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BrianDavid0523
Jun 5, 2008, 12:24 PM
Ok guys....I've read all the promo material from Apple on the Apple TV, but still don't understand why I would want or need this.

Basically, if I don't wanna buy TV shows from iTunes, or rip DVDs to a HD, then what else would I do with this thing?

I dunno - I think I'm just not "getting it"?



MacBoobsPro
Jun 5, 2008, 12:31 PM
You can buy or rent movies, TV shows and music direct from your TV with just a few clicks.

You say you dont want to rip DVDs but the convenience of having 100s of movies (after months of ripping :D ) at your fingers tips that start in an instant is great. The worst part is choosing what you want to watch.

I will admit I have had a few problems with mine but it turns out that the network wasn't configured correctly and so the ATV kept playing up. Now everything seems fine.

There isnt much else you can do with it apart from view your photos and surf YouTube from your couch (great for parties) but it is a very good device. And everyone who asks "Whats that under your TV?" come away mightily impressed.

reidjr
Jun 5, 2008, 12:32 PM
Ok guys....I've read all the promo material from Apple on the Apple TV, but still don't understand why I would want or need this.

Basically, if I don't wanna buy TV shows from iTunes, or rip DVDs to a HD, then what else would I do with this thing?

I dunno - I think I'm just not "getting it"?

Apple tv is not for everyone.

Here are the main thigs you can do

1)Buy tv shows.
2)Buy/rent movies.
3)You can aslo have your music and podcasts stores on the apple tv unit.

aristobrat
Jun 5, 2008, 12:35 PM
Basically, if I don't wanna buy TV shows from iTunes, or rip DVDs to a HD, then what else would I do with this thing?

I dunno - I think I'm just not "getting it"?
No, I think you're getting it. It's just not aimed at how you do things. :)

donster28
Jun 5, 2008, 12:37 PM
Ok guys....I've read all the promo material from Apple on the Apple TV, but still don't understand why I would want or need this.

Basically, if I don't wanna buy TV shows from iTunes, or rip DVDs to a HD, then what else would I do with this thing?

I dunno - I think I'm just not "getting it"?

nothing else really. to me it's benificial 'cause i rent bluray and regualr movies from my local shop. i've been always hit by late charges so my bill added up in time. being able to use it for the first time last night, i was amazed on how easy it was to rent HD movies, and the picture quality was there, enought to brilliantly show on my 150 inch projector screen.

i don't plan of buying movies at the moment. i have my own bluray collection going together with my hd-dvd's...i know, it's a dead format but hey, my titles arent available on blu and the quality is the same.

youtube is just what it is, but being able to watch it so conveniently on ur tv is a different experience...and the picture quality didn't suck as bad as i expected.

being able to stream my subscribed podcasts and watching them on tv is another different and better experience.

the APTV to me is simply my own personal video store. other than that it's just a gadget sitting on my entertainment unit.

oh, and did i mention that i am a sucker when it comes to HD trailers, and there's tons of them to download from APTV.

i hope this helps. :)

tom1971
Jun 5, 2008, 12:38 PM
Apple tv is not for everyone.

Here are the main thigs you can do

1)Buy tv shows.
2)Buy/rent movies.
3)You can aslo have your music and podcasts stores on the apple tv unit.

You can also play your own movies or downloads form the net by adding some additional functions.
I just LOVE my ATV, I also use it to display my photography. much nicer than a 7inch digital picture frame...

MacBoobsPro
Jun 5, 2008, 12:41 PM
No, I think you're getting it. It's just not aimed at how you do things. :)

Its not for everyone. In its very basic form, whatever you have in your iTunes and iPhoto libraries you can view, listen, play, on your TV. And now you can buy and rent movies, TV shows and music. Its more of a convenience thing than a must have gadget.

ayale99
Jun 5, 2008, 12:55 PM
If you don't want ALL of your media at your finger tips, then don't buy it.

tom1971
Jun 5, 2008, 12:57 PM
If you don't want ALL of your media at your finger tips, then don't buy it.

If you want ALL your media at your finger tips, buy it and hack it :D

nick9191
Jun 5, 2008, 12:59 PM
At one time I was seriously considering buying a 3.2 x 8 Mac Pro just so I could rip all my DVD's to it faster :p

ayale99
Jun 5, 2008, 01:00 PM
Y

You say you dont want to rip DVDs but the convenience of having 100s of movies (after months of ripping :D ) at your fingers tips that start in an instant is great. The worst part is choosing what you want to watch.



Agreed! I have a hard time deciding what to watch as well. 275 rips makes it hard to choose.

I wish there was a way to see what movies you haven't watched yet. OR a way to view which movies were "recently added" to your library. I know it sounds stupid but once your library gets to 275+ movies, the one column AppleTV list gets quite loooong.

tom1971
Jun 5, 2008, 01:02 PM
I wish there was a way to see what movies you haven't watched yet. .

This is available in ATV Files and in nitoTV.

zedsdead
Jun 5, 2008, 01:07 PM
The biggest advantages for me, besides a digital movie library, is having my music and photos available at any time on my tv and sound system.

Others like Youtube and podcasts on their tv's, though I really don't use those features much.

ayale99
Jun 5, 2008, 01:09 PM
This is available in ATV Files and in nitoTV.

*Hint, Hint* Are you making a lot of money with those Patchstick hacks?

dbwie
Jun 5, 2008, 01:14 PM
If you have a good digital A/V receiver, and an HDTV, and a wired or wireless network, then the AppleTV will plug in seamlessly. It acts as a bridge between iTunes, the internet, and your entertainment center. If you want to bring those together, the AppleTV is for you. Apple will be updating the software to add new features (hopefully Safari on AppleTV). In the meantime, there are some good third party hacks that offer added functionality.

dynaflash
Jun 5, 2008, 01:26 PM
Um, why "sell you" ? If you like the idea of what it does and can afford one, then go buy one. If not, then don't. *confused*.

Galley
Jun 5, 2008, 01:27 PM
Access to 17,000 tracks of lossless audio. :D

TuckBodi
Jun 5, 2008, 02:44 PM
This is available in ATV Files and in nitoTV.

...and Sapphire
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I bought mine because I like toys and I wanted a way to have an audio jukebox for my music. Just for that it was a winner.

Then they added YouTube with the higher rez videos than what you see on the web. Like another poster said, this is great fun at parties.

Then I wanted to have my movies online so I started ripping 'em and now I'm addicted watching them on there.

I also had some other content not supported by the original ATV so I hacked it. When Jobs said the ATV was a hobby this is what he meant. It's been like a science experiment playing around with the different hacks and trying to get them to work but I've had a geeky blast doing so.

naftalim
Jun 5, 2008, 06:15 PM
Best reply below.

I no longer want to go to movie theaters to see a film. never mind the video store.

The biggest problem I now have is too much content, have to make decisions what to watch, instead of having the decision made for me the way it used to work with TV.

A huge part of the decision for me was that I don't care to listen to music or watch media on my Mac in my den. With Apple TV, I listen to my music in the living room with 5.1 Surround Sound, and can switch in an instant to watch TV or a movie or a podcast, or You Tube, or see my photos.

If you have a good digital A/V receiver, and an HDTV, and a wired or wireless network, then the AppleTV will plug in seamlessly. It acts as a bridge between iTunes, the internet, and your entertainment center. If you want to bring those together, the AppleTV is for you. Apple will be updating the software to add new features (hopefully Safari on AppleTV). In the meantime, there are some good third party hacks that offer added functionality.

tom1971
Jun 5, 2008, 06:20 PM
If you have a good digital A/V receiver, and an HDTV, and a wired or wireless network, then the AppleTV will plug in seamlessly. It acts as a bridge between iTunes, the internet, and your entertainment center. If you want to bring those together, the AppleTV is for you. Apple will be updating the software to add new features (hopefully Safari on AppleTV). In the meantime, there are some good third party hacks that offer added functionality.

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EglMtn
Jun 5, 2008, 07:25 PM
From your description an :apple:TV is not for you. It looks like you understand it completely, but it just isn't suited for you. I really enjoy mine, but I don't mind converting all my movies.

BrianDavid0523
Jun 6, 2008, 07:56 AM
The biggest advantages for me, besides a digital movie library, is having my music and photos available at any time on my tv and sound system.

Others like Youtube and podcasts on their tv's, though I really don't use those features much.


OK now this interests me - how does Apple TV allow me to play my iTunes music thorugh my sound system? That is something I would love to be able to do.

MacBoobsPro
Jun 6, 2008, 08:04 AM
OK now this interests me - how does Apple TV allow me to play my iTunes music thorugh my sound system? That is something I would love to be able to do.

If you TV has surround sound then your music will play through that (albeit in Stereo).

If you are just looking to play music through a set of speakers maybe look at getting AirTunes or Airport Express whatever its called. :o

BTW: To set your movies as 'unwatched' right click on the file in iTunes and click 'mark as new' then when you view it in ATV it will have a blue dot next to it. This also helps towards ATV auto syncing 'unwatched' content.

gwsat
Jun 6, 2008, 10:32 AM
BTW: To set your movies as 'unwatched' right click on the file in iTunes and click 'mark as new' then when you view it in ATV it will have a blue dot next to it. This also helps towards ATV auto syncing 'unwatched' content.
Great tip! I had not known that, thanks.

chicagdan
Jun 6, 2008, 11:43 AM
I bought an Apple TV last week ... generally, good concept. But I have to say, the 24 hour window to watch a movie once you start absolutely pisses me off. I have 11 month old twin boys at home ... I rarely have two uninterrupted hours to do ANYTHING. Last week I rented an HD movie, watched about half of it ... then got interrupted, it got late, I went to sleep. By the time I was free to watch the rest, too late, 24 hours were up. This is going to be a regular issue for me.

Can't they, at least, offer some kind of $1 per day "late fee" on these movies, so I can pay a bit more to finish it? The damn movie was removed from Apple TV and the only way I can watch it is to pay for a full price new download.

newappleboy
Jun 6, 2008, 11:47 AM
BTW: To set your movies as 'unwatched' right click on the file in iTunes and click 'mark as new' then when you view it in ATV it will have a blue dot next to it. This also helps towards ATV auto syncing 'unwatched' content.

That's actually not true. The Apple TV will only show the blue dots for tv shows and their episodes, not movies. I know because I've tried and I wish that it actually did do this.

mchalebk
Jun 6, 2008, 11:47 AM
If you have music and photos on your computer that you would like to access on your HT system, the AppleTV is great. Most people seem to focus on the movie capabilities, but it can be worth it just for music and photos.

I got mine mainly for music, but I love the way it uses our digital photos as a screensaver while playing music. We get so much more enjoyment out of our photo collection now.

The other thing I really like it for is home videos. With the AppleTV, you don't have to burn them to DVD to view them on your TV.

MikieMikie
Jun 6, 2008, 11:47 AM
OK now this interests me - how does Apple TV allow me to play my iTunes music thorugh my sound system? That is something I would love to be able to do.

I got my Apple TV as an adjunct to my stereo system. It is now hooked up to my A/V Receiver and I play all of my music from the Apple TV. I ripped my CDs into iTunes (over the years) and now the entire music library lives on my Apple TV. I bought the 160 GB model so I could sync my whole music library.

There's nothing nicer than not having to deal with those CD cases. :)

gwsat
Jun 6, 2008, 01:30 PM
I bought an Apple TV last week ... generally, good concept. But I have to say, the 24 hour window to watch a movie once you start absolutely pisses me off.
I agree that the unfortunate 24 hour time limit imposed on movie rentals by the motion picture industry is a crippling limitation. Because of it, I have not rented any more movies since I rented 4 or 5 HD movies immediately after I got my Apple TV in early March. Nevertheless, I love my Apple TV and the iTunes app on my MacBook Pro for their ability to slickly display movies I have ripped from my DVDs and converted to MP4 files with Handbrake. They arenít HD but they are the next best thing. Plus, itís easy to do and its paid for. :)

newappleboy
Jun 6, 2008, 01:34 PM
I agree that the unfortunate 24 hour time limit imposed on movie rentals by the motion picture industry is a crippling limitation. Because of it, I have not rented any more movies since I rented 4 or 5 HD movies immediately after I got my Apple TV in early March. Nevertheless, I love my Apple TV and the iTunes app on my MacBook Pro for their ability to slickly display movies I have ripped from my DVDs and converted to MP4 files with Handbrake. They arenít HD but they are the next best thing. Plus, itís easy to do and its paid for. :)

I don't rent movies through my Apple TV (still hooked on Netflix at the moment), but the announcements for rentals in the UK and Canada stated a 48 hour window. I can't imagine they'd do this without extending the US window as well. Can anyone confirm that the current time restriction is still 24 hours?

gwsat
Jun 6, 2008, 01:38 PM
I got my Apple TV as an adjunct to my stereo system. It is now hooked up to my A/V Receiver and I play all of my music from the Apple TV. I ripped my CDs into iTunes (over the years) and now the entire music library lives on my Apple TV. I bought the 160 GB model so I could sync my whole music library.

There's nothing nicer than not having to deal with those CD cases. :)
Thatís a really good idea but I havenít done it, despite my huge CD collection, which I started in the early days of CD, in the mid Ď80s. I also have an A/V receiver, which is connected to my Apple TV via optical.

How long does it take to rip an audio CD to disk? I use my Time Capsule as a repository for my iTunes movie files, so it should be just as easy to set it up for music as well. I have ripped and converted about 50 of my DVD movies with Handbrake but that exercise requires nearly two hours per movie.

MikieMikie
Jun 7, 2008, 07:42 AM
How long does it take to rip an audio CD to disk?


Just a minute or two. And that includes having it go out to the internet database to get art, title of album and track names. It's very fast, especially when compared to something like ripping a DVD. Try one. You'll like it. ;)


I use my Time Capsule as a repository for my iTunes movie files, so it should be just as easy to set it up for music as well. I have ripped and converted about 50 of my DVD movies with Handbrake but that exercise requires nearly two hours per movie.

You're going to be in for a nice surprise. Just make sure when you rip the CDs that you listen to one or two -- I recommend you try Apple Lossless. Takes a little more room, but room is cheap.

gwsat
Jun 7, 2008, 12:15 PM
Just a minute or two. And that includes having it go out to the internet database to get art, title of album and track names. It's very fast, especially when compared to something like ripping a DVD. Try one. You'll like it. ;)

You're going to be in for a nice surprise. Just make sure when you rip the CDs that you listen to one or two -- I recommend you try Apple Lossless. Takes a little more room, but room is cheap.
Thanks for the feedback, Iíll try it. Which ďinternet databaseĒ has art, track names, and the like? That would be very useful.

Also, which software program should I use to copy a CDís files to iTunes? Will they have to be converted, as is required by movie files? I have now had a lot of experience using Handbrake to rip movie DVDs and convert them to MP4 format for iTunes but music CDs are a brand new ballgame for me.

Galley
Jun 7, 2008, 05:57 PM
Use iTunes to import your CDs. The track data will be retrieved from the CDDB, and the artwork will be retrieved from the iTunes Store. Another good source for high-quality artwork is the Album Art Exchange (http://www.albumartexchange.com/). :cool:

cherry su
Jun 7, 2008, 06:02 PM
undocumented uses for Apple TV
- internet on a big-screen TV
- energy-saving webserver
- Mac OS X at your couch

and whatever other hacks are available on appletv hacking sites

mchalebk
Jun 7, 2008, 09:10 PM
JI recommend you try Apple Lossless. Takes a little more room, but room is cheap.

I wouldn't say that Lossless takes a "little more" room; it takes quite a bit more. Uncompressed audio is about 10 MB per minute, so an hour is about 600 MB. If I recall correctly, lossless is about half that, so about 300 MB per hour. If you encode to AAC at 192 kbps, it will take less than 2 MB per minute (about 100 MB/hour) and it is unlikely that you'll notice the difference (you might, but most people wouldn't). "Room" might be cheap, but you should try to figure out how much hard drive space (on your computer and the AppleTV) you want to dedicate to music.

One other thing. If you should decide to get an iPod, you’ll really want to consider how big you want the audio files to be. If you have a flash-based iPod, you’ll fill it up pretty quick with lossless files. If your iPod is HD-based, you won't fill is up as fast, but it greatly reduces your anti-skip buffer. Because this buffer is a fixed amount of RAM, you’ll be able to buffer quite a bit less if you use uncompressed or lossless. I’ve experienced skipping on AIFF (uncompressed) files with my HD-based iPod in the car.

I’m not saying you shouldn’t use lossless, but you should do some thinking ahead of time about how big you want those files to be.

Roller
Jun 7, 2008, 09:38 PM
I got the 160 GB version soon after my HDTV/surround audio system was set up earlier this year. I use it to listen to music from my iTunes collection (mostly ripped from CDs and copied from vinyl records) and look at images from my Aperture library.

I've also rented quite a few movies. The convenience is worth the cons (24 hour time limit, no special features as on DVDs). Overall, my family and I have been very happy with the purchase.

BoulderBum
Jun 9, 2008, 11:47 AM
Here's what I use my Apple TV for, in order of frequency:

1. Watching (HD) video podcasts streamed from the internet. I probably watch those more than normal TV.
2. Watching the most viewed videos on YouTube (same deal as point 1).
3. Renting movies without waiting for a queue/shipping delay or having to drive to a store (that's what I bought it for).
4. Showing my Flickr pictures/YouTube videos of my baby daughter to relatives, which is a snap, and automatically updates as you upload content once you subscribe to the feeds.

If all you want is a way to get iTunes to your stereo, consider the Airport Express vs. the Apple TV.

MikieMikie
Jun 9, 2008, 01:52 PM
Thanks for the feedback, Iíll try it. Which ďinternet databaseĒ has art, track names, and the like? That would be very useful.

Also, which software program should I use to copy a CDís files to iTunes? Will they have to be converted, as is required by movie files? I have now had a lot of experience using Handbrake to rip movie DVDs and convert them to MP4 format for iTunes but music CDs are a brand new ballgame for me.

The CDDB (as Galley pointed out) is what iTunes uses and it's automagic. So is the artwork fetch, as long as you tell iTunes in its preferences to look for it. Since every album is not on the ITMS, you may have to resort to other places for album/CD art. I find Barnes & Noble.com as well as Amazon.com fairly good when the art isn't in ITMS.

Use iTunes to autmatically rip them, and you're good to go!

queshy
Jun 10, 2008, 02:57 AM
The Apple website sells it very nicely. If you're not convinced, then it's not for you. Maybe watch MWSF 08?