New 3G Strings in iPhone SDK Beta 6

[MacRumors]

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I addition to the earlier string (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/10/latest-iphone-2-0-firmware-has-3g-on-off-option/) giving user a method to turn on and off 3G ("Using 3G loads data faster, but decreases battery life."), Apple has added two warning strings if a user tries to turn 3G on or off during an active phone call:

- "Disabling 3G will end your phone call. Are you sure you want to disable 3G?"
- "Enabling 3G will end your phone call. Are you sure you want to enable 3G?"

Apple appears to be fine tuning the 3G experience on the upcoming 3G-capable iPhone.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/05/28/new-3g-strings-in-iphone-sdk-beta-6/)

[newyorksole]

I'm getting really anxious now... the 3G iPhone is close.. so I'm guessing the 3G iPhone will ship with 2.0 software

[Telp]

I'm getting really anxious now... the 3G iPhone is close.. so I'm guessing the 3G iPhone will ship with 2.0 software

Which either means we'll have to wait till the end of june for iPhone 2, or software 2.0 will be released early. I hope its the latter.

[Rocketman]

No comment.

[Telp]

No comment.

I think that was a comment :p

[DMann]

Wonder if 3G will enhance the quality of the call. If not, then turning it off for phone calls makes a lot of sense.

[phinnaeus]

Hooray for a new era of half-truths!

"Did you hang up on me last night?"

"No, baby, I just turned off the 3G on my iPhone!"

[Telp]

Wonder if 3G will enhance the quality of the call. If not, then turning it off for phone calls makes a lot of sense.

Does 3G have anything to do with the call quality? I wasn't aware? That would be interesting.

[zirkle2007]

I addition to the...

Not to be a stickler, but I think you meant to put "In addition to the..."

[DMann]

Hooray for a new era of half-truths!

"Did you hang up on me last night?"

"No, baby, I just turned off the 3G on my iPhone!"

Works for me......... merely claiming a loss or dropped signal was getting old.

[wakerider017]

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Apple appears to be fine turning the 3G experience on the upcoming 3G-capable iPhone.



I think you mean fine tuning.

[Telp]

Works for me......... merely claiming a loss or dropped signal was getting old.

Although im guessing most of the time its probably true...:rolleyes:

[DMann]

Although im guessing most of the time its probably true...:rolleyes:

And so it goes, in a world of half-truths.

[bacaramac]

Which either means we'll have to wait till the end of june for iPhone 2, or software 2.0 will be released early. I hope its the latter.

Or, as they are updating 1.1.5 they are doing code merge to ensure 2.0 is built on the latest code base and being tested.

[BeyondtheTech]

Remember that 3G supports simultaneous voice and data (just like how Jobs was surfing on Wi-Fi and talking on the phone), whereas EDGE is one or the other. So, it makes sense that switching modes could have to reset the communication.

[bacaramac]

Remember that 3G supports simultaneous voice and data (just like how Jobs was surfing on Wi-Fi and talking on the phone), whereas EDGE is one or the other. So, it makes sense that switching modes could have to reset the communication.

I would think it has to bounce the H/W or something because as with current 3G you can be talking on the phone and then switch to Edge and it doesn't impact the call.

[bushman1]

Apple appears to be fine turning the 3G experience on the upcoming 3G-capable iPhone.
so they are fine turning it?????
I think you mean fine tuning it!!!!!!!
please proofread

[Telp]

Apple appears to be fine turning the 3G experience on the upcoming 3G-capable iPhone.
so they are fine turning it?????
I think you mean fine tuning it!!!!!!!
please proofread

He was just so excited about this story. The mistake is a simple one and not a big deal. You don't have to be so attacking, especially when that mistake was already brought up.

[piecinitup]

Apple appears to be fine turning the 3G experience on the upcoming 3G-capable iPhone.
so they are fine turning it?????
I think you mean fine tuning it!!!!!!!
please proofread

Thanks Professor

[zephead]

I thought someone would've asked this already, but...

Why would someone want to fiddle with their 3G being on/off in the middle of a phone call? :confused:

[vandy1997]

I don't think that anybody would do it ever. Maybe just for kicks of if they're bored. Apple just put this in there in the event that somebody is about to win $5 million if he gives the right answer over the phone and he knows the right answer and is about to say it, but, with all of the excitement flips the 3G button and hangs up, thereby losing the $5 million because somebody else calls in and provides the correct answer. That person would probably sue Apple because he was not informed of the ramifications that flipping the switch would have on his life. So, by providing this notice, any idiot will know that flipping the switch will hang up the call, and Apple will not be sued because the idiot received a warning. I can't think of another scenario.

[junkmailbonzai]

Hooray for a new era of half-truths!

"Did you hang up on me last night?"

"No, baby, I just turned off the 3G on my iPhone!"

Absolutely funniest thing I have seen yet on macrumors!
:D:D;);):p:p:o:o:):):rolleyes::rolleyes::cool::cool:

[Santa Rosa]

Wonder if 3G will enhance the quality of the call. If not, then turning it off for phone calls makes a lot of sense.

Dont quote me on it, but I did read somewhere that it does increase the quality of calls. Something to do with the bandwidth it supplies, which enables it to double the rate of transfer hence upping the quality.

I know that sounds pretty woolie but I cant find where I read that now and thats the best I could remember!!!

[captain kaos]

3g is a data connection so it doesn't give you better call quality. When you switch 3g on/off it does reset the phones connection to the network, so this thread rumor is true, and for me is nothing new, just par for the course with 3g.

What i find a bit strange is that for me to turn off 3g on my SEw880 its squirilled away in the menu, so i cant see why you'd be in there during a call.......unless :apple: is just covering itself from people complaining about dropped calls.......or the 3g on/off is going to be put somewhere very accessable?

Oh well, how many days is it now! :D:D:D:D:D

[johnnyjibbs]

We all know it's coming. Apple knows we all know it's coming. So it's no suprise that they are not too fussed about the odd 3G reference or two in the SDK. They know sites like us will feast on any bit of info we get, further fuelling excitement and rumour. It's not like we're going to be cannibilising sales of the existing iPhone :D

I wonder if they can deliver on the expectations. I'm not sure whether to buy my shares in Apple now or wait until June 10th in case they dive...

[cdd543]

3g is voice and data and yes it have have better call quality. Capacity is improved along with better voice codecs with improved background noise suppression compared to EDGE.

[sandman42]

3g is a data connection so it doesn't give you better call quality.

Don't forget that your call is also a data connection. Are you sure that they don't use 3G for voice data too? I don't know that they do, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

[Whtddhesay]

So you're telling me that a 3G iPhone is coming out? First I've heard.

[Zadillo]

3g is a data connection so it doesn't give you better call quality. When you switch 3g on/off it does reset the phones connection to the network, so this thread rumor is true, and for me is nothing new, just par for the course with 3g.

What i find a bit strange is that for me to turn off 3g on my SEw880 its squirilled away in the menu, so i cant see why you'd be in there during a call.......unless :apple: is just covering itself from people complaining about dropped calls.......or the 3g on/off is going to be put somewhere very accessable?

Oh well, how many days is it now! :D:D:D:D:D

It does look like 3G on/off is going to be fairly easily accessible - we've already seen the leaked settings screenshots with the 3G on/off option, so it doesn't look to be really buried anywhere.

It does seem good that Apple is making it fairly easy though - when I briefly owned my AT&T Tilt, one of the big things I noticed on the forums was people looking for hacks to give them control to turn off the 3G to extend battery life, but it wasn't something that could easily be done by default otherwise.

[jf8]

WCDMA 3G (what will be used on the iPhone) does carry voice and data. It can even do both at the same time (unlike most EDGE devices, which will suspend data sessions during voice calls.)

EV-DO (used by Verizon, Sprint PCS) is data-only and operates as an overlay to a 1xRTT voice (and slower data) network.

[Elsewhere]

The iPhone Patent Application (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=20080055269.PGNR.&OS=DN/20080055269&RS=DN/20080055269) has been found! (#20080055269)

You can view the text of the application by clicking the link above. If you want to see all of the diagrams you will need to buy a copy from the patent office ($6.00 USD)

Figure 1B (Sheet 2 of 302) clearly shows a GPS module, a front-facing "Optical Sensor" a Video Conferencing Application, a Blogging Application, and an Instant Messaging Module (among several other interesting items) :cool:


Image Link #1 (http://aiw2.uspto.gov:80/.DImg?Docid=us20080055269ki&PageNum=2&IDKey=DB4CBA4A6D72&ImgFormat=tif) (Not sure if this will work)
Image Link #2 (http://aiw2.uspto.gov:80/.DImg?Docid=us20080055269ki&PageNum=3&IDKey=DB4CBA4A6D72&ImgFormat=tif)

[DMann]

[QUOTE=Elsewhere;5506711]The iPhone Patent Application (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=20080055269.PGNR.&OS=DN/20080055269&RS=DN/20080055269) has been found! (#20080055269)

You can view the text of the application by clicking the link above. If you want to see all of the diagrams you will need to buy a copy from the patent office ($6.00 USD)

Figure 1B (Sheet 2 of 302) clearly shows a GPS module, a front-facing "Optical Sensor" a Video Conferencing Application, a Blogging Application, and an Instant Messaging Module (among several other interesting items) :cool:

Insanely awesome, and Monday will soon be here ..........

[twist2b]

I think there is a reason for alerting the switch.

Also you can not get disconncted by accident when talking since touch turns off when it sences it at your ear.

[kdarling]

The iPhone Patent Application (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=20080055269.PGNR.&OS=DN/20080055269&RS=DN/20080055269) has been found! (#20080055269)

You can view the text of the application by clicking the link above. If you want to see all of the diagrams you will need to buy a copy from the patent office ($6.00 USD)

I can see all the images on my laptop, using the free TIFF viewer I downloaded long ago for viewing patent apps at the USPTO.

TIFF Viewers (http://www.uspto.gov/web/menu/plugins/tiff.htm)

[sandman42]

Ironically, Apple's own patent viewer: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/math_science/patentdownloader.html

Download the app, install and run it. Select the US icon, then search for published patent (not issued patent) number 20080055269.

[FireFish]

I'm really confused about the 3G rumors relating to iPhone 2.0 Beta 6. (5A308).

I'm a member of the iPhone OS Development Program & have been running each beta 2-6.

I installed 6 within 1 hour of it's release.

THERE IS NO PLACE ANYWHERE IN IPHONE OS 2.0 BETA 6 BUILD 5A308 THAT SAYS OR EVEN HINTS TO 3G.

This rumor was started by a laughing guy, a mouse and PhotoShop.

Don't believe me? Check out the attachment screenshots posted.

Location Services is the only immediately new visible option added for Geotagging in 2.0 Beta 6.

OPEN CLARIFICATION: Remember that iPhone 2.0 Beta Firmware is said to be intended for current iphones, not for or only for second generation / 3G iPhones.

[Zadillo]

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I am trying to find a place to buy just the ten that I need. Has anyone ever bought pokemon characters from this LDU website? Oh yeah, here is a link to the page with all the pokemons http://www.liangdianup.com/pokemons_1.htm

Any ideas please post and let me know :)

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[posterusvolucri]

...

[Zadillo]

I'm really confused about the 3G rumors relating to iPhone 2.0 Beta 6. (5A308).

I'm a member of the iPhone OS Development Program & have been running each beta 2-6.

I installed 6 within 1 hour of it's release.

THERE IS NO PLACE ANYWHERE IN IPHONE OS 2.0 BETA 6 BUILD 5A308 THAT SAYS OR EVEN HINTS TO 3G.

This rumor was started by a laughing guy, a mouse and PhotoShop.

Don't believe me? Check out the attachment screenshots posted.

Location Services is the only immediately new visible option added for Geotagging in 2.0 Beta 6.

Have you considered that the 3G settings only show up when running on an iPhone with 3G hardware? Either way, this is about strings found in the firmware, not necessarily anything that's going to show up in a screenshot yet.

It's hardly relevant anyway; every other sign points to 3G in the new iPhone. We've already seen companies announcing they will be offering the iPhone, including ones that are 3G-only networks.

Do you honestly believe Apple is going to introduce a new iPhone which will still be EDGE-only?

-Zadillo

[three]

I can't wait to see this 3G iPhone. =]

[FireFish]

Have you considered that the 3G settings only show up when running on an iPhone with 3G hardware? Either way, this is about strings found in the firmware, not necessarily anything that's going to show up in a screenshot yet.

It's hardly relevant anyway; every other sign points to 3G in the new iPhone. We've already seen companies announcing they will be offering the iPhone, including ones that are 3G-only networks.

Do you honestly believe Apple is going to introduce a new iPhone which will still be EDGE-only?

-Zadillo
I never said anything of that regard at all; The next generation iPhone has openly been referred to as the 3G iPhone by Executives involved.

BUT; there's a big difference between the iPhone 2.0 Software in Beta now, which will be released for the first generation iphones that run on current hardware configurations vs. the firmware which the 3G will have loaded on it, which isn't in any open Beta whatsoever.

Being that no one can get an accurate picture of the unit, I highly doubt that the screenshots showing the 3G setting are actually from a 3G iPhone.

[Zadillo]

I never said anything of that regard at all; The next generation iPhone has openly been referred to as the 3G iPhone by Executives involved.

BUT; there's a big difference between the iPhone 2.0 Software in Beta now, which will be released for the first generation iphones that run on current hardware configurations vs. the firmware which the 3G will have loaded on it, which isn't in any open Beta whatsoever.

Being that no one can get an accurate picture of the unit, I highly doubt that the screenshots showing the 3G setting are actually from a 3G iPhone.

I see; so you're just talking about the screenshots; that's a fair point.

What struck me as odd is that you said you were confused about the 3G rumors relating to the iPhone 2.0 firmware beta 6, because it doesn't seem like there is anything that confusing about it - people have already found and identified the clear 3G references in strings in this firmware.

-Zadillo

[istealth]

I am soo excited for the 3G iphone but I can't get it till next March (Darn sprint contract).. who knows maybe there will be a newer one out by then.....?

[Zadillo]

I am soo excited for the 3G iphone but I can't get it till next March (Darn sprint contract).. who knows maybe there will be a newer one out by then.....?

For what it's worth, Sprint has said they will be joining the other carriers in offering prorated early termination fees (i.e. where the closer you are to the end of your contract, the less you will have to pay in early termination fees). I don't think they've officially announced when they will start this yet, but I think it's supposed to be soon. It could mean that if you do decide to break your Sprint contract early, you might not have to pay the full price.

-Zadillo

[rssfed23]

What I don't understand is the inability for (what should be) one of the most technically able phones out there to maintain a connection while switching from 2G to 3G and vice versa - AFAIK most other 3G phones can do this perfectly well without dropping a call connection

problems with handover from UMTS to GSM, connections being dropped or handovers only possible in one direction (UMTS → GSM) with the handset only changing back to UMTS after hanging up, even if UMTS coverage returns—in most networks around the world this is no longer an issue
Wiki LInk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System#Problems_and_issues)

[Zadillo]

What I don't understand is the inability for (what should be) one of the most technically able phones out there to maintain a connection while switching from 2G to 3G and vice versa - AFAIK most other 3G phones can do this perfectly well without dropping a call connection


Wiki LInk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System#Problems_and_issues)

There are other phones that have this problem; check the forums for the 3G AT&T Tilt, for example. Many people report experiencing dropped call problems, and the culprit seems to be switching from 3G to EDGE-only coverage.

You said that most other 3G iPhones can do this perfectly well without dropping a call connection, but I've heard this is a common issue (at least perhaps in the US), since they all experience that brief data interruption when switching bandwidth from EDGE to 3G and back.

-Zadillo

[jf8]

I can handoff from 3G->2G voice without a problem on my phone (Motorola Q9h). I can handoff from 3G->2G data as well, but this is to be expected: data sessions can be interrupted.

3G could / should provide somewhat better voice quality: occasional clicking/beeping noises while making a call while in motion should go away (due to faster handoffs) and interruptions in signal should be less noticeable, since the phone can receive signals from multiple cells at once. AT&T often uses lower-bandwidth codecs on GSM phones, but the additional bandwidth should make it more likely that the higher-bandwidth codecs of GSM are used, if not the higher-quality wideband codecs that are supported with 3g.

I have been using 3G since November 2006. For the first month or two, calls would often drop if they were started in 3G, and the phone would almost always switch to 2G if there was 1-2 bars of 3G signal. Nothing changed on my phone, so it seems like the network was improved.

These strings probably mean that disabling/enabling 3G will reset the radio, which will end an active call. This is how it works on the other 3G phones I have used; switching the mode between GSM/EDGE only, GSM/3G, or 3G only has always resulted in a temporary loss of all connectivity for a few seconds.

[ipodtouch2008]

the phone should use egde normally and automatically turn on 3g for webapps

[DiamondMac]

the phone should use egde normally and automatically turn on 3g for webapps

Oh goodness no, I need the 3G for normal use

It is WHY I am getting the new iPhone. I need 3G service in the city when I can't get to a WiFi area

My edge is just ridiculously slow.

[Zadillo]

Oh goodness no, I need the 3G for normal use

It is WHY I am getting the new iPhone. I need 3G service in the city when I can't get to a WiFi area

My edge is just ridiculously slow.

I kind of think that's his suggestion; that 3G should only be used when required, and fall back to EDGE for less intensive things (i.e. checking for new mail, etc.). I've seen other people suggest that as well (use 3G for web browsing, youtube, etc. but otherwise fall back to EDGE to conserve power).

-Zadillo

[DiamondMac]

Then he is completely correct :D

[ipodtouch2008]

Yes this is exactly what I was saying. Therefore conserving power while still giving you the speed when you need it. Saves you going to the menu a switching it on before browsing the web or watching youtube.

(Settings Page)
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OPTIONS:

Enable 3G: ON | OFF | WHEN USING APPS THAT USE THE WEB | SELECTIVE APPS

SELECTIVE APPS:

SAFARI: ON | OFF
YOUTUBE: ON | OFF
MAIL: ON | OFF
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Andrew

[Zadillo]

Yes this is exactly what I was saying. Therefore conserving power while still giving you the speed when you need it. Saves you going to the menu a switching it on before browsing the web or watching youtube.

(Settings Page)
------------------
OPTIONS:

Enable 3G: ON | OFF | WHEN USING APPS THAT USE THE WEB | SELECTIVE APPS

SELECTIVE APPS:

SAFARI: ON | OFF
YOUTUBE: ON | OFF
MAIL: ON | OFF
--------------------
Andrew

It's an interesting idea, but I doubt we'd see something like this.

We won't know until it comes out, but I think that generally speaking the more modern hardware is designed to be a bit more power efficient anyway (the story about the recent firmware leak mentioned support for UMTS Power Conservation, for example); I suspect that they are factoring these general issues into the overall hardware and software itself to primarily ensure that they go into some sort of power saving mode when possible.

The ultimate proof will of course come when these new iPhones hit the streets and we can see for ourselves what they do to deal with battery life.

-Zadillo

[jf8]

Using 3G all the time has significant benefits if you are using push email, or you make calls while in motion, etc.