iPhone Patent Application Surfaces: IM, Blogging App, Video Conferencing, More

[MacRumors]

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The US Patent and Trademark Office has recently published an extensive patent application, seemingly for the 3G iPhone and software version 2.0, both now expected to be released next Monday.

The device supports a variety of applications, such as one or more of the following: a telephone application, a video conferencing application, an e-mail application, an instant messaging application, a blogging application, a photo management application, a digital camera application, a digital video camera application, a web browsing application, a digital music player application, and/or a digital video player application.

Also detailed in the application is support for inline media, including Flash and Windows Media.

Among the 25 inventors listed is Apple CEO Steve Jobs.

Raw Data: Patent Application 20080122796 (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20080122796&OS=20080122796&RS=20080122796)


Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/04/3g-iphone-patent-application-surfaces-im-blogging-app-video-conferencing-mor/)

[Mykbibby]

Yes! This is what I've been waiting for! Video Conferencing!!!!!

I still think it would be funny if this new phone came out, with all that stuff, and no 3G. Absolute forum chaos!


I wasn't going to be able to get it (money doesn't grow on trees), but I put my phone on eBay with a Buy it Now of 450 dollars, and it sold in the first day! Used!!!

All I can say is that If ATT subsidizes, I am going to be one happy fanboy...

[Sayer]

They do that kind of all-inclusive filing to cover any possible future plans that may/may not ever happen so they can protect their work. Means very little until a product actually ships.

[Santa Rosa]

Updates will be made as we continue to investigate this large patent

Good luck with that!!! Have already tried to sift through it, was on AppleInsider on Monday. Its a big ass document!!!

Link for article (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/02/all_encompassing_iphone_patent_filing_hints_at_gps_video_chat.html)

[sunfast]

If half of this comes to fruition in the 3G iPhone then wow. Just wow. :)

[pc.Pwner]

I really hope they have an iphone model without the video conferencing, unless its a free addition to the unlimited data of the iphone plans. I dont want to pay extra for a feature im never going to use. All I can say to the video recording is YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

[twoodcc]

now this will be great! can't wait til monday!

[phalewhale]

Good luck with that!!! Have already tried to sift through it, was on AppleInsider on Monday. Its a big ass document!!!

Link for article (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/02/all_encompassing_iphone_patent_filing_hints_at_gps_video_chat.html)

I'll second that... It sure is a big ass document. I'll leave the reading to more inclined folk. Just ship the flamin thing on Monday!!!

[bucksatan731]

If you look at the image in the patent the notable Applications I see are...

GPS Module(136)
Video Conference Module(139)
Instant Messaging Module(141)
Blogging Module(143)
Search Module(151)

HOLY CRAP!!!!!


Oh and

"an optical sensor is located on the front of the device so that the user's image may be obtained for videoconferencing while the user views the other video conference participants on the touch screen display"
and thats a quote from the patent

[brockumpodness]

Everyone simmer down... we have *sleep to catch up on before Monday! Can I get an AMEN???

[italiano40]

I can't wait for this release

[hypermark]

Like others, I see this type of filing as the 'throw in the kitchen sink' because you never know what you might build down the road.

At the same time, the breadth/depth of these filings also forces you/me to wonder what the end-goal is in carving out patent real estate in so many of the application spaces relevant to the iPhone Universe.

Is it a land grab and attempt to create (patent) toll roads throughout iPhone Universe or just protection against a would-be competitor outflanking Apple and establishing barriers against them and their developer ecosystem?

I posted on this topic recently:

Upward Mobility, Land Grabs and the iPhone Universe
http://thenetworkgarden.com/weblog/2008/05/upward-mobility.html

Check it out if interested.

Mark

[DMann]

These features will very likely make it to the iPhone 2. The Nano model will probably not include GPS, or video conferencing, keeping it slimmer and less expensive than the full featured ones. Only 4 days to go..................... :D

[Auzburner]

It seems the video conferencing is the ONLY thing the original version of the iPhone won't be able to do... the rest can come in a software update. I suppose it might be able to perform video conferencing, but it would be very awkward to hold the phone backwards without being able to see yourself (not to mention the trouble the EDGE would have with video)...

[wakerider017]

That document is riddled with info about GPS...

Why is that not mentioned on the main page?

[DMann]

It seems the video conferencing is the ONLY thing the original version of the iPhone won't be able to do... the rest can come in a software update. I suppose it might be able to perform video conferencing, but it would be very awkward to hold the phone backwards without being able to see yourself (not to mention the trouble the EDGE would have with video)...

This makes for a good incentive to upgrade.

That document is riddled with info about GPS...

Why is that not mentioned on the main page?

Probably since it was so heavily specified within the 3G posts.

[Yankees 4 Life]

thats pretty awesome!

[DBriggs]

What do you think the chances are that this is all released in the new Iphone on Monday. I am being optimistic and thinking 80% chance. What do all of you think?


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8g Iphone

soon 16g 2nd generation iphone?????:apple:

[Mr Maui]

My rotary phone will have to do until the 5G comes out. ;)

[mtfield]

Looks like, for the people constantly expressing their desires for mms, their dreams could quite possibly be coming true. The application has a whole paragraph on mms!

[Schnebar]

What? Apple might be making a new iPhone?

;)

[extraextra]

I don't think all of this is going to show up on Monday. (would be cool if it did though) I know companies always file patents for stuff but we never see half of it.

Also, how much will the battery suffer if you've got 3G + wifi + video conferencing + GPS + whatever else? Didn't Jobs say battery life was a big priority (hence the exclusion of 3G for awhile)?

[EagerDragon]

now we are talking, who is going to say no to the iPhone take 2?

[MacGohil]

Darn!

Thats one awesome list of features. I hope apple puts em all on the new baby coming out on Monday!

Video recording should have been there already....Never mind.

But the other features look great...

Wish there we two more... GPS and Mobile TV :D .... Am just an Human being :apple:.... Gimme more...

[bbplayer5]

I guess ill state the obvious...

These could be software patents for the app store, and not a new phone. Thus making the features available to ALL iphones.

[bdkennedy1]

It's hard enough for me to SMS with that keyboard, but blogging? Get out!

[Dorfdad]

if we can get this at 399.99 the world will go ape **** no!?

[neupane00]

oh man.. i cant wait.. i really cant wait...4 days 16 hours! hopefully we can pick new iphone immediately from local apple store. I dont think thats gonna happen tho..

[Eric Cartmac]

I wish iChat would do more than just .Mac and AOL. It's time every chat program just did them all. I would love to see apple really make iChat shine. Video Conf and all major chat types supported!

[MacGohil]

It's hard enough for me to SMS with that keyboard, but blogging? Get out!

I donno why U find it difficult to type with the IPhone keypad... I guess we had a 5-pages discussion on MR just arguing about the Iphone keypad in one of the MR- iTablet threads.... But trust me IPhone sports one of the best handheld keypads. I am able to type on that awesome keypad even without looking. All features welcome.... Keep it rolling :apple:

I-Infinity loop is my Mecca :D

[newyorksole]

I'm very confused, weren't these patents filed months ago? How is it that they are just now getting recognized?

I also hope that people realize that people patent alot of things, doesn't mean it will be released. I hope so, but I don't want anyone to get let down.

[longofest]

That document is riddled with info about GPS...

Why is that not mentioned on the main page?

We were already pretty positive that GPS was going to be there. Trying to highlight the new features that are being uncovered.

[sonnyjames]

How else do we communicate? By signing and watch others sign...I'm superEXCITED about this video conferencing feature and I just know millions of deaf people will buy this iPhone!

[German]

I wish iChat would do more than just .Mac and AOL. It's time every chat program just did them all. I would love to see apple really make iChat shine. Video Conf and all major chat types supported!

No, I hope that Apple will kill AOL-Support in iChat and .mac and offers just Jabber.

AOL, MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, Skype = crap
Jabber = the only solution (also for the enterprise).

[Santa Rosa]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A102 Safari/419.3)

It's hard enough for me to SMS with that keyboard, but blogging? Get out!

I donno why U find it difficult to type with the IPhone keypad... I guess we had a 5-pages discussion on MR just arguing about the Iphone keypad in one of the MR- iTablet threads.... But trust me IPhone sports one of the best handheld keypads. I am able to type on that awesome keypad even without looking. All features welcome.... Keep it rolling :apple:

I-Infinity loop is my Mecca :D

Same here I dont know why people complain about it. It's really rapid to type on.

Tell you this. If all those features somehow miraculously made it into iPhone 3G then we are in for one HUGE keynote from El Jobso to cover it all lol. As I said, that is one big ass document!!!

[Mr Maui]

I'm very confused, weren't these patents filed months ago? How is it that they are just now getting recognized?

I also hope that people realize that people patent alot of things, doesn't mean it will be released. I hope so, but I don't want anyone to get let down.

A company filing patents for a new product can request that the patents not be released early and the government patent office will usually oblige so as not to disclose a product before the manufacturer wants it to be disclosed. Eventually it is public record, but does not have to be made public long before it is used.

[rockosmodurnlif]

Sounds like a lot to stuff into a phone. Sounds more like a tablet that can ride on a 3G network.

I donno why U find it difficult to type with the IPhone keypad... I guess we had a 5-pages discussion on MR just arguing about the Iphone keypad in one of the MR- iTablet threads.... But trust me IPhone sports one of the best handheld keypads. I am able to type on that awesome keypad even without looking. All features welcome.... Keep it rolling :apple:

I-Infinity loop is my Mecca :D
And we're all so happy for you, but for people who have problems, your post is useless. How about some tips next time.

[MacGohil]

I'm very confused, weren't these patents filed months ago? How is it that they are just now getting recognized?

I also hope that people realize that people patent alot of things, doesn't mean it will be released. I hope so, but I don't want anyone to get let down.

Half of the Fanboy's Iphone Features WishList is something which should have been there in IPhone-1 itself like


Full SMS & MMS support
Full Blue tooth support
3G
Video Recording


Better late then never... Eventhough I understand where you are trying to get but its obvious that IPhone-2 will have to have most of these features if apple aims to captivate the world phone market and specially technically compitetive markets like Japan. Also any highend portable device priced in the $500+ bracket which the guess is the IPhone-2 will be will have to have these features. Because its apple they can still get away with it.... but I hope apple gets it right this time around.

[jphartstein]

I think this will transform once again the competitive landscape and send RIM and other manufacturers scrambling to catch up...

I am not sure however if the cost to deliver this service from extra load on the network makes sense to carriers...

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

The US Patent and Trademark Office has recently published an extensive patent application, seemingly for the 3G iPhone and software version 2.0, both now expected to be released next Monday.



Also detailed in the application is support for inline media, including Flash and Windows Media.

Among the 25 inventors listed is Apple CEO Steve Jobs.

Raw Data: Patent Application 20080122796 (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20080122796&OS=20080122796&RS=20080122796)


Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/04/3g-iphone-patent-application-surfaces-im-blogging-app-video-conferencing-mor/)

[LondonMacs]

Excellent! This is so cool, video conferencing and GPS! :D:apple:

[Stately]

Told yal the bridges indicated more than the two platform thing yal were speculating on. VIDEO CONFERENCING ! :cool: Let's go baby ! Let's go.

[newyorksole]

Guys what I'm saying is, I swear that I saw the pictures of these patents weeks, probably months ago. I could have sworn that the pictures were already released of these patents. How is it that they are just now getting popular?

[SAMTATSICPRO]

isn't the optical sensor just a sensor that manages the screen and detects light? Or a Camera? or it can be both?

[Stately]

I really hope they have an iphone model without the video conferencing, unless its a free addition to the unlimited data of the iphone plans. I dont want to pay extra for a feature im never going to use. All I can say to the video recording is YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly. I love the thought but I hope it's a free feature. That would be a great move by Apple and also something that they would definately do, but phone companies are greedy beyond belief. Good grief. :cool:

[newyorksole]

I found the article

http://gizmodo.com/382620/iphone-instant-message-patent-points-to-upcoming-mms-background-ims-gps-module

See this patent was filed in very early March, what is different this time around that is something brand new?

[MacGohil]

Sounds like a lot to stuff into a phone. Sounds more like a tablet that can ride on a 3G network.


And we're all so happy for you, but for people who have problems, your post is useless. How about some tips next time.

Ok there you go....

http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/07/david_pogues_iphone_keyboard_t.html

http://www.iphonehacks.com/2007/07/iphonetipstrick.html

"If you love what you do and are willing to do what it takes, it's within in reach.".... iWoz - Steve Wozniac

P.S. Google is my best friend ;)

[TheSlush]

So I'll take this as a confirmation that the new IM button icon will be a voice balloon with "IM" inside of it, just like the current SMS button (but probably not also green).

[ruckus]

These features will very likely make it to the iPhone 2. The Nano model will probably not include GPS, or video conferencing, keeping it slimmer and less expensive than the full featured ones. Only 4 days to go..................... :D

nano model? heh, that'd be sweet! I love the iphone and all, but i'll never buy a phone this big again...such a pain to carry around...

[spidermitch]

I too am pretty stoked! Except for one thing.... I searched the patent for 'cut', 'paste', or 'copy' and found nothing :-(

Granted, Apple can't patent those operations, but boy oh, Steve better deliver on that front.

Until Monday!

[Blarged]

now we are talking, who is going to say no to the iPhone take 2?

yeah... since when is Apple in the phone business!?!?!?

(:rolleyes:)

[Random Ping]

Like others, I see this type of filing as the 'throw in the kitchen sink' because you never know what you might build down the road.

I seem to recall that about 2 years ago Apple paid ~$400 million to another company that had a patent on the hierarchical menu system used by the iPod. Maybe after an experience like that Apple became afraid of the patent system.

This patent gives Apple the option to add these features to future products. It prevents another company from patenting the idea out from under them. And even if the patent office rejects the patent as not being novel (or non-obvious), that's OK too because it still prevents others from patenting features Apple would like to add to future iPhones.

[Stately]

[QUOTE=DBriggs;5530105]What do you think the chances are that this is all released in the new Iphone on Monday. I am being optimistic and thinking 80% chance. What do all of you think?


I say 100% plus a couple little umpc's. ;)

[Nadav]

Will the iPhone be able to do all those things on Edge? In the picture it shows the E which makes me think that they could have put in video conferences in the current version of the iPhone.

[earnjam]

nano model? heh, that'd be sweet! I love the iphone and all, but i'll never buy a phone this big again...such a pain to carry around...

I hope you're joking, but you're probably not.

We already have some busters complaining about the keyboard. If it's any smaller, we're going to end up with a 9 digit touch keypad where you have to hit buttons multiple times to type a sentence....sweet. :rolleyes:

[briansanderson]

Ok my anticipation for Monday is through the roof now. Can not come fast enough. I just am having a hard time believing all of these features are going to make it into the new iphone :)

[Stately]

How else do we communicate? By signing and watch others sign...I'm superEXCITED about this video conferencing feature and I just know millions of deaf people will buy this iPhone!

Whoa ! I haven't even thought of that, whoa that's big man. My aunt is deaf, I should get her one.

[earnjam]

Will the iPhone be able to do all those things on Edge? In the picture it shows the E which makes me think that they could have put in video conferences in the current version of the iPhone.

How do you video conference with someone you can't see?

Have you used EDGE? What from that speed makes you think two way streaming video would work? You can't even use the iTunes store over EDGE to download a 3megabyte song.

[Mr Maui]

nano model? heh, that'd be sweet! I love the iphone and all, but i'll never buy a phone this big again...such a pain to carry around...

This big? The iPhone? I guess you're too young to remember the first "transportable" phones ... with the gigantic battery pack you had to carry along with it. The iPhone may be bigger than some other phones out there, but nothing compares to its style. And if Apple improves it with iPhone 2 (as expected), along with slimming it down (as rumors have called), then the iPhone 2 will rock the competition and likely still own the design / style aspect. Jobs loves to be the center of attention when it comes to style, function, productivity and ease of use.

[earnjam]

Whoa ! I haven't even thought of that, whoa that's big man. My aunt is deaf, I should get her one.

How do you hold it and sign at the same time?

I guess you either put it on a stand, or only sign out one letter at a time?

[Van Wildonher]

I found the article

http://gizmodo.com/382620/iphone-instant-message-patent-points-to-upcoming-mms-background-ims-gps-module

See this patent was filed in very early March, what is different this time around that is something brand new?

I agree... I think I've seen this before. At least twice in different topics in the last two weeks here.

[kgeier82]

are each an every one of these apps gonna cost money? hey apple, how about offering some of this stuff on the phone to begin with...

thats the real problem. Im not paying for some of this stuff ever, especially when it should be on there to begin with.

[impact_blue]

The 3G iPhone.. Now with a total of 30 Minutes talk time!

GET YOURS NOW!! :D;)

[Stately]

Guys what I'm saying is, I swear that I saw the pictures of these patents weeks, probably months ago. I could have sworn that the pictures were already released of these patents. How is it that they are just now getting popular?

Hmm . . . quite a bit of swearing there. ;) :cool:

[Nadav]

How do you video conference with someone you can't see?

Have you used EDGE? What from that speed makes you think two way streaming video would work? You can't even use the iTunes store over EDGE to download a 3megabyte song.

They could have easily put a front camera on the phone for this generation and it wouldn't have been a problem. I find it weird that they had a patent for video conferencing, and the phone was on edge.

[earnjam]

They could have easily put a front camera on the phone for this generation and it wouldn't have been a problem. I find it weird that they had a patent for video conferencing, and the phone was on edge.

Except I guess we need to remind you again a patent only means they might want to do it in the future. Apple files tons of patents that never make it to market.

They're just protecting themselves from having to pay someone else for the rights to include that later.

[mac*jedi*g]

We're nearing the end of our iPhone 3G rumor journey folks! Last few day are among us. Monday, hopefully it will all come to the end <sigh>. After "waiting, plotting, and planning" for a year now. The time is ripe! I would hope to enjoy owning a new device the will meet (and probably exceed) the tools I find necessary for everyday business life.... and some personal stuff too ...heh heh! :D ...and join you all in singing that Old .... Oh hey....now I'm getting delusional :confused: Oh, just pass the damn phone, please...

[javaGuru]

Is it possible that this is referring to the tablet device that's rumored to be coming out soon also?

[minik]

Will get it on day 1 no matter what.

[Peace]

For those wondering about the optical sensor :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor


It's used in most cameras nowdays.

And in some instances in GPS.

[Mr Maui]

We're nearing the end of our iPhone 3G rumor journey folks! Last few day are among us. Monday, hopefully it will all come to the end <sigh>. After "waiting, plotting, and planning" for a year now. The time is ripe! I would hope to enjoy owning a new device the will meet (and probably exceed) the tools I find necessary for everyday business life.... and some personal stuff too ...heh heh! :D ...and join you all in singing that Old .... Oh hey....now I'm getting delusional :confused: Oh, just pass the damn phone, please...

Coming to an end just means moving on to the 3.5G / 4G rumors and the people who will complain that the new 3G iPhone doesn't do nearly enough, is overpriced, and doesn't meet their personal design specs. It happens EVERY TIME! You can please most of the people some of the time, some of the people most of the time. BUT ... there are SOME PEOPLE you just can't please EVER!!!!!

[Stately]

How do you hold it and sign at the same time?

I guess you either put it on a stand, or only sign out one letter at a time?

A lot of signing is actually done with one hand, especially nowadays.

[Kwill]

I seem to recall that about 2 years ago Apple paid ~$400 million to another company that had a patent on the hierarchical menu system used by the iPod.

W!o!W! :eek: What an egregious exaggeration (http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/23/apple-and-creative-settle-apple-forks-out-100m/). BTW, the other company was Creative.

[newyorksole]

I agree... I think I've seen this before. At least twice in different topics in the last two weeks here.

Yeah the proof is in the pudding, well I guess no one saw the patents prior to today except for a few people. Even though these were filed months ago, I hope this is what we will get out of the new iPhone.

[Kwill]

Despite the impressive feature list, my pre-WWDC plan is to enjoy the software upgrade and wait for iPhone 3 next year. By then, I'm sure, we'll be able to pure Starbucks coffee directly from the phone.

[Stately]

umpc's here we come.

[earnjam]

Believe it or not a lot of signing is actually done with only one hand, especially nowadays where so many things, not just signing are being shortened

Ah, I didn't know that. In that case, this would be awesome for deaf people.

Open mouth, insert foot. :o

[dacreativeguy]

So in addition to texting and talking, people will soon be video conferencing while driving. At least we'll be able to see their expressions when they get into an accident.

[Roller]

There's only one reference to voice input, and that's merely given as an example of "other applications that may be stored in memory."

I sure hope voice dialing is in there.

[callmemike20]

Everyone knows it is coming...why not just announce it and release it tomorrow?

I want my damn iPhone!!!!!

[gusapple]

Of interest, the top still says "E", which implies that EDGE is still used.

[Nermal]

I'd love to see instant messaging (MSN) built in, but I don't have high hopes for it. Even "full" OS X can't use it without third-party software so I don't expect to see it in iPhone OS :(

[Vegan TJ]

i cannot waiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[ntrigue]

Steve Jobs sent a text to US Patent.

"Ok. Release filing, 5.4.3.2...NOW!"

[rml4uk]

nano model? heh, that'd be sweet! I love the iphone and all, but i'll never buy a phone this big again...such a pain to carry around...

WHy do people keep saying the iPhone is so big? What's big about it? It's less than half an inch thick, not that much taller than a deck of cards and doesn't even take up a whole pocket. I don't get it...

[Stately]

Ah, I didn't know that. In that case, this would be awesome for deaf people.

Open mouth, insert foot. :o

No foot, No foot :D We learn new things every day. ;)

[actorkid]

on the website, my computer wont display any of the images....how can i see the drawings/images with the patent, like the one shown in this MR post


sorry if this is a nooby question....

[zap2]

my my, monday sounds oh so much nicer!!!

[Stately]

Who can say . . UMPC's LOL.

[crees!]

If you look at the image in the patent the notable Applications I see are...

GPS Module(136)
Video Conference Module(139)
Instant Messaging Module(141)
Blogging Module(143)
Search Module(151)

HOLY CRAP!!!!!


Oh and

"an optical sensor is located on the front of the device so that the user's image may be obtained for videoconferencing while the user views the other video conference participants on the touch screen display"
and thats a quote from the patent

and

[0121]The GPS module 135 determines the location of the device and provides this information for use in various applications (e.g., to telephone 138 for use in location-based dialing, to camera 143 and/or blogger 142 as picture/video metadata, and to applications that provide location-based services such as weather widgets, local yellow page widgets, and map/navigation widgets).

[0142]Examples of other applications 136 that may be stored in memory 102 include other word processing applications, JAVA-enabled applications, encryption, digital rights management, voice recognition, and voice replication.

[0145]In conjunction with RF circuitry 108, audio circuitry 110, speaker 111, microphone 113, touch screen 112, display controller 156, optical sensor 164, optical sensor controller 158, contact module 130, graphics module 132, text input module 134, contact list 137, and telephone module 138, the videoconferencing module 139 may be used to initiate, conduct, and terminate a video conference between a user and one or more other participants.

[0151]In conjunction with touch screen 112, display controller 156, contact module 130, graphics module 132, audio circuitry 110, and speaker 111, the video player module 145 may be used to display, present or otherwise play back videos (e.g., on the touch screen or on an external, connected display via external port 124).

[0157]In conjunction with touch screen 112, display system controller 156, contact module 130, graphics module 132, and text input module 134, the search module 151 may be used to search for text, music, sound, image, video, and/or other files in memory 102 that match one or more search criteria (e.g., one or more user-specified search terms).

[Mr Maui]

Everyone knows it is coming...why not just announce it and release it tomorrow?

I want my damn iPhone!!!!!

Because Apple (aka Steve) likes to know "he" is in control. :D

[Mr Maui]

WHy do people keep saying the iPhone is so big? What's big about it? It's less than half an inch thick, not that much taller than a deck of cards and doesn't even take up a whole pocket. I don't get it...

Apparently you're another one of those limited few who haven't tried sticking it in your ear. :p

[stagi]

video conf would be sweeeet!

[toxicbomber]

Ok so iPhone 2's main features will be: Camera Picture and Video recording with publications to "services" (mobile me?), Video conferencing with multiple people (it says it!!), GPS, oh yeah and EDGE + 3G. It's a good time to sell now, guys.

[hypermark]

W!o!W! :eek: What an egregious exaggeration (http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/23/apple-and-creative-settle-apple-forks-out-100m/). BTW, the other company was Creative.

Either way, easy to understand Apple's paranoia, subject to them protecting their developer ecosystem.

Mark

[Mr Maui]

Either way, easy to understand Apple's paranoia, subject to them protecting their developer ecosystem.

Mark

Maybe they are just trying to protect themselves from information-hungry, rumor-mongers like us! :cool: (aka ... those who can't wait patiently until they release their new products)

[ro2nie]

Wow.... This will make the current iPhone look like a blackberry

[strangelogic]

I found the article

http://gizmodo.com/382620/iphone-instant-message-patent-points-to-upcoming-mms-background-ims-gps-module

See this patent was filed in very early March, what is different this time around that is something brand new?

If you look at the numbers, that looks like a different patent application and according to the write-up on gizmodo pertains to the Chat portion primarily.

I also noticed in this one that the dates on many of the ones it cross-references are late June 2007...

[Lyle]

It seems the video conferencing is the ONLY thing the original version of the iPhone won't be able to do... the rest can come in a software update.That's what I'm counting on, too. Most of the improvements that I'm looking forward to have to do with the new OS and shouldn't require a hardware upgrade.

[L3X]

How else do we communicate? By signing and watch others sign...I'm superEXCITED about this video conferencing feature and I just know millions of deaf people will buy this iPhone!

that is cool. I've never thought about this.

[hypermark]

Maybe they are just trying to protect themselves from information-hungry, rumor-mongers like us! :cool: (aka ... those who can't wait patiently until they release their new products)

Patents are less about protection from rumor-mongering and more about one of two things:

Protection from getting sued (or a horse trade against someone else's patent).
A mechanism to block competitors or monetize as a toll road by suing or threatening to sue others.


In the post I referenced earlier, I suggested a path that reconciles both considerations.

Mark

[toxicbomber]

that is cool. I've never thought about this.

And then we can have iPhone screen sharing! :p

[oclor]

I think that this iPhone will pretty much be perfect. The only things people will be able to ask for are improvements like more storage, battery life ect. All the things you could ask for, like video conferencing, camera on the front, GPS and everything will be on it. Plus all the applications you can dream of will be on iTunes. This is just brilliant.

[cisco1138]

nano model? heh, that'd be sweet! I love the iphone and all, but i'll never buy a phone this big again...such a pain to carry around...

This was a pain to carry around...

http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/motorola_dynatac_cell_phone-400-400.jpg

...But no one seemed to mind

[queshy]

huh? whats an iPhone?
/stupidity!

Better be available in Canada from the get go...!

[bhop123]

Oh my gosh....I am so freakin' excited. I did not know this would be happening today.:eek:

[ckurowic]

UH...you wouldn't get a patent application then release something the following week. Common sense?

[Preclaro_tipo]

must think about baseball, must...baseball, baseball, baseball

[Compile 'em all]

I think that this iPhone will pretty much be perfect. The only things people will be able to ask for are improvements like more storage, battery life ect. All the things you could ask for, like video conferencing, camera on the front, GPS and everything will be on it. Plus all the applications you can dream of will be on iTunes. This is just brilliant.

Talk about leaving other phones manufacturers in the dust ;)

[Stately]

huh? whats an iPhone?
/stupidity!

Better be available in Canada from the get go...!

Huh Canada where's that? :D

[tfast]

When discussing the optical sensor (AKA camera) it lists three possibilities:

In some embodiments, an optical sensor is located on the back of the device 100, opposite the touch screen display 112 on the front of the device, so that the touch screen display may be used as a viewfinder for either still and/or video image acquisition. In some embodiments, an optical sensor is located on the front of the device so that the user's image may be obtained for videoconferencing while the user views the other video conference participants on the touch screen display. In some embodiments, the position of the optical sensor 164 can be changed by the user (e.g., by rotating the lens and the sensor in the device housing) so that a single optical sensor 164 may be used along with the touch screen display for both video conferencing and still and/or video image acquisition.

The first sounds like the current iphone, the second probably the iphone2 and then the third a rotating sensor...maybe a future iphone?

[brucku]

Didn't I see this on some other site like 2 or 3 days ago?? Old news Arn.

Monday

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/02/all_encompassing_iphone_patent_filing_hints_at_gps_video_chat.html

[tfast]

Will the iPhone be able to do all those things on Edge? In the picture it shows the E which makes me think that they could have put in video conferences in the current version of the iPhone.

There is always WiFi, so I don't see why they couldn't include it...if it's available. BUT the patent list video conferencing for the device with the camera on the front, so...probably not.

In some embodiments, an optical sensor is located on the front of the device so that the user's image may be obtained for videoconferencing while the user views the other video conference participants on the touch screen display.

[mitch88ell]

On Modmyiphone in Figure 40A, Flash (4002-7) in Safari is shown. So maybe soon Flash
Link (http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/news/183291-iphone-patent-lays-out-possible-new-features.html)

:apple:

[Mr Maui]

Patents are less about protection from rumor-mongering and more about one of two things:

Protection from getting sued (or a horse trade against someone else's patent).
A mechanism to block competitors or monetize as a toll road by suing or threatening to sue others.


In the post I referenced earlier, I suggested a path that reconciles both considerations.

Mark

I understand that. I believe I was referencing the non-release of information on patents until just before a product is released to maintain the secrecy / surprise of a new product. If I failed to make the point clear, I apologize.

[Virgil-TB2]

... we're all so happy for you, but for people who have problems, your post is useless. How about some tips next time.If it helps, almost everyone I have seen have trouble with the iPhone keyboard are (like myself) older folks who think they know best. Personally, I was trying very hard to hit the right keys all the time which actually is the wrong way to use it.

It really is true that if you follow the directions and just poke away without really looking too close, that the iPhone will correct all your mistakes and magically turn garbage into prose.

If you ignore the directions and patiently try to hit the right keys in succession, you will eventually get fast enough to plod through some messages, but you will never get as fast as someone just poking away without worrying about it.

It's kind of funny when you think about it. All those years we were so concerned with keyboard ergonomics and what is the best type. Turns out, you could have a keyboard on a cookie or the size of a thumbtack, and with the right software it can still be quite useable.

[chickenninja]

now that is sweeeet

[meagain]

I could've sworn I saw this posted here - a massive patent manifesto with Steve listed as inventor, etc. Though I can't find it now. Isn't this from that document? From a couple days ago?

I only ask because I want to know if this is new or not and if I should read it.

[gcmexico]

the new iphone will have everything...I want it!!!:D

[chickenninja]

Huh Canada where's that? :D

isnt canada the code name for nintendos next gen project, the one that runs supper cool. :p

[Virgil-TB2]

I'd love to see instant messaging (MSN) built in, but I don't have high hopes for it. Even "full" OS X can't use it without third-party software so I don't expect to see it in iPhone OS :(Well, *if* video conferencing is in the 2.0 iPhone, it will pretty much have to be iChat.

Now they wouldn't do that unless iChat was going to get a bit of an overhaul as it's considered fairly lame right now by most users.

So it all hinges on whether the hardware for video conferencing is actually in the new iPhone. If it is, you can probably expect that it *will* be able to access other protocols like MSN because to not do so would be pretty lame.

Either that or something about it will be so cool it will be worth leaving MSN chat for, just like the iPhone was so cool people were willing to leave their carriers and join (Yuck!) AT&T.

:)

[neupane00]

do u think we would be able to buy right after they announce on 9th on local store.

[Virgil-TB2]

isnt canada the code name for nintendos next gen project, the one that runs supper cool. :pNo it's the much bigger country right above the USA that burned the White House to the ground the last time they pissed us off.

You don't want to make us angry again. :mad:

[FarSeide]

I want it.... now give it Steve...

[bretm]

Will the iPhone be able to do all those things on Edge? In the picture it shows the E which makes me think that they could have put in video conferences in the current version of the iPhone.

NO. It's called Wifi and it's immensely faster than edge or 3g.

[newyorksole]

I could've sworn I saw this posted here - a massive patent manifesto with Steve listed as inventor, etc. Though I can't find it now. Isn't this from that document? From a couple days ago?

I only ask because I want to know if this is new or not and if I should read it.


These patents are 3 months old, they are picking up steam now for some odd reason.....

http://gizmodo.com/382620/iphone-ins...ims-gps-module

[Peace]

These patents are 3 months old, they are picking up steam now for some odd reason.....

http://gizmodo.com/382620/iphone-ins...ims-gps-module

That link is for a March 6th document.

This discussion is about the May 29th Document.

[meagain]

But why is everyone so excited and assuming the 3g will have all this and this isn't a future thing?

[cash4chaos]

Imagine a device , that can replicate any device .
:apple:

[benlee]

Imagine a device , that can replicate any device .
:apple:

Do you think this will be available right after the keynote?:D

[carve]

Does this mean that the 2.0 software update will include AIM for the old first gen iphones?!!

[NT1440]

Does this mean that the 2.0 software update will include AIM for the old first gen iphones?!!

no, that will be in the appstore

[carve]

Ok, definatly going to download that!!!

[newyorksole]

But why is everyone so excited and assuming the 3g will have all this and this isn't a future thing?

Exactly, the patent from march and this patent are VERY similar, almost identical. I think Apple would need all of that sutff in there to really get the iPhone moving internationally, but I highly doubt it.

[dragonslayer458]

Can't wait!

[dragonslayer458]

I really hope they have an iphone model without the video conferencing, unless its a free addition to the unlimited data of the iphone plans. I dont want to pay extra for a feature im never going to use. All I can say to the video recording is YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't want it to be an additional charge for video conf. either if not everyone had a new iphone too...

[earnjam]

Imagine a device, that can replicate any device .

Now you're talking Matrix stuff. Although, if Apple keeps coming up with devices like the iPhone (things we could only dream of 5-10 years ago), we might be headed in that direction.

No it's the much bigger country right above the USA that burned the White House to the ground the last time they pissed us off.

You don't want to make us angry again. :mad:

You guys weren't even a country then, so it wasn't technically "Canada" that burned the White House, it was the British and their Canadian colonies.

That would be like saying the USA won the French and Indian War.

And you're not "much bigger". 60,000 square miles. That's like the size of Wisconsin. Besides, most of that land is uninhabited cold wilderness.

[wakerider017]

I would pay BIG bucks to download an AIM app that would stay connected in the background while I did other things!

They have Web AIM now (such as meebo or w/e) but as soon as you navigate to a new page it disconnects..

[dicklacara]

How else do we communicate? By signing and watch others sign...I'm superEXCITED about this video conferencing feature and I just know millions of deaf people will buy this iPhone!

Wow! There's a use I never thought of! Apple usually takes the extra step to satisfy special needs-- let's hope they do in this case.

[zub3qin]

If you look at the image in the patent the notable Applications I see are...

GPS Module(136)
Video Conference Module(139)
Instant Messaging Module(141)
Blogging Module(143)
Search Module(151)

HOLY CRAP!!!!!


Oh and

"an optical sensor is located on the front of the device so that the user's image may be obtained for videoconferencing while the user views the other video conference participants on the touch screen display"
and thats a quote from the patent




What makes people think that all this is free?

Apple is releasing an App Store.
Don't people think Apple will have some shiny new apps to SELL to everyone on Monday? Apps like Video Chat, GPS, Blogging, Spotlight, IM...

At $20 per pop, you do the math.
Also, to those that say that Apple just lumps everything into a patent to protect itself- it doesn't mean it is coming. Why, then, wasn't all this in the original iPhone patent from last year?

[Hawk.]

that is cool. I've never thought about this.

Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm missing something but wouldn't deaf people prefer to communicate via text message on a phone rather than video taping their sign language? :confused:

[zub3qin]

Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm missing something but wouldn't deaf people prefer to communicate via text message on a phone rather than video taping their sign language? :confused:

good point.

[Ryanr14]

nano model? heh, that'd be sweet! I love the iphone and all, but i'll never buy a phone this big again...such a pain to carry around...

Maybe it's because I went from hauling a treo around to sliding this beaut in and out of my pocket, but you are nuts if you have a hard time carrying an iPhone around. :D

[orenjuice]

if anyone read the entire patent....u would see that there is a segment that talks about pinching and un pinching objects to see them better (zoom) and a few different ways to communicate through touch and movements and certain amounts of fingers alter your communication with the iphone

which means this iphone is an intro to the touch screen world

well another step.....like the one said to be in windows 7 and that apple is trying to get to.....

:apple:MG!

[Eric Cartmac]

No, I hope that Apple will kill AOL-Support in iChat and .mac and offers just Jabber.

AOL, MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, Skype = crap
Jabber = the only solution (also for the enterprise).

You're right and I agree... I use that with people I network with and friends (now in form of Google Talk but other Jabber clients work great of course) but girlfriend, clients, rest of world all use the rest of the crap.

[note235]

One thing I would love, haptic feedback.

[meagain]

I still would like to know why everyone is assuming all these things will be released next week. Just because the proactively? patented everything doesn't mean it'll be released now.

I hope everyone isn't going to be dissapointed.

[zub3qin]

I still would like to know why everyone is assuming all these things will be released next week. Just because the proactively? patented everything doesn't mean it'll be released now.

I hope everyone isn't going to be dissapointed.

This argument would have made sense if Apple listed all these things on the original iPhone patent. But they didn't- so why did they wait until now?

If they were all about proactively patenting, they'd have included all this and more last year.

[meagain]

Maybe, maybe not. I still say it doesn't confirm anything. I'm just banking on 3g and anything above that will be bonus. Then I can't be dissapointed.

[moonzilla]

two questions:

1. has anyone heard/read anything about voice dialing?
2. would video conferencing include iphone to pc/mac or just phone to phone?

obviously no one knows the answers for sure, but any thoughts would be great. thanks

[Nermal]

Well, *if* video conferencing is in the 2.0 iPhone, it will pretty much have to be iChat.

I don't care about video (my iPod has no camera), I'm just thinking about text. At the moment I can use Meebo, but it "ties up" the system; I can't browse websites and receive messages in the background.

[thaitillidie]

Y'all are asking for waaay too much from Apple, things that fundamentally go against its business plan:

a) to release an ALL-INCLUSIVE iphone from a hardware standpoint that only requires non-profitable software updates to get "the latest and greatest" future features.

b) to offer a discount OF ANY KIND...ON ANY OF THEIR PRODUCTS...IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY of the freakin' company!!

Besides, how would that work anyway (forgive my ignorance)? If AT&T is **gasp** planning to offer a subsidy on the phone if purchased and activated through them who would ever be foolish enough to buy it directly from an Apple store at full retail price?? And again I'm sure there's an easy and obvious answer to this but the common sense of it all escapes me at the moment!

So, while all that fancy stuff listed in the patent filing sounds cool, in the end, come Monday, I think they'll do as they've always done --- release some half ass updated hardware then gradually keep strategically adding hardware features over a set period of time that forces you to buy a whole new freakin' phone each time! Classic Apple A$$hole-ology.

[sonnyjames]

How do you hold it and sign at the same time?

I guess you either put it on a stand, or only sign out one letter at a time?

Yeah - we'd have it on a stand otherwise hold it with one hand and sign with the other hand. All the more reasons for everyone to become fluent signers. ;)

[Donz0r]

This is Genius. Steve planned the releases out so perfectly, think about it. The original iPhone was so revolutionary that everyone had to have it, but some key features were left out. Now, a year later, even though the buzz from the last model is still in full swing, Apple will leap ahead of the competition and release the most amazing device, truly revolutionary. This IS the Future. GPS??! Video Conferencing?! phone, INTERNET, im, EVERYTHING!
and all on the most beautiful and elegantly easy to use phone GUI, blows competing OS's out of the water, even the new HTC with the multitouch is awkward, the iPhone is a truly revolutionary device, and Steve Jobs is not only a genius but a visionary.

Time to begin the Longest Four Days ever. i just ordered a new stereo for my car with the best iPod integration Alpine iDA-x100, and it's coming tomorrow, 10 minutes ago I was excited about that, but now forget that I think I'm actually physically incapable of waiting for this device!

[mavis]

So, while all that fancy stuff listed in the patent filing sounds cool, in the end, come Monday, I think they'll do as they've always done --- release some half ass updated hardware then gradually keep strategically adding hardware features over a set period of time that forces you to buy a whole new freakin' phone each time! Classic Apple A$$hole-ology.I don't know, sounds like good business to me ... :confused:

[stagi]

I think I need to stay away from the rumor sites until monday. at first I just wanted 3g and GPS but now I keep seeing all these new rumors and think my expectations will be too high. Just hard to stay away .....

[RoboCop001]

What makes people think that all this is free?

Apple is releasing an App Store.
Don't people think Apple will have some shiny new apps to SELL to everyone on Monday? Apps like Video Chat, GPS, Blogging, Spotlight, IM...

At $20 per pop, you do the math.
Also, to those that say that Apple just lumps everything into a patent to protect itself- it doesn't mean it is coming. Why, then, wasn't all this in the original iPhone patent from last year?

But how can they sell a video chat app? lol Every other phone with a front camera does it for free... :confused:

I doubt they'd actually sell those features as an app. But I'm sure they'd sell some other ones.

[bacon]

Will the iPhone be able to do all those things on Edge? In the picture it shows the E which makes me think that they could have put in video conferences in the current version of the iPhone.

The camera on the current iPhone is on the wrong side of the phone.

[DiamondMac]

do u think we would be able to buy right after they announce on 9th on local store.

My personal guess is that it will be released for sale in Mid-Late June

I hope and WISH it is released as early as possible though

[mrzeve]

Well, the iPhone2's speaker must be greatly improved, because I could not image holding the current phone a foot a way from my face and hearing any call audio, let alone having a video conference.

[bacaramac]

isn't the optical sensor just a sensor that manages the screen and detects light? Or a Camera? or it can be both?

Yes, this was discussed and it could do both.

[thaitillidie]

I'm beginning to think Mr. Jobs personally guaranteed all of his engineers and marketing people -- and any other group within the company with intimate iPhone knowledge capable of ruining the excitement -- a $50,000 bonus at year's end provided there was zero "official" leakage before the actual v.2 launch on Monday.

And I'll be damned if that S.O.B didn't succeed! Unfreakin'believable. That's the only way he could have pulled this off. Well maybe not. I suppose he could have threatened to fire them and take away their stock options. Guess that would have been as equally effective...perhaps moreso!

[rcha101]

just to put things in perspective these are all things that nokia and Sony already do, the challenge for apple is to do it better.

Where are the MacBook pro rumors??? I'm more interested in these.

[Boywonder78]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (SymbianOS/9.1; U; en-us) AppleWebKit/413 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/413)

I don't think all of this is going to show up on Monday. (would be cool if it did though) I know companies always file patents for stuff but we never see half of it.

Also, how much will the battery suffer if you've got 3G + wifi + video conferencing + GPS + whatever else? Didn't Jobs say battery life was a big priority (hence the exclusion of 3G for awhile)?

Why does everyone find this so hard to believe. Nokia and other companies have been doing this for ages and the batterey life is just fine on those handsets. I have great expectations! Hope i'm not let down.

[Motocrosseli]

Well I found a REALLY REALLY cool video! Kinda give us a look at what some people think the iPhone will look like.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y37dDeRCX14

Amazing video!

[Motocrosseli]

Well I hope they already have this all planned out and redy to be shipped on launch.... if they are planning to be selling millions of new phones they will need to start producing then A.S.A.P. and if so..... I hope that pat is kind of old and has bin approved by the FCC.

[DMann]

Well I found a REALLY REALLY cool video! Kinda give us a look at what some people think the iPhone will look like.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y37dDeRCX14

Amazing video!

True that - and realistic functionality - great potential ad for iPhone 2 - IN FOUR DAYS!!!!

Well I hope they already have this all planned out and redy to be shipped on launch.... if they are planning to be selling millions of new phones they will need to start producing then A.S.A.P. and if so..... I hope that pat is kind of old and has bin approved by the FCC.
Apparently, they've already arrived in containers and are ready to go!

[junkmailbonzai]

Easy blogging right from the iphone?! I am going to be in heaven.
:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[RTee]

I'm beginning to think Mr. Jobs personally guaranteed all of his engineers and marketing people -- and any other group within the company with intimate iPhone knowledge capable of ruining the excitement -- a $50,000 bonus at year's end provided there was zero "official" leakage before the actual v.2 launch on Monday.

And I'll be damned if that S.O.B didn't succeed! Unfreakin'believable. That's the only way he could have pulled this off. Well maybe not. I suppose he could have threatened to fire them and take away their stock options. Guess that would have been as equally effective...perhaps moreso!

either that or he has them locked up big brother style in some bunker underneath the mother ship!

[HyperZboy]

I always find it hysterically funny that STEVE JOBS is always listed as an "INVENTOR" in these patent applications because, let's face it, his main job in the development of most things at Apple even going back to the 1970-80s Apple ][ WOZ days was to scream and yell at the REAL inventors to just get it absolutely perfectly right or else be FIRED! :D

[Dagless]

Very well played Apple. If they offer an app frontend for posting on Wordpress blogs (kinda like that Live Writer for Windows) then I'll be so massively happy. Of course video conferencing and recording will also be great!

And I thought I was excited for the original iPhone :D this thing likes like everything I'll ever need in 1 single device. The first convergence device that I think might actually work.

[Jowl]

Better late then never... Eventhough I understand where you are trying to get but its obvious that IPhone-2 will have to have most of these features if apple aims to captivate the world phone market and specially technically compitetive markets like Japan. Also any highend portable device priced in the $500+ bracket which the guess is the IPhone-2 will be will have to have these features. Because its apple they can still get away with it.... but I hope apple gets it right this time around.

I agree - those features are pretty much standard in the UK, that is MMS, Video Call, Decent Camera, Video recording.

...And top end phones have GPS too.

I'm still not convinced we'll see GPS - but I hope so. My money's waiting, Steve. And if it's subsidised and 18 month contract, I'll take 2!

[Jowl]

The camera on the current iPhone is on the wrong side of the phone.

Or maybe that will be the last, big suprise....

"the original iPhone has this front camera, we just never told you about it. Update at the App store to activate " :D

[itsvdiddy]

I think Steve's going to try to change the way we share information. The new .mac is going to be called "Me" (or some variation), and it's going to allow instant video blogging, photo blogging, text blogging to be posted to your "Me" site. You're going to be able to post instant clips of places you go, news happenings, and any photos you see. Sure it's been done before in some way, but Steve is going to figure a way to make it seamless and allow you to share it instantly with friends too through the mobile chat.

[cosmic68]

I think Steve's going to try to change the way we share information. The new .mac is going to be called "Me" (or some variation), and it's going to allow instant video blogging, photo blogging, text blogging to be posted to your "Me" site. You're going to be able to post instant clips of places you go, news happenings, and any photos you see. Sure it's been done before in some way, but Steve is going to figure a way to make it seamless and allow you to share it instantly with friends too through the mobile chat.

I think you are spot on. All this talk of .Mac getting rebranded to possibly Mobile Me got me thinking. Because if the iPhone did have video conferencing capabilities and say it used iChat as the app, then if you were at home logged into iChat on your home computer and also logged in on your iPhone under the same account, wouldn't that cause a possible problem? Hence you will need a "new" ichat account especially for your iPhone...explaning the need for the new >mac/Me/MobileMe service...perhaps?

[bj3949]

Great....Agreed....Excited....but.......

All this stuff sounds delicious!! But, will this iPhone on Monday finally include Copy and Paste???

[Jowl]

Great....Agreed....Excited....but.......

All this stuff sounds delicious!! But, will this iPhone on Monday finally include Copy and Paste???

There's always one......:D

And that reminds me, although all this stuff sounds great for personal use, I really need to be able to make notes and edit spreadsheet/word processing docs directly please. Need to replace my iPaq!

[mvp2206]

According to a article on Stuff.tv, the new iPhone could be released on 8th August 2008 on o2 in the UK. Thats AGES away!

http://stuff.tv/News/UK-3G-iPhone-in-August/10157/

[modul8tr]

b) to offer a discount OF ANY KIND...ON ANY OF THEIR PRODUCTS...IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY of the freakin' company!!

Besides, how would that work anyway (forgive my ignorance)? If AT&T is **gasp** planning to offer a subsidy on the phone if purchased and activated through them who would ever be foolish enough to buy it directly from an Apple store at full retail price?? And again I'm sure there's an easy and obvious answer to this but the common sense of it all escapes me at the moment!

This has been discussed a lot. Seems like a strategy to fight unlocking phones from ATT. Allowing you to buy the iPhone at an amazingly attractive price (from Apple Store or ATT), IF you sign a contract and activate the phone (thru iTunes of course not in store). Then they'll send you a rebate. That could certainly be a big enough reason for Apple to allow something they've never done before.

Buy iPhone at full price at either Apple Store or ATT, activate it on iTunes and receive awesome rebate.

The process will probably be far more slick than this though.

[TonyHoyle]

According to a article on Stuff.tv, the new iPhone could be released on 8th August 2008 on o2 in the UK. Thats AGES away!

http://stuff.tv/News/UK-3G-iPhone-in-August/10157/

That's based on what an o2 store employee said.. like they'd know anything at all. Nobody knows the official release dates *anywhere* yet - it's all speculation (as is the WWDC announcement, but I think there would be riots in the streets if they didn't announce there after all the expectation).

Releasing that late would mean we'd buy imports from other european countries (on sale in every poky mobile phone shop within days of course) that release before us. Or even from the US - although that's subject to import duty so not as good a place to buy from.

Several EU carriers have hinted at a late june/early july release date. Leaving the UK until months after that wouldn't make sense.

[moveteam]

This is Genius. Steve planned the releases out so perfectly, think about it. The original iPhone was so revolutionary that everyone had to have it, but some key features were left out. Now, a year later, even though the buzz from the last model is still in full swing, Apple will leap ahead of the competition and release the most amazing device, truly revolutionary. This IS the Future. GPS??! Video Conferencing?! phone, INTERNET, im, EVERYTHING!
and all on the most beautiful and elegantly easy to use phone GUI, blows competing OS's out of the water, even the new HTC with the multitouch is awkward, the iPhone is a truly revolutionary device, and Steve Jobs is not only a genius but a visionary.

Time to begin the Longest Four Days ever. i just ordered a new stereo for my car with the best iPod integration Alpine iDA-x100, and it's coming tomorrow, 10 minutes ago I was excited about that, but now forget that I think I'm actually physically incapable of waiting for this device!
You're sick :p

[winterspan]

I don't think all of this is going to show up on Monday. (would be cool if it did though) I know companies always file patents for stuff but we never see half of it.

Also, how much will the battery suffer if you've got 3G + wifi + video conferencing + GPS + whatever else? Didn't Jobs say battery life was a big priority (hence the exclusion of 3G for awhile)?

Battery won't suffer at all if you don't use the features like video conferencing or Wifi. The GPS receiver can be shut off for all but the short time you need it. If you are using it for some future driving directions app, It will be in you car charging most likely. And it looks like you can also shut off 3G and have the phone revert to GSM/EDGE for extended talk/data time.

[winterspan]

It seems the video conferencing is the ONLY thing the original version of the iPhone won't be able to do... the rest can come in a software update. I suppose it might be able to perform video conferencing, but it would be very awkward to hold the phone backwards without being able to see yourself (not to mention the trouble the EDGE would have with video)...

Things that software can't bring to the original iPhone:

* Video conferencing (no front camera)
* Video recording (It looks like the camera/media hardware is literally incapable of recording video at a decent framerate and quality level)
* Video MMS (see above)
* GPS (cell tower triangulation / WifI tower is much too inaccurate for driving directions, etc. Also only works in certain locations.)
* 3G UMTS/HSPA data connection

[PowerFullMac]

I was thinking of not getting a 3G iPhone but if all of this comes true then I may reconsider... Ahh, who am I kidding, iPhone FTW! :p

[kleo]

iHate to burst your bubble about that "Optical Sensor" but its not a video camera its just to sense when the screen brightness needs to be adjusted...

[Lorthirk]

iHate to burst your bubble about that "Optical Sensor" but its not a video camera its just to sense when the screen brightness needs to be adjusted...

In some embodiments, an optical sensor is located on the front of the device so that the user's image may be obtained for videoconferencing while the user views the other video conference participants on the touch screen display.

[meagain]

Things that software can't bring to the original iPhone:

* Video conferencing (no front camera)
* Video recording (It looks like the camera/media hardware is literally incapable of recording video at a decent framerate and quality level)
* Video MMS (see above)
* GPS (cell tower triangulation / WifI tower is much too inaccurate for driving directions, etc. Also only works in certain locations.)
* 3G UMTS/HSPA data connection

The current phone 'can' do video recording. I've done it on mine.

[Samaritan]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (SymbianOS/9.1; U; en-us) AppleWebKit/413 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/413)



Why does everyone find this so hard to believe. Nokia and other companies have been doing this for ages and the batterey life is just fine on those handsets. I have great expectations! Hope i'm not let down.


yeah - Nokia sorted out battery life perfectly with my N95. In fact, I'm typing this on it now!! Problem is, if I actually USE the phone for anything it just eats the battery and shuts down without wa

[Lorthirk]

yeah - Nokia sorted out battery life perfectly with my N95. In fact, I'm typing this on it now!! Problem is, if I actually USE the phone for anything it just eats the battery and shuts down without wa

YOU ARE A GENIUS!:D:D:D:D:D

[Jowl]

That's based on what an o2 store employee said.. like they'd know anything at all.

Several EU carriers have hinted at a late june/early july release date. Leaving the UK until months after that wouldn't make sense.

Thats a good point.

Though my current mobile contract runs out on the 10th August - that would at least force me to wait out my contract :D

[Hattig]

Yeah, standard phone features there. Of course the software implementing and joining them will be really amazing and intuitive, unlike on all the other phones that have implemented them (some for years).

Clearly the .Mac replacement service will incorporate blogging software at the very least.

[iMat77]

Orange Switzerland. Contract has expired ages ago, because I didn't purchase any new subsidized phone, I went for an iPhone unlocked. I only hope they will figure out a way to unlock 2.0 rapidly. So I can upgrade mine and then sell it and get a 2.0 3G iPhone basically for free (with subsidies).

A side note: personally I don't like the black design of the "rumored" iPhone I have seen in pics all over the web. Just plain ugly.

A second side note: I have to purchase a new notebook, so I hope the new MBPs don't take forever to be announced (how cool would it be if they were announced at WWDC). A Mac at the office broke, my colleague would happily take my MB C2D 2Ghz 2GB RAM (10.5.2), so I can finally purchase a 17" MBP (or even with a slightly bigger screen if it comes). But I really cannot wait much longer than next week. I'll just keep my fingers crossed...

[Donz0r]

I've been needing an iPhone for almost 2 years now, and I have been so excited for the new one, the only new feature that i really care about is Stereo Bluetooth. This new information has given me the highest of expectations, and has made the next 3 days exponentially more unbearable than if hadn't known all of these things. That being said, this is Awesome!!!!!!! for months we've been drooling and analyzing blurry photos, case designs with a bigger slot suggesting a front facing camera is the farthest we've come. and now This?! This is like the holy grail of leaked information, except a video of the actual 3G iPhone of course, quite an amazing day on macrumors if you ask me!

[Schizoid]

Having seen the patents flowing out of Apple, do Microsoft have any equivalents (I can't be arsed to sift through the website - maybe someone has already!)

Just thinking about that wonderful device that Steve Billballgates showed us last week - basically a big iphone running Windows...

"...and boy have we patented it.."

[zync]

You guys weren't even a country then, so it wasn't technically "Canada" that burned the White House, it was the British and their Canadian colonies.

That would be like saying the USA won the French and Indian War.

And you're not "much bigger". 60,000 square miles. That's like the size of Wisconsin. Besides, most of that land is uninhabited cold wilderness.

Actually, it wasn't even the colonies. It was British soldiers during the war of 1812 after we burned down Canada's parliament buildings.

You won't like us when we're angry, Canada. :) We'll take hockey fans and leave the rest!

[paja]

from: http://www.idealschina.com/Insider/

Steve's new iPhone 3G is Black and White
by Insider 4/30/2008 10:09:48 AM
Total views: 90,024
Seeing and handling a hot, new product months before its release can really get the adrenaline going. I just saw and held the newest version of the iPhone.

These new iPhones are being assembled just minutes from my office. As there had been quite a bit of activity there these past few weeks, I knew something big was cooking. Playing investigator reporter, I searched on line and found this in a Business Week article - "With less than two months to go before Steve Jobs takes the stage at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference, where he's expected to unveil a new iPhone, ...." One can only conclude, iPhone is definitely coming this summer.

A few days ago, two businessmen made an appointment to visit me at my factory. They were coming in with the new, top secret iPhone which is supposed to be released this summer. When they arrived, they immediately started talking about my factory making silicone and crystal iPod and iPhone cases. One of the men reached into his pocket and showed me an iPhone shell. It looked exactly like my iPhone, but when I turned it over, I noticed that the metal backing had been replaced by a white plastic back. They told me there would be two models - one with the white back and one with a black back. The first production would be apparently 20,000,000 plus units. That's double from their first iPhone. This newer iPhone seems thinner and the back is slightly concave.

I was also informed that as well as the iPhone, a new Nano and Touch would be released at the same time. I will keep you posted.

[earnjam]

from: http://www.idealschina.com/Insider/

Steve's new iPhone 3G is Black and White
by Insider 4/30/2008 10:09:48 AM
Total views: 90,024
Seeing and handling a hot, new product months before its release can really get the adrenaline going. I just saw and held the newest version of the iPhone.

These new iPhones are being assembled just minutes from my office. As there had been quite a bit of activity there these past few weeks, I knew something big was cooking. Playing investigator reporter, I searched on line and found this in a Business Week article - "With less than two months to go before Steve Jobs takes the stage at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference, where he's expected to unveil a new iPhone, ...." One can only conclude, iPhone is definitely coming this summer.

A few days ago, two businessmen made an appointment to visit me at my factory. They were coming in with the new, top secret iPhone which is supposed to be released this summer. When they arrived, they immediately started talking about my factory making silicone and crystal iPod and iPhone cases. One of the men reached into his pocket and showed me an iPhone shell. It looked exactly like my iPhone, but when I turned it over, I noticed that the metal backing had been replaced by a white plastic back. They told me there would be two models - one with the white back and one with a black back. The first production would be apparently 20,000,000 plus units. That's double from their first iPhone. This newer iPhone seems thinner and the back is slightly concave.

I was also informed that as well as the iPhone, a new Nano and Touch would be released at the same time. I will keep you posted.

I really can't see them using plastic. It may look like plastic, but actually using it just seems so busch league.

I think that site is probably just fishing for hits...

[moesess]

there will be two different models wait and see

[Donz0r]

from: http://www.idealschina.com/Insider/

Steve's new iPhone 3G is Black and White
by Insider 4/30/2008 10:09:48 AM
Total views: 90,024
Seeing and handling a hot, new product months before its release can really get the adrenaline going. I just saw and held the newest version of the iPhone.

These new iPhones are being assembled just minutes from my office. As there had been quite a bit of activity there these past few weeks, I knew something big was cooking. Playing investigator reporter, I searched on line and found this in a Business Week article - "With less than two months to go before Steve Jobs takes the stage at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference, where he's expected to unveil a new iPhone, ...." One can only conclude, iPhone is definitely coming this summer.

A few days ago, two businessmen made an appointment to visit me at my factory. They were coming in with the new, top secret iPhone which is supposed to be released this summer. When they arrived, they immediately started talking about my factory making silicone and crystal iPod and iPhone cases. One of the men reached into his pocket and showed me an iPhone shell. It looked exactly like my iPhone, but when I turned it over, I noticed that the metal backing had been replaced by a white plastic back. They told me there would be two models - one with the white back and one with a black back. The first production would be apparently 20,000,000 plus units. That's double from their first iPhone. This newer iPhone seems thinner and the back is slightly concave.

I was also informed that as well as the iPhone, a new Nano and Touch would be released at the same time. I will keep you posted.


I call BS on this guy. Although I do believe the pictures we've been seeing are accurate, for shape/size, we can't tell what the material is, but guaranteed it won't be crappy plastic.

[Martin C]

I hope 802.11n makes it into this iteration.

[Donz0r]

there will be two different models wait and see

Definitely.

[Leopard=God]

If you look at the actual patent document and scroll down to the bottom where it says images A layout of the home screen becomes visible and you can look at some of the new things on the new iPhone. I know this website captured the video conferencing application, the GPS application, and some of the other new applications. One that I noticed that was not mentioend, was a Widget Module. This lies outside the widgets we have now (such as maps and weather), it is called the Widget Creator Module. This leads me to believe that somehow you will be able to create new widgets on the phone itself or import the ones you made on the SDK. In addition to the Widget Creator Module there will also be a new dictionary widget available.

Widget Creator Module:
"...the widget creator module 150 may be used by a user to create widgets (e.g., turning a user-specified portion of a web page into a widget)." quoted directly from the document, it sounds like that thing that's on Leopard's safari browser, I forgot what it's called I think it's WebClip? Yeah, I think that's what this Widget Creator Module is...

Here's the link to the picture:

http://aiw2.uspto.gov:80/.aiw?Docid=20080122796&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft1.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526co1%3DAND%2526d%3DPG01%2526s1%3D20080122796%2526OS%3D20 080122796%2526RS%3D20080122796&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=AC43122EB6BD

[DMann]

Having seen the patents flowing out of Apple, do Microsoft have any equivalents (I can't be arsed to sift through the website - maybe someone has already!)

Just thinking about that wonderful device that Steve Billballgates showed us last week - basically a big iphone running Windows...

"...and boy have we patented it.."

Some companies will do anything to claim that they're still viable players in the tech arena. Desperation seems to be the motivating force there.

[Stately]

Great....Agreed....Excited....but.......

All this stuff sounds delicious!! But, will this iPhone on Monday finally include Copy and Paste???

Hey now. That's a good question. :cool:

[stagi]

I hope they keep the metal back but it seems everything is pointing towards a black and/or white back.

[Stately]

I'm tellin you guys . . heads up. I think we are going to start seeing some great things.

[chado53]

when they say "instant messaging application" are they talking about the one they mentioned for the application store hosted by aol or an ichat application? i would much rather have a first party app rather than third party...of course! :D

*crosses fingers for ichat that stays connected while the phone is in sleep mode as the sidekick does*

i had a sidekick and that's the ONLY thing i miss to be honest. other than that i could careless about the thing.

[earnjam]

other than that i could careless about the thing.

Oh god, here we go again...:rolleyes:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=493692&p=5527868

[chado53]

Oh god, here we go again...:rolleyes:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=493692&p=5527868

i'm sorry...how is that link relevant to my post?

[rlasalle]

"[0100]The RF (radio frequency) circuitry 108 receives and sends RF signals, also called electromagnetic signals. The RF circuitry 108 converts electrical signals to/from electromagnetic signals and communicates with communications networks and other communications devices via the electromagnetic signals. The RF circuitry 108 may include well-known circuitry for performing these functions, including but not limited to an antenna system, an RF transceiver, one or more amplifiers, a tuner, one or more oscillators, a digital signal processor, a CODEC chipset, a subscriber identity module (SIM) card, memory, and so forth. The RF circuitry 108 may communicate with networks, such as the Internet, also referred to as the World Wide Web (WWW), an intranet and/or a wireless network, such as a cellular telephone network, a wireless local area network (LAN) and/or a metropolitan area network (MAN), and other devices by wireless communication. The wireless communication may use any of a plurality of communications standards, protocols and technologies, including but not limited to Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM), Enhanced Data GSM Environment (EDGE), high-speed downlink packet access (HSDPA), wideband code division multiple access (W-CDMA), code division multiple access (CDMA), time division multiple access (TDMA), Bluetooth, Wireless Fidelity (Wi-Fi) (e.g., IEEE 802.11a, IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11g and/or IEEE 802.11n), voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), Wi-MAX, a protocol for email (e.g., Internet message access protocol (IMAP) and/or post office protocol (POP)), instant messaging (e.g., extensible messaging and presence protocol (XMPP), Session Initiation Protocol for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions (SIMPLE), and/or Instant Messaging and Presence Service (IMPS)), and/or Short Message Service (SMS)), or any other suitable communication protocol, including communication protocols not yet developed as of the filing date of this document."

W-CDMA and HSDPA are 3G networks!!!!

[earnjam]

i'm sorry...how is that link relevant to my post?

I think you meant to say that you couldn't care less.

I didn't want to post the chart again because I didn't want to derail this thread too and start this whole discussion again, but it appears you are confused.

http://www.matrixdancer.com/img/caring.png

[bacaramac]

"[0100]

W-CDMA and HSDPA are 3G networks!!!!

This Quote talks about Wireless-N.

I know this is just a patent, but maybe we will also get Wireless-N. Might as well just through in the Bathroom and laundry sinks alongside the kitchen sink.

[PowerFullMac]

yeah - Nokia sorted out battery life perfectly with my N95. In fact, I'm typing this on it now!! Problem is, if I actually USE the phone for anything it just eats the battery and shuts down without wa

Ha! Thats funny! :p

[Santa Rosa]

This was a pain to carry around...

http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/motorola_dynatac_cell_phone-400-400.jpg

...But no one seemed to mind

Its that thing that finished of the old guy, sad story....

I hope they keep the metal back but it seems everything is pointing towards a black and/or white back.

I hope they dump the metal back, yes it looks amazing but its terrible for reception.

With the metal gone and it replaced with that zirconia stuff some of the other members were talking about it would be brilliant as the reception would be far far better. Simply covering the bottom plastic section on the iPhone can stop it from getting a network signal sometimes!!

[Donz0r]

This Quote talks about Wireless-N.

I know this is just a patent, but maybe we will also get Wireless-N. Might as well just through in the Bathroom and laundry sinks alongside the kitchen sink.

it also quotes Wi-Max, which is obviously not going to be on this iPhone, so I'm afraid that just because a feature is patented doesn't mean that it will be present on the iPhone released on monday

[PowerFullMac]

it also quotes Wi-Max, which is obviously not going to be on this iPhone, so I'm afraid that just because a feature is patented doesn't mean that it will be present on the iPhone released on monday

Stop crushing our dreams!

WiMax on the iPhone! Woo!

[Santa Rosa]

it also quotes Wi-Max, which is obviously not going to be on this iPhone, so I'm afraid that just because a feature is patented doesn't mean that it will be present on the iPhone released on monday

One day though, one day it will make an appearence.

We are all killing ourselves waiting for Monday but just think whats in store further in the future for the iPhone :cool:

[Samaritan]

I'm tellin you guys . . heads up. I think we are going to start seeing some great things.

?? Man, what did that guy do to his rear-view mirror??!!!

"Yeah, sorry I reversed into your brand new car - I was too busy reading the hype about the new 3G iphone on MacRumors..."

[Santa Rosa]

?? Man, what did that guy do to his rear-view mirror??!!!

"Yeah, sorry I reversed into your brand new car - I was too busy reading the hype about the new 3G iphone on MacRumors..."

Dont worry, he isnt so bothered about his car, if the new iPhone doesnt come out soon its going to be a write off!!

[diamond.g]

"[0100]The RF (radio frequency) circuitry 108 receives and sends RF signals, also called electromagnetic signals. The RF circuitry 108 converts electrical signals to/from electromagnetic signals and communicates with communications networks and other communications devices via the electromagnetic signals. The RF circuitry 108 may include well-known circuitry for performing these functions, including but not limited to an antenna system, an RF transceiver, one or more amplifiers, a tuner, one or more oscillators, a digital signal processor, a CODEC chipset, a subscriber identity module (SIM) card, memory, and so forth. The RF circuitry 108 may communicate with networks, such as the Internet, also referred to as the World Wide Web (WWW), an intranet and/or a wireless network, such as a cellular telephone network, a wireless local area network (LAN) and/or a metropolitan area network (MAN), and other devices by wireless communication. The wireless communication may use any of a plurality of communications standards, protocols and technologies, including but not limited to Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM), Enhanced Data GSM Environment (EDGE), high-speed downlink packet access (HSDPA), wideband code division multiple access (W-CDMA), code division multiple access (CDMA), time division multiple access (TDMA), Bluetooth, Wireless Fidelity (Wi-Fi) (e.g., IEEE 802.11a, IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11g and/or IEEE 802.11n), voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), Wi-MAX, a protocol for email (e.g., Internet message access protocol (IMAP) and/or post office protocol (POP)), instant messaging (e.g., extensible messaging and presence protocol (XMPP), Session Initiation Protocol for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions (SIMPLE), and/or Instant Messaging and Presence Service (IMPS)), and/or Short Message Service (SMS)), or any other suitable communication protocol, including communication protocols not yet developed as of the filing date of this document."

W-CDMA and HSDPA are 3G networks!!!!
Maybe a Sprint/Verizon version in the works??!!?? :eek:

[CaryMacGuy]

I just had a thought...that "Optical Sensor" might just be the Ambient light sensor.

[Lorthirk]

I just had a thought...that "Optical Sensor" might just be the Ambient light sensor.

In some embodiments, an optical sensor is located on the front of the device so that the user's image may be obtained for videoconferencing while the user views the other video conference participants on the touch screen display.

Already posted in this thread, IIRC.

[grimmace]

All this talk about the iphone is great. The new features should be rather amazing, but no one seems to be talking about AT&T. Suppose we get all this cool stuff and suddenly the "data" is no longer unlimited? Then all this will be pointless cause 50% of us wont get involved in a higher plan. Here's to no changes in plans from AT&T with this new phone!! That would really suck.

[Jowl]

All this talk about the iphone is great. The new features should be rather amazing, but no one seems to be talking about AT&T. Suppose we get all this cool stuff and suddenly the "data" is no longer unlimited? Then all this will be pointless cause 50% of us wont get involved in a higher plan. Here's to no changes in plans from AT&T with this new phone!! That would really suck.

I must admit, that's my worries about O2 here in the UK too. I could just about justify (and afford) the £35 a month plan - as the all inclusive data makes it a decent deal. I wouldn't want to pay higher.

There was talk of o2 doing a £269 pay-as-you-go iPhone or a £100 contract one.

[hypermark]

Personally, I am not going to be happy until they add the frozen yogurt maker to the iPhone. ;-)

[Donz0r]

All this talk about the iphone is great. The new features should be rather amazing, but no one seems to be talking about AT&T. Suppose we get all this cool stuff and suddenly the "data" is no longer unlimited? Then all this will be pointless cause 50% of us wont get involved in a higher plan. Here's to no changes in plans from AT&T with this new phone!! That would really suck.

They would not remove the unlimited data from the iPhone plan, the iPhone is constantly using the internet to check for e-mail updates, etc. even when in sleep mode. Many people have had att bills for thousands of dollars because they went traveling (outside of att's network) and since the iPhone is constantly accessing the internet, they were charged outrageous amounts since they didn't have unlimited roaming data. The iPhone will remain on unlimited data plans only.

[rhett7660]

The iPhone will remain on unlimited data plans only.

Lets hope so.

If, and that is a big if, some of this stuff makes it into the iPhone... You are going to see some very happy people!!! Including myself.

[Motocrosseli]

True that - and realistic functionality - great potential ad for iPhone 2 - IN FOUR DAYS!!!!


Apparently, they've already arrived in containers and are ready to go!

YESS!!!! 4 more days!! haha but like still.... Lets hope all that what everyone says and predicts on these forum in all true or will happen!

[objectivegiant]

How else do we communicate? By signing and watch others sign...I'm superEXCITED about this video conferencing feature and I just know millions of deaf people will buy this iPhone!

I second that! My girlfriend is hearing impaired so it's next to impossible for us to have phone conversation. If she's able to read my lips while I'm talking, it will help us out a great deal when we one of us travels runs errands.

[BryanTheCrow]

Did a search on "optical sensor": Rotating Camera?

[0112]The device 100 may also include one or more optical sensors 164. FIGS. 1A and 1B show an optical sensor coupled to an optical sensor controller 158 in I/O subsystem 106. The optical sensor 164 may include charge-coupled device (CCD) or complementary metal-oxide semiconductor (CMOS) phototransistors. The optical sensor 164 receives light from the environment, projected through one or more lens, and converts the light to data representing an image. In conjunction with an imaging module 143 (also called a camera module), the optical sensor 164 may capture still images or video. In some embodiments, an optical sensor is located on the back of the device 100, opposite the touch screen display 112 on the front of the device, so that the touch screen display may be used as a viewfinder for either still and/or video image acquisition. In some embodiments, an optical sensor is located on the front of the device so that the user's image may be obtained for videoconferencing while the user views the other video conference participants on the touch screen display. In some embodiments, the position of the optical sensor 164 can be changed by the user (e.g., by rotating the lens and the sensor in the device housing) so that a single optical sensor 164 may be used along with the touch screen display for both video conferencing and still and/or video image acquisition.

[kwick]

[0145]In conjunction with RF circuitry 108, audio circuitry 110, speaker 111, microphone 113, touch screen 112, display controller 156, optical sensor 164, optical sensor controller 158, contact module 130, graphics module 132, text input module 134, contact list 137, and telephone module 138, the videoconferencing module 139 may be used to initiate, conduct, and terminate a video conference between a user and one or more other participants. Embodiments of user interfaces and associated processes using videoconferencing module 139 are described further below.

[chado53]

I think you meant to say that you couldn't care less.

I didn't want to post the chart again because I didn't want to derail this thread too and start this whole discussion again, but it appears you are confused.

http://www.matrixdancer.com/img/caring.png

wow. ok, you win. that's so irrelevant to point that out. you started it off by being off topic. if you're so smart to break down my english then you should be smart enough to understand what i meant...excuse me.

[rhett7660]

Does anybody have any of the images from the patent? I keep getting timed out messages.

[zync]

if you're so smart to break down my english then you should be smart enough to understand what i meant...excuse me.

Why does everyone use this poor excuse to use improper english? If we continue down that path, we'll end up back where we started—cavemen grunting and pointing.

[Apple.Samurai]

Videoconferencing is the main concern for me. Must everyone else I know have an iphone too(:apple:2)? Sounds nice but I'd like to see what happens. Come on June 9th!!!:apple:

[DiamondMac]

All this talk about the iphone is great. The new features should be rather amazing, but no one seems to be talking about AT&T. Suppose we get all this cool stuff and suddenly the "data" is no longer unlimited? Then all this will be pointless cause 50% of us wont get involved in a higher plan. Here's to no changes in plans from AT&T with this new phone!! That would really suck.

Because Apple wouldn't let AT&T just spring upon us a non-unlimited plan after the unlimited plan for the original AND the fact that we are now going to a faster 3G connection

Now, maybe in the future it may occur but right now it won't happen

Unlimited plan is here to stay for the forseeable future, in my opinion

[chado53]

Why does everyone use this poor excuse to use improper english? If we continue down that path, we'll end up back where we started—cavemen grunting and pointing.

well, i'm not a perfectionist. i don't like to talk like i'm writing an essay for college all the time. sorry pal.

[earnjam]

well, i'm not a perfectionist. i don't like to talk like i'm writing an essay for college all the time. sorry pal.

It has nothing to do with talking like you're writing an essay for college. It's the simple use of the phrase.

"I could care less" vs "I couldn't care less"

They have entirely different meanings. It's not like I was ripping you for leaving out punctuation or making a typo.

Regardless, I just found it funny that we just had a 3 page conversation about that very phrase in the other thread. As soon as that one wrapped up, you chimed in here with your "I could care less" comment. Thought the timing was pretty funny, so I linked to it.

Enough ranting, let's get back to the original topic...

Now, maybe in the future it may occur but right now it won't happen

I don't see it ever happening. The iPhone uses waaaay too much data for them to set a limit and that total is only going to go up with a faster connection.

If we saw a serious effect on network performance because of overuse, they might consider it, but I think AT&T is planning accordingly.

[carrjar]

All this talk about 3G, Video Conferencing, iChat, etc... (don't get me wrong, nice additions) but have we forgotten the basic features we miss so much!? MMS, Cut/Paste, Voice Activated Dialing. etc.? I'm sure we'll have some options in the App store...but these should be standard. Sorry to revisit...it's just that I received a MMS from a VZW friend and I hate viewmymessage.com...especially w/o cut and paste.

[neupane00]

All this talk about 3G, Video Conferencing, iChat, etc... (don't get me wrong, nice additions) but have we forgotten the basic features we miss so much!? MMS, Cut/Paste, Voice Activated Dialing. etc.? I'm sure we'll have some options in the App store...but these should be standard. Sorry to revisit...it's just that I received a MMS from a VZW friend and I hate viewmymessage.com...especially w/o cut and paste.

i knowww! u are absolutely right. mms is a major pain in the neck. lol and viewmymessage.com sucks so much. I am a programmer and i cant imagine why that viewmymessage takes such time to load.. and fails most of time. really really bad designing i bet. i would be atleast semi ok if i got sms with direct link to the message and viewmymessage infrastructure was faster. i dont think next version of iphone is gonna solve it.. and neither voice activated dialing.
copy paste i have a feeling they are gonna release it with iphone2... just my thought.

[BrianFD3S]

I really hope the iPhone doesn't have one of those rotating camera set ups. They just look really flimsy and clunky. Which wouldn't do at all, it being an Apple product :rolleyes:

[5teve]

The device supports a variety of applications, such as one or more of the following: a telephone application, a video conferencing application, an e-mail application, an instant messaging application, a blogging application, a photo management application, a digital camera application, a digital video camera application, a web browsing application, a digital music player application, and/or a digital video player application.

This is great stuff -- I cannot wait until Monday!

[backdraft]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

The US Patent and Trademark Office has recently published an extensive patent application, seemingly for the 3G iPhone and software version 2.0, both now expected to be released next Monday.



Also detailed in the application is support for inline media, including Flash and Windows Media.

Among the 25 inventors listed is Apple CEO Steve Jobs.

Raw Data: Patent Application 20080122796 (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20080122796&OS=20080122796&RS=20080122796)


Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/04/3g-iphone-patent-application-surfaces-im-blogging-app-video-conferencing-mor/)

From patent: [0781]inline multimedia content 4002, such as QuickTime content (4002-1), Windows Media content (4002-2), or Flash content (4002-3); [0782]other types of content 4004 in the structured document

Doesn't explicitly say it will support Windows Media, which is good because that will slow the adaption of quicktime server for streaming.

For example at work they have 2 windows media servers for video on demand, they want to get into podcasting as well as streaming, one of the pros of going with quicktime server is that you can stream to the iphone. If the iphone does wmv then there goes the quicktime server. :eek:

[persianpunisher]

I have an inside source at apple: ALL of these patents will be with the new 3G iphone, announced on Monday. PM me if you want more info

[zync]

well, i'm not a perfectionist. i don't like to talk like i'm writing an essay for college all the time. sorry pal.

It's not being a perfectionist, it's being intelligent and thinking before typing or speaking.

Let's get back on track here. Monday cannot come soon enough. Anyone have a time machine that wasn't installed with 10.5?

[adamerr]

time machine?
not on me no,
but im sure i could whip one up
just give us a sec...

:confused:

for some reason when i wound the hands forward on my clock it didnt work...
maybe the digital clock will work......

pfft. if only