure what the schedule for updating the retail version is, but I assume as soon as the update is released they start pressing that version into retail.

Did that help, or was I talking out of an orfice?

Thanks for the quick reply ..... it sounds encouraging!


DIXIE :)

[HyperZboy]

I'd like to see ONE GLARING FLUB FIXED...

The ability to click on a folder in the dock and, ummm, it just frikkin OPENS!

DUH!!!!

Sure I love all the other dock options, but the most OBVIOUS ONE is NOT an OPTION!

This is BEYOND STUPID and would make for a great Microsoft Vista commercial if MS had any cajones or Vista was any good.

Just fix it Apple so people will once and for all stop complaining about Leopard's DOCK!

OH, and ONE MORE THING... MAKE SAFARI BLOCK POP-UP WINDOWS!!!!
Yeah, it's supposed to already, but that's like false advertising because it does NOT work on any of my Macs with a variety of websites.

Thank you.

[hhaeschen]

And we should have a button to disable the startup sound for good. Whatever sound setting your mac was on when it went to sleep.

Nah, you can't do that. That's the sound to which everyone in the library turns to you with the typical "Ah, he's one of them"-look in their eyes! I enjoy that! :p

[Ant1-Hero]

i was really looking forward to this update, but leopard is finally running just the way i want it to, adium was causing graphical errors, but i started using msn and everything is wicked fast, im gonna wait a bit before making the jump.

[HyperZboy]

Nah, you can't do that. That's the sound to which everyone in the library turns to you with the typical "Ah, he's one of them"-look in their eyes! I enjoy that! :p

All you have to do is hit the MUTE key on your keyboard before shutting your Mac down and I'm pretty sure it will be silent on the next start.

At least my Macs always are, but they are all PowerPC. Is this an Intel-only issue?

[xUKHCx]

We're purchased Leopard last month at work and it was boxed as 10.5.1 not sure what the schedule for updating the retail version is, but I assume as soon as the update is released they start pressing that version into retail.

Did that help, or was I talking out of an orfice?

Not all updates get made into the retail version. If you look at Tiger there was 10.4.0, 10.4.3 and 10.4.6.

Now looking at Leopard there are 10.5.0 and 10.5.1, they skipped 10.5.2 which was reported at the time to be a pretty major fix and now with 10.5.3 adding over 200 fixes to that list as well would suggest that they will release 10.5.3 a retail disc. Although that is just conjecture.

The update process is easy, I always make sure to download the combo update.

[ts1973]

Been clearly pointed out by who? If it wasn't a MS Office developer or MacOS X developer that pointed this out, then it is pure conjecture. Bugs can go unnoticed in software for several releases due to the memory mapping, unused system calls, etc. and then are exposed after an update. It's not always correct to assume the last action (the update) caused the problem.

Official thread (http://www.mcse.ms/showthread.php?t=2748382&page=5), where the MS guys visit.

As a matter of fact, I worked with Microsoft on pinpointing this exact bug. However, they can't do much about it.

Edit: if you're not satisfied with that thread, just have a look at the Apple support forums, enough evidence there...

[oyebto]

cant wait! hopefully they fix the kernel panic on running dvd player with 4gb ram macbook.

[sebastianlewis]

The volume has to have Journaling turned on and you have to hit the (+) button in order to add a new partition because if you use the drop-down menu to choose how many partitions you want, it will ask you to erase the drive..... but, if you hit the plus icon, it will not ask you to erase the drive, you just have to make sure Journaling is turned on (I believe you can do it from the File menu).

I believe Journaling is turned on, the option to turn it on is grayed out anyway so if it's not I'd probably have to check if it is and maybe turn it on via Terminal. Otherwise I do use the plus button, I have tried it from my Leopard disc, I have tried disabling hibernation first and making sure all my files of 1GB or larger were not on my main HDD (which was easy since I moved my home folder to a backup disk and pointed my user account to that to use as it's home folder until I can get Disk Utility to partition my main HDD, so I could just delete my home directory on my Mac), and for now I'm going to have to give up since I'm going to need my Macbook today and I'd rather not have a Firewire drive attached to it all day.

Thanks though.

Sebastian

[psychofreak]

They have got to add support for folders in the Applications chooser when adding keyboard shortcuts in System Preferences. Every time I want to add a shortcut to Pages, I move it out of the iWork folder, add a shortcut, and move it back into the folder.

[Am3822]

cant wait! hopefully they fix the kernel panic on running dvd player with 4gb ram macbook.

Slightly off-topic, but just so I would know -- is it a macbook-only issue?

[zali0n]

What about the wireless issues? I have both a MBP and Mac Mini running on 10.5.2 and both of them keep disconnecting from the wireless network every couple of minutes or so. It's certainly not the hardware as both my PC's and my Boot Camp parition maintain an connection just fine.

[xUKHCx]

Slightly off-topic, but just so I would know -- is it a macbook-only issue?

It is a bug that affects the x3100 drivers + 4GB + SR. So basically yes.

[TheSpaz]

I believe Journaling is turned on, the option to turn it on is grayed out anyway so if it's not I'd probably have to check if it is and maybe turn it on via Terminal. Otherwise I do use the plus button, I have tried it from my Leopard disc, I have tried disabling hibernation first and making sure all my files of 1GB or larger were not on my main HDD (which was easy since I moved my home folder to a backup disk and pointed my user account to that to use as it's home folder until I can get Disk Utility to partition my main HDD, so I could just delete my home directory on my Mac), and for now I'm going to have to give up since I'm going to need my Macbook today and I'd rather not have a Firewire drive attached to it all day.

Thanks though.

Sebastian

To un-gray-out the "Enable Journaling" option, you must hold down the Option key... sorry. Hold down option while clicking the File Menu and Enable Journaling should be lit up now. I hope this works. I had to do this the other day, that's why I am explaining all of this... I would hate to see someone go through the same struggle that I went through... hehe.

Edit, you also have to be clicked on a partition and not on the top level drive itself.

[daneoni]

...
But no sleep issue, airport issue, DVD+4GB KP issue etc. Maybe i should keep my macbook and not sell it after all since its issue free...

...
Waiting for DVD Player + 4 GB fix but new MacBooks work as well...

cant wait! hopefully they fix the kernel panic on running dvd player with 4gb ram macbook.

It is a bug that affects the x3100 drivers + 4GB + SR. So basically yes.

On second thought i think i spoke too soon. I just tested my BlackBook SR again with a DVD and it the thing hadn't even started playing when i got the good ol KP, which is weird cos i never had this issue until now. Sigh...i shall be getting rid of this thing after all

[stagi]

hopefully this week :)

[i.maverick]

10.5.2 was a big step in the right direction. I think with 10.5.3 we could reach the stability of Tiger.
My favourite 10.5.3 bug:
After 20 seconds, when I closed the lid of my MBP, it wakes up magically and then goes back to sleep... :(

to my fav.. widgets remain on desktop like apps. Or gadgets (yuck)
they don't work. they are not moved by expose'. and they remain on top. And do not go away after a restart.
have to delete the widget and install again.
:rolleyes:

[xUKHCx]

On second thought i think i spoke too soon. I just tested my BlackBook SR again with a DVD and it the thing hadn't even started playing when i got the good ol KP, which is weird cos i never had this issue until now. Sigh...i shall be getting rid of this thing after all

We (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=429296) aren't making it up, it is a known bug (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5127629&postcount=32)

[i.maverick]

It would also be nice if they fixed the fact that custom keyboard shortcuts through System Preferences mysteriously vanish after a few days, but that has existed ever since they introduced custom shortcuts - Panther?


they've never really worked for me. i can see the shortcut i have made. but it never works. for any app. anywhere.

Indeed !

My (and many others') major issue with excel windows freezing my Macs graphics (only solved by a hard reboot) is not listed. The freeze is caused by leopard's graphics update after 10.5.2 and has clearly been pointed out as Apple's fault. Fix this Apple, it is unacceptable.

excel is actually a piece of junk. i really prefer numbers to excel. yes, 08.
i mean, even the scrolling is cumbersome on excel. plus whole another issue with keyboard shortcuts for office.
bah!
:rolleyes:

[sebastianlewis]

To un-gray-out the "Enable Journaling" option, you must hold down the Option key... sorry. Hold down option while clicking the File Menu and Enable Journaling should be lit up now. I hope this works. I had to do this the other day, that's why I am explaining all of this... I would hate to see someone go through the same struggle that I went through... hehe.

Edit, you also have to be clicked on a partition and not on the top level drive itself.

Hmm, I only have the option to Disable Journaling so it looks like it's enabled.

Sebastian

[daneoni]

We (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=429296) aren't making it up, it is a known bug (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5127629&postcount=32)

Lol...i'm not saying you were. Speaking of which, i just tried again now and its playing fine. In fact its playing as i type this with no issues. Go figure. I guess it only works when it wants to

[hilld]

I didn't see the 2 issues that bother me the most listed among the fixes, however, it is a long long long list and I could have missed it.

1. Copying files from the Mac to a Windows share results in 0kb files and "resource is in use" when trying to delete the file

2. Performance issues using VM Ware Fusion or Parallels. The XP images now just crawl, they used to be much faster in 10.5.1

That should do it for me.

[psychofreak]

Apple need to put more effort into Graphite, for example in Pages' Inspector

http://mt15.quickshareit.com/share/picture10cdc2.png

[sboultbee]

All you have to do is hit the MUTE key on your keyboard before shutting your Mac down and I'm pretty sure it will be silent on the next start.

At least my Macs always are, but they are all PowerPC. Is this an Intel-only issue?

I think the easiest way to take care of the startup chime is to use software such as the StartupSound preference pane (http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~arcana/StartupSound/BETA/index.en.html) to disable the chime. Other software like MacPilot can also do this. Then you don't have to worry about what your volume was at prior to shutdown or restart.

I had to use software such as this on my G5 Quad. The "Late 2005" PowerMacs always play their startup chime through the built-in speaker, and completely ignore the main system volume settings.

[vansouza]

The new beta does not play nice with my logitech nano mouse so I am back to using the mighty mouse. Also some not nice things happen when waking from sleep.:eek:

[cms2]

Apple need to put more effort into Graphite, for example in Pages' Inspector



ah crap. i hadn't noticed that one... now it will be all i see. :rolleyes:

[retro83]

2. Performance issues using VM Ware Fusion or Parallels. The XP images now just crawl, they used to be much faster in 10.5.1

That should do it for me.

If it is the graphics that are slow (jerky etc) then you might have hit the same bug me and a few others have. I've spoken to VMWare about it (http://communities.vmware.com/thread/125971;?tstart=0&start=0) but they apparently cannot reproduce it.

I've also reported it to Apple, and went through a number of reinstalls/reimages to isolate the issue (it is caused by LGU 1.0)). Since the end of February though I've heard nothing.

[D4F]

Hopefully Airport and nVidia driver issues will be addressed.

[cms2]

I hope Safari will feel much snappier... :D

[peejack]

Im looking forward to shared folder working again, the are completely broke on 5.2

[Ant1-Hero]

I hope Safari will feel much snappier... :D

Believe me it's going to be so snappy, it's gonna hurt :D

[MartiNZ]

Indeed !

My (and many others') major issue with excel windows freezing my Macs graphics (only solved by a hard reboot) is not listed. The freeze is caused by leopard's graphics update after 10.5.2 and has clearly been pointed out as Apple's fault. Fix this Apple, it is unacceptable.

Have you applied Office 2008 service pack 1? I know MS said it was Apple's fault, but I have not managed to freeze my system in that manner with Excel since applying the service pack.

Either way, it was still a few months in the making, and that's what scares me about Apple's update policy. Just how many bugs will be introduced this time with 10.5.3 to be with us for the next 3-4 months?

[Phrasikleia]

I really hope they fix the issue of directories taking many seconds to display their contents in the finder. (More detail here (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1427051&tstart=0).)

[TheSpaz]

Hopefully Airport and nVidia driver issues will be addressed.

What nVidia driver issues? I just received my 8800GT today in the mail, but I haven't installed it yet... What is going to happen?

[overcast]

What nVidia driver issues? I just received my 8800GT today in the mail, but I haven't installed it yet... What is going to happen?

Global Thermonuclear War.

[Shadow]

Global Thermonuclear War.

And thats if you're lucky...

[PMR]

And we should have a button to disable the startup sound for good. Whatever sound setting your mac was on when it went to sleep.

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~arcana/index.en.html

[MartiNZ]

Software Update still tells me my software is "up-to-date". I think they should fix that. "Your software has an impressive number of bugs but you'll just have to keep living with them for now."

Hopefully with 10.5.3 the original will be easier to deal with.

[aLoC]

Global Thermonuclear War.

That's only if he would like to play a game.

[aLoC]

As for 10.5.3, I just want a simple Firewall GUI that lists each port and whether it is open, closed or stealth. How hard is that? A flat list? Please!?!

[thekurgan]

What nVidia driver issues? I just received my 8800GT today in the mail, but I haven't installed it yet... What is going to happen?

I've had some kernel panic situations and a wake from sleep issue. Nvidia makes the crappiest drivers.

[MacGohil]

The unsual Safari crashes.... I hope Apple can fix Safari once for all....
Especailly the random crashing of safari on every 3rd or 4th site I visit?

And most importantly hope the default view options for finder gets fixed too. Hate changing the settings for every single finder window.

[HD303]

Stupid question but help me out. when Apple "Seeds mac OS x 10.5.3 to Developers" What exactly is going on? They send out the proposed release and the developers mess around with it to see if there are bugs?

[BWhaler]

I, for one, am looking forward to a stable Leopard. My all-Mac company has been suffering massively with Leopard. Yes, we should have waited, but Apple has never released such a crappy OS before. We will not make this mistake again.

I really hope 10.5.3 is the production ready version of Leopard. The bugs and crashes are unforgivable.

Microsoft has said that, to fix the problem of windows not going into their proper spaces, they would have to re-write a lot of their UI code. That's what they get for using a ton of non-standard programming conventions

Microsoft took forever with Office 2008, and I can't believe how bad it is. Performance is still a joke, and issues like this make Office feel like a recompile.

And this fact is the only reason why Leopard's problems have been ignored in the main stream media: Apple, for all of their quality issues--both software and hardware--still pale compared to the crap that Microsoft ships.

But this is not a position to build an empire on.

[aLoC]

They send out the proposed release and the developers mess around with it to see if there are bugs?

Yes exactly. Well, they don't send it out, they make it available for download on a special site with a password, but same thing.

And as well as testing the OS, it gives developers of third party apps such as Transmission or Delicious Library a chance to pre-test their apps with what will be the new version of OS X and make any changes if necessary for continued compatibility.

[MacFly123]

When will Office 2008/Expose/Spaces finally be fixed?

I'm not speaking in reference to Office, But I think the buggiest thing I have seen in Leopard is Spaces working properly with multi-window apps like Final Cut Studio etc.

Can't wait for the update. Seems like they are really trying to get this one right.

Apple need to put more effort into Graphite, for example in Pages' Inspector

http://mt15.quickshareit.com/share/picture10cdc2.png

ah crap. i hadn't noticed that one... now it will be all i see. :rolleyes:

Haha well, if you are going to be that picky then they need to make all the scroll bars in Leopard consistent to because right now they are NOT. lol

[HD303]

Yes exactly. Well, they don't send it out, they make it available for download on a special site with a password, but same thing.

And as well as testing the OS, it gives developers of third party apps such as Transmission or Delicious Library a chance to pre-test their apps with what will be the new version of OS X and make any changes if necessary for continued compatibility.

Thanks!

[seashellz]

im another who would rather see an integrated grey disc or retail 10.5.3 box- to me,
10.5.0 was built kinda half-assed, with a crumbling foundation-the updates are just building upon that crumbling foundation patch a hole here, patch a hole there, overwrite everywhere;

A 10.5.3 disc would have had 10.5 tweaked from within (more time) and assembled as one working unit-not a bunch of -hope-it-works patches and overwriting...piled one on top of the other
My assumption would be a stabler install (plus youre less likely to have to go through the torture of updating i-this or-i-that, QT iTunes, java, yada yada)

Also, does REPAIRING PERMISSIONS still take ages?-I can usually do it in 10 seconds on my iMac

[weckart]

Indeed !

My (and many others') major issue with excel windows freezing my Macs graphics (only solved by a hard reboot) is not listed. The freeze is caused by leopard's graphics update after 10.5.2 and has clearly been pointed out as Apple's fault. Fix this Apple, it is unacceptable.

Yup. That graphics update has caused no end of trouble. I have the Macbook Pro/Front Row problem where long file names causes OSX to lock up, requiring a cold restart to clear. I would settle for an uninstaller as I had no problems before that wretched update.


Been clearly pointed out by who? If it wasn't a MS Office developer or MacOS X developer that pointed this out, then it is pure conjecture. Bugs can go unnoticed in software for several releases due to the memory mapping, unused system calls, etc. and then are exposed after an update. It's not always correct to assume the last action (the update) caused the problem.

It's all over the apple discussion boards. The graphics update was intended to solve problems that some users of the 8600GT gpu were having with Leopard. It did the trick apparently, but unfortunately created new problems for others who were not affected before. It particularly affected Macbook Pros.

[vohdoun]

Anyone know what this is...

Fixed video corruption issue with 30″ displays, One of the fixes.

If it's related to the famous green and blue dancing pixels issue thats plagued the web for years.

[Amdahl]

A 10.5.3 disc would have had 10.5 tweaked from within (more time) and assembled as one working unit-not a bunch of -hope-it-works patches and overwriting...piled one on top of the other
My assumption would be a stabler install (plus youre less likely to have to go through the torture of updating i-this or-i-that, QT iTunes, java, yada yada)

While a refresh is always nice, Apple did immediately ship 10.5.1 to retail as soon as it was done. 10.5.1 fixed the bugs that were critical enough that they might impact a user before an update could even be done. Time Machine in particular, possibly a workaround for the APE problem, and the LoginKeychain bug that caused your password to be rejected when you started the system. Serious stuff.

Another refresh might be needed so the boot DVD can restore from a Time Capsule?

[elcid]

Where is the main posting for the 10.5.3 update? Is this it?

[xUKHCx]

Where is the main posting for the 10.5.3 update? Is this it?

Front page article here (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/28/apple-releases-mac-os-x-10-5-3/) with associated thread here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=490249)

[elcid]

Ah. Thought those usually ended up on front page. Thanks for info.