Photography V [Archive] - Page 2

neut

Dec 1, 2003, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by idkew
Any tricks to keep the saturation high, besides pumping it way up before export to jpeg?

don't use embedded profiles unless your doing volume production work.

no matter what you do the gamma will ***** it right in the arse. i design on my TiPB and it looks so freakin' dark on my work PC...it drives me nuts. but it's cool when i make what i think is a mediocre image on the PC and on my mac it looks amazing :)

make it for you..then just tell everyone what you are using (be it: profiles, LCD/CRT, gamma, media (if its intended for print), etc.). otherwise it will dive ewe mad.

peace.

neut

Dec 1, 2003, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by idkew
a bong?

i see you've been paying attention :)

no. not a bong.

neut

Dec 1, 2003, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Blackhawk
How about a Vase ?????

nope. not a vaaz either. :)

Blackhawk

Dec 1, 2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by neut
nope. not a vaaz either. :)

Okay how about a Drinking Glass ??

neut

Dec 1, 2003, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by neut
what is this?

ok...it's a silver skull (plastic). it was hanging around on H day.

skull...
http://organech.com/images/examples/skull.jpg

idkew

Dec 1, 2003, 07:00 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by neut
don't use embedded profiles unless your doing volume production work.

Yep- i use my TiBook for porduction work for a Magazine. I have to embed profiles and such. Us Web Coated (SWOP) Yeah!

Oh well, I guess you all will have to remember, all my work I am showing you looks better on my machine :)

neut

Dec 1, 2003, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Blackhawk
Okay how about a Drinking Glass ??

i think i threw you off...no one was very close...except for the plastic part. :)

neut

Dec 1, 2003, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by idkew
Oh well, I guess you all will have to remember, all my work I am showing you looks better on my machine :)

hey, that goes foe me too! ;)

tazo

Dec 1, 2003, 08:27 PM

Here are some photos I took for an assignment of 'occupational portraits'. Do these convey the message of 'teacher'? Which one do you like best?

http://boycottbuymusic.com/photo/a.jpg

http://boycottbuymusic.com/photo/b.jpg

http://boycottbuymusic.com/photo/c.jpg

http://boycottbuymusic.com/photo/d.jpg

http://boycottbuymusic.com/photo/e.jpg

tazo

Dec 1, 2003, 08:49 PM

I really like this photo, I don't know why. I think it is the colors and the textures visible in it...I dunno :-D

http://www.boycottbuymusic.com/photo/gallery/image/truck.jpg/img]

and a macro shot with some visible DOF issues ;)

[img]http://www.boycottbuymusic.com/photo/gallery/image/22.jpg

neut

Dec 1, 2003, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by tazo
Here are some photos I took for an assignment of 'occupational portraits'. Do these convey the message of 'teacher'? Which one do you like best?

the first 2 and the last seem real...but the others (with the addition of the last) are composed with more worth of the title of 'teacher — occupational potrait'

?

peace.

neut

Dec 1, 2003, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by tazo
and a macro shot with some visible DOF issues ;)

i like the 'too close for focus' for this pic...it's like im getting poked in the face!

peace.

wdlove

Dec 1, 2003, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by tazo
I really like this photo, I don't know why. I think it is the colors and the textures visible in it...I dunno :-D

http://www.boycottbuymusic.com/photo/gallery/image/truck.jpg/img]

and a macro shot with some visible DOF issues ;)

[img]http://www.boycottbuymusic.com/photo/gallery/image/22.jpg

That is very nice tazo. It is very appropriate for this season.

tazo

Dec 1, 2003, 09:18 PM

thanks neut, wd ;) Your comments mean a lot to me!!

MacBandit

Dec 1, 2003, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by shadowfax
wow, that video gave me goosebumps too. that's incredible.

i dunno, i think that greys seem to have a different type of intelligence. it sounds like parrots are more adept at interactive human communication... i think determining just which one is more intelligent is subjective to the extreme.

I agree it's very hard to actually determine the intelligence difference between the species. The one thing I did come across for sure when I was researching it was everyone agree that there was too little research being done on birds.

That said some of the stuff I read about Ravens was absolutely amazing. The are quite capable of have a large vocabulary just like a parrot that's nothing new really. What surpised me was there handle on numbers. They are quite adept and recognising the number of people in a group and counting number of animals and other things. Not in the sense of communicating those numbers but in the sense of survival. One thing I read about was talking about using a bird blind and most birds you can fool into thinking you are gone from the blind so they come back to there nest, not Ravens. With most birds you take more then one person into the blind with you and then have them leave. The birds assume that threat is gone and come back to there nest. Ravens on the other hand know how many people went in. If 5 people went in they will wait until 5 people leave. In one situation they were able to fool a pair of Ravens by having a class room of kids go into the blind with them and having them leave. Apparently as with humans counting large numbers quickly can be tricky.

There were several other things that surprised me though including Ravens are the only known bird to actually make up games and play them in a group. They also hunt in packs and set traps for hawks. They will also communicate with other Ravens to let them know of a food source. I'm not talking about flying to them and then flying back to show them where the food is but actually communicating precisely where the food is with a language.

I'm glad I read about this there's some pretty good stuff it might even deserve a thread of it's own.

idkew

Dec 1, 2003, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by tazo
Here are some photos I took for an assignment of 'occupational portraits'. Do these convey the message of 'teacher'? Which one do you like best?

I definitely vote 1

it looks like the teacher is interacting, teaching, more in the first than in the pthers. plus the blur adds a nice bit of action.

idkew

Dec 1, 2003, 11:30 PM

in a weird way, this is all about christmas

tazo

Dec 1, 2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by idkew
I definitely vote 1

it looks like the teacher is interacting, teaching, more in the first than in the pthers. plus the blur adds a nice bit of action.

i agree with ya completely, however what chose me to choose number 3 was that in number 1 there is an extremely unflattering blurry/smudged nose effect on the little boy in the bottom left ; makes it look like he has an oddly shaped and flattened nose. the rest are all good imo, but the 3rd just does it for me...

thanks for commenting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tazo

Dec 1, 2003, 11:39 PM

somebody say christmas(-esque)??

;)

http://boycottbuymusic.com/photo/DSC03148-22.jpg

Not extremely sharp like the plant pictured :)

idkew

Dec 1, 2003, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by tazo
i agree with ya completely, however what chose me to choose number 3 was that in number 1 there is an extremely unflattering blurry/smudged nose effect on the little boy in the bottom left ; makes it look like he has an oddly shaped and flattened nose. the rest are all good imo, but the 3rd just does it for me...

thanks for commenting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well, in 3 the kids have thier heads down. it seems like they are bored and tired of being at school. in 1 they are interacting much more acively, the way we like to think kids act at school.

tazo

Dec 1, 2003, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by idkew
well, in 3 the kids have thier heads down. it seems like they are bored and tired of being at school. in 1 they are interacting much more acively, the way we like to think kids act at school.

exactly -- which is why no. 3 is unconventional. one it was taken at the kid's perspective. and two it shows what kids are often really thinking! the others are typical of a classroom setting, but for me no. 3 is the best --although all of em have something going for them.

MacBandit

Dec 2, 2003, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by tazo
Here are some photos I took for an assignment of 'occupational portraits'. Do these convey the message of 'teacher'? Which one do you like best?

I agree No. 3. It's the angle of the shot it shows the childrens perspective but also shows the children.

I like No. 1 because it does show the activity of a class room. Even knowing what you considered a fault in the photo I look right at the kids nose and I don't see it as a problem. It just looks blurred like the rest of the photo, at least at this small size.

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit
I always heard Ravens were the smartest birds. They use tools in the wild and can be taught to talk very well.

We were only talking about pets as far as I know...

For some reason I didn't get any email from the forums...BTW when I mentioned that I got my avatar and said I'd stop posting mindless drivel, I wasn't posting just to get the avatar...I hope that was clear :) I went downtown today but I have to write a quick program (which could possibly take hours :)) so I don't know if I'll be able to post any just yet :)

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by shadowfax
not to stray too far off topic, but i disagree about captivity. i think it's neat to keep african grays in captivity--not in puny torturous cages, but in spacious cages and in such a way that they get out a lot. parrots are a lot of fun to interact with, and having seen more than my share of cockatoos, macaws, and african grays, i think they often enjoy it as much as us humans do. ah well.

you should post some shots of your parents' congo.

I agree...my cockatoo lifts it's wing so that you'll pet under it....it will actually continue to lift it so you keep doing it an never leave it...it also makes a loud, long beeping noise to get you to come back so it'll stop :)....it really seems to me that they enjoy it...I do like to leave them out all the time....it used to be practically free in the house except it now lives in the garage because cockatoos have a lot of powder that keeps them from getting wet among other things...it's somewhat my bird but my grandfather takes care of her mostly...I'll probably take her when I move out...she'll probably out live me :D...I also read somewhere that cockatoo's can remember people they've seen only once for their entire lifetime...and it's not vague...they remember the person exactly as they were...kinda makes people immortal to cockatoos I guess...

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:21 AM

MacBandit

Dec 2, 2003, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by zync
We were only talking about pets as far as I know.......

I've met more then one person with either a Raven a Crow or a Magpie for a pet. Use to be fairly common among farmers in Northern California.

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by neut
Raiven? that's my daughter!

im an eagle, but thats not how i spell it...

what is this?

Ummm, looks like a chrome skull...possibly glass?

MacBandit

Dec 2, 2003, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by zync
I agree, but I have yet to see the video...I'll wait until I can hook up to some broadband :)....many predatory birds seem really intelligent as well....

The video is only 1.2MB. I'd go ahead and download it even if you are on a modem.

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by neut
ok...it's a silver skull (plastic). it was hanging around on H day.

skull...

OK, I really hadn't seen this before I posted the answer...just looked like teeth to me....I don't know why it was so hard but it was fun :)

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by neut
hey, that goes foe me too! ;)

I think that's pretty standard...I ran into that problem with that edit I did on MacMumm's desert photo...

idkew

Dec 2, 2003, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by zync
Ummm, looks like a chrome skull...possibly glass?

you peaked!

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 01:28 AM

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/57991http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/57991

Vote for me!!!! I got into finalists for this weeks assignment!! help ur ol' macrumors bud out :)

idkew

Dec 2, 2003, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by tazo
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/57991http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/57991

Vote for me!!!! I got into finalists for this weeks assignment!! help ur ol' macrumors bud out :)

looks like i need to sign up... got a u/p i could use to vote per chance? not going to sign up for it.

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by idkew
looks like i need to sign up... got a u/p i could use to vote per chance? not going to sign up for it.

check ur pm's, we'll work something out...

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by idkew
in a weird way, this is all about christmas

Have you been tapping your neighbors' power so that you could make a bigger christmas light show than that guy from texas did before he sold his lights to disney?

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by tazo
Here are some photos I took for an assignment of 'occupational portraits'. Do these convey the message of 'teacher'? Which one do you like best?

Everyone likes 3 but that's my second choice...I like the last one because it shows a more intimate idea of what a teacher is, an active helper in learning....

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 01:40 AM

yah yah i cant change my entry now as the 3rd one already is a finalist!!! now vote in the weekly assignments forum on FM!!!

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit
I've met more then one person with either a Raven a Crow or a Magpie for a pet. Use to be fairly common among farmers in Northern California.

I meant more of a traditional pet bird...yes I know people have them as pets...Jake from The Shawshank Redemption was a raven...

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by idkew
you peaked!

Nah, I would've been shameless and said it was plastic instead of chrome :D

MacBandit, I'll DL it while I'm taking my shower in a few minutes then...

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by tazo
yah yah i cant change my entry now as the 3rd one already is a finalist!!! now vote in the weekly assignments forum on FM!!!

Well man that's sweet! See, all your work paid off...now I'm going to go vote! Now you gotta hope we both make it to finals for the MA :D

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 01:52 AM

And I voted...right now you're tied at 1st :)....also I got my domain set up (Yes, Tazo I told them Dan sent me, that crazy kid from boycottbuymusic.com :D)...when the DNS resolves it's changes you'll be able to go to gra-phix.com for all your Joe photography needs :) Of course that's when I get it all set up :) Anyone know a good frontend for ftp or sftp? or ssh?

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 02:33 AM

That raven video was awesome...I knew I always liked them for a reason other than their cool color...on a side not my cockatoo used to open the latch on it's own cage, which doesn't seem possible to open from the inside...as a result it's now locked...oh and she pays attention to where you are if she's on her post...if you walk away or look away she'll climb down and walk to you...

MacBandit

Dec 2, 2003, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by zync
That raven video was awesome...I knew I always liked them for a reason other than their cool color...on a side not my cockatoo used to open the latch on it's own cage, which doesn't seem possible to open from the inside...as a result it's now locked...oh and she pays attention to where you are if she's on her post...if you walk away or look away she'll climb down and walk to you...

Actually it was a Crow which is also quite intelligent but a big step below the Raven.

As for intelligence I'm going to mix this up a bit. My pet rabbit knows it's bed time when I turn off the TV at night and goes and gets in his cage on his own.

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit
Actually it was a Crow which is also quite intelligent but a big step below the Raven.

As for intelligence I'm going to mix this up a bit. My pet rabbit knows it's bed time when I turn off the TV at night and goes and gets in his cage on his own.

Really? (on both accounts :))

MacBandit

Dec 2, 2003, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by zync
Really? (on both accounts :))

Yes.

zync

Dec 2, 2003, 07:11 AM

Well I've gotten all but extra credit parts of my program done...it's only like 7:11...good morning all, I'm going to sleep :o

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 08:52 AM

i am umm losing pretty badt right now in the assignment...

20-8-6-6, i have 6.

:(

Moxiemike

Dec 2, 2003, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by tazo
i am umm losing pretty badt right now in the assignment...

20-8-6-6, i have 6.

:(

You gotta admit that bellhop is gonna be tough to beat.

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Moxiemike
You gotta admit that bellhop is gonna be tough to beat.

very true! I am hoping for a 2nd or third place finish, but only time will tell! eh?

neut

Dec 2, 2003, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by tazo
very true! I am hoping for a 2nd or third place finish, but only time will tell! eh?

your at third place now @ 12. 2nd place is only at 14!

come on people, lets help out our bud! Vote Tazo!

peace.

wdlove

Dec 2, 2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by tazo
somebody say christmas(-esque)??

;)

http://boycottbuymusic.com/photo/DSC03148-22.jpg

Not extremely sharp like the plant pictured :)

Thank you for posting the picture of the Holly bush tazo. It just happens that your focus is on one or two leaves, that is nicely done.

Looking past yours now I miss seeing more of your beautiful pictures. How about posting some more? ;)

I'm sorry tazo, it wasn't my intention to upset you in any way. I meant it to be a positive comment.

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 05:59 PM

awww wd :) ur gonna make me cry ;) Hopefully I will be able to check out the cam over winter break and then I'll have 2 weeks of shooting bliss ;)

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by neut
your at third place now @ 12. 2nd place is only at 14!

come on people, lets help out our bud! Vote Tazo!

peace.

heh, the leads for 1st and 2nd have jumped considerably; it is now 35-21-15, with me being in third..

still not bad for an amateur of like 2 months with some serious enthusiasts/pros ;)

PLEASE VOTE FOR ME YALL! ya know i would for u guys :)

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 06:04 PM

I dunno why but I have just started recently liking this photo :)

http://www.boycottbuymusic.com/photo/gallery/image/circus.jpg

I love the happy go-lucky feeling it gives off :)

agdickinson

Dec 2, 2003, 06:20 PM

I was out in Newcastle (UK) and took this photo in the dimming lights....

agdickinson

Dec 2, 2003, 06:23 PM

I was in Yosemite in April and found this really nice photo (okay took it then :D)

There is just so much to choose from in photo's when visiting Yosemite National Park :)

MacBandit

Dec 2, 2003, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by agdickinson
I was in Yosemite in April and found this really nice photo (okay took it then :D)

There is just so much to choose from in photo's when visiting Yosemite National Park :)

I've been right where you were standing. Did you go into any of the caves formed by the rubble of boulders? They're right near where you took the photo.

agdickinson

Dec 2, 2003, 06:50 PM

Hi MacBandit,

Unfortunately no I did not know about the caves. But it gives me a good excuse to come back to Yosemite. ( Got the airmiles to visit back to SF).

I'd like to return sometime and stay over and explore. When I visited it was on a Bus trip from SF so I only had around 3 hours in the park.

I almost missed the bus back as I was really enjoying the countryside and geography. I work in Computing but my real love is Geography. Give me a camera and a park and I'm happy :)

Do you have any pictures of the caves / boulders as I'd love to see them.

As I came in April the snow was just starting to melt, so the river was flowing quite a bit. It's an amazing place.

I'm hoping to get a job back in North America sometime soon, if only so that I have the chance to visit National Parks more often :)

MacBandit

Dec 2, 2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by agdickinson
Hi MacBandit,

Unfortunately no I did not know about the caves. But it gives me a good excuse to come back to Yosemite. ( Got the airmiles to visit back to SF).

I'd like to return sometime and stay over and explore. When I visited it was on a Bus trip from SF so I only had around 3 hours in the park.

I almost missed the bus back as I was really enjoying the countryside and geography. I work in Computing but my real love is Geography. Give me a camera and a park and I'm happy :)

Do you have any pictures of the caves / boulders as I'd love to see them.

As I came in April the snow was just starting to melt, so the river was flowing quite a bit. It's an amazing place.

I'm hoping to get a job back in North America sometime soon, if only so that I have the chance to visit National Parks more often :)

Unfortunately I do not have any photos of the caves. I was about 14 when I was there last and photography wasn't high on my list of things to do. Besides the place is so amazing it's easy to forget to take photos. It is definitely one of the most amazing places in the US.

The caves aren't very big. They're basically just large crawls spaces under the large piles of boulders. They're well sealed up from the top though with dirt and rock so they are definitely a very dark cavern.

neut

Dec 2, 2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by tazo
I dunno why but I have just started recently liking this photo :)

[img]http://www.boycottbuymusic.com/photo/gallery/image/circus.jpg/img]

I love the happy go-lucky feeling it gives off :)

swimming ducks! swimming ducks!

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 07:08 PM

hmm thats an abstract idea of the photo.. :)

in actuality it was a bit of fun with christmas lights and long exposures ;)

idkew

Dec 2, 2003, 09:09 PM

more PHOTOS!

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 09:10 PM

I will be posting some when i have the camera again during winter break :) than you'll be seeing way to many of my photos ;)

idkew

Dec 2, 2003, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by tazo
I will be posting some when i have the camera again during winter break :) than you'll be seeing way to many of my photos ;)

so i gather you do not have a camera? you should really save up man! it is definitely worth the few bucks!

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 09:37 PM

nope no camera. saving up for a digital rebel, lense and accessories...

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 10:52 PM

Come on people! If just 6 people vote for my picture that I can be tied for 2nd!!! help ol tazo out!

idkew

Dec 2, 2003, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by tazo
nope no camera. saving up for a digital rebel, lense and accessories...

not sure what the price differences are, but the nikon d100 is a mighty nice camera. you should talk to eye about it.

MacBandit

Dec 2, 2003, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by idkew
not sure what the price differences are, but the nikon d100 is a mighty nice camera. you should talk to eye about it.

For the money you can't beat the Digital Rebel the D100 and 10D are both at least $400 more.

tazo

Dec 2, 2003, 11:52 PM

OK, for one, the d100 is way too big in my hands. I am a big guy and I have big hands, but holding the d100 was just was too awkward. The digital rebel feels like it was designed with a humanly (proportioned) hand in mind ;)

besides, the digital rebel is 500 dollars cheaper, which will give me money to spend on a decent lense/tripod. Not to mention ya gotta buy a big memory card with a 6mp cam.

The d100 is nice but it aint for everybody...it is also more camera than I realistically need at this "skill" level.

MacBandit

Dec 3, 2003, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by tazo
OK, for one, the d100 is way too big in my hands. I am a big guy and I have big hands, but holding the d100 was just was too awkward. The digital rebel feels like it was designed with a humanly (proportioned) hand in mind ;)

besides, the digital rebel is 500 dollars cheaper, which will give me money to spend on a decent lense/tripod. Not to mention ya gotta buy a big memory card with a 6mp cam.

The d100 is nice but it aint for everybody...it is also more camera than I realistically need at this "skill" level.

Those are all excellent points. For one thing the Digital Rebel is basically a Cannon 10D with a plastic body and a some software limitations. Beyond that it's the exact same camera. Yes, some of the features limited by software would have been nice but get real you're paying $500 less for basically the same camera. Also from what I've read the Digital Rebel doesn't have the focusing problems that some of the 10Ds apparently have.

tazo

Dec 3, 2003, 01:48 AM

I think what it will come down to is that ultimately it all has to do with the lenses. get the best body ya can, and get really good lenses at the time...

digital rebel +50mm prime, some kind of decent telephoto range lense, tripod, and big fatty cf card=much more than i have right now...

:)

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 01:51 AM

Tazo,

Sorry...I'd vote for you again if I could :)

On a different note I'm suprised that there was only one page waiting here to greet me....and few new pictures...as I mentioned I got a few shots downtown (147 is a few :))....

I have many shots of this one but this is the best....in a few of them I used the fountain to obscure the H so it looks like Joe Cl....like my name....anyway, here's the pic after a minor levels adjustment...

edit: I like the motion in the foreground and background while the middle ground remains still....oh, and I didn't use a tripod :)

tazo

Dec 3, 2003, 01:55 AM

heh thx. looks like the final score is gonna be with me in 3rd...i am still happy to get into the finalists :)

MacBandit

Dec 3, 2003, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by tazo
I think what it will come down to is that ultimately it all has to do with the lenses. get the best body ya can, and get really good lenses at the time...

digital rebel +50mm prime, some kind of decent telephoto range lense, tripod, and big fatty cf card=much more than i have right now...

:)

I agree the lenses make the camera. You're much better off with a slightly cheaper but every bit as capable camera if you can afford a lot more lenses then you are with the more expensive camera and no lenses.

MacBandit

Dec 3, 2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by zync
Tazo,

Sorry...I'd vote for you again if I could :)

On a different note I'm suprised that there was only one page waiting here to greet me....and few new pictures...as I mentioned I got a few shots downtown (147 is a few :))....

I have many shots of this one but this is the best....in a few of them I used the fountain to obscure the H so it looks like Joe Cl....like my name....anyway, here's the pic after a minor levels adjustment...

edit: I like the motion in the foreground and background while the middle ground remains still....oh, and I didn't use a tripod :)

That's excellent for not having a tripod. What's that about a 1 sec exposure?

A caught a little bit of irony in your photo. The fact that the place is called Hillsboro when the tallest land formation for a hundred miles is an overpass.:)

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit
That's excellent for not having a tripod. What's that about a 1 sec exposure?

A caught a little bit of irony in your photo. The fact that the place is called Hillsboro when the tallest land formation for a hundred miles is an overpass.:)

Yeah I always found that funny...that's the county, and why it's put on the courthouse sign in downtown tampa I'll never know...actually it's Hillsborough....maybe it's because the hills burrowed....I have no idea (or humor sometimes :))...anyway it was around 1-2 seconds...I didn't set a delay but it was dark enough and the cars and stuff was moving fast enough that I was banking on 50 ISO making the shutter speed longer....for some reason my S400 will lengthen the time if it's not specifically set, even in manual mode, if there's not enoug light...

On the way home from downtown:

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 02:41 AM

Two more...I'll post more tomorrow and I'll also be working on my site if I can...it's now at gra-phix.com (shameless plug I know :)) but nothing's really transferred yet...I'm probably going to remove some of the stuff I have on my USF Site and possibly enlarge the pictures :)

I really like the fact that the alley is dark and the lighting appears to be really green (kind of matrix-like) yet you can see clear day on the other side...

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 02:52 AM

This one would probably look great at night!

MacBandit

Dec 3, 2003, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by zync
This one would probably look great at night!

Definitely you go to get close and take a photo from ground level looking up against the sky. It might even work with a slight tilt to the camera.

Snowy_River

Dec 3, 2003, 04:54 AM

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by Snowy_River
Honestly, this video didn't impress me much. I've read several studies that tend to debunk the idea that tool making and using are good indicators of what we would consider intelligence. The ability to have abstract thought is a much better (though much harder to measure) indicator of intelligence. In that area, I believe that Grays are the only birds that have passed the test fully.

True, but that represents a different kind of intelligence. According to Piaget (I believe it was piaget) humans go through an evolution from this sort of thinking towards abstract thought...and yes I agree, I think Greys seem to be the smartest.

Snowy_River

Dec 3, 2003, 05:04 AM

Here are some of my favorites:

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/flora/flora-Images/0.jpg

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/flora/flora-Images/16.jpg

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/flora/flora-Images/17.jpg

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/fauna/fauna-Images/3.jpg

As an interesting note, given the earlier discussion of handheld vs. tripod, this one was taken with a 300mm lens. I never expected it to come out, as it wasn't bright enough out, so my shutter speed was only about 1/60 s. Beyond anything I could have hoped for, my hand held steady for the shot. So, while it may not be the best way to do it, it is possible to do...
http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/fauna/fauna-Images/17.jpg

And, on the topic of birds, here's my feathered friend...
http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/fauna/fauna-Images/20.jpg

Snowy_River

Dec 3, 2003, 05:15 AM

And, how about a few more. Right?

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/people/people-Images/3.jpg

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/other/other-Images/5.jpg

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/other/other-Images/1.jpg

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/civilization/civilization-Images/13.jpg

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/civilization/civilization-Images/17.jpg

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/civilization/civilization-Images/19.jpg

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 05:20 AM

Snowy, most of those are beautiful, but what's with the quality?

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 12:23 PM

Where'd everyone go? Today the winners for MA 06 will be picked at fredmiranda.com (hereafter called FM)....so I wish everyone who posted a picture luck....for any of you who post here and don't post there you really should, it's fun....now after that plug....for some reason I'm not subscribed to this thread anymore...I dunno why...but lemme post some more pictures before I go to take more shots on campus....I also posted my entry for WA 91 on FM....

This shot was one of my favorites from the trip...that's me and my girl...

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 12:24 PM

OK so which one is a bettery entry for WA91?

This?

http://helios.acomp.usf.edu/~clay4/img/linked/backlit.jpg

or this? And would it even count?

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 12:25 PM

I will post better quality pictures of those on my website later on when I work on it tonight :)

Snowy_River

Dec 3, 2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by zync
Snowy, most of those are beautiful, but what's with the quality?

In a word... size.

tazo

Dec 3, 2003, 12:53 PM

compositionally joe i like the greenlit phone buttons. nice placement along the lower right third.

i am gonna try and get the digital camera over winter break. can u imagine!? 2 weeks of shooting bliss....

neut

Dec 3, 2003, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by zync
On the way home from downtown:

nice. that reminds me of my drive home...i've got tons of sunrise/sunset shots from my car.

lets go for a drive.http://www.organech.com/images/examples/lets-go-for-a-drive_01.jpg

lets go for a drive..http://www.organech.com/images/examples/lets-go-for-a-drive_02.jpg

lets go for a drive...http://www.organech.com/images/examples/lets-go-for-a-drive_03.jpg

peace.

MacBandit

Dec 3, 2003, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Snowy_River
Honestly, this video didn't impress me much. I've read several studies that tend to debunk the idea that tool making and using are good indicators of what we would consider intelligence. The ability to have abstract thought is a much better (though much harder to measure) indicator of intelligence. In that area, I believe that Grays are the only birds that have passed the test fully.

Would making up games with a clear goal be considered abstract though?

Also would you consider the ability to communicate a location by communication alone not by physically showing the bird intelligence?

What about having a grasp for numbers? This is something that even Chimps and Gorillas have a hard time with.

Also just because the Greys have passed doesn't mean that Ravens or Black birds have even been tested. They're is definitely a lack of research when it comes to bird intelligence.

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Snowy_River
In a word... size.

In two: Thought so :)

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by tazo
compositionally joe i like the greenlit phone buttons. nice placement along the lower right third.

i am gonna try and get the digital camera over winter break. can u imagine!? 2 weeks of shooting bliss....

Yeah, i was thinking about the thirds :)

I hope you can get it, hell I hope you get enough money for christmas to buy your digital rebel!

MacBandit

Dec 3, 2003, 02:01 PM

Everyone has been complaining trying to get there photos down to a certain size.

Well I never have any problems. I drop the size down to 800x600 using GraphicConverter and then save it out as a Jpeg from GraphicConverter using usually no less than a 95% quality setting in the Jpeg options box.

I have used Photoshop and Preview and other programs in the past and for some reason none of them will save as small and retain as much quality as GraphicConverter.

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by neut
nice. that reminds me of my drive home...i've got tons of sunrise/sunset shots from my car.

lets go for a drive.

lets go for a drive..

lets go for a drive...

peace.

The last one is my favorite it looks like a spider made of light or something but the best part is the colors in the sky...I think I got some good shots when I went around campus today...maybe I'll UL a few in a minute :)

Snowy_River

Dec 3, 2003, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
Would making up games with a clear goal be considered abstract though?

I think, from what I recall, the answer to this is no. You can find games being played by some of the most simple animals which few people would argue have true intelligence.

Also would you consider the ability to communicate a location by communication alone not by physically showing the bird intelligence?

No. By this measure then bees are pretty smart creatures...

What about having a grasp for numbers? This is something that even Chimps and Gorillas have a hard time with.

This could indicate abstract thought, but not necessarily. It depends on how it's implemented.

Also just because the Greys have passed doesn't mean that Ravens or Black birds have even been tested. They're is definitely a lack of research when it comes to bird intelligence.

Actually, the studies I've read have covered an extensive breadth of critters. If memory serve, it included seals, monkeys (of various kinds), domesticated animals (cats, dogs, pigs), wild tool users (otters, squirrels), and birds of various kinds (including several kinds of parrots as well as some crows or ravens - I don't remember which).

Now, as I said before, it's by no means easy to measure abstract thought. Parrot's ability to use human languages clearly makes this much easier. However, there were some really clever means devised to gain channels of communication with the other animals.

Also, it's important to note that there are different kinds of intelligence. The intelligence of abstract thought is simply what has been deemed to be most representative of human intelligence, or so I've read. I don't dispute the fact that crows and ravens are very smart birds, I'm just questioning that the nature of that intelligence.

Now, to keep this a little on topic (but with a nod to the feathered nature of this side discussion...), here's a few more photos:

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/fauna/fauna-Images/19.jpg

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/fauna/fauna-Images/28.jpg

http://users.myexcel.com/geoffw/photography/fauna/fauna-Images/53.jpg

Snowy_River

Dec 3, 2003, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
Everyone has been complaining trying to get there photos down to a certain size.

Well I never have any problems. I drop the size down to 800x600 using GraphicConverter and then save it out as a Jpeg from GraphicConverter using usually no less than a 95% quality setting in the Jpeg options box.

I have used Photoshop and Preview and other programs in the past and for some reason none of them will save as small and retain as much quality as GraphicConverter.

Size for me has less to do with the requirement of getting it down to upload it here, but rather a matter of getting down to save server room where my galleries are stored.

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
Everyone has been complaining trying to get there photos down to a certain size.

Well I never have any problems. I drop the size down to 800x600 using GraphicConverter and then save it out as a Jpeg from GraphicConverter using usually no less than a 95% quality setting in the Jpeg options box.

I have used Photoshop and Preview and other programs in the past and for some reason none of them will save as small and retain as much quality as GraphicConverter.

I'll try graphic converter....we'll see...it seems like older versions of photoshop would save smaller files....maybe not...then I was using it on windows though...

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by Snowy_River
Size for me has less to do with the requirement of getting it down to upload it here, but rather a matter of getting down to save server room where my galleries are stored.

Figured....why don't you check out crisishost.com? Tazo recommended a few of us to go there....I just finished signing up yesterday, now I'm the proud owner of gra-phix.com....I have 300MB of space and 6GB of bandwith :)

MacBandit

Dec 3, 2003, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by zync
I'll try graphic converter....we'll see...it seems like older versions of photoshop would save smaller files....maybe not...then I was using it on windows though...

Something else to make sure to do in GraphicConverter is to make sure you have all options for icons turned off including resources.

Custom icons can nearly double a 150KB image to 300KB or more.

MacBandit

Dec 3, 2003, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Snowy_River
I think, from what I recall, the answer to this is no. You can find games being played by some of the most simple animals which few people would argue have true intelligence.

No. By this measure then bees are pretty smart creatures...

This could indicate abstract thought, but not necessarily. It depends on how it's implemented.

Actually, the studies I've read have covered an extensive breadth of critters. If memory serve, it included seals, monkeys (of various kinds), domesticated animals (cats, dogs, pigs), wild tool users (otters, squirrels), and birds of various kinds (including several kinds of parrots as well as some crows or ravens - I don't remember which).

Now, as I said before, it's by no means easy to measure abstract thought. Parrot's ability to use human languages clearly makes this much easier. However, there were some really clever means devised to gain channels of communication with the other animals.

Also, it's important to note that there are different kinds of intelligence. The intelligence of abstract thought is simply what has been deemed to be most representative of human intelligence, or so I've read. I don't dispute the fact that crows and ravens are very smart birds, I'm just questioning that the nature of that intelligence.

Now, to keep this a little on topic (but with a nod to the feathered nature of this side discussion...), here's a few more photos:

From what I have read Ravens are every bit as capable at mastering human languages as Parrots. Also I think complex problem solving the type Ravens and some Crows are capable of shows a high degree of abstract though. They can do this without being shown how to. An obstacle can be set up and they can acquire the necessary tools and can construct the necessary tools on there own in order to reach a goal.

The level of communication I was referring to with the Ravens is nothing like that of bees. Bees use scent trails much like ants do. Ravens can communicate with there flock or family specifically where a food source is without showing them where it is and without the flock having ever been there.

Also the games they make up are not always the same they are quite complex and can be put on the same level as human sports with rules and boundaries.

Snowy_River

Dec 3, 2003, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by zync
Figured....why don't you check out crisishost.com? Tazo recommended a few of us to go there....I just finished signing up yesterday, now I'm the proud owner of gra-phix.com....I have 300MB of space and 6GB of bandwith :)

Wow, that's really quite a deal. I've just registered ghwphoto.com, but now I'm trying to figure out how to activate one of the hosting options. I like the 300MB plan, too. That should keep me happy for a while. I'll let Josh know that you sent me over to him when he gets back to me about signing up for hosting.

(Heretofore, I've used DotEasy. While they're great, they can't compete with the services and prices that CrisisHost offers...)

shadowfax

Dec 3, 2003, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
From what I have read Ravens are every bit as capable at mastering human languages as Parrots. Also I think complex problem solving the type Ravens and some Crows are capable of shows a high degree of abstract though. They can do this without being shown how to. An obstacle can be set up and they can acquire the necessary tools and can construct the necessary tools on there own in order to reach a goal.

The level of communication I was referring to with the Ravens is nothing like that of bees. Bees use scent trails much like ants do. Ravens can communicate with there flock or family specifically where a food source is without showing them where it is and without the flock having ever been there.

Also the games they make up are not always the same they are quite complex and can be put on the same level as human sports with rules and boundaries. on the subject of abstract thought, though, none of these things qualifies very much as abstract thought. communicating in a human language is no qualification for abstract thought, in my opinion. i would still very much maintain that there is a fundamental difference between this brand of intelligence and the synthesis-oriented intelligence that humans exhibit, even at very young ages.

why in hell haven't we made a thread for this? we've already had at least 10 posts about it.

Snowy_River

Dec 3, 2003, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
From what I have read Ravens are every bit as capable at mastering human languages as Parrots. Also I think complex problem solving the type Ravens and some Crows are capable of shows a high degree of abstract though. They can do this without being shown how to. An obstacle can be set up and they can acquire the necessary tools and can construct the necessary tools on there own in order to reach a goal.

The level of communication I was referring to with the Ravens is nothing like that of bees. Bees use scent trails much like ants do. Ravens can communicate with there flock or family specifically where a food source is without showing them where it is and without the flock having ever been there.

Also the games they make up are not always the same they are quite complex and can be put on the same level as human sports with rules and boundaries.

As a final thought (meaning that this unrelated thread seems to me to have gone on long enough, and I'm not going to further it any more, but you can feel free to have the last word ;) ), tool use doesn't relate to the ability to think abstractly. Abstract thought is the ability to understand that both a stick and a wall are made of wood, in other words, the understanding of the abstraction of what wood is.

As to bees, they may use scent trails, but it has also been well documented that there is a 'dance' that communicates the location of food, even if the scent trail has been dissipated. So, here again, this type of communication doesn't strike me as a real indication of intelligence. (However, it doesn't indicate a lack of intelligence, either.)

As I don't know anything about the games that crows or ravens play, I can't really comment much on these.

All in all, I think that intelligence is a very difficult thing to measure. I also think that a lot of animals are a lot more intelligent than most people give them credit for, especially birds.

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Snowy_River
Wow, that's really quite a deal. I've just registered ghwphoto.com, but now I'm trying to figure out how to activate one of the hosting options. I like the 300MB plan, too. That should keep me happy for a while. I'll let Josh know that you sent me over to him when he gets back to me about signing up for hosting.

(Heretofore, I've used DotEasy. While they're great, they can't compete with the services and prices that CrisisHost offers...)

Well, all you have to do is park it. He'll tell you the DNS and you put it in and voila 10-12 hours later you're up....and OMG does he reply quickly to email....when I had the same question I emailed him and he replied probably within about ten minutes....oh and thanks for the plug :) The only problem I'm having is setting up email with OSX's mail client, Mail :) I can only get it to receive for some reason...I'll probably just have it auto set up for outlook on my win machine and then copy the settings over :)

tazo

Dec 3, 2003, 05:59 PM

hot damn!? So snowy river, you signed up at crisishosting as well?

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by tazo
hot damn!? So snowy river, you signed up at crisishosting as well?

it appears so...

tazo

Dec 3, 2003, 06:05 PM

Chalk another one up for tazo eh? I think I have given Josh 7 or so, well-deserved clients :)

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by tazo
Chalk another one up for tazo eh? I think I have given Josh 7 or so, well-deserved clients :)

Actually I think snowy's telling him my name as a reference since I just told him about it, but you told me about it so you can have the reference if you wish :)

tazo

Dec 3, 2003, 06:12 PM

well thats good for either of us....

:)

more clients= good for josh :0

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 10:22 PM

Well the results are in on MA 06 at FM....somehow I lost to "blur, and all that jazz"....I don't want to bash anyone really but c'mon that picture looks so amateur...I mean even if they didn't take mine at all I'd be ok with it as long as that one didn't make it :) Oh well...you win some you lose some...the guy who's going to win most likely liked my entry and so did you guys so that's all I need :)

tazo

Dec 3, 2003, 10:27 PM

Joe,

maybe you recall when Mike got into 2 weeks ago's weekly assignment, and I did not, despite getting an immense amount of positive feedback on the photo. i was pretty upset and I tried to take it out by criticizing the other photographer's work. Now I didnt get into that assignment's finalist position, but I did for this weeks! I will probably finish in 3rd place and I am happy about that. I am competing with photographers with years more experience, much nicer cameras and lenses, and access to stuff I do not.

To be honest, I think I take some decent pix with this pos sony. I think it is all about the perspective of how you look at it; I took my time, planned my shot [for last weeks assignment] out, and got what I was wanting. It was selected as a finalist and I'll probably end up in 3rd amongst people much more talented than myself.

Keep trying joe -- your week/month will come :)

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by tazo
Joe,

maybe you recall when Mike got into 2 weeks ago's weekly assignment, and I did not, despite getting an immense amount of positive feedback on the photo. i was pretty upset and I tried to take it out by criticizing the other photographer's work. Now I didnt get into that assignment's finalist position, but I did for this weeks! I will probably finish in 3rd place and I am happy about that. I am competing with photographers with years more experience, much nicer cameras and lenses, and access to stuff I do not.

To be honest, I think I take some decent pix with this pos sony. I think it is all about the perspective of how you look at it; I took my time, planned my shot [for last weeks assignment] out, and got what I was wanting. It was selected as a finalist and I'll probably end up in 3rd amongst people much more talented than myself.

Keep trying joe -- your week/month will come :)

I shall...I would be content with just being a finalist, hell I'd actually just be content if that one picture had not made finals....I'm sorry but I don't think it's quality compares AT ALL to any of the others, mine excluded....It looks like someone had tried to take a picture of someone playing the drums and set the ISO speed too slow and had camera shake....but yes, I shall keep trying...

tazo

Dec 3, 2003, 10:51 PM

I know what you are going through.

I submitted my really pretty cross shot, got tons of people liking it, but it didnt make it. And I loved that shot! I mean I was really happy with it in all regards, yet this one that got into the finalists I was not so proud of, not so enamored with. just keep trying joe :)

zync

Dec 3, 2003, 10:54 PM

Tazo, thanks for talking about this with me :) Do you agree with me though? I'm just wondering if I'm way off here. What do you think of blur and all that jazz?

tazo

Dec 3, 2003, 11:46 PM

they werent very good imo. But you have to ignore the other entries. what it comes down to is trying your best to get what you see in your mind, to what is seen on the screen...forget the contests-- try and improve like I am trying to :)

Wardofsky

Dec 4, 2003, 02:40 AM

Me thinks this page is devoid of any pics...

http://home.iprimus.com.au/netgainz/post/chim.jpg

zync

Dec 4, 2003, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Wardofsky
Me thinks this page is devoid of any pics...

Thanks!

MacBandit

Dec 4, 2003, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by Snowy_River
As a final thought (meaning that this unrelated thread seems to me to have gone on long enough, and I'm not going to further it any more, but you can feel free to have the last word ;) ), tool use doesn't relate to the ability to think abstractly. Abstract thought is the ability to understand that both a stick and a wall are made of wood, in other words, the understanding of the abstraction of what wood is.

As to bees, they may use scent trails, but it has also been well documented that there is a 'dance' that communicates the location of food, even if the scent trail has been dissipated. So, here again, this type of communication doesn't strike me as a real indication of intelligence. (However, it doesn't indicate a lack of intelligence, either.)

As I don't know anything about the games that crows or ravens play, I can't really comment much on these.

All in all, I think that intelligence is a very difficult thing to measure. I also think that a lot of animals are a lot more intelligent than most people give them credit for, especially birds.

Agreed.

Hows that for a last word, its actually only one word.