3G iPhone: Thinner, Thicker, or Both?

[MacRumors]

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Today, a rumor about (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/02/3g-thinner-better-battery-rumors-and-more/) a 22% thinner 3G iPhone with GPS priced at $200 hit the Mac web. In looking back, however, this is not the first time we've heard this exact set of specs. Scott Mortiz first reported (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/04/29/atandt-to-provide-200-subsidy-on-3g-iphone/) on this on April 29th. At the time, he described a $200 subsidy from AT&T for the 3G iPhone. It would come in at 8GB and 16GB sizes at $399 and $499, but after a $200 subsidy, these prices would fall to $199 (8GB) and $299 (16GB).

Moritz also specifically says that the new iPhone will be 2.5mm thinner than the current iPhone, which happens to work out to 22% thinner (2.5mm/11.6mm), corresponding nicely to Kahney's (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/02/3g-thinner-better-battery-rumors-and-more/) 22% thinner figure. Kahney and Moritz diverge on the capacity of the iPhone, however, as Kahney claims 16GB and 32GB sizes for the new iPhone. Regardless, this paints a picture of the following possible "thin iPhone":

Thin iPhone
- $199 (8GB or 16GB), $299 (16GB or 32GB), possibly subsidized by AT&T
- 3G, GPS, 22% thinner
- Possible longer battery

However, it's also clear that there's another set of rumors circulating which are also consistent with each other. The so-called "thick iPhone" rumor started at Engadget (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/04/25/3g-iphone-to-include-gps-be-only-slightly-thicker/) and depicted in the XSKN case designs (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/19/3g-iphone-case-revealed/).

Thick iPhone
- 3G, GPS, slightly thicker
- Glossy back, rounded back
- Non-recessed headphone jack, additional sensor?

Add in recent whispers (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/31/3g-iphone-specs-and-prices/) of high end pricing of the 16GB ($499) and 32GB ($699) models, and this introduces the possibility that these rumors together could represent a range of iPhone models.

Both?
- $399 (8GB), $499 (16GB), $699 (32GB) retail prices
- Possible $200 subsidy bringing prices to $199 (8GB), $299 (16GB), $499 (32GB)
- 3GB, GPS, ? Video Conferencing
- Low capacity models thinner, high capacity models thicker

Of course, alternatively, one or none of these rumors could be true. As we've said before, Apple has been known to purposefully spread misinformation in order to confuse the rumor sites. Official announcements are expected next week during the Worldwide Developer Conference keynote which takes place on Monday, June 9th, 2008.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/02/3g-iphone-thinner-thicker-or-both/)

[Eidorian]

I'm looking at you $199 version. It's a little baffling on the size though...

[naroola]

Crap! Now I'll have to buy 2, one thin and one thick. :confused:

[berkleeboy210]

I just want to wake up tomorrow, and have it be June 9th. All these rumors are getting crazy.

[aswitcher]

Yeah its looking good for rumours - assuming the same source isn't coming from multiple sites.

[Chundles]

Regular phone is thinner.

Phone + add-on GPS/Battery unit is thicker.

This is 100% true and there will be no further discussion on the subject.
:D

[berkleeboy210]

Another thing... Has anyone heard any mumblings of a concrete ship date?

I have my current iPhone for sale on eBay now. I would hate to be without a phone for a month.

i would guess they want them for sale asap considering the current models havent' been available through apple for a bit.

[icy-macpro]

This is getting way to wack

Im just going to wait till june 9th, i love my iphone anyways :) 16gb!

if its really a beauty, ill get myself one. with an air.
ughh too many rumors.

THICKER? & THIN?

this aint crackers.

[ltldrummerboy]

If this is from Apple, they're doing a good job of confusing us. "I didn't understand a word you just said."

[syklee26]

ok so here is what's going on:

$199 - iPhone 8GB with 3G (no GPS)

$299 - iPhone 16GB with 3G (no GPS)

$399 - iPhone 8GB with 3G AND GPS

$499 - iPhone 16GB with 3G AND GPS

Me thinks the inclusion of GPS will make the iPhone fatter to accommodate the battery to withstand the rapid drainage from GPS activation. Technology has advanced enough for 1 year to reduce the thickness of iPhone with 3G but more battery will be needed for GPS.

[bacaramac]

Anyone from MR going to post that WWDC counter. Need to keep fueling the hype around WWDC. I downloaded the widget for my dashboard (the only one that is correct date and time). Can't wait, but I know that I will have to the biggest and best one. Sign me up for the thick (like em big:D) 3G, GPS and Video Conference version.

[berkleeboy210]

ok so here is what's going on:

$199 - iPhone 8GB with 3G (no GPS)

$299 - iPhone 16GB with 3G (no GPS)

$399 - iPhone 8GB with 3G AND GPS

$499 - iPhone 16GB with 3G AND GPS

Me thinks the inclusion of GPS will make the iPhone fatter to accommodate the battery to withstand the rapid drainage from GPS activation. Technology has advanced enough for 1 year to reduce the thickness of iPhone with 3G but more battery will be needed for GPS.

I think you are right on except the $399 will be 16gb and $499 will be 32gb

[MacTheSpoon]

Phew, what a mystery. I am so looking forward to finding out the truth next week.

And to buying a new, 3G iPhone!

[gusapple]

Regular phone is thinner.

Phone + add-on GPS/Battery unit is thicker.

This is 100% true and there will be no further discussion on the subject.
:D

The problem with that is that Apple looses the wow factor if they have it be external. I mean, if you think about every major update to the iPod, there is always something there that gives it something for Jobs to say "Boom" about. It just isn't "Boom"-looking. Here, I'll explain:

I mean, if you think about it, we have the iPod, which wasn't that great of a device, then the second gen iPod, which brought in heat sensors, then third gen iPod and the click wheel. Then, one day in September of 2005, we had our brains blown out by the iPod Nano. This thing was smaller than a pencil!

Then, in 2007, Steve brought out the shoe-in for the invention of the year, the iPhone. Now, while the iPhone cannot have much more wow packed into it, we must remember that if Steve Jobs wants something, that he'll get it. If he wants it smaller and more powerful, then the man gets it.

[Mad Mac Maniac]

I REALLY doubt there will be 2 sizes of iPhones without a SUBSTANTIAL difference of quality. I really don't think the addition of gps would alter the size so dramatically.

I couldn't imagine apple making 2 sizes of iphones anyways (without making one an uber tiny nano-like phone) so I don't think that'll happen. But IF it does the big one will have gps, and video chat, and better camera, and perhaps even more (exclusivly 3g?), leaving a thin basic version of the iphone for $200.

Too many rumors! But I am 95% sure they will all be the same size. It'd be much simpler to make cases and cause less overall confusion. Apple is all about keeping things simple for the consumer.

[stagi]

a $200 subsidy would be sweet. that way when my current iphone sells on ebay for $400 I can buy the new one for 1/2 that and get a apple tv for just a little extra, I hope that comes true :)

[CWallace]

Well the MacBook Air put style over substance, so why not do it with the iPhone? :D

Seriously, breaking the iPhone market into two levels makes some sense, as Apple does that with many of their product lines. So we'd have a "value line" without all the bells and whistles, but a thinner form factor and lower price and a "pro line" with all the goodies, but a thicker form factor to accommodate them.

So could we see an "iPhone" and "iPhone Pro"?

And I hope the 32GB model is $499, as well. Preferably before any discounts. ;)

[arn]

I REALLY doubt there will be 2 sizes of iPhones without a SUBSTANTIAL difference of quality. I really don't think the addition of gps would alter the size so dramatically.

I couldn't imagine apple making 2 sizes of iphones anyways (without making one an uber tiny nano-like phone) so I don't think that'll happen.

The higher capacity iPod Classic and lower capacity iPod Classic have been different thicknesses for a long time.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/ipod_classic?mco=MTE2NTc

arn

[deannnnn]

Arn, man, you are on top of this!
I love this site =)

[D 5]

Phone tapping into different antennas for better reception would be nice...

[tirerim]

I REALLY doubt there will be 2 sizes of iPhones without a SUBSTANTIAL difference of quality. I really don't think the addition of gps would alter the size so dramatically.

I couldn't imagine apple making 2 sizes of iphones anyways (without making one an uber tiny nano-like phone) so I don't think that'll happen. But IF it does the big one will have gps, and video chat, and better camera, and perhaps even more (exclusivly 3g?), leaving a thin basic version of the iphone for $200.

Too many rumors! But I am 95% sure they will all be the same size. It'd be much simpler to make cases and cause less overall confusion. Apple is all about keeping things simple for the consumer.

They still have different thicknesses for the different sizes of the iPod Classic (to accomodate the different hard drive sizes); it wouldn't shock me at all if they had different thicknesses for the iPhone, too.

[Chundles]

The problem with that is that Apple looses the wow factor if they have it be external. I mean, if you think about every major update to the iPod, there is always something there that gives it something for Jobs to say "Boom" about. It just isn't "Boom"-looking. Here, I'll explain:

I mean, if you think about it, we have the iPod, which wasn't that great of a device, then the second gen iPod, which brought in heat sensors, then third gen iPod and the click wheel. Then, one day in September of 2005, we had our brains blown out by the iPod Nano. This thing was smaller than a pencil!

Then, in 2007, Steve brought out the shoe-in for the invention of the year, the iPhone. Now, while the iPhone cannot have much more wow packed into it, we must remember that if Steve Jobs wants something, that he'll get it. If he wants it smaller and more powerful, then the man gets it.

Joke, Joyce. A joke.

[alphaod]

It will be neither.

Phone tapping into different antennas for better reception would be nice...

Are you talking about an ad-hoc cellular network?

[iceman1234]

Apple is usually not the type of company to not include all of their cutting edge features in their newest products (except for the macbook air without a cd drive:D ) personally i don't believe in the ":apple:iPhone Air"

[phinnaeus]

I like it thick.

[radiogod69]

I REALLY doubt there will be 2 sizes of iPhones without a SUBSTANTIAL difference of quality. I really don't think the addition of gps would alter the size so dramatically.

I couldn't imagine apple making 2 sizes of iphones anyways (without making one an uber tiny nano-like phone) so I don't think that'll happen. But IF it does the big one will have gps, and video chat, and better camera, and perhaps even more (exclusivly 3g?), leaving a thin basic version of the iphone for $200.

Too many rumors! But I am 95% sure they will all be the same size. It'd be much simpler to make cases and cause less overall confusion. Apple is all about keeping things simple for the consumer.

I agree, two different sizes would be too confusing for the typical apple consumer. Just let it be one size fits all!

[naroola]

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What would be funny is if a new iPhone is not announced on June 9. :)

[wakerider017]

The $200 subsidy is a-ok by me :)

[xbigman15x]

Ok, here is a theory about the battery life. Perhaps it is true that the iphone will have a better battery life, but that is only if you have 3G and GPS off. That makes total sense to me.

As for the different models:

I seriously doubt they will introduce 4 models. The only way i can see 3 models if the capacity of them is 8GB, 16GB and 32GB. I can easily see them eliminating the 8GB because it will give Apple some good talking points. Aside from all the innovations they made in the previous version, but if Apple can say that the iphone comes with at least 16GB which is more than nearly all the phones on the market that sets them apart fast. It would be a great talking point. Also GPS and 3G will be included in all the versions because this phone isn't just about the U.S. it is also all the other countries who for the most part rely on 3G i.e. Europe. GPS is becoming a standard feature on all RIM phones these days and if they are aiming to cut into their market as the subsidies suggest then GPS is a must in all models, plus it seems fitting since the current iphone already employs pseudo GPS, why not kick it up a notch? It makes complete sense that they would go ahead and do that. As for size, based upon my previous assumptions above i feel the size of the iphone will in fact be 22% thinner. This gives Apple yet another talking point as they say it is as thin if not thinner than it's major competitors and that it is that thin still packing all of these capabilities, which would be quite an accomplishment. It would be similar to the introduction of the MBA where SJ was raving about how they nearly packed all that regular notebooks have in to an incredibly thin package. Thinnovation is the way of Apple recently, and it seems fitting they should employ the same in the iphone. I even expect the new macbooks to see a cut in size as well. As for prices i am thinking $399 for 16GB and $499 for 32GB. perhaps 8GB $150?...i don't know about that one.

[SandynJosh]

I'm holding out for the swizzle-stick iPhone.

[dawnrazor]

Thick, thin - who cares! Does no one else find it interesting that iPhone mobile providers are being announced in numerous territories world wide that previously did not have legal iPhone markets.

June 9th will not only see the release of the next gen 3G iPhone, but I'm guessing it will be followed with a world wide roll out from all the mobile providers. This will be the global launch of the iPhone!

I just hope apple has manufactured enough units, 'cus demand is going to be epic.

[zeabtle]

Awesome, I like Thinner

[inkswamp]

I bet the people at HP are happy about the thinner iPhone. It'll cut cake better than the MacBook Air. :rolleyes:

[Peace]

All new iPhones will have GPS. The difference in size is due to batteries. The "thick" ones will be marketed toward the younger more gamer types requiring more battery power. The thinner , longer battery life ones will be geared toward the enterprise crowd who won't be interested in the gaming part thus allowing for a smaller battery footprint yet longer life.

[lagunamac]

Would it seem that AT&T offers a $200 subsidy only if the iPhone were to be unlocked or available from other carriers? If the iPhone can only be used at AT&T, and is subsidized, then the retail price is meaningless, and the iPhone is instantly "devalued" to the subsidy price. I mean, why pay, let's say $399 or $499 retail, for a phone that can't be used anywhere? If discounting of an Apple product, in this case, every Apple iPhone sold in the U.S., were to happen, the biggest news on June 9 won't be the iPhone, it will be that the existing branding and marketing strategy of Apple -- that of never discounting products below the established retail price -- has been forever altered.

[know-it-all5]

The higher capacity iPod Classic and lower capacity iPod Classic have been different thicknesses for a long time.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/ipod_classic?mco=MTE2NTc

arn

Yeah, but that was to accommodate a bigger hard drive. Would a 16gb flash chip have a significant size difference to a 8gb flash chip?

and also, apple has a history of leaving out things to accommodate size and battery life, so I'm confident that if gps or 3g or anything else had any noticeable effect on that (they obviously burn battery life, but maybe there are better, more modern batteries), then jobs might not include it. that being said, i think the technology is there to have an iphone of at largest, the same size as the current model, with 3g and gps. I doubt the battery will be any better than it is now, but will be comparable.

[stephenli]

how about the low-end one being a redesigned 2G, samller, super ultra thin
while 3G being more or less same size as the current one?

[jmpmntwnty3]

If the Samsung Blackjack II can have GPS, why can't the iPhone? The iPhone and the Blackjack are basically about the same size. I put my Blackjack I up to my friend's iPhone, and they are the same size in thickness, length, and width.

[arn]

Yeah, but that was to accommodate a bigger hard drive. Would a 16gb flash chip have a significant size difference to a 8gb flash chip?


well, perhaps not. But the 32GB iPod Touch uses two 16GB chips rather than one 32GB chip... so it could simply be the addition of a 2nd 16GB chip, which would take up more space.

arn

[nintyuser]

All this talk of wanting "thickness" and "thiness" makes me think of sir-mix-a-lot's, baby got back song.

BUT!! with an iphone twist to the lyrics. :D

Even the thread title says it all: 3Giphone: Thinner, Thicker or Both?

I want all the thickness Jobs and co. will fit into this mama. This Big Mama of OS X touch technology.

[SirOmega]

I just want to wake up tomorrow, and have it be June 9th. All these rumors are getting crazy.

That reminds me of the SouthPark with Cartman and the Wii. At least the democratic primary is over tomrrow - there will be one less thing to be thinking about..

I have a hard time thinking they'd have two seperate designs, the thickness thing is understandable - maybe the battery is a bit bigger for better life, but I would expect a 32GB iPhone to be $599 and no higher. There is a risk however that with subsidies, Apple will increase their prices to compensate, a $699 32GB iPhone looks "reasonable" at 499, but its tough to justify 2.5x the price when compared to a $199 8GB phone.

I've mentioned it before, if Apple cuts the base price (forget about subsidies for a minute) they'll need to cut the price of the Touch. IMO, I wouldnt be surprised if we see the 8GB touch to go to 250, and the others get $100 cuts when the iPhone is introduced next week.

[thaitillidie]

Well alrighty then. Safe to say with this nicely consolidated, finely-written and thoroughly researched rumor we have OFFICIALLY exhausted every possible configuration of iPhone v2. Surely we've covered all bases such that NOTHING will surprise us come June 9, right? And yanno it kinda downgrades my anticipation and excitement over the unveiling, so instead of being, like, "Wow!," on that day I'll just let loose a subdued, "Oh yeah, ok, that's exactly how such 'n such on macrumors.com said it would be...," and, quite frankly, feeling this way is gonna suck!

So if ya don't mind, Mr. Site owner/editor, can you just like disable your website until June 9?? Because there really truly isn't anything else left to reveal. Seriously.

[pavyaz19]

All of this started to dawn on me with the rumor of the $199 phone a couple days ago... and now this is all sounding pretty legit that there will be two versions.

It just seems LUDICROUS for me to buy a thicker iPhone as my 2nd model... But the features, oh boy do I love features.

Why must apple give us the gift of free will... two iphones to choose from??? Apple hath taketh away iPhone 1... Why must apple giveth iphone2a and iphone2b. Please Steve, tell me which to buy, I do not want a choiceth.

[inkswamp]

Well alrighty then. Safe to say with this nicely consolidated, finely-written and thoroughly researched rumor we have OFFICIALLY exhausted every possible configuration of iPhone v2. Surely we've covered all bases such that NOTHING will surprise us come June 9, right? And yanno it kinda downgrades my anticipation and excitement over the unveiling, so instead of being, like, "Wow!," on that day I'll just let loose a subdued, "Oh yeah, ok, that's exactly how such 'n such on macrumors.com said it would be...," and, quite frankly, feeling this way is gonna suck!

So if ya don't mind, Mr. Site owner/editor, can you just like disable your website until June 9?? Because there really truly isn't anything else left to reveal. Seriously.

Oh come on. Where's the fun in that attitude?

For as often as the rumor sites get things right, they just as often completely miss the big things and frequently get enough details wrong to where it's still a surprise. I'm still anticipating a big surprise to explain all the conflicting Mac Mini is dead/revamped/renamed/redesigned rumors. I think there's something in all that that isn't yet fully explained.

I'm assuming you didn't frequent rumors sites in the Think Secret era. Think Secret was pretty much stealing Steve's thunder on everything--and occasionally being sued for it too.

[maddogeco]

I think where all missing 2 things
Will in be 3g or HSPDA or both I will have 3G but HSPDA would rock. Yes we have that in Australia pity its run by telstra
Secondly will it have wireless sync with my mac, I really hate cables

Ill mention a 3rd colour face plates that are replaceable and therefore you could have user replaceable batterys??

[retroneo]

The defining component for the thickness of the phone is the camera module.

The thinnest phone with 5 megapixels, autofocus and a flash is 11.5mm. (It also has a second camera, a touch screen and HSDPA is in there too - and it has plenty of room for extras and a bigger battery) - Samsung F480 and F490

If they are releasing a 9mm version, then it's most likely a 3 megapixel one.

They could release one version with a low end camera and one with a high end camera that's thicker.

Yes we have that in Australia pity its run by telstra

All four of our 3G networks in Australia have HSDPA and have had it for a long time. Optus and Vodafone have officially announced the iPhone for the (2100MHz coverage area of) their HSDPA networks. The device is likely to be 850/2100MHz dual band. Don't count on it being 900MHz HSDPA as we're a couple of years ahead of Europe and Asia in rolling it out.

Of course the iPhone will have 3G/HSDPA, no non-US network would want to strain their 2G network with this device, or invest more in their old 2G network to expand its capacity. There is sooo much spare capacity on the 3G networks and little on the 2G ones. Remember the work AT&T put into their EDGE network pre launch just for the iPhone??

[spaceballl]

I'm such a whore - it could be thicker or thinner - and either way i'll buy it

[maddogeco]

All four of our 3G networks in Australia have HSDPA and have had it for a long time.

i didnt know that i thought telstra was it for hspda. but they defiantly have the biggest coverage and fastest. which is a bugger for me im in the bush a fair bit of the time and have no vodafone coverage. but i hear optus is putting a load more stations in to cover near home so lets hope their network is quick

[cornfedgrowth]

So could we see an "iPhone" and "iPhone Pro"?


This is actually an interesting idea... Maybe a way to break into the Enterprise market? Perhaps apple will give the 'Pro' version the ability to more easily interface with corporate e-mail system securely as well as differences in hardware. I don't think a differentiated iPhone line is out of the question. iPods have been in two separate lines since the Mini... The Minis and Nanos for the most part, were differentiated from their traditional iPod counterparts by hardware differences, i.e. storage size. The question is how will the iPhones be differentiated? It could be based on form factor, but touch capabilities require a pretty good sized screen and I can't imagine apple shrinking it down or expanding it too much. Storage could differentiate it, but since both versions would be on flash chips, it doesn't make as much difference as iPod vs. Nano differences. I guess this leads me to think that the software for the two versions could be different.

I think there are just too many possibilities... we'll just have to wait and see!

[Chundles]

i didnt know that i thought telstra was it for hspda. but they defiantly have the biggest coverage and fastest. which is a bugger for me im in the bush a fair bit of the time and have no vodafone coverage. but i hear optus is putting a load more stations in to cover near home so lets hope their network is quick

They use an 850MHz network which is the reason for the extra range - those long wavelengths travel much further. Most of the others are on 1900MHz or 2100MHz.

Optus is currently spending a crapload to bring a NextG competitor style network covering 98%+ of the population at 900MHz and at the speeds we will expect from a high speed 3G network.

[kskill]

Thick, thin - who cares! Does no one else find it interesting that iPhone mobile providers are being announced in numerous territories world wide that previously did not have legal iPhone markets.

June 9th will not only see the release of the next gen 3G iPhone, but I'm guessing it will be followed with a world wide roll out from all the mobile providers. This will be the global launch of the iPhone!

I just hope apple has manufactured enough units, 'cus demand is going to be epic.

I wonder how many will be available at launch [whenever that is]. We're talking about a buttload of iphones that are going to be released all over the world.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple elitists start forming lines at Apple stores before June 9 just to be safe.

Would it seem that AT&T offers a $200 subsidy only if the iPhone were to be unlocked or available from other carriers? If the iPhone can only be used at AT&T, and is subsidized, then the retail price is meaningless, and the iPhone is instantly "devalued" to the subsidy price. I mean, why pay, let's say $399 or $499 retail, for a phone that can't be used anywhere? If discounting of an Apple product, in this case, every Apple iPhone sold in the U.S., were to happen, the biggest news on June 9 won't be the iPhone, it will be that the existing branding and marketing strategy of Apple -- that of never discounting products below the established retail price -- has been forever altered.

An AT&T subsidized iphone would encourage an AT&T subscription. Yes, it could still be unlocked, but why spend $500 and use it on T-Mobile if you can save $200 and go with AT&T?

Also, let's go back to the two bridges poster for WWDC. More and more I'm feeling like it could represent the two iPhone models.

[trojan675]

i said all this on the last update about the specs, right b4 this one opened about an hour ago
i psychic
im not gonna repost it but i was the nxt to last 3

[hephem]

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple decide to enlarge the memory difference, making a 4gb iphone (the low cost model) and a 32gb iphone (the high cost model), everything else remaining the same in one or in another iphone. An iphone without 3G would be unacceptable for the market... and even a low cost iphone has to have a Wow-effect, the Apple high-end products effect: the GPS addiction for both models....

This addiction will make people consider buying an Apple phone... Although, they will be limited by the choice. There will be no middle cost model. Therefor, either you pay less (199$) and you'll risk to be short on memory for your docs, photos, movies, mails... or choose to accept paying big money to Apple (499$) which will make Jobs even happier.

[iMat77]

I think that, given recent rumors and speculation, there might be some substance to the mentioned rumor that we will look forward to two models.

Why? I am still wondering what "a landmark event in more ways than one" means...

I thought it was related to a double product refresh (iPhone and MacBook (Pro)). But, given the pride Jobs has towards his iPhone, it might very well be that we are looking towards two devices.

A thinner iPhone (maybe not even 3G) with some functions and a "Newton"-like, feature rich (albeit slightly thicker than current model) iPhone "Pro".

That is my take.



Notebooks will be announced after the back to school program, or towards the end of it. That is the reason why current back to school program is so aggressive (and why they are giving a free Touch to everyone). We are looking towards a complete refresh of the notebook line in september (just an opinion), in time with the launch of Intel's new processors.

[swagi]

Two versions makes perfect sense...

The low cost one being sold all over the world

the high cost one being the carrier exclusive model Apple has to deliver!

[frosse]

Man I hate subsidies! Why?

B/c thats gonna stop me from importing an iphone cheap(er) and go with crappy TeliaSonera. Cant just Apple give us a REALLY cheap phone or subsidies and then trust us to go to AT&T and register? ;)

And for the "Thinner, thicker, both" thing, I'm gonna buy it anyway if it has GPS. Oh wait, I'm gonna buy it if it doesnt have GPS anyway.

[Brianstorm91]

I can't wait for these rumours to pass, hopefully the iPhone news will take a bit of a hiatus after its announcement.

[bdkennedy1]

As I recall, various previous generation iPods were different thicknesses depending on how big the drive was. If there's going to be a 32gb iPhone, it's possible that it will be thicker than the 16.

[frosse]

As I recall, various previous generation iPods were different thicknesses depending on how big the drive was. If there's going to be a 32gb iPhone, it's possible that it will be thicker than the 16.
No, the older ipods had HDDs, spinning discs you know. The iphone/touch has a flash memory. It is likely that Apple will use one 32 GB instead of two 16 GB, cheaper that way.

[BongoBanger]

I don't know why people think the iPhone can't be thin and have all the features plus good battery life considering the recently announced Nokia E71 has an excellent (1500mh) battery, 3G, wi-fi, GPS, Micro SD slot, 3.2Mp camera, front camera, etc and is only 10mm thick with a smaller form factor than the iPhone v1.0.

In other words, 'phones of this size and this feature set already exist. Why would you suppose Apple would be incapable of making one?

[terrorbite]

The iPhone uses flash memory, so I can't see where the both thick and thin rumours come from, since chip sizes tend to be the same no matter the capacity.

The iPod Classic was thicker with some models because it had a bigger hard drive with an extra platter.

[Shadow]

Another thing... Has anyone heard any mumblings of a concrete ship date?

I have my current iPhone for sale on eBay now. I would hate to be without a phone for a month.

i would guess they want them for sale asap considering the current models havent' been available through apple for a bit.

So you actually sold your phone based on rumors?! We have absolutely no idea that the 3G iPhone is coming next week. People are getting too worked up about this and are settings themselves up for a massive letdown when it doesnt have 32889 hour battery life or a 12 megapixel camera or whatever.

It is only a phone!

[MacSimoPark]

too good to be true.

prediction: its a while before the price gets lowered.

[28monkeys]

I just want to wake up tomorrow, and have it be June 9th. All these rumors are getting crazy.


could you SLEEPon the night of june 8th? :apple:

[chickenninja]

looks like oprah has had a hand in designing this new iphone.... BA-ZING!

[exabytes18]

I'm such a whore - it could be thicker or thinner - and either way i'll buy it

But what happens if it's neither thicker nor thinner?

[lookmark]

The "thin iPhone" specs are a complete fantasy. 3G + GPS + 20% thinner + better battery life + cost less??

Yeah, right. No frickin' way.

If the thin version was EDGE, though.... I could see it.

That would make much more sense, and explain the thicker version with a slightly larger battery for the 3G + GPS, both of which are power hungry. The 3G version might also add a second front-mounted camera for video conferencing, a sexy feature that also would be power-hungry, and explain the higher prices for the 3G model.

I'm a bit skeptical about the $200 subsidy as well, but it's intriguing.

[28monkeys]

But what happens if it's neither thicker nor thinner?

then he is a VERY CHEAP WHORE

[peterdevries]

This all sounds so cool, and still there is no indication on when the iPhone will come to the Netherlands...:mad:

Most countries in Europe have already announced the iPhone, but the Netherlands is still nowhere to be seen. If you consider the amount of jailbroken iPhones seen here on the streets I can't imagine Apple passing this market by.

Everyone and his dog has an iPhone here and I want one too, but not a jailbroken one. :mad:

Sorry for that, but I'm just angry that Belgium will get the iPhone before us. :D

[JonathanU]

If this is from Apple, they're doing a good job of confusing us. "I didn't understand a word you just said."

This is my first ever post on this site, and I just wanted to tell you all how excited all your excitement has got me. I don't understand most of it, but anyway :D

I've never owned a Mac in my life (had loads of ipods, which doesn't seem to count with you Mac types :))- although I'm wanting to buy a new Macbook or maybe a Macbook Pro at the moment (finally got fed up with my PC last weekend when it got the blue screen of death - :mad:). I'm also wanting a new iphone - had a blackberry for years (which I love) but looking forward to giving something else a go. I've been reading these forums avidly for about 2 months and looking at the problems some people are having, and absorbing the hype (and if I'm honest, totally falling for it). I've been lusting after apple products on their website (hold on, a computer that doesn't look like it's made of chewing gum? I'm confused...) I'm worried that the iphone doesn't do everything I need it to, can only hold 3 songs and half a photo, will delete all my addresses when i try to sync it to two computers and doesn't do wireless syncing, play music very well etc. but it doesn't seem to matter to me.

I haven't been this excited about what is frankly, a random date in the calendar, since I was about 6. Which begs the question, is Steve Jobs Father Christmas in disguise? If so, is WWDC attended by his elves? Do they all wear funny costumes, or are they all dressed in skin tight Mission impossible uniforms like the ones that the guys you see on the Apple website "demonstrating" new products with voices that sound like a stage hypnotist (it's all becoming clear now that I write this...) ;)

Seriously though - 3G is overrated unless you're trying to watch TV on your mobile - I know, i've had it for years on (shhh) Windows mobiles/ Nokias etc. The iphone's web pages seem to load pretty quickly anyway.

- What I care about is enough Gigs to hold all my music and a few episodes of the West Wing, South Park etc.

- Enough battery to last a full day (preferably 2) without charging.

- Ideally, it shouldn't be so big that I need to go up a jeans size to fit it in my pocket.

I don't need GPS - the iphone seems to know where you are anyway by magic (it must be those elves ;)) which is accurate to within a few meters. I'm not going to be left standing in the middle of the motorway because i'm using an old iphone instead of one with GPS. I've also got Sat Nav in my car, and know that GPS isn't always the best thing ever when it comes to getting around.

So if you're reading this Steve, an iphone with decent battery life, a slimmer shell and at least 32gigs would be nice. And make it cheaper. And wrap it in tinsel, and I'm there.

Sorry for my distended ramblings, but I'm a new convert to the cause, and they are always the most dangerous.

Cheers.

[Mr Ikasu]

I find it hard to imagine Apple bringing out a thicker iPhone. If there is one thing that they have always done with product updates it is to make the form factor more slender and sleeker.

Look at the first iMac G5 to the current Aluminum iMacs. The iPod classic from 1st Generation to the actual iPod classics nows. The MacBook Air!

If somebody is going to upgrade they want something which is smaller in the pocket. The iPhone is fairly large for a phone as it is.

We shall wait and see...

[Goldfinger]

Sorry for that, but I'm just angry that Belgium will get the iPhone before us. :D

Sure, we're getting them. But at what cost ? Unless Apple or Mobistar has found a loop hole in our consumer protection law, that allows for the iPhone to be subsidezed, it will cost a ton on money. And probably too much to have a large impact on the market here..

But what if that "thinner" iPhone were to be an iPhone mini ? :D That would be great. The iPhone is too large for me right now. Even though I'm afraid that Apple has them selves locked in with the rather large iPhone UI that requires a large enough screen, making a smaller form factor very difficult to introduce.

[Dagless]

Can't wait for my 3G, GPS iPhone :) all that speed streaming Google maps with some good quality GPS location is going to be brilliant. Probably have to buy a car charger on the same day as the phone!

So close now.

[captain kaos]

Sure, we're getting them. But at what cost ? Unless Apple or Mobistar has found a loop hole in our consumer protection law, that allows for the iPhone to be subsidezed, it will cost a ton on money. And probably too much to have a large impact on the market here..


Ok so here is the question, as Belgium beat us good and proper in the Eurovision, shall we find out a way for you lovely people over there to get me a new iphone when it comes out, probably way before the UK gets it!:D:D

[captain kaos]

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What would be funny is if a new iPhone is not announced on June 9. :)

Dont even joke about that! You'll put a hex on the whole thing! :D

[lordgaino]

There are two things i can tell you with absolute certainty about the new iPhone launch...

1) When it is unveiled, there will be hundreds of posts moaning and groaning about how its too cheap/expensive/thick/thin/big/small/has gps/no gps/battery life too short etc!!!

2) When the new iPhone goes on sale, all the ridiculous shall i buy now / shall i wait for the new model threads will begin again!!

[mccldwll]

Apologize for not reading back posts, but in case it hasn't been stated: Scott Moritz has sh#t for brains and is a finger puppet for $$$ interests trying to affect the short term price of aapl stock. The fact that any rumor is consistent with something Moritz wrote earlier doesn't point to confirmation, but suggests even more strongly that neither rumor has any credibility whatsoever. [Legal disclaimer: JMO]

[Yuppi]

This is my first ever post on this site, and I just wanted to tell you all how excited all your excitement has got me. I don't understand most of it, but anyway :D

I haven't been this excited about what is frankly, a random date in the calendar, since I was about 6. Which begs the question, is Steve Jobs Father Christmas in disguise? If so, is WWDC attended by his elves? Do they all wear funny costumes, or are they all dressed in skin tight Mission impossible uniforms like the ones that the guys you see on the Apple website "demonstrating" new products with voices that sound like a stage hypnotist (it's all becoming clear now that I write this...) ;)

Seriously though - 3G is overrated unless you're trying to watch TV on your mobile - I know, i've had it for years on (shhh) Windows mobiles/ Nokias etc. The iphone's web pages seem to load pretty quickly anyway.


Welcome to this site. I personally love Steve Jobs for giving me back this christmas exciting that I lost in moment of what I thought would be geniousity. So the comparison to christmas is quite common here I think :)

Personally I am waiting for 3G and GPS. I just love both on my N95. But the most important fact for me is that it will be available in Sweden.

[JonasLondon]

I have to say the current iPhone "Location" function does an OK job for me, it is not bad at all.

Where I'd love GPS though, is for geotagging photos - take a snapshot, send it to someone and then have the link ready for google-maps - or "Show on Map", not just in Aperture (or maybe iPhoto), but directly in Mail. And some sorry special Link for PeeCee users.

Also, this may or may not have been rumored already, it is quite likely we will see a tiny clip-on/add-on GPS unit for the existing iPhone. Or perhaps allow for a tiny Bluetooth GPS Receiver to be used. These go for no more than 49 USD these days, so it could easily be added for us "1st gen iPhone users" (to tie us over until our 18 month contract expires and we can get on with a new one.

Of course, I do hope O2 in the UK allows for an "earlier upgrade". I know I will want a new iPhone next week... hopefully some friend in Germany can use my old one with shoddy T-Mobile then...

[Kuska]

This is actually an interesting idea... Maybe a way to break into the Enterprise market? Perhaps apple will give the 'Pro' version the ability to more easily interface with corporate e-mail system securely as well as differences in hardware. I don't think a differentiated iPhone line is out of the question. iPods have been in two separate lines since the Mini... The Minis and Nanos for the most part, were differentiated from their traditional iPod counterparts by hardware differences, i.e. storage size. The question is how will the iPhones be differentiated? It could be based on form factor, but touch capabilities require a pretty good sized screen and I can't imagine apple shrinking it down or expanding it too much. Storage could differentiate it, but since both versions would be on flash chips, it doesn't make as much difference as iPod vs. Nano differences. I guess this leads me to think that the software for the two versions could be different.

I think there are just too many possibilities... we'll just have to wait and see!


I too have been thinking about this and have been since we saw the rumoured 'iPhone' & 'iPhone Black' placeholders a few weeks back - could denote 'standard' and 'pro' versions of the new iPhone

[m-dogg]

The higher capacity iPod Classic and lower capacity iPod Classic have been different thicknesses for a long time.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/ipod_classic?mco=MTE2NTc

arn

Yes - This is what I think is going on...

The lower capacity iPhone(s) will be thinner that the current iPhone and the higher capacity iPhone(s) will be the same size as the existing iPhone.

I think it will be thicker in comparison to the new thinner iPhone, not thicker in comparison to the current iPhone.

[rubenerd]

Having had phones with both 3G and GPS, I can say that (from my own experience) battery life honestly wasn't any worse than any of my later generation 2G phones.

GPS was an absolute killer though for battery power. After the "yay, this phone has GPS, I'll use it everywhere" novelty wore off, I just disabled it and never used it. Then again the N95 for example crashed so often without even using the GPS features I never was game to use it, especially if I was having a particularly important SMS conversation or was waiting for a phone call. Hey, I remember now, the killer feature of mobile phones is... the phone!

[m-dogg]

I too have been thinking about this and have been since we saw the rumoured 'iPhone' & 'iPhone Black' placeholders a few weeks back - could denote 'standard' and 'pro' versions of the new iPhone

But that's not Apple's style. In the OS market, they love to take jabs at Windows from creating multiple versions of their OS for different markets vs. one version of Mac OS X for everyone.

[BongoBanger]

But that's not Apple's style. In the OS market, they love to take jabs at Windows from creating multiple versions of their OS for different markets vs. one version of Mac OS X for everyone.

If you think the OSX on the iPhone is the same as the OSX on a Mac you're crazy. It's a cut down version, not the same thing.

[Kuska]

But that's not Apple's style. In the OS market, they love to take jabs at Windows from creating multiple versions of their OS for different markets vs. one version of Mac OS X for everyone.

I agree that we don't see Apple creating lots of variation based on the end user i.e home edition etc etc.

Could a more business oriented phone see a differently featured hardware set ?

Every time I thought this through I ended up thinking 'hmmm you could be right why not just throw the whole package in there'

Still cant help thinking the black denotes more than just colour though.......

[m-dogg]

If you think the OSX on the iPhone is the same as the OSX on a Mac you're crazy. It's a cut down version, not the same thing.


No, that's not what I meant.

When Vista was coming out and was announcing all their different editions (Ultimate, Home Premium, Home Basic, Business, Enterprise), Job stood on stage* and made fun of the fact that they had so many different versions of their OS and were forcing consumers to have to decide which one may be best for them. He then countered that their is one version of Mac OS X for everyone.

Just as he mocked multiple versions of computer operation systems, I don't think Apple would release multiple versions of their iPhone OS.

* Does anyone remember which WWDC/MWSF keynote this was at?

[Diode]

Having had phones with both 3G and GPS, I can say that (from my own experience) battery life honestly wasn't any worse than any of my later generation 2G phones.

GPS was an absolute killer though for battery power. After the "yay, this phone has GPS, I'll use it everywhere" novelty wore off, I just disabled it and never used it. Then again the N95 for example crashed so often without even using the GPS features I never was game to use it, especially if I was having a particularly important SMS conversation or was waiting for a phone call. Hey, I remember now, the killer feature of mobile phones is... the phone!

Speak for yourself ... I plan on using GPS in the car where I already have a charger.

[tuftywhite]

Another thing... Has anyone heard any mumblings of a concrete ship date?

Ships, made out of concrete? That's very old technology, been around for years.

:)

[Dagless]

I have to say the current iPhone "Location" function does an OK job for me, it is not bad at all.

It's absolutely terrible for me. The radius reticule circles my entire city when I use it and it's unusable when out and about. I think it's a nice software feature though to give a rough guess of where you are but I'd love something (GPS or not) that'll be so precise that I don't need to buy a TomTom.

[BongoBanger]

No, that's not what I meant.

When Vista was coming out and was announcing all their different editions (Ultimate, Home Premium, Home Basic, Business, Enterprise), Job stood on stage* and made fun of the fact that they had so many different versions of their OS and were forcing consumers to have to decide which one may be best for them. He then countered that their is one version of Mac OS X for everyone.

Just as he mocked multiple versions of computer operation systems, I don't think Apple would release multiple versions of their iPhone OS.

* Does anyone remember which WWDC/MWSF keynote this was at?

Ah, I see.

Fair enough.

[abrooks]

* Does anyone remember which WWDC/MWSF keynote this was at?

WWDC 2007.

[mccldwll]

It's absolutely terrible for me. The radius reticule circles my entire city when I use it and it's unusable when out and about. I think it's a nice software feature though to give a rough guess of where you are but I'd love something (GPS or not) that'll be so precise that I don't need to buy a TomTom.

Yes. The original circle is fairly inaccurate. But unless you're totally lost, you can move the pin from that original general/inaccurate placement to where you actually are (say you're at an intersection) and get precise directions from there. It's actually pretty good with an extra step.

[javaGuru]

ok so here is what's going on:

$199 - iPhone 8GB with 3G (no GPS)

$299 - iPhone 16GB with 3G (no GPS)

$399 - iPhone 8GB with 3G AND GPS

$499 - iPhone 16GB with 3G AND GPS

Me thinks the inclusion of GPS will make the iPhone fatter to accommodate the battery to withstand the rapid drainage from GPS activation. Technology has advanced enough for 1 year to reduce the thickness of iPhone with 3G but more battery will be needed for GPS.

If Apple intends to continue selling the 8GB and 16GB iPhone w/out 3G and GPS why did they stop producing them recently? Seems like they would keep selling them and then reduce the price on June 9th.

[iZac]

BREAKING:

The new iPhone will have more features, be a different size, and have shoddy 3rd party cases.

It will most likely be pricey and although most people will be satisfied with it, there will be a small, highly vocal community that will bemoan apples business practices, predict financial catastrophe and point out how their Photoshop mock-up and fanciful imagination was far superior. :rolleyes:

I can't wait until WWDC is over and it wont be groundhog day every time i visit macrumours front page.

[tbohlsennswssrg]

WWDC 2007.

See this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqn12oPv4pg

[posner]

It will be a floor wax...
AND
it will be a dessert topping.

[freddiecable]

:D my thought too!

but - this is quite obvious. they will have to diversify! and - probably I will want to have both models - if they release 2 versions - like with the ipod. The nano is supernice - as is the touch.

Crap! Now I'll have to buy 2, one thin and one thick. :confused:

[Loonytik]

Im a Verizon customer and plan on buying the new iphone when it comes out. I have a two part question:

1. Would it benefit me to buy a junk AT&T phone before the iphone launch so I can get the subsidy?:confused:

2. I haven't heard anyone say anything about porting your old phone number to the iphone. I assume you can but I want to make sure of that before hand.:confused:

Thanks!:apple:

[137489]

Phew, what a mystery. I am so looking forward to finding out the truth next week.


You're not the only one. I am not in the market for a new phone, but with all the hype about "electric computer", other things may be coming in mac os x. I am wondering what else is up Steve's sleeve.

What would be cool - and external USB blue-ray rw for less than $200 (I need the storage space for permanate storage. I have outgrown DL disks). Also a new mini-tower that replaces the mini, or is a step up from the mini; but a step down in price from the Imac. Wife needs a new computer, and I really only want apple in my home....

[m-dogg]

See this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqn12oPv4pg

That's it. Thanks!

[tgildred]

Another thing... Has anyone heard any mumblings of a concrete ship date?

What does the iPhone have to do with a concrete ship? Wah, wah, waaaaah...

Maybe the ZunePhone will be shipped on a concrete ship.

[137489]

Im a Verizon customer and plan on buying the new iphone when it comes out. I have a two part question:

1. Would it benefit me to buy a junk AT&T phone before the iphone launch so I can get the subsidy?:confused:

2. I haven't heard anyone say anything about porting your old phone number to the iphone. I assume you can but I want to make sure of that before hand.:confused:

Thanks!:apple:


there was an FCC regulation that came out where you could port your phone numbers to a new phone. It supposingly included being able to switch carriers too, but I still have trouble with carriers allowing me to do that. Keeping your same phone number within a carrier is not a problem, I upgrade my phones every year or so (I tend to break mine).

[mccldwll]

I can't see aapl making the screen smaller. Ever. For any model. That said, the iPhone overall is about .375" wider and 1.25" longer than the screen itself. That may be a bit too small to be ergonomically comfortable, but future models could be reduced and made a bit thicker. The biggest limitations won't come from higher tech, but from battery, screen materials, and speaker. Battery technology is the real limitation these days.
However, one immediate possibility for a smaller iPhone would be a bluetooth earbud (or pen or watch) combined with handsfree calling. Smaller "phone" combined with big screen when needed.

[m-dogg]

Im a Verizon customer and plan on buying the new iphone when it comes out. I have a two part question:

1. Would it benefit me to buy a junk AT&T phone before the iphone launch so I can get the subsidy?:confused:

2. I haven't heard anyone say anything about porting your old phone number to the iphone. I assume you can but I want to make sure of that before hand.:confused:

Thanks!:apple:

1. I'd wait...they may only give a subsidy to brand new subscripers or something crazy like that. I'm also switching from Verizon and I'm waiting.

2. Yes, you can.

[dicklacara]

As have many others, I have been reading these rumors for many months (they started almost immediately after the original iphone announcement).

I feel something is missing here. Most every rumored feature is an incremental improvement-- even the SDK, AppStore, Enterprise features.

We are hypothesizing over number of cameras, pixel depth, memory, real or pseudo GPS, 3G in this flavor or that, size/weight/dimensions... yadda, yadda, yadda.

Don't get me wrong, this is all good stuff. But, it is so... so... so... predictable!

I do believe, because of a series of events, that SJ will have the attention of much of the world (at least the technology world) focused on his WWDC keynote.

This can't be another iPod Hi-Fi, leather case announcement...

Where is the WOW factor, that slaps us upside the head? Blows away the competition?

Steve has the opportunity to "set the bar" for the next few years. Anticipated, incremental iPhone improvements just ain't gonna' do it.

There's gotta' be more!

C'mon Steve, make us drool!


i'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather...
rather than screaming in terror like his passengers.

[EgbertAttrick]

Wow. This is the most obnoxious rumor I have ever read. Actually, should this even be considered as such when, really, it is nothing more than a rehash of absolutely everything that has ever been said ever about the iPhone?

This doesn't deserve Page One.

Perhaps something a little more concrete...

[timimbo85]

Everyone obviously remember the WWDC poster of the 2 golden gate bridges and the sneaky little quote they give. This is what I think it means now

Maybe the bridges stand for your choice of iPhone, there could be one geared toward corporate America and the other one for the everyday consumer. The more these rumors come out the more I'm starting to believe in my theory.

IDK just a thought.

[homosensus]

Apple is doing a great job at hiding their new products don't they? :p They drive the whole community crazy! :p

No rumors about iPhone 2.0 coming to cyprus :( I guess they are only rolling it where the itunes store is available? It's quite sad how small countries like my one never get the chance for new staff

[aamaczz]

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What would be funny is if a new iPhone is not announced on June 9. :)

As I'm from the UK I've checked the O2 website, carphone warehouse and the UK Apple website. It's not being sold anywhere. That wouldn't make sense unless they are waiting for a new model to come in...

[mccldwll]

Everyone obviously remember the WWDC poster of the 2 golden gate bridges and the sneaky little quote they give. This is what I think it means now

Maybe the bridges stand for your choice of iPhone, there could be one geared toward corporate America and the other one for the everyday consumer. The more these rumors come out the more I'm starting to believe in my theory.

IDK just a thought.

The print on that bridges poster said there were going to be two developer tracks at the conference. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[AuntJemima]

I am still in the group of people that believes that the iphone will be revamped but their will be a one more thing... an internet tablet! that would explain the rumors that apple has ordered gps chips and that they in fact will go to the tablet not the new iphone ?! Steve Jobs please just tell us I can't wait a week!

[137489]

There are two things i can tell you with absolute certainty about the new iPhone launch...

1) When it is unveiled, there will be hundreds of posts moaning and groaning about how its too cheap/expensive/thick/thin/big/small/has gps/no gps/battery life too short etc!!!

2) When the new iPhone goes on sale, all the ridiculous shall i buy now / shall i wait for the new model threads will begin again!!


LOL :rolleyes: - now that I got my macbook, I am thinking of just cancelling my subscription to macrumors and just read the headlines every so often. in the past year or so, I have seen this forum grow from helpful information to a bunch of whining that people they did not get their way :mad:... I used to look to macrumors for useful information. Now I have to read through 30+ pages :eek:of whining just to find something interesting that I did not know....

[zac4mac]

Hard to believe my iPhone isn't even a year old yet.

I've seen very little on features I am currently missing/wanting:
#1 - BlueTooth Stereo
#2 - Remote dialing, texting from Address Book, Mail, iChat etc.

#3 - ability to use BT keyboard/mouse for data entry.. so-so.

I expect to hang onto my RevA for a while longer.
It's a tough little booger, been thru the wash once, never in a case and still look/works like new.

Zack

[137489]

1. I'd wait...they may only give a subsidy to brand new subscripers or something crazy like that. I'm also switching from Verizon and I'm waiting.

2. Yes, you can.

As I have seen with Sprint - you only get a small pitiful discounts on upgrading your phone. if you are a new subscriber, you tend to get larger discounts ans better plans/raes.

[drb6]

Also, let's go back to the two bridges poster for WWDC. More and more I'm feeling like it could represent the two iPhone models.

Its hard to believe that WWDC's entire theme was made to focus on iPhone models.

I still think this works with the tablet rumor. Diverging paths for developers...1) Mobile - iPhone/touch and 2) Portable - Tablet touch applications

[137489]

This is my first ever post on this site, and I just wanted to tell you all how excited all your excitement has got me. I don't understand most of it, but anyway :D

I've never owned a Mac in my life (had loads of ipods, which doesn't seem to count with you Mac types :))- although I'm wanting to buy a new Macbook or maybe a Macbook Pro at the moment (finally got fed up with my PC last weekend when it got the blue screen of death - :mad:). I'm also wanting a new iphone - had a blackberry for years (which I love) but looking forward to giving something else a go. I've been reading these forums avidly for about 2 months and looking at the problems some people are having, and absorbing the hype (and if I'm honest, totally falling for it). I've been lusting after apple products on their website (hold on, a computer that doesn't look like it's made of chewing gum? I'm confused...) I'm worried that the iphone doesn't do everything I need it to, can only hold 3 songs and half a photo, will delete all my addresses when i try to sync it to two computers and doesn't do wireless syncing, play music very well etc. but it doesn't seem to matter to me.

I haven't been this excited about what is frankly, a random date in the calendar, since I was about 6. Which begs the question, is Steve Jobs Father Christmas in disguise? If so, is WWDC attended by his elves? Do they all wear funny costumes, or are they all dressed in skin tight Mission impossible uniforms like the ones that the guys you see on the Apple website "demonstrating" new products with voices that sound like a stage hypnotist (it's all becoming clear now that I write this...) ;)

Seriously though - 3G is overrated unless you're trying to watch TV on your mobile - I know, i've had it for years on (shhh) Windows mobiles/ Nokias etc. The iphone's web pages seem to load pretty quickly anyway.

- What I care about is enough Gigs to hold all my music and a few episodes of the West Wing, South Park etc.

- Enough battery to last a full day (preferably 2) without charging.

- Ideally, it shouldn't be so big that I need to go up a jeans size to fit it in my pocket.

I don't need GPS - the iphone seems to know where you are anyway by magic (it must be those elves ;)) which is accurate to within a few meters. I'm not going to be left standing in the middle of the motorway because i'm using an old iphone instead of one with GPS. I've also got Sat Nav in my car, and know that GPS isn't always the best thing ever when it comes to getting around.

So if you're reading this Steve, an iphone with decent battery life, a slimmer shell and at least 32gigs would be nice. And make it cheaper. And wrap it in tinsel, and I'm there.

Sorry for my distended ramblings, but I'm a new convert to the cause, and they are always the most dangerous.

Cheers.

I won't fill you with all the hype.... After hype is just that, blown out of the water expectations. What I will tell you though...... I bought a macbook in April from MacMall with Parallels and Windows Xp Pre-loaded. I have never been more happier in all my life when it comes to a new computer. :D

Software on a mac is about 1/4 to 1/2 the prices as the MS world, and seems to make my world more easier when it comes to needing what I need to do. I have yet to have a crash. with all that is built into a apple's iwork, ilife, and into the OS itself, I was able to dump 70% of the software I needed as compared to MS. I am truelly a happy mac owner.

As for the iphone, well I wanted one - but I am locked into a sprint contract right now, and i am hating my palm centrino for some things. I cannot get my contacts to sync with outlook or the palm desktop. Arg. I have not tried connecting it to my mac yet to see if I can fanagle something... The palm software that came with it only runs on Windows.

[SJobsismyhero]

every one knows by this point that 3G is a lock but 3g or not I would love to have multimedia messaging support so i can send and receive pictures! Am I alone on this?

[Jowl]

Of course, I do hope O2 in the UK allows for an "earlier upgrade". I know I will want a new iPhone next week... hopefully some friend in Germany can use my old one with shoddy T-Mobile then...

Thanks for emailing us to find out more about iPhone.

You'll be able to upgrade your contract to the 3G iPhone.

I'm unable to tell you when will the 3G iPhone be launched on our network.


Was the response I got from O2 when enquiring about purchasing the 'current' iPhone when they reduced it to £199. I was tempted to purchase that, then upgrade to 3G.

[m1stake]

It will either get thinner or it won't change. That trend happened with the iMac, the the laptop lines as well.

Also, there will be only be two iPhone sizes: 16GB and 32GB. The iPod lines have always had a big and a small, and the iPhone will too. Having 3 or 4 models, some of which don't have 3G is not going to happen.

2 models, both 3G. Duh.

[137489]

Its hard to believe that WWDC's entire theme was made to focus on iPhone models.

I still think this works with the tablet rumor. Diverging paths for developers...1) Mobile - iPhone/touch and 2) Portable - Tablet touch applications

hmm, lets see here.

wwdc theme - 2 bridges.
New iphone in works
long rumor of touch/tablet
long rumors of new mini
10.5.3 just came out
new SDK for the iphone.
growth in Apple sales
shipping of "electric computer"

I think we are seeing Apple making new in roads. I have a string suspicion Apple may be working on more apps than we know, beefing up there Enterprise level solutions, and working more towards bridging with other technologies and systems.

It was funny and cool. my local news station, Fox8 in High Point NC, was talking about the gas prices; and how companies are looking at 4 10/hr day work weeks or a virtual Friday where people work from home, one day a week.

One women they were interviewing had an iMac in her cubical and she was syncing up her macbook pro to take with her to be able tro work remotely. The company also gave her an iphone to be able to keep in touch.

With the gas situation, large companies outsourcing and downsizing, and virtual offices, I see where we need to better bridge our home/mobile office with the servers housed in a smaller company HQ. I work from home supporting 200+ hospitals and their software. I wish we had macs as expose would sure be nice when I have 10-12 apps running.

I think the bridge theme really has something more in mind than just a new phone. After all WWDC is World Wide Developers Conference, not MacWorld. Although, Steve surprised us in the past with releasing stuff outside of MacWorld.

[SJobsismyhero]

As everyone desperately waits for the new iphone (even myself) we are still not even definitely sure one will be released for all we know Jobs could take the stage and be like we are working on a 3g phone will be shipping in late fall or something! That would SUCK!

[D4F]

....

[137489]

As everyone desperately waits for the new iphone (even myself) we are still not even definitely sure one will be released for all we know Jobs could take the stage and be like we are working on a 3g phone will be shipping in late fall or something! That would SUCK!

given the hype on this board, I would not be surprised.... It has happened before. Also carriers need to upgrade there entire networks to 3G. after all, this is a developers conference

[xhambonex]

I thought that the two bridges were just showing the new division of OS X. The mobile version and the computer version. I doubt the two bridges has anything to do with consumer products like a tablet, although they could infer a tablet through further development of OS X mobile. Since its a developers conference, the focus will be on OS X and OS X mobile. 3g iphone just happens to slip in.

[avigalante]

After reading the numerous rumors - I still can't make myself believe that Apple would ever make anything thicker from it's predecessor. It just doesn't mix with Apple's mantra.

[VideoShooter]

I wouldn't mind a 22% increase in thickness.

I'll buy the two phones... ("Buy" as in believe. I'll get the phatty :) )

One thick with 3g, fat memory and long battery life.

One thin with Edge and good battery life.


But what I really want is...

- The ability to type emails in landscape mode.
- A Speakerphone that REALLY works.
- TETHERING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[heyp]

I thought that the two bridges were just showing the new division of OS X. The mobile version and the computer version. I doubt the two bridges has anything to do with consumer products like a tablet, although they could infer a tablet through further development of OS X mobile. Since its a developers conference, the focus will be on OS X and OS X mobile. 3g iphone just happens to slip in.

yes, this is correct

[drb6]

I thought that the two bridges were just showing the new division of OS X. The mobile version and the computer version. I doubt the two bridges has anything to do with consumer products like a tablet, although they could infer a tablet through further development of OS X mobile. Since its a developers conference, the focus will be on OS X and OS X mobile. 3g iphone just happens to slip in.

yes thats what I said, mobile vs. regular (incl possibly tablet touch) platforms for development

[mccldwll]

yes thats what I said, mobile vs. regular (incl possibly tablet touch) platforms for development

Actually, no. This is what you said:

"I still think this works with the tablet rumor. Diverging paths for developers...1) Mobile - iPhone/touch and 2) Portable - Tablet touch applications"
________

[Xjett]

If this is from Apple, they're doing a good job of confusing us. "I didn't understand a word you just said."

I totally agree. I think this thin and thick version is a little flakey. Apple has always liked to keep things simple. These would be way too many variations of the same product for the consumer to handle. I really can't see Apple releasing anything thicker than the current iPhone and passing it off and a breakthrough. Sure, Steve will spin it in a way that everyone will be cool with the idea of a thicker phone, but in the end we'll feel it. Having a varied range of different iPhones each with different features could be a bit confusing and clash with what Apple goes for with it's products which is elegant simplicity and ease of use.

[RustyM]

I love my 8GB iPhone and it still works great, but if a 32GB 3G GPS iPhone comes out without the recessed headphone jack, I think I'd even pay $699 to get one. I usually play it closer to the belt.

[ayale99]

It's absolutely terrible for me. The radius reticule circles my entire city when I use it and it's unusable when out and about. I think it's a nice software feature though to give a rough guess of where you are but I'd love something (GPS or not) that'll be so precise that I don't need to buy a TomTom.

Is your city 2 miles wide? It shouldn't be too hard to find anything in your town then.

J/k. Isn't the circle supposed to be within a 2 mile radius of your location?

[Benjer]

Part of the AT&T Wireless website has been down since yesterday for maintenance, including pretty basic pages, such as the "about" page. As best as I can tell, it only includes the personal use portion of the website (not the business use portion). I didn't think anything of it yesterday, but it's still down, and this is a long time for "maintenance." Any connection?

[voicegy]

It is only a phone!

BLASHPEMY! :eek:

[stairway123]

IF only 16gb & 32gb (no more 8gb) iPhones are rolled out at WWDC @ $399 and $499 ea., how does this affect the iPod Touch line, 8gb, 16gb, 32gb?

The iPod Touch 16gb would become the same price as the iPhone 16gb (or greater if considering the AT&T subsidy rumor).

If the new iPhone, with it's physical features updated and depth reduced 22%, .46 to .36 inches, and the iPod Touch currently at .31 in, the feature set and size of the iPod Touch's comparative value is further reduced.

This leads me to speculate the iPod Touch will be updated in some fashion at WWDC. A price cut is in order across the board, because there is no way they would introduce a 16gb iPhone for the same price or less as a 16gb iPod Touch.

Second point:

The iPhone was introduced July 2007.

The iPod Touch was introduced September 2007.

Both have been updated simultaneously since their introduction, keeping an even cost/benefit ratio:

Since November 2007:


8gb iPod Touch $299
8gb iPhone, 16gb iPod Touch $399
16gb iPhone, 32gb iPod Touch $499


Proposed changes:


8gb iPod Touch $299
16gb iPod Touch $399, 16gb 3G Slimmer iPhone $399 less subsidy
32gb iPod Touch $499, 32gb 3G Slimmer iPhone $499 less subsidy


These prices do not make business sense.

Here is what is likely to happen:

Scenario One:

8gb iPod Touch phase out.
16gb iPod Touch down to $299.
32gb iPod Touch down to $399.
Education deal changes in some way (either free 16gb or free 8gb while supplies last).


Scenario 2a:
8gb, 16gb, 32gb 3G iPhone introduced and pricing scheme remains the same until September.

Scenario 2b (most logical):
3G iPhone 16gb @ $499 less a subsidy, 32gb @ 599 less a subsidy. Previous generation iPhones discounted and phased out. Effectively the same pricing scheme until September when new/updated iPod models are introduced. This is in line with the previous generation iPhone's (overpriced) introduction.

Scenario Three (most likely):
16gb & 32gb iPhone introduced and iPod Touch pricing remains the same. Apple uses the Education discount deal to phase out the 8gb iPod Touches until a September update.

This education deal, as it stands, should it stand, should give us some insight into the iPhone offerings. IF this education deal stands until September, as the rebate and deal information states... the iPod Touch pricing and offering WILL remain the same until the September update.

Will the iPhone prices be overpriced until a future reduction in September?

What other scenarios can you think of, and what are the implications to the Education deal? The scenarios are highly dependent upon what the heck iPhone offerings will be introduced on the 9th. Size(s), feature set(s), memory capacity, etc.

[kgeier82]

As everyone desperately waits for the new iphone (even myself) we are still not even definitely sure one will be released for all we know Jobs could take the stage and be like we are working on a 3g phone will be shipping in late fall or something! That would SUCK!

this just simply wont happen. ATT employs are not allowed to take off the first two weeks after WWDC? No stock of iphone anywhere.

The announcement will come @ WWDC. There is enough evidence pointing to that to be 100% concrete @ this point.

as long as it has 32GB, 3g, and BLUETOOTH AUDIO for the ipod portion, ill be purchasing, only @ 499$, not going to spend more.

its coming, its just a matter of how many people are gonna complain that its not got everything in it that everyone wanted, bore.

i see no reason to discount the phone for "new customers", we all have to sign a new contract, whether we are new or not.!

[nebupolzar]

"we are very happy to present the second generation of iPhone....

...one more thing...

iPhone is a very successfull product.... bla bla bla...
We worked very hard on that... bla bla bla...
from the design team of the iPod bla bla bla...
here is the new ... iPhone nano! And its even thinner than the iPhone classic!!
Unbelievable!
"

[BlueFoxOne]

Hmmm, no thanks, I'll stick with me Blackberry Curve.

JT
http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com

[twoodcc]

i hope both happens. can't wait to find out though!

[superman12342]

The higher capacity iPod Classic and lower capacity iPod Classic have been different thicknesses for a long time.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/ipod_classic?mco=MTE2NTc

arn

But Then Again Look At The iPod Touch's

8 GB, 16GB, And A 32GB.

There Is No Difference In Size And Weight.

[superman12342]

Do you really care about the GPS and Video Conferencing?

Not That Many People Will Have The New iPhone.

But I Still Think It's Cool

[carlitol]

Does anyone know how to find out what is up on the 9th? Will there be a webcast or on TV? Is there some where on the web to watch postings?
Thanks:apple:

[rvk27]

i want it.... $199 though
not enough money hehehe:apple::apple::apple:

[megfilmworks]

I can't shake the feeling that we will see low priced iPhones and higher priced models as well.
Materials would differ and so would clock speeds and memory, etc.
Maybe only one or two models next week,
but I think the future will bring several models, from Nano to Pro.

[chotty]

I think where all missing 2 things
Will in be 3g or HSPDA or both I will have 3G but HSPDA would rock. Yes we have that in Australia pity its run by telstra
Secondly will it have wireless sync with my mac, I really hate cables

Ill mention a 3rd colour face plates that are replaceable and therefore you could have user replaceable batterys??

"WE'RE", not "WHERE"...
we're = we are.

[xhambonex]

I feel like people have just expected the 32gb iphone since the rumor was made up. That's still not something I think we will see...are they just going to make up some more room in that phone, if they are adding 3g, gps, longer battery life, and extra storage??? I think 32gb is last on my list. GPS is not a big deal, considering i can pay for my chocolate to have gps. and yes i bet gps will only be available as a plan extra, not a standalone device like a garmin.

[eddietr]

I totally agree. I think this thin and thick version is a little flakey. Apple has always liked to keep things simple. These would be way too many variations of the same product for the consumer to handle. I really can't see Apple releasing anything thicker than the current iPhone and passing it off and a breakthrough. Sure, Steve will spin it in a way that everyone will be cool with the idea of a thicker phone, but in the end we'll feel it. Having a varied range of different iPhones each with different features could be a bit confusing and clash with what Apple goes for with it's products which is elegant simplicity and ease of use.

I don't understand that argument.

Apple has 4 major models of iPods (Shuffle, Nano, Classic, and Touch). 5 different sets of physical dimensions. Multiple capacities available in each line. Even multiple colors.

3 different lines of laptops with 4 distinct sets of physical dimensions.

Why would it be so hard to imagine 2 iPhones? I, for one, would prefer the choice. Given that, all else being equal, EDGE uses less power than 3G (as indicated again by the option Apple is apparently giving to turn 3G off), I would like to see them push the envelope on size by making a very thin EDGE only phone. If it were thin enough, I might it even choose that over the 3G version.

Others would choose the more features and the bigger phone. In fact those who want spec bragging rights might even prefer a larger phone than the current one with great battery life, 3G, GPS, larger speaker, etc.

Why not offer the choice? Just like they do now with the iPods.

[LukeNZ]

Any one noticed that you can no longer buy the iPhone on Apples Online store. Damm It just as i was to buy one to night. (Don't realy care about new one. i Live in NZ Oh and why not wait for the iphone in nz? coz its goone be about 599 USD 700 NZD i can "get" one for 611 Post inclueded) so whys this apple? not trying to get rid of ya old iPhones?

[VideoShooter]

Hmmm, no thanks, I'll stick with me Blackberry Curve.

JT
http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com

Arn - could you track this guy down by IP address. Time for a sock full of quarters!

[jettrue]

All this talk of wanting "thickness" and "thiness" makes me think of sir-mix-a-lot's, baby got back song.

BUT!! with an iphone twist to the lyrics. :D

Even the thread title says it all: 3Giphone: Thinner, Thicker or Both?

I want all the thickness Jobs and co. will fit into this mama. This Big Mama of OS X touch technology.

I LIKE THICK PHONES and I Cannot Lie....
You other owners can't deny
when a phone walks in with an itty bitty waist and 3G in your face
You get SPRUNG

:cool: Sorry for that lapse of judgement.

Here's my dilemna.

Just bought hubby an iPhone for our anniversary at the end of May.

I'm extremely jealous and want my own. Want it NOW. I'm exceptionally impatient. When I decide on something, I MUST act, LOL. :D

My pointy mouse finger arrow (that's the technical term, btw) is hovering over the "Buy it Now" for an unlocked "like New" phone, probably someone unloading it in anticipation for the 3G version. I'm on T-Mobile and need an unlocked version (I know I'm not the only one, so I won't be shy in admitting it), as we are locked in for the next 2 years. To be honest, I'll probably be better at accepting the ineptness of an older version than employing my patience to wait for a newer version.

My options:

1) NOT wait (these are all still rumors, after all), get one on eBay now, possibly for less, since many are waiting for 3G version, and perhaps the demand on eBay is a little subdued? Anyway, T-Mobile doesn't have 3G capability at the moment. Yes, I know, they are supposed to be rolling it out this year.


2) DO wait till next week....

a)If there IS a new phone (and even if they do "announce" it, there's no guarantee it would be available that week) then I would have wait even longer for those hacking "professionals" to offer them on eBay (I could probably unlock it myself, I'm pretty technically inclined, but don't want to deal with the activating AT&T / canceling AT&T / possibly bricking my phone issues) and pay out the nose for the newest unlocked version. Getting an unlocked one on eBay will easily cost me $100 over retail, probably even more if I want to buy one right away.

1a. I could wait and STILL get a 1.0 when 2.0 comes out, as DROVES of people will be selling their old unloved unwanted easily discarded unacceptable models on eBay.

b)If there ISN'T a new phone, I can still get the 1.0 on eBay, but the demand for them might be up, and there may be less available, and then I waited for no good reason.:p

I'm leaning toward not waiting. Any advice, LOL?

[BongoBanger]

If you buy now you're insane.

Jesus, exercise some control - it's only a week away! ;)

[jettrue]

If you buy now you're insane.

Jesus, exercise some control - it's only a week away! ;)

Is there a guarantee I could have an unlocked 2.0 in my hand a week from now without paying exorbitantly more even if its instantly available once Steve Jobs allegedly announces it? Some people are sure it won't be available till fall. *shrug* And part of my point is that I may still want a 1.0 anyway... so maybe waiting isn't necessary.

Control has never been my strong suit, I readily admitted that in my first post. :p

[iEdd]

Any one noticed that you can no longer buy the iPhone on Apples Online store.

lol (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/10/online-apple-store-is-out-of-iphones/) ;)

Here's my dilemna. ~snip~

You have three options:
1. Buy the iPhone as soon as it comes out, you have a brand new edge phone before almost everyone else for $600.
2. Buy the iPhone as soon as it drops to $400, you didn't get it straight away, but you got a great price.
3. Wait for the 3G iPhone that is rumoured to definitely come out in June.

Hmmm... I've noticed that you are way too late for options 1 & 2. :D However, if you still want an outdated phone and can't wait a week or two for a new one, I'm sure someone will be more than happy to pawn a used one off on you while they get GPS, 3G, whatever other goodies come. :o

[jettrue]

rumoured to definitely



Isn't that an oxymoron? Is it RUMORED or DEFINITE? :D

I guess it is a "rumor" that it is definitely coming in June. I get it now.:p

I got your point. Sure, I'm too LATE for #1. and #2. but IF #3 happens, and are indeed available in June, it will be too EARLY to get an unlocked one for a decent price. So I'm stuck waiting again. I waited so long in the first place because I am locked into t-mobile and didn't want to pay $800+ for an unlocked one. They only relatively recently came down to less than $100 over retail.

So, now I'll stop hijacking this thread with my dilemma. There's justification for either way. FWIW, I think I will wait, and if I can't get a decent price on an unlocked 2.0, or get the nerve to unlock one myself, I'll buy someone's reject. :cool: I'm just not good at waiting.

[iEdd]

Oxymoron was intended. The point is that though we are basing this off of rumours, it's highly likely that there is a 3G iPhone coming out (soon). :cool:

Why get someone else to open your brand new iPhone and unlock it? At the moment, ZiPhone and pwnage (I think) are the two main 1 click unlocking programs - I've never heard of them bricking a phone (not that I've looked). That said, the new software may be more secure and less prone to unlocking. There are other ways around this, eg. a sim adaptor that makes any phone think an AT&T sim is inserted.

The point is, at this stage, you are getting a raw deal if you buy now. Even if the 3G iPhone comes out and it's not to your needs, there will be clearances of old ones and plenty to choose from on ebay, so there's only an advantage of waiting as you get the choice. :)

[Dimarco]

I like it thick.

thats what she said

[will108]

Hi, I was just thinking, has much been said about how powerful the processor in the next iphone will be, or how much ram it will have? My current iphone occaisionally has to stop and think about things and with all these programs due out soon, surely that will only get worse... A quicker, more powerful iphone would be nice!

Just thought I'd put some variation into the "will it be slightly thicker, will it be slightly thinner, will it have 3g" debate...