3rd Party iPhone Apps to Launch Monday?

[MacRumors]

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CNet reports (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9958320-37.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5) that Apple is poised to launch the first of the 3rd party iPhone applications at WWDC on Monday. A source at a software company that has been working on a native iPhone application tells us the company is getting ready to launch that application on Monday, which could also imply that Apple's App Store will be up and running that day.A Monday launch of the iTunes App Store would also imply an immediate release of the iPhone 2.0 Firmware which would be much earlier than expected. When Apple announced (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/03/06iphone.html) the iPhone SDK beta and 2.0 firmware, they said the final release would be available "by the end of June."

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[GeekLawyer]

they said the final release would be available "by the end of June."

Perhaps Apple is eager to be ahead of the game, instead of behind the curve as they've been on a few recent (software) releases...?

[Fonzijr1964]

nice. I have finals that day so i cant watch the apple news until after school sucks for me.

[sfroom]

Looks like waiting until WWDC to purchase my iMac 3.06 + iPod Touch will pay off! I'm glad I resisted the temptation to order today!

[Peace]

Now come on. Who didn't expect this :D

Uncle Steve always has something up his sleeve.

[websyndicate]

Gezz all the hype it feels like people think Christ is coming and trust me Im a huge fanboy

[newyorksole]

I can't see Apple releasing the 2.0 software on monday, but it would surprise the hell out of me if I'm wrong and I would be very glad.

[stagi]

The article also says that the 3g will be available monday and have GPS. That and the app store would make me so happy on Monday, I just hope the price tag is around $400 (or less)

[macfan881]

now heres what im wondering is the app store part of the normal 2.0 featuers or will this be part of the "small upgrade free " for the ipod touch users

[kockgunner]

Looks like waiting until WWDC to purchase my iMac 3.06 + iPod Touch will pay off! I'm glad I resisted the temptation to order today!

lol. MUST... RESIST! But won't we have to pay for the 2.0 firmware upgrade?

[berkleeboy210]

bring it on baby, that's all i gotta say.

[levitynyc]

I can't see Apple releasing the 2.0 software on monday, but it would surprise the hell out of me if I'm wrong and I would be very glad.

That would be cool, but will our purchases transfer to the new phones? Has this even been discussed?

[TheOrioles33]

I have my iTunes gift cards locked and loaded!!

[dizastor]

Gezz all the hype it feels like people think Christ is coming and trust me Im a huge fanboy

It's even better. Steve Jobs is coming and he's got new software and toys for us to lust after and go into debt for.

;)

[MrT8064]

will the final of 2.0 be Pwnable?

(sorry to take this excitement down to the dirty unlocking level)

[Mugs]

Hey guys, awesome news......But how the hell did this story get a negative????? There is nothing worrying or bad in it at all!!! I really wana see a story which has no negatives! :eek:

[TheOrioles33]

Hey guys, awesome news......But how the hell did this story get a negative????? There is nothing worrying or bad in it at all!!! I really wana see a story which has no negatives! :eek:

Probably because someone who thinks it will be a buggy release because its earlier than expected.

[john7jr]

I can't see Apple releasing the 2.0 software on monday, but it would surprise the hell out of me if I'm wrong and I would be very glad.

Not likely. We'll see a 1.x update including AppStore, and then in a month get the full 2.0.

I hope we'll see the full 2.0, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

[TVGenius]

But wouldn't it make more sense to get the FINAL SDK and firmware out so apps can be tested on it before they go on sale? Or maybe certain special 'partners' apps are already being made/tested using the final versions.

[dizastor]

lol. MUST... RESIST! But won't we have to pay for the 2.0 firmware upgrade?

Probably not if you buy an ipod touch after the announcement. (Assuming the ones in store after the announcement have 2.0 loaded)

I think that's what the person you quoted was getting at.

[drchipinski]

Just don't tell me to get in line later this month to buy the phone....:mad:

[Santa Rosa]

There was a story I read somewhere about the latest firmware beta that was out. The comments went along the lines of it had seen vast optimisation which I suppose hints at it maybe being finished.

We will have to wait and see. I am still a bit skeptical but you never know!!

[joe16]

I wonder if there will be a delay between the 2.0 software launch and having it built into the iPhone/iPod Touch.

[David G.]

Will there be a folding at home program?:rolleyes:

[Sbrocket]

Not likely. We'll see a 1.x update including AppStore, and then in a month get the full 2.0.

I hope we'll see the full 2.0, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

That doesn't make sense, unless Apple focused their resources on a 1.x update that has the same frameworks as the iPhone SDK so that the applications would actually work.

And you know what that update would be called? iPhone OS 2.0. :p

AppStore = 2.0, though 2.0 doesn't necessarily = AppStore.

[Adisah]

I thought 2.0 was coming out on June 9th, oh well that sucks. If they delay it beyond the end of June, that will be just rediculous. Oh well, keep up the good work :apple:

[Compile 'em all]

will the final of 2.0 be Pwnable?

(sorry to take this excitement down to the dirty unlocking level)

Yes, it will. and unlocking YOUR device ain't dirty.

[chrismac00]

Crap! I have to review for a final on Monday to and I have to stay until 8pm!

:((

High school sucks

But..I'm so happy for the 2.0 software release!!! :D:D:D:D

[newyorksole]

That would be cool, but will our purchases transfer to the new phones? Has this even been discussed?

It'll be like music, the music you download on your iPhone goes to your computer and if you get a new phone it will probably transfer to it.

I don't really care about GPS, well I am going to drive soon so I guess I can mount the thing in my car, but I realllly want 3G, video camera and AIM and lots of 3rd party apps!!

[Mr Maui]

Crap! I have to review for a final on Monday to and I have to stay until 8pm!

:((

High school sucks

Wait until you get into the real world (a.k.a, the work force). ;)

[ArtOfWarfare]

Wait... there was some doubt regarding this?

I thought it was so obvious that it just didn't need to be mentioned.

I think "by the end of June" was the date they said just so they could have 3 weeks without criticism in the event they weren't able to launch the app store at the time they wanted.

[FreeState]

It'll be like music, the music you download on your iPhone goes to your computer and if you get a new phone it will probably transfer to it.

That or it will just be backed up to your backups and not available in itunes without your phone plugged in (or a new phone that is synced with that back-up/assigned to the same account number).

Im hoping its like the games for iPods - that way my partner and I can share our apps without having to buy them more than once.

[ArtOfWarfare]

I think you'll be able to transfer them from an iPhone to the computer it syncs with... then the computer will be able to transfer it to any other iPhones that sync with it.

[joseph2166]

now heres what im wondering is the app store part of the normal 2.0 featuers or will this be part of the "small upgrade free " for the ipod touch users

Yes i've been wondering that. They've said they want to reach as many people as possible with the store, but previously they've also talked about the need for the 'notional' fee because of their accounts. Of course they could do like they did with the 802.11n upgrades and charge a tiny amount (less than $2 say). Or they could allow downloading of apps from iTunes, but charge the fee if you want the on-device store.

[iamse7en]

Highly Unlikely. I see a June 30th NIGHT launch.

[sfroom]

lol. MUST... RESIST! But won't we have to pay for the 2.0 firmware upgrade?

Maybe I'm extrapolating a little too loosely...but I think that App Store = firmware 2.0.

So. If you order your iMac + iPod touch AFTER the announcement of 2.0, and ASSUMING that they either don't alter the Model # of the iPod touches, or do modify the back-to-school special, it's conceivable that iPods ordered with the promotion on or after monday will come with firmware 2.0 installed, free of charge (similar to what happened in January).

[rendezvouscp]

Arn, are you post/iPhone happy? A source at a software company said they’re preparing for a Monday release? Yes, we developers are preparing for a Monday release just in case the app store does launch on Monday. A number of us want to be on the store as soon as we possibly can, and Monday is the closest date that looks possible.

Sorry to be pissy about it.

[Mr Maui]

I wonder if the new app store will have this really great game ... Pong, I think it's called. :eek::D

[abijnk]

CNet reports (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9958320-37.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5)

Ehem... ^^^

Arn, are you post/iPhone happy? A source at a software company said they’re preparing for a Monday release? Yes, we developers are preparing for a Monday release just in case the app store does launch on Monday. A number of us want to be on the store as soon as we possibly can, and Monday is the closest date that looks possible.

Why is it that people feel the need to insult Arn about rumors he posts on HIS RUMORS SITE???? CNET broke the story, not Arn...

I, for one, would expect this to be true, especially if the 3G iPhone is available immediately.

[radiogod69]

hmm,

iVid- video conference?
iGPS- for use with google?

[/dev/toaster]

Not likely. We'll see a 1.x update including AppStore, and then in a month get the full 2.0.

I hope we'll see the full 2.0, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

Maybe I am just talking out my arse, but it seems like 2.0 is a mostly rewrite of 1.x. I have heard that the APIs are cleaned up compared to what was previous. Lets face it, they didn't have much time to get 1.x to Apples normal level of standards (From a backend perspective)

To me, it seems strange and problematic if they were to have 2 separate code bases for this project. Although quite possible that some features won't make 2.0 and will be released later.

[rendezvouscp]

Ehem... ^^^

Why is it that people feel the need to insult Arn about rumors he posts on HIS RUMORS SITE???? CNET broke the story, not Arn...

CNet and Arn can post whatever they want. If I insulted you, Arn, my apologies. I just think that it’s a little bit ridiculous that this got to the front page when there’s really not a story (it’s a no-brainer that developers are preparing for a possible Monday release when the keynote is on Monday).

[ArtOfWarfare]

iGPS- for use with google?

No, it'll be called Core GPS.

[mambodancer]

The release of the app store implies a new version of iTunes. Wonder what new features (other than the apps store of course) we might see in this new version?

[Fonzijr1964]

Crap! I have to review for a final on Monday to and I have to stay until 8pm!

:((

High school sucks

But..I'm so happy for the 2.0 software release!!! :D:D:D:D

yeah I have finals monday and i just posted on page one of this thread about how i wont be able to watch the WWDC goodness live:mad:

Wait until you get into the real world (a.k.a, the work force). ;)

yeah u could take the day off

[phinnaeus]

In my opinion, this points to a soon-after-announcement launch day. And that makes me happy.

And damnit, when I say SOON I mean TUESDAY.
Or Monday at 6pm.

edit: please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please

[Bob Loblaw]

In my opinion, this points to a soon-after-announcement launch day. And that makes me happy.

And damnit, when I say SOON I mean TUESDAY.
Or Monday at 6pm.

I'm gonna be out of town Monday, but near an AT&T. 1/2 of me wants a Monday launch, and half a Tuesday. But then Tuesday I have a jorb interview.

I'm leaning more towards Monday.

[Fonzijr1964]

Yes i've been wondering that. They've said they want to reach as many people as possible with the store, but previously they've also talked about the need for the 'notional' fee because of their accounts. Of course they could do like they did with the 802.11n upgrades and charge a tiny amount (less than $2 say). Or they could allow downloading of apps from iTunes, but charge the fee if you want the on-device store.

yeah um impossible the 2.0 software is necessary to run the apps so if they did it with a 1.x it would be well nothing more than a way to download the apps. And yes the 2.0 upgrade will cost money for iPod Touch users, and the apps the developers want to cost money will and the others will not.

[Doodledoo]

I think we'll see a final SDK and a launch of the announced iTunes-based downloads, but probably not iPhone OS 2.0 until the 3G iPhone ships (my target date: at the latest Friday the 27th). Who knows, it might just be released on a Tuesday.

In my opinion, the new iPhone will have the glossy plastic back, be a little bit thicker, bring us UMTS 3G (HSDPA) and built-in GPS, possibly a camera with 3 or 5 MPx and maybe a video camera. And I do think OS 2.0 would be on track for the release date of the new iPhone. Which'll be the 27th. A final SDK is assured now for WWDC. I mean, come on, it is the Developer's Conference, now isn't it?

[twoodcc]

well we'll see monday. i hope it's true, but i'll believe it when i see it

[Telp]

Probably because someone who thinks it will be a buggy release because its earlier than expected.

Or maybe, they worked so hard so that it wouldn't be a late release, that they are weeks above schedule, and they are ready to release it with the 2nd iPhone.

Or maybe they expected it to be due now, but said late June so that if they didn't release it at WWDC, no one could complain that it would be late.

[Marc4]

Think about this, guys.

It's possible that the 3G iPhone (running iPhone OS version 2.0) comes out on Monday, and since the App Store is included in 2.0, it must be ready for the June 9 launch.

However, Apple doesn't have to release the 2.0 upgrade to existing iPhone users until later in June, making the previous statement of "late June release" a reality.

So, it's possible that both versions of the stories are true.
Or, an even simpler possibility is that the 3G iPhone is announced next week, with availability in late June - concurrent with the release of 2.0 firmware.

-Marc

[macintel4me]

I say no way this is true unless it is only a selected number of hand-picked apps by Steve. Typically with any platform, there is a way for third parties to beta test software. iPhone SDK beta testing is a violation of Apple's NDA. I expect an "App Store Beta Department" or something like that. There is no way that Steve would allow a herd of untested software onto his device of perfection. Won't happen.

[JAYGEE]

The release of the app store implies a new version of iTunes. Wonder what new features (other than the apps store of course) we might see in this new version?

I think iTunes 7.7 will be out around the WWDC time, then iTunes 7.7.1 will be released to fix the bugs in 7.7 ;)

[Zeegler]

What does everyone think about the June 9th date? Will the new 3G iPhones be available in the Apple store on June 9th? They haven't had any stock of the old since May 9th...what's the point of not making sales on ANY iPhones until end of June?

Also, I may be watching the keynote streaming from inside a store. Has anyone been in a store during a live product release? How does that work?

[Delirium39]

I'm hoping this isn't true at all. As a developer, it's very annoying to have the release date pulled forward, and have my app not be ready in time for the store to open. The SDK is still in beta, and there have been changes to the API with each beta version, which breaks previously working code. Plus, the majority of people developing apps with the SDK still do not have the ability to even test on an iPhone, just the simulator. A lot of us are still waiting for permission, due to the limited number of people they're letting in for the beta period.

Setting aside my annoyance at possibly losing out on an initial buying frenzy for my app, I really don't want a store filled with barely tested, beta SDK based, apps. The responsible thing to do would be to announce the SDK is final, and everyone can sign up to test on the iPhone on the 9th, and then open up the submission process for putting your app on the app store, which should go live at the end of June. That would give everyone a bunch more apps to download, with hopefully a much higher quality level.

[lazyrighteye]

Heh.

I can't recall Apple/Steve giving us everything we thought was coming.
And with the rumors that are flying around I just can't see 3G, GPS, vid chat, App Store, AND a massive .mac overhaul announced in one Stevenote. No way. If so, that would easily make for the most epic 'note to date.

Something's got to give.
What will it be?

That said, I'm 100% supportive of said epic Stevenote.

[JAYGEE]

Think about this, guys.

It's possible that the 3G iPhone (running iPhone OS version 2.0) comes out on Monday, and since the App Store is included in 2.0, it must be ready for the June 9 launch.

However, Apple doesn't have to release the 2.0 upgrade to existing iPhone users until later in June, making the previous statement of "late June release" a reality.

So, it's possible that both versions of the stories are true.
Or, an even simpler possibility is that the 3G iPhone is announced next week, with availability in late June - concurrent with the release of 2.0 firmware.

-Marc

Why would they release the 2.0 software on 3G iPhones, but not release the 2.0 software for the older iPhones until later in the month? :confused:

[Outcast-au]

It will be interesting to see how much the 2.0 upgrade for existing users is. I cannot wait ... interesting times.

[inkswamp]

Why is it that people feel the need to insult Arn about rumors he posts on HIS RUMORS SITE???? CNET broke the story, not Arn...

Likewise, if he didn't post it, there would be people bitching about how MacRumors isn't posting the most up-to-date rumors. :rolleyes:

Arn, I'd like you to meet my two friends: rock and hard place.

[kavika411]

I am confident Apple will figure out a way to release neither 2.0 nor the App Store on Monday. No doubt they will release some trinket of an app simply through iTunes, like the games they've been selling for so long, just to show something off. Nothing more.

[berkleeboy210]

I'm hoping for a Friday the 13th iPhone (Hardware) release.

[Delirium39]

I am confident Apple will figure out a way to release neither 2.0 nor the App Store on Monday. No doubt they will release some trinket of an app simply through iTunes, like the games they've been selling for so long, just to show something off. Nothing more.

My prediction:

Steve will play to the developer crowd first, and everyone else second. He'll announce the SDK is final, and everyone can develop freely. He'll discuss the simple way to upload an app, and the process in which it will be accepted for the store. He'll go into the pricing and payment structure, as well as user feedback and dot releases. The launch date will be June 30th. He'll then introduce the new iPhone, with firmware 2.0, both to be released today. And finally, one more thing: the new Macbook Pro.

[Motocrosseli]

You know what this means right?!?!? New iPhone update on Monday= Early iPhone release!!! I guess the rumors are right about the new iPhone coming out sometime soon and not at the end of June.... Well lets hope so.. According to the 60 day prediction is actually lands on Monday the first day of WWDC 2008! Then say hello to iPhone 3G some time in June."NOT LATE JUNE, I hope!"
:apple:

[EagerDragon]

Now come on. Who didn't expect this :D

Uncle Steve always has something up his sleeve.

Well it looks like AT&T headquarters was not expecting this (assuming report is correct (immediate availability on Monday)).

AT&T canceled vacations starting 6/15 not 6/9. So either this rumor is inaccurate or AT&T does not know their #$$ from a hole in the ground.

[Motocrosseli]

Exactly!

AGREED!! 100% True....

[RustyM]

I am confident Apple will figure out a way to release neither 2.0 nor the App Store on Monday. No doubt they will release some trinket of an app simply through iTunes, like the games they've been selling for so long, just to show something off. Nothing more.

Hmm, seems plausible, but I wonder if the infrastructure is in place to support purchased, downloadable apps without the 2.0 update or if the new apps require the 2.0 OS run properly.

[Niiro13]

Wait, wait...Apple releasing something early?

Dang.

Then again, I don't go on "by the end of June." I'm going on what the screen said behind Steve Jobs =P. "Late June"

[Steve Jobs=God]

I wonder if there will be a delay between the 2.0 software launch and having it built into the iPhone/iPod Touch.

Well as shocking as it might seem, but Steve won't announce it, click his fingers and BOOM! all unsold touches/iPhones still in a store room, warehouse etc will magically have it uploaded onto them. :p

Will probably be the same turnaround as new macs coming preinstalled with leopard, which if memory serves me correct, was a few months

[EagerDragon]

Hey guys, awesome news......But how the hell did this story get a negative????? There is nothing worrying or bad in it at all!!! I really wana see a story which has no negatives! :eek:

Ballmer voted

[phalewhale]

Well it looks like AT&T headquarters was not expecting this (assuming report is correct (immediate availability on Monday)).

AT&T canceled vacations starting 6/15 not 6/9. So either this rumor is inaccurate or AT&T does not know their #$$ from a hole in the ground.

Oh yeah... I forgot about that memo...something aint right and I bet it's the monday release... :(

[aaronsullivan]

Like another developer on here, I'm highly skeptical.

Since you can go right here and look:
http://developer.apple.com/iphone/

I guess it's not breaking NDA to say... the SDK is still in Beta!

This sounds like a reporter at CNET got excited when a developer mentioned they were preparing feverishly for Monday. Well... this could be because they are concerned (like me) that Apple will pull a fast one and move the target date for developers from "end of June" to beginning of June. It could also be that the developer is high profile and may have an app demoed during the keynote. You'd better believe I'd be working without sleep if that was me.

Personally, I'm hoping the last day of June or maybe later. I'd love more time. Seems from rumors and such, I won't be so fortunate.

[Matt342]

There is no way the new iPhones are coming out on Monday. Apple will just announce them with a release on June 27th.

I'm sure that the iPhone 2.0 firmware won't RTM until WWDC. Then they're gonna mass produce the iPhone with the new firmware and release it in 3 weeks.

~matt

[Shadowriver]

No, it'll be called Core GPS.

Emmm... you mean Core Location ;>

[AceFernalld]

Wait... there was some doubt regarding this?

I thought it was so obvious that it just didn't need to be mentioned.

I think "by the end of June" was the date they said just so they could have 3 weeks without criticism in the event they weren't able to launch the app store at the time they wanted.
That is EXACTLY my thoughts on the "end of June" thing. On the Keynote slide show it said "end of June" BUT Steve Jobs himself said "in June" while the slide was up. I want my 2.0 a few hours after WWDC, and I think I might just get it! Hoorah!

(Lmao, I'm such a fanboy :p)

[corywoolf]

Anyone else think the mobile iTunes Store will see a big update to allow downloads of apps directly to the iPhone/ iPod Touch, also video would be a nice add to the mobile store.

[Mugs]

Ballmer voted

ahhhh I get it now! hehe:p

[joneill55]

My MS Exchange Server address eargerly wait-ith 2.0 arrival!

[berkleeboy210]

Anyone else think the mobile iTunes Store will see a big update to allow downloads of apps directly to the iPhone/ iPod Touch, also video would be a nice add to the mobile store.

I'm personally HOPING they make the Mobile iTunes store available Over the Air.

Very rarely am I in a WiFi hotspot when I'm out and about with the Phone. I'd love just to be able to even BROWSE the store without being on Wifi.

I mean a song is only 3 to 4 megabytes. I think they'd get a ton more sales if they allowed it OTA

I've probably only used the store once or twice. because of that very reason.

[JosephEsquivel]

im sellin my ipod saturday, so i really hope the new iphone comes out next week or im out of music for awhile

[nlivo]

I think this is the only stevenote that i have seen where there is this much confusion as to what/when the stuff will be released. What I am thinking is that the new iPhone will be RELEASED during steves keynote (I think this because of apple's huge shipments from china to the US a couple of weeks ago), but it will come with 1.1.5. This 1.1.5 update will go to all the iphones the people currently have and the new 3G ones. Then I think the 2.0 software will come out at the "end of june" (my reason for thinking that is because of AT&T's schedule thingy). Am i wrong? Do you guys think apple would be crazy releasing the new 3G iPhone without the 2.0 software?

[TwinCities Dan]

Im hoping its like the games for iPods - that way my partner and I can share our apps without having to buy them more than once.

AARRGGG, Me Matey's! I spy a Pirate (Pointin' with a sword)

;) :D

[carlitol]

Does anyone know how to find out what is up on the 9th? Will there be a webcast or on TV? Is there some where on the web to watch postings?
Thanks? :confused:

[radiogod69]

Does anyone know how to find out what is up on the 9th? Will there be a webcast or on TV? Is there some where on the web to watch postings?
Thanks? :confused:

certain website(s) will have a live video stream but I can't recall that website at this time.

[berkleeboy210]

Does anyone know how to find out what is up on the 9th? Will there be a webcast or on TV? Is there some where on the web to watch postings?
Thanks? :confused:

Macrumors has live *text* coverage, as do all of the other big tech news sites (Gizmodo, Engadget etc.)

Also, Leo Laporte will be doing some video coverage from his studio providing commentary etc and then interviews with people from his team who are actually at WWDC following the Keynote... at http://twitlive.tv

Can't wait for Monday.

[jmadlena]

The release of the app store implies a new version of iTunes. Wonder what new features (other than the apps store of course) we might see in this new version?

I'm hoping that it will be more than that; thinking iTunes 8. iTunes 7 has been around for a very long time, and it still carbon based for goodness sake. I think iTunes is one of the lowest quality Apple apps, and could really use a redo.

It is just so messy in my opinion, also slow to open. iTunes needs a new face, and body for that matter.

[Merlosso]

I'm hoping this isn't true at all. As a developer, it's very annoying to have the release date pulled forward, and have my app not be ready in time for the store to open. The SDK is still in beta, and there have been changes to the API with each beta version, which breaks previously working code. Plus, the majority of people developing apps with the SDK still do not have the ability to even test on an iPhone, just the simulator. A lot of us are still waiting for permission, due to the limited number of people they're letting in for the beta period.

Setting aside my annoyance at possibly losing out on an initial buying frenzy for my app, I really don't want a store filled with barely tested, beta SDK based, apps. The responsible thing to do would be to announce the SDK is final, and everyone can sign up to test on the iPhone on the 9th, and then open up the submission process for putting your app on the app store, which should go live at the end of June. That would give everyone a bunch more apps to download, with hopefully a much higher quality level.

Let me start by saying that I hope I am wrong. I want a 3G iPhone and I want one now. That being said, it's not coming on 6/9.

First, this guy in the quote above has an incredibly strong point and it seems to have been mostly overlooked. There's no way the 2.0 firmware and appstore will be available as of the keynote on Tuesday. The SDK has to be final and developers need to test and submit their apps. Would Steve really tell everyone, "The 2.0 firmware is available now and the AppStore is open now! Go upgrade right now! Oh, by the way, there is nothing available at the AppStore yet. Give it a few weeks because we still need to give the developers the final SDK, there needs to be some testing, yada, yada, yada, apps should be available by the end of the month."

Second, AT&T has a freeze on vacation starting 6/15. Why would they allow everyone to go on vacation the week of the iPhone launch, then tell them they can't go on vacation starting the week after the launch?

Third, AT&T is hiring temps that start on 6/16. Why would they allow their employees to go on vacation the week of the iPhone launch, then require everyone to work, along with a group of temps, the second week of the release?

Third, if the new iPhone was to be released on Monday, they would have to arrive in the stores on Saturday or Monday morning at the very, very latest. That leaves no time to unbox the phones, receive them into the store's inventory, and have them ready for sale, let alone prep the staff (who's on vacation) of the features of the phone so they can answer customer questions.

Fourth, delivering boxes of new iPhones to the AT&T stores and Apple stores on Saturday or even early Monday morning would result in leaked photos, feature lists, etc. With all the hype for the new phone, it is incredibly unlikely that Apple is willing to ship the phones to the stores and just trust that all of those employees will follow the "DO NOT OPEN UNTIL STEVE SAYS SO DURING THE KEYNOTE on 6/9" stickers on the box.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. There's an AT&T store across the street from me at work. I'll be following the live blog of the keynote and if he announces they are immediately available I'll run over there, buy the phone, then go straight back to work and post here that I was wrong.

[macfan881]

Yes i've been wondering that. They've said they want to reach as many people as possible with the store, but previously they've also talked about the need for the 'notional' fee because of their accounts. Of course they could do like they did with the 802.11n upgrades and charge a tiny amount (less than $2 say). Or they could allow downloading of apps from iTunes, but charge the fee if you want the on-device store.

yeah but i fell the small fee will most likely be the pushmaill and all that good stuff

[carlitol]

How will it be possible for Apple to release the new iphone on the same day as the keynote address? The logistics must be mind boggling. :rolleyes:

[macfan881]

Yes i've been wondering that. They've said they want to reach as many people as possible with the store, but previously they've also talked about the need for the 'notional' fee because of their accounts. Of course they could do like they did with the 802.11n upgrades and charge a tiny amount (less than $2 say). Or they could allow downloading of apps from iTunes, but charge the fee if you want the on-device store.

Let me start by saying that I hope I am wrong. I want a 3G iPhone and I want one now. That being said, it's not coming on 6/9.

First, this guy in the quote above has an incredibly strong point and it seems to have been mostly overlooked. There's no way the 2.0 firmware and appstore will be available as of the keynote on Tuesday. The SDK has to be final and developers need to test and submit their apps. Would Steve really tell everyone, "The 2.0 firmware is available now and the AppStore is open now! Go upgrade right now! Oh, by the way, there is nothing available at the AppStore yet. Give it a few weeks because we still need to give the developers the final SDK, there needs to be some testing, yada, yada, yada, apps should be available by the end of the month."

Second, AT&T has a freeze on vacation starting 6/15. Why would they allow everyone to go on vacation the week of the iPhone launch, then tell them they can't go on vacation starting the week after the launch?

Third, AT&T is hiring temps that start on 6/16. Why would they allow their employees to go on vacation the week of the iPhone launch, then require everyone to work, along with a group of temps, the second week of the release?

Third, if the new iPhone was to be released on Monday, they would have to arrive in the stores on Saturday or Monday morning at the very, very latest. That leaves no time to unbox the phones, receive them into the store's inventory, and have them ready for sale, let alone prep the staff (who's on vacation) of the features of the phone so they can answer customer questions.

Fourth, delivering boxes of new iPhones to the AT&T stores and Apple stores on Saturday or even early Monday morning would result in leaked photos, feature lists, etc. With all the hype for the new phone, it is incredibly unlikely that Apple is willing to ship the phones to the stores and just trust that all of those employees will follow the "DO NOT OPEN UNTIL STEVE SAYS SO DURING THE KEYNOTE on 6/9" stickers on the box.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. There's an AT&T store across the street from me at work. I'll be following the live blog of the keynote and if he announces they are immediately available I'll run over there, buy the phone, then go straight back to work and post here that I was wrong.

yes but that doesnt mean the firmware has to come out the exact day there are thousands of ipod touch and iphone users out that can go ahead and update you do not have to have the update go out with the 3g iphone all steve has to say oh yeah and were pre shiping 2.0 on all 3g iphones and future iphones and ipod touches

[born4sky]

duh ....

[SirOmega]

Wow, would I be hosed, my apps no where near done! I need every minute between now and June 27th.

Still I highly doubt it. Maybe the 2.0 firmware would be released, but I wouldn't expect that because they haven't announced a "final" SDK. That is what I expect at WWDC. So developers have from June 9th to the 27th to get their app done and ready for the 2.0 firmware

[akac]

Arn, are you post/iPhone happy? A source at a software company said they’re preparing for a Monday release? Yes, we developers are preparing for a Monday release just in case the app store does launch on Monday. A number of us want to be on the store as soon as we possibly can, and Monday is the closest date that looks possible.

Sorry to be pissy about it.

I *hope* its not on Monday. I'll be at WWDC and we are developing iPhone apps, but you know, being in the mobile development field for 8 years now I do not feel comfortable releasing apps with an SDK that is *still* changing as of beta 6, that has not had any ability to do testing on a FINAL SDK, nor with any real users in a private or public beta test. Some things can work on that model like games or such. Even if they release the final SDK at WWDC and have 2.0 ready by then, I hope they don't open the store for at least 2-3 weeks so that we can actually test on final OSs.

Usually with my other mobile work I've had about 3 months to test with a final SDK, though I'm not asking for that. I'm just saying that releasing software on day 1 for an OS whose SDK has changed on each beta rev seems foolhardy if that day 1 is next week.

[akac]

There is no way that Steve would allow a herd of untested software onto his device of perfection. Won't happen.

Bingo. I hope so...

[tjpoch]

So if 2.0 comes out Monday how long will it take for it to be unlocked & released? Any word yet if somethings won't work unlocked? Like the App Store?

[rendezvouscp]

I *hope* its not on Monday. I'll be at WWDC and we are developing iPhone apps, but you know, being in the mobile development field for 8 years now I do not feel comfortable releasing apps with an SDK that is *still* changing as of beta 6, that has not had any ability to do testing on a FINAL SDK, nor with any real users in a private or public beta test. Some things can work on that model like games or such. Even if they release the final SDK at WWDC and have 2.0 ready by then, I hope they don't open the store for at least 2-3 weeks so that we can actually test on final OSs.

Usually with my other mobile work I've had about 3 months to test with a final SDK, though I'm not asking for that. I'm just saying that releasing software on day 1 for an OS whose SDK has changed on each beta rev seems foolhardy if that day 1 is next week.

I’m right there with you. I don’t want the app store to be open on Monday either. Some of us (*cough*me*cough) haven’t even been accepted into the $99 developer program! Here’s hoping for at least a final SDK on Monday.

[Awaken]

What does everyone think about the June 9th date? Will the new 3G iPhones be available in the Apple store on June 9th? They haven't had any stock of the old since May 9th...what's the point of not making sales on ANY iPhones until end of June?

Also, I may be watching the keynote streaming from inside a store. Has anyone been in a store during a live product release? How does that work?

The majority of Apple's revenue does not come from IPhones so indeed they may be loosing some it isnt enough to even dent them.

:apple:

[xhambonex]

So if 2.0 comes out Monday how long will it take for it to be unlocked & released? Any word yet if somethings won't work unlocked? Like the App Store?

Well, I would think at least a week after someone can actually download 2.0 to an iphone or ipod touch. So expect July...

[tom1971]

I am very curious to see what those guys pull out of their sleeve..

[TwinCities Dan]

Third, if the new iPhone was to be released on Monday, they would have to arrive in the stores on Saturday or Monday morning at the very, very latest. That leaves no time to unbox the phones, receive them into the store's inventory, and have them ready for sale, let alone prep the staff (who's on vacation) of the features of the phone so they can answer customer questions.


That doesn't mean it couldn't be announced Mon and released a few weeks later, no? :confused: ;) :D

[B. Hunter]

I think we will see the programs demoed this past February made available for the public on Monday.
In addition, are there any other developers that had programs ready which were not shown during the 3P SDK announcement? Remember Apple asked developers/companies to create something on short notice.

As others have said. The flood gates will open later this month for other applications.

Will someone out there please develop a PDF reader and eReader for my Touch. Please!

[SirROM]

1. iPhone 3G announced and released next week (hopefully Monday)
2. It will have Phone OS X 2.0 installed
3. Phone OS X 2.0 (and final SDK) will be released for everyone on Monday
4. Some apps showcased in March and on Monday will come preinstalled in Phone OS X 2.0 or available through iTunes 8.0 if desired
5. iTunes 8.0 will also be released Monday (required for Phone OS X 2.0)
6. Phone OS X 2.0 will have the App Store installed, but not active until late June

This will put new hardware and OS in everyone's hands and still give developers a chance to finalize their applications and get them to Apple in time for another “Big Launch” in 3 weeks when the App Store goes online. Apple gets lots of buzz about the phone and OS, plus keeps everyone in anticipation of what new goodies will be available at the end of the month. People can purchase the new iPhone and know that extra value will be added within a very short time and still get to play with the hardware goodies while waiting.

Everyone wins!

[kornyboy]

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Bring on the 2.0 firmware and the App Store. I can hardly wait for the new features.

[istealth]

Maybe this is one of those rumors that Apple does to throw people off. If so that is very sick of them to make us think it would come off sooner than expected. :confused:

[istealth]

However I really can't wait for 2.0 :D... I thought I would never make it till June after the initial announcement earlier this year.

[Merlosso]

It just doesn't make sense to me, from a marketing perspective, to release the 2.0 firmware for current iPhones and then release the 3G phone later. The AppStore will be part of a new version of iTunes, so the store would be open, all iTunes users would see that it is open, but people that want an iPhone could not buy one.

Others have said this before; from a marketing point of view, any company would want to "sell" new firmware along with new hardware. The idea is to make customers feel that to truly appreciate the new features, you will want the latest and greatest hardware all in one package.

Consider this; Apple releases 2.0 firmware and opens the AppStore on Monday but the 3G iPhone will not be available until 6/27. What would the advertising look like?

iPhone AppStore NOW OPEN! Come buy applications for your iPhone!
AppStore open only for current first generation iPhone owners. First generation iPhones are out of stock and will not be re-stocked. The new 3G iPhone will not be available for a few more weeks.

That doesn't mean it couldn't be announced Mon and released a few weeks later, no? :confused: ;) :D

That's exactly what I think will happen. It will be announced on Monday but will not be released until later. I'm feeling like the 20th will be the release day, but that is just my theory. Only time will tell.

[bytethese]

Arn, are you post/iPhone happy? A source at a software company said they’re preparing for a Monday release? Yes, we developers are preparing for a Monday release just in case the app store does launch on Monday. A number of us want to be on the store as soon as we possibly can, and Monday is the closest date that looks possible.

Sorry to be pissy about it.

Hell, some of us are ready for manual release we're so excited about this new iPhone!

[dicklacara]

No, it'll be called Core GPS.

I think CoreLocation is the term Apple uses.

[bytethese]

Let me start by saying that I hope I am wrong. I want a 3G iPhone and I want one now. That being said, it's not coming on 6/9.

First, this guy in the quote above has an incredibly strong point and it seems to have been mostly overlooked. There's no way the 2.0 firmware and appstore will be available as of the keynote on Tuesday. The SDK has to be final and developers need to test and submit their apps. Would Steve really tell everyone, "The 2.0 firmware is available now and the AppStore is open now! Go upgrade right now! Oh, by the way, there is nothing available at the AppStore yet. Give it a few weeks because we still need to give the developers the final SDK, there needs to be some testing, yada, yada, yada, apps should be available by the end of the month."

Second, AT&T has a freeze on vacation starting 6/15. Why would they allow everyone to go on vacation the week of the iPhone launch, then tell them they can't go on vacation starting the week after the launch?

Third, AT&T is hiring temps that start on 6/16. Why would they allow their employees to go on vacation the week of the iPhone launch, then require everyone to work, along with a group of temps, the second week of the release?

Third, if the new iPhone was to be released on Monday, they would have to arrive in the stores on Saturday or Monday morning at the very, very latest. That leaves no time to unbox the phones, receive them into the store's inventory, and have them ready for sale, let alone prep the staff (who's on vacation) of the features of the phone so they can answer customer questions.

Fourth, delivering boxes of new iPhones to the AT&T stores and Apple stores on Saturday or even early Monday morning would result in leaked photos, feature lists, etc. With all the hype for the new phone, it is incredibly unlikely that Apple is willing to ship the phones to the stores and just trust that all of those employees will follow the "DO NOT OPEN UNTIL STEVE SAYS SO DURING THE KEYNOTE on 6/9" stickers on the box.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. There's an AT&T store across the street from me at work. I'll be following the live blog of the keynote and if he announces they are immediately available I'll run over there, buy the phone, then go straight back to work and post here that I was wrong.

Because they will only announce it next week and the phone will be for sale later, most likely June 16th? :) I can confirm that AT&T is staffing some temps as my fiancee works at a staffing agency here in NYC and has told me they are filling temp positions for AT&T.

[dicklacara]

AARRGGG, Me Matey's! I spy a Pirate (Pointin' with a sword)

;) :D

Don't start that pirate stuff again-- remember this classic MR post from a while back:

"I want to be a pirate again. I hated to leave my shipmate's behind."

[Merlosso]

Because they will only announce it next week and the phone will be for sale later, most likely June 16th? :) I can confirm that AT&T is staffing some temps as my fiancee works at a staffing agency here in NYC and has told me they are filling temp positions for AT&T.

I hope you're right about the 16th; I wouldn't complain. :) I think it's more likely to be the 20th though. With the vacation freeze starting on the 15th and temps starting on the 16th (if I'm right about that date) then it would make sense that training will take place that week. Not everyone will work everyday, and the stores won't be closed for training, so it makes sense that everyone will get trained at some point that week for a Friday release.

Can your wife confirm the start date for the temps? Is it the 16th?

[bytethese]

I hope you're right about the 16th; I wouldn't complain. :) I think it's more likely to be the 20th though. With the vacation freeze starting on the 15th and temps starting on the 16th (if I'm right about that date) then it would make sense that training will take place that week. Not everyone will work everyday, and the stores won't be closed for training, so it makes sense that everyone will get trained at some point that week for a Friday release.

Can your wife confirm the start date for the temps? Is it the 16th?

I don't have a wife yet but I'll ask my fiancee and get back to you. :)

[bytethese]

Hey Merlosso,

From my fiancee:
Start between 6/9 and 6/16 and continue through 8/18. We are still
actively screening candidates.

So if some start on 6/6, it's POSSIBLE they will be ready for a 6/9/08 release. Hmmm, very interesting. :)

[Merlosso]

Hey Merlosso,

From my fiancee:
Start between 6/9 and 6/16 and continue through 8/18. We are still
actively screening candidates.

So if some start on 6/6, it's POSSIBLE they will be ready for a 6/9/08 release. Hmmm, very interesting. :)

Very interesting indeed. Thanks for the info.

Oh, and, uh, sorry about referring to your fiance your wife. :o I just have a really strong feeling about you guys and in my eye's you're already married. ;)

[Awaken]

I hope you're right about the 16th; I wouldn't complain. :) I think it's more likely to be the 20th though. With the vacation freeze starting on the 15th and temps starting on the 16th (if I'm right about that date) then it would make sense that training will take place that week. Not everyone will work everyday, and the stores won't be closed for training, so it makes sense that everyone will get trained at some point that week for a Friday release.

Can your wife confirm the start date for the temps? Is it the 16th?

In regards to the training, a friend of mine is a manager at an Apple store and for the last IPHONE they had him come in at five in the morning on the release date for "training."

[aus0503]

I have been trying to make up my mind on if I should buy iPhone for the past year.
After reading about the 3G that will hopefully come out soon (Monday) I have decided to finally get one. Could anyone out there give me some input on a few things if Jobs talks about it Monday:

-If you think it will be available immediately after WWDC?
-Will it be somewhat possible to get upon release?
-Best place to get one (AT&T, Apple Store, Apple Online)?!!!!
-Price?

Thanks!

[abrooks]

Wait until you get into the real world (a.k.a, the work force). ;)

You can take a day off? :D

[Rictaino]

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yeeeee!!!!

[TwinCities Dan]

Don't start that pirate stuff again-- remember this classic MR post from a while back:

"I want to be a pirate again. I hated to leave my shipmate's behind."

Uhhh...no, sorry I'm still a newbie. :o

Anyways, I was just bein' silly (beers were flowin') :)

Kids, don't drink and post

[laurenty]

I just synched my iPhone and iPod Classic and forced a 'Check for Update'
Of course I already have the current firmware versions for both, but iTunes is saying that it will check again on 6/9/08. Doesn't it usually check again in a week? (which should have been 6/12/08). Could this mean that all iPods are also getting a fw update on monday? iTunes 8 coming out?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_5luqXup0KSo/SEgpv1YjWzI/AAAAAAAACqQ/6bK15RdqJsM/s1600-h/iphone_wwdc.jpg

[appleii2mac]

Hell, some of us are ready for manual release we're so excited about this new iPhone!

lol

Although that is kind of disturbing.....

[ArtOfWarfare]

I think CoreLocation is the term Apple uses.

Oh, I actually made that up.

lol

I guess I've been following Apple news long enough now to know how they'll name their products :)

...

Mobile Me will not be the name. It's going to be iCore:apple:X