3G iPhone Hardware Supports Tri-band HSDPA and GPS?

[MacRumors]

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Engadget claims (http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/06/iphone-3g-iphone-firmware-leaked-tri-band-hsdpa-and-gps-are-go/) to have heard from a "reliable source" that a private version of the 3G iPhone's firmware has been dissected revealing the following hardware support:- Infineon PMB6952 / S-GOLD3 six-band UMTS / HSDPA transceiver
- Murata LMRX3JCA-479 tri-band amplifier (we're assuming for the 3G)
- Sony SP9T - antenna Switch for GSM / UMTS dual mode
- ARM 1176JZF-S - Main CPU (same as in 1st gen iPhone)
- Skyworks 77427 - UMTS / HSDPA tx 1900, rx 2100MHz
- Skyworks 77414 - UMTS / HSDPA 1900
- Skyworks 77413 - UMTS / HSDPA 850MHz
- Internal build model number: n82ap (1st gen iPhone was model m68ap)
- UMTS Power Saving - on or off
- Hooks for Global Locate Library (GLL), software that handles GPS related commands for the host processorEngadget suggests that this is evidence for GPS support as well as Tri-band HSDPA (3G) support making it compatible with international carriers. GigaOM (http://gigaom.com/2008/05/30/the-new-iphones-new-winner/) had previously "confirmed" GPS support was present with the contract going to Broadcom. If true, the specs also reveal the main processor for the next iPhone would be the same as the existing iPhone.

The 3G-capable iPhone is expected to be announced during Apple's WWDC keynote speech on Monday, June 9th at 10am Pacific.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/06/3g-iphone-hardware-supports-tri-band-hsdpa-and-gps/)

[iPhoneHome]

Great News!!

Time to take some pics for Ebay. Goodbye old friend....

[flavamactop]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

[poppe]

Same processor?

Same processor but more powerful perhaps?

[macthetiger85]

That's exciting - can't wait for my first iPhone (daddy's day present) :)

[DisturbedSith]

Does any of this mean that the iPhone will be supported on the Verizon network?

[louden]

Looks like a world-wide launch! What's the record in sales of any device/movie/game over a week or weekend?

I'm sure Apple would love to get that top spot.

[ubestbsteppin]

Tri-band would be great. Anything other then 3g is just icing on the cake. The original was almost perfect!

[AriX]

Hmm. Corresponds with this: http://www.tuaw.com/2008/02/07/will-the-iphone-sdk-offer-a-built-in-simulator/ :)

[mixel]

Same processor?
Same processor but more powerful perhaps?
I doubt it.. Why on earth would the iphone need to be more powerful? That would just eat the batteries. It already runs rings around the PSP and pretty much every handheld device on the market. The CPU is already great. :)

Also nice to know the people who're making games already are working on the same basic spec as the 2nd generation.

[aswitcher]

Looking forward to this :) Looking good for everything I want.

[jphartstein]

I was really looking forward to this!!!!

[Telp]

Same processor?

Same processor but more powerful perhaps?

Same processor, but they won't cap the speeds at less than half its actual power?

[EagerDragon]

Does any of this mean that the iPhone will be supported on the Verizon network?

Nope

[jackjason]

NO CAMERAS UPDATE?

what?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Does any of this mean that the iPhone will be supported on the Verizon network?

The hardware has very little to do with why the iPhone isn't on the verizon network.

[geerlingguy]

If the iPhone has GPS, and if someone writes a good GPS app for it (allowing it to be used on the dashboard of my car), I will buy that app, and the iPhone, in a heartbeat. I hope this rumor's true!

I currently have an iPod touch and a phone, but want a GPS... if I could have 3 in one, I'd be in heaven (figuratively).

[Mr Maui]

This is just terrible, terrible, terrible news. After all these rumors. We might just get some of the rumored things. :eek::rolleyes: LOL

[Mad Mac Maniac]

NO CAMERAS UPDATE?

what?

I'm still keeping hope alive!!! honestly after 3G a superior camera is next on my wishlist. gps is a handy feature, but i won't use it frequently.

the only other request i have is for video capture abilities.

I honestly couldn't care less about video conferencing. (although I am 90% sure it will have it. kool factor, but nothing more)

[Mr Maui]

If the iPhone has GPS, and if someone writes a good GPS app for it (allowing it to be used on the dashboard of my car), I will buy that app, and the iPhone, in a heartbeat. I hope this rumor's true!

I currently have an iPod touch and a phone, but want a GPS... if I could have 3 in one, I'd be in heaven (figuratively).

If you pay to much attention to your dash-mounted GPS iPhone, you might just get to heaven "literally" too. :D

[Mad Mac Maniac]

I currently have an iPod touch and a phone, but want a GPS... if I could have 3 in one, I'd be in heaven (figuratively).

if you do get one you better watch your back of you might be in heaven (literally)

I want one...

[jackjason]

I'm still keeping hope alive!!! honestly after 3G a superior camera is next on my wishlist. gps is a handy feature, but i won't use it frequently.

the only other request i have is for video capture abilities.

I honestly couldn't care less about video conferencing. (although I am 90% sure it will have it. kool factor, but nothing more)

yeah, I agree..

I understand apple can make us to buy again with a front cam next time in 2009 or 2010.
but I will only buy this one with a video capbility cam on the back..

3g,4g, whatever..

as long as I have wifi..

and gsm..

[D4F]

well... we'll find out in 2 days...

[Mr Maui]

if you do get one you better watch your back of you might be in heaven (literally)

I want one...

Almost a direct quote of my post one spot earlier. LOL. GMTA

[Doodledoo]

A few months ago, around the time we started hearing 3G iPhone rumors pick up steam, somebody posted something about the iPhone's software containing three hardware codes: the one for the current iPhone (M62, I think), one marked simulator (which came with the SDK) and one unknown model titled N82. I guess we know exactly what that one was now, don't we?

[Mykbibby]

Almost a direct quote of my post one spot earlier. LOL. GMTA

Holy crap... thats weird...

Also, does this mean there's no videochat or is that unrelated?

[Sirobin]

Wow, that's really awesome if it's true. Only like two and a half days now:D

[MacGohil]

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[oodanner]

I just hope they don't cripple the aGPS and allow it to work in standalone mode.

[Chaszmyr]

Does it support EDGE?

[ventro]

The iPhone needs a faster processor. The current one gets too choppy sometimes, especially in Safari.

[Syrus28]

Looks like a world-wide launch! What's the record in sales of any device/movie/game over a week or weekend?

I'm sure Apple would love to get that top spot.
Yes, Im sure they would but, I wouldn't count on it...

GTAIV - 3.6 million in 1 day... A tuesday at that... and it wasn't $400... and no $60 monthly contract.

How many did the 1st iPhone sell in the first day?

[Lepton]

The ARM processor may be the same, but they upped the other processor, the GOLD3 that does a lot of the work. It is extremely powerful. And, the chips they seem to be using are very, very low power, so battery should be good even with the following:

In this phone's hardware I expect 3G at 7.5Mb/s down, GPS with a fix in as little as a second and updating as much as twice per second, video recording, second small camera, stereo Bluetooth, the chips can handle up to 5 megapixel camera so that depends on the camera hardware they picked, up to 32GB main memory... And that's hardware. I think they went for some really, really top notch hardware for this worldwide model. We will get software to match as well, over the next year. 2.0 will start us off with iChat, wireless sync, push mail, enterprise features, and significant new apps. When they say it is OSX in there, they ain't kidding, as those who have played with the SDK can attest. They made a software platform worthy of MUCH MORE than just a phone. We will see other products using this OS.

I expect a tablet at some point. The key is, the Apple tablet won't be a scaled down Mac. It will be a scaled up iPhone/Touch. Cocoa Touch can handle it easily. Very thin like the phone, great screen that uses touch and Wacam-like stylus both. Touch, Ink. No keyboard! You want a keyboard or mouse, use Bluetooth. I expect we will see it by January. Screens shall go OLED by then - brighter, thinner, lower power all at once.

I also expect a line of displays. Touchable displays. Why do you think new displays have been delayed for so long? Mac OS 10.6 will handle touch. The display will be thin and able to go flat or at a 20 degree angle. Use a finger or Wacom-like stylus. Perhaps small ones with built in WiFi, battery and enough brains so the unit will be able to do Apple Remote Desktop and literally be a remote desktop screen to any Mac on the internet. I expect the phones themselves will get this ability as well, probably in this iteration. I.e., the lines between external display, tablet, and pocket devices will blur. Nicely.

There I said it!

[extraextra]

Does any of this mean that the iPhone will be supported on the Verizon network?

AT&T and Apple have a 5 year contract. Check back in 2012.

[mixel]

The iPhone needs a faster processor. The current one gets too choppy sometimes, especially in Safari.
Maybe it just needs better programmed safari. :D Perhaps that Squirrelfish thing for javascript and a load more optimisations. I'd rather see them go that route than the traditional method with desktops of throwing more and more power in to make up for the bloat..

Flash player used to clog things up on my /dual G5/ lol. People just need to get back to programming properly. :/ (not that i'm saying that's easy or realistic)

[jackjason]

The ARM processor may be the same, but they upped the other processor, the GOLD3 that does a lot of the work. It is extremely powerful. And, the chips they seem to be using are very, very low power, so battery should be good even with the following:

In this phone's hardware I expect 3G at 7.5Mb/s down, GPS with a fix in as little as a second and updating as much as twice per second, video recording, second small camera, stereo Bluetooth, the chips can handle up to 5 megapixel camera so that depends on the camera hardware they picked, up to 32GB main memory... And that's hardware. I think they went for some really, really top notch hardware for this worldwide model. We will get software to match as well, over the next year. 2.0 will start us off with iChat, wireless sync, push mail, enterprise features, and significant new apps. When they say it is OSX in there, they ain't kidding, as those who have played with the SDK can attest. They made a software platform worthy of MUCH MORE than just a phone. We will see other products using this OS.

I expect a tablet at some point. The key is, the Apple tablet won't be a scaled down Mac. It will be a scaled up iPhone/Touch. Cocoa Touch can handle it easily. Very thin like the phone, great screen that uses touch and Wacam-like stylus both. Touch, Ink. No keyboard! You want a keyboard or mouse, use Bluetooth. I expect we will see it by January. Screens shall go OLED by then - brighter, thinner, lower power all at once.

I also expect a line of displays. Touchable displays. Why do you think new displays have been delayed for so long? Mac OS 10.6 will handle touch. The display will be thin and able to go flat or at a 20 degree angle. Use a finger or Wacom-like stylus. Perhaps small ones with built in WiFi, battery and enough brains so the unit will be able to do Apple Remote Desktop and literally be a remote desktop screen to any Mac on the internet. I expect the phones themselves will get this ability as well, probably in this iteration. I.e., the lines between external display, tablet, and pocket devices will blur. Nicely.

There I said it!






well done!
I guess steve himself would just a little bit better than your goal..

[Syrus28]

AT&T and Apple have a 5 year contract. Check back in 2012.

I think he meant if it would work on their network, i.e. unlocking the phone. After all, Softbank (in Japan) isn't GSM.

[EagerDragon]

NO CAMERAS UPDATE?

what?

This means nothing, if you go by this there is no camera in the front or back. So this is not complete, we will see, dont loose hope yet.

[dagamer34]

Same processor, but they won't cap the speeds at less than half its actual power?

The iPhone processor is underclocked at the moment.

[mrl14]

I can confirm that Apple will be hosting Wyclef Jean at their SOHO store on Monday for a FREE performance to mark the launch of the 3G iPhone.

Show starts at 7pm and he will be signing free autographs.

Source: andPOP.com

[EagerDragon]

Does any of this mean that the iPhone will be supported on the Verizon network?

Verizon is not GSM so not possible even if apple did not have exclusive contract with AT&T. Unlocking can get you T mobile but that is it.

[tgildred]

This means nothing, if you go by this there is no camera in the front or back. So this is not complete, we will see, dont loose hope yet.

Yes, let's all keep our hope neatly tethered.

[LiveForever]

Sounds awesome.

I can live without a better camera but GPS is essential.

Everyone is expecting it now as so many rumours have said it will be in so major let down if not in.

I think apple will also do something special with GPS too and make it a new must have and useful feature. GPS will be one if the big thrusts for this device.

[powderblue17]

The iPhone needs a faster processor. The current one gets too choppy sometimes, especially in Safari.

The current processor is underclocked so adding a faster processor wouldn't be able to help unless it ran cooler then what they already have.

[CKtoph]

Finally something that looks like a credible and realistic report!

I'm satisfied with this until Monday afternoon :p

[DOUGHNUT]

3G iPhone = worst kept secret in Apple's history.

[Mykbibby]

3G iPhone = worst kept secret in Apple's history.

Or best kept...

What if what they have planned will blow us away? Remember iPhone 1? We all knew it was coming, but we didn't expect it to be anything like the way it turned out. At best we thought it would be touchscreen with a slide out keyboard. And we all know how well that turned out.

All I'm saying is maybe what they're hiding is so good they're creating hype for a product not even close to as good as what they will announce.

[jackjason]

3G iPhone = worst kept secret in Apple's history.

it's never been a secret.
the man said it in MWSF07
himself!

[MBHockey]

Same processor?

Same processor but more powerful perhaps?

Exactly what i said. boo!

[TahoeGuy]

For the non-EE's, I didn't see anything in the hardware specs that indicated that the phone supported GPS (no Garmin or Trimble reference). Which of the devices is a GPS chipset? Or is the GPS derived from cell tower position? Please forgive my ignorance.:confused:

[Himpressive]

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the infineon SGold 3 chip has an integrated GPS chip on board. ;-)

[amac4me]

Looking forward to Monday's keynote :D

[Nicky G]

So no HSUPA on this chip, despite the fact that AT&T has been actively rolling it out across the USA? Or am I missing something here? HSDPA is all well and good, but the upload speeds are pretty weak compared to HSUPA...

[kelly g]

great news. ;)

is everyone expecting immediate availability, or a few weeks before they are in stock? my phone is on its last leg, and i'd love to buy one on monday.

[extraextra]

great news. ;)

is everyone expecting immediate availability, or a few weeks before they are in stock? my phone is on its last leg, and i'd love to buy one on monday.

I'm hoping for a Monday release as well. Ready to toss my current p.o.s. into the garbage.

[twoodcc]

well i sure hope it has GPS

[abijnk]

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the infineon SGold 3 chip has an integrated GPS chip on board. ;-)

I have been reading the product brief for this chip and can find nothing to back up this claim. While is can be interfaced with A-GPS, I don't think it actually has a GPS chip on board.

EDIT: NVM that last part, I was reading about the wrong chip :D

[iceman1234]

It seems to good to be be true:cool:

[Akira1980]

So does that mean the new 3G iPhone will work in Asia also? It would be awesome if I can use it in Japan.

[tizza]

I'm just hoping they've got the power draw way down for the 3G version. Especially with the new push-mail they've built it, I'll be keen to see how long battery life is.

[joeblough]

i have heard the brcm rumor about the GPS support from another source inside the industry. at this point i'm 100% convinced the new iphone will have true GPS.

[GregA]

No videoconferencing?!?!?

What makes you say that?
Or am I missing something?

Every 3G phone available here seems to have video conferencing (NEVER used).

Oh, and mobile TV stations (sometimes used).

[winterspan]

Here is some info about UMTS/HSPA bands:

UMTS/HSPA Bands (W-CDMA)


Band I (2100 mhz) in Europe, Africa, Asia, Oceania (ITU Region 1) and Brazil (part of ITU Region 2)
Band II (1900 mhz) in North America and South America (ITU Region 2)
Band IV (1700 mhz) in the United States (T-Mobile USA)
Band V (850 mhz) in America, Canada, Australia, parts of South America, parts of Asia (ITU Region 2 and ITU Region 3)
Band VI (800mhz) Some parts of rural Japan on NTT DoCoMo
Band VIII (900 mhz) in Europe, Asia, Oceania (ITU Region 1 and ITU Region 3)
Band XII - XIV future use in the 700MHz spectrum


So, it appears 900mhz isn't supported? Do you guys think that there is a second iPhone? Or that none of the stated providers are on 900mhz networks? Also, people who thought they were going to buy an iPhone and use it on Tmobile's new 3G network are in for a sad surprise with 1700mhz band on the iPhone 3G. :eek: I don't think 800Mhz is used much anymore in Japan, so no big deal.

Does any of this mean that the iPhone will be supported on the Verizon network?

No, Verizon and Sprint use CDMA2000 networks (which is popular in N/S America, and some carriers in Japan/Korea) whereas AT&T (and most of Europe/Middle East/Africa) uses GSM/UMTS networks. It's an entirely different technology unfortunately. The good news is that AT&T and Verizon are now on the same upgrade path for LTE/4G for the future...


So no HSUPA on this chip, despite the fact that AT&T has been actively rolling it out across the USA? Or am I missing something here? HSDPA is all well and good, but the upload speeds are pretty weak compared to HSUPA...

Yep, that sucks the big one. Not only does HSUPA increase upload speeds from 150-200kbps to 500-900kbps, but it vastly reduces latency on the uplink. That's probably the biggest advantage. HSUPA chipsets are just now being rolled out in cellphones. Probably didn't make the cut in the design phase. Of course, I always expect Apple to lag on technical features, but usually that is on their computers. Oh well, 384 UMTS will have to tied everyone over until iPhone v3. I wonder if this will have an effect on Apple's decision about including video conferencing or not. I doubt it will be able to use Wifi, unless we are talking about a chat app that doesn't use the cellphone voice network. Although the likely 150-300kbps upload may be ok for low res video conferencing.

T
In this phone's hardware I expect 3G at 7.5Mb/s down, GPS with a fix in as little as a second...


Woah, hold it right there. Even if AT&T's HSDPA is rated to 7.2mbps, you'll be lucky to peak at 1.0-1.5mbps, *especially* on a phone versus a broadband laptop card. And initial GPS fix in a second? What utopian world do you live in?

Maybe it just needs better programmed safari. :D Perhaps that Squirrelfish thing for javascript and a load more optimisations. I'd rather see them go that route than the traditional method with desktops of throwing more and more power in to make up for the bloat.. Flash player used to clog things up on my /dual G5/ lol. People just need to get back to programming properly. :/ (not that i'm saying that's easy or realistic)

Yes, I hope to see the new Webkit get integrated into an iPhone Safari update. Should speed it up! Not to mention someone needs to find out how to turn up the CPU clock on the iPhone. It's a factory 620mhz chip, but it's underclocked to 400mhz I believe.


So does that mean the new 3G iPhone will work in Asia also? It would be awesome if I can use it in Japan.
Yes, I believe Softbank already announced they are getting the new iPhone. I'm pretty sure they are on Band I (2100mhz).



What makes you say that? Or am I missing something? Every 3G phone available here seems to have video conferencing (NEVER used).


The whole "front camera on every 3G phone" thing is prevalent throughout most of the world, with the glaring exception of the US. See, the vast majority of people in the US buy their phones from carriers, and all the carriers have the manufacturers make phones for the their market without the forward camera. Why? I have no idea. It's seems like it would be a great way to nickel and dime their customers to death.

[wizard]

Same processor?

Same processor but more powerful perhaps?

ARM is in the business of selling cores to a number of manufactures. They take these cores add a bit of peripheral tech and them sell them to companies like Apple. So just because there is indication of a specific core one can not take from that that the processor is in fact the same. Frankly I'd expect Apple to have a much higher integration device in the next cell phone revision, both to save power and to save space.

In any event the processor could be the same one SAMSUNG now sells to Apple or any of hundreds of other designs that use the same core. It is one of ARMs greatest advantages, that is the huge number of implementations available to companies to implement in products.

In the case fo the current iPhone that processor is running slower than it can to save power. They could easily give the new iPhone a speed boost just by upping clock frequency.


Thanks
Dave

[niji]

to be a world fon, in addition to triband 3G, it needs to support quad band GMS 850/900/1800/1900.
i cant understand the specs that were provided. does it support these quad GSM bands?
or has it given up on the need for 850 used in rural america?
here in asia we only need 900/1800 GSM plus 3G for it to work everywhere including Korea and Japan.

[ingenious]

Yes, let's all keep our hope neatly tethered.

ha! i love grammar jokes...

[wizard]

Exactly what i said. boo!

Not to beat a dead horse here but I will repeat as it seems to be an issue, that particular core from ARM can be implemented in any number of ways by a large number of manufactures. The actual chip could be a higher integration device, could be faster and it could be lower power.

At this point it could be anything and is not worth speculating about since WWDC is only a couple of days away. I'm as interested as anybody to find out what the actual chipset is, but frankly I'm not to worried about power right now. IPhone is already pretty impressive as is, I will take faster of course but won't worry to much about it.

Dave

[ruinfx]

to be a world fon, in addition to triband 3G, it needs to support quad band GMS 850/900/1800/1900.
i cant understand the specs that were provided. does it support these quad GSM bands?
or has it given up on the need for 850 used in rural america?
here in asia we only need 900/1800 GSM plus 3G for it to work everywhere including Korea and Japan.

its GSM 850/900/1800/1900 HSDPA 850/1900/2100

[GFLPraxis]

Same processor?

Same processor but more powerful perhaps?

The iPhone doesn't need to be more powerful. I don't see much of a point.

Let's say the new iPhone comes out and it's 40% faster. Developers will still have to target applications to run on the old iPhone too, so nothing will max out that extra 40% without dropping support for the old iPhone, and the dev would lose too much money cutting out half of their market base.

No, let's save the battery power and just put a lower powered CPU at the same speed, or put the same CPU.

[chickenninja]

how nice of engadget to give us such things.

[stagi]

can't wait for GPS that would be great.

[Dagless]

I'd like a higher res camera so the pics could look okay sat next to my 350D pics in iPhoto, but 3G and GPS (functional things) are more important to me.

HSDPA? That could be fantastic. Yea so I don't get any HSDPA signal around here, infact the nearest is Leeds. It'll be nice to have still should I ever venture out :D

Never been this excited for a phone before.

[GregA]

Here is some info about UMTS/HSPA bands:

UMTS/HSPA Bands (W-CDMA)


Band I (2100 mhz) in Europe, Africa, Asia, Oceania (ITU Region 1) and Brazil (part of ITU Region 2)
Band II (1900 mhz) in North America and South America (ITU Region 2)
Band IV (1700 mhz) in the United States (T-Mobile USA)
Band V (850 mhz) in America, Canada, Australia, parts of South America, parts of Asia (ITU Region 2 and ITU Region 3)
Band VI (800mhz) Some parts of rural Japan on NTT DoCoMo
Band VIII (900 mhz) in Europe, Asia, Oceania (ITU Region 1 and ITU Region 3)
Band XII - XIV future use in the 700MHz spectrum


So, it appears 900mhz isn't supported? Do you guys think that there is a second iPhone?
I'd like 900mhz for Australia, but we'll get by without it. I doubt there is a 2nd phone.

Europe requires 2100Mhz. AT&T requires 850Mhz... if South America requires 1900Mhz then that's our 3 - yes I think they'll get by worldwide with those 3 bands.


The whole "front camera on every 3G phone" thing is prevalent throughout most of the world, with the glaring exception of the US. See, the vast majority of people in the US buy their phones from carriers, and all the carriers have the manufacturers make phones for the their market without the forward camera. Why? I have no idea. It's seems like it would be a great way to nickel and dime their customers to death.

Yeah, but are you saying the specs in this rumour say there's no front camera? I can't see that anywhere.

[ddrueckhammer]

Sounds good to me. I might just use it on T-Mobile as a Wifi device until my contract runs out. (Assuming it is jailbroken in a week like all the other software revisions...)

Like others have said, I would like a better camera and video besides the upgrade to G3 and a GPS module. 5MP for the camera and 640x480 (DVD quality) video would be nice to compete with the Sony Xperia X1, HTC Touch Diamond, Nokia N96 etc. but I would settle for 3.2 MP on the camera.

Then again, the iPhone already has the best multimedia playback interface of any phone so maybe I can live with a slightly weak camera/camcorder functionality. I already have a dedicated camcorder that takes 720p to flash cards...

One other thing is that I would like the keyboard to be able to be changed to landscape by flipping the orientation. This should make texting/emailing much easier IMO.

[boer]

Hmm.. has anyone yet thought this information might be false? "Oh noes, it is too accurate!?"

Here's how you produce a fake list of features like this one:

1. Investigate what chips the current model has. Pick some of those.
2. Google up some plausibe new chips based on assumption of 3G.
3. Add some previous rumors to the mix for added credibility: ability to switch off 3G, model number n82.
4. Add on obscure reference to GPS.

Voilá! We have a created winning rumor that on surface appears insider information but is based on publicly available information.

[bilbo--baggins]

Apple needs to include iChat, plus make a Windows version of iChat (so we can use it with more people).

[bozs13]

Apple needs to include iChat, plus make a Windows version of iChat (so we can use it with more people).

That's the truth. It'd be nice to spread the iChat love.

I end up using Adium all the time, even though it doesn't have all the nifty features. I have lots of friends on gTalk and MSN as well, not only AIM and apple's protocol.

[Bonte]

I doubt it.. Why on earth would the iphone need to be more powerful? That would just eat the batteries. It already runs rings around the PSP and pretty much every handheld device on the market. The CPU is already great. :)

Also nice to know the people who're making games already are working on the same basic spec as the 2nd generation.

So true, we don't need the extra confusion of apps needing some specific iPhone model. All the apps will have to work on all models and hanging on to the original hardware is the best and cheapest way to do this.

[TonyHoyle]

I have been reading the product brief for this chip and can find nothing to back up this claim. While is can be interfaced with A-GPS, I don't think it actually has a GPS chip on board.

EDIT: NVM that last part, I was reading about the wrong chip :D

No looking at the block diagram the GPS is supported by an external chip. It's possible that apple have added it but it's possible they haven't, so we don't know anything either way.

[kornyboy]

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Same processor?

Same processor but more powerful perhaps?

It does seem odd that they would put the same processor in the new iPhone. Though I am completely happy with the performance of the processor in the current model, I think that they would want to increase the power with the App store and third party Apps coming out. This would provide more flexibility for developers. I guess we are at the point that we will just have to wait and see on Monday.

[h2mac]

How come everyone talks about this for the most part useless stuff.... don't get me wrong.... I like toys also.

My wish and think it would make sense to put in the new phone is 802.11n! Most want to use WiFi and Apple like to put it in every product, but when you have a b/g device on the network with n everything slows down. If Apple is pushing the 802.11 thing then it would make sense if not even in the first iPhone to put this in there.

Just my two cents! :)

[Telp]

How come everyone talks about this for the most part useless stuff.... don't get me wrong.... I like toys also.

My wish and think it would make sense to put in the new phone is 802.11n! Most want to use WiFi and Apple like to put it in every product, but when you have a b/g device on the network with n everything slows down. If Apple is pushing the 802.11 thing then it would make sense if not even in the first iPhone to put this in there.

Just my two cents! :)

I am actually surprised i haven't heard about this from people before. I also think it would be cool if the iPhone supported more touches. I think it suports 3 now, but if they made it 4 or 5, then you could start to see a lot of those patents that were on macrumors awhile ago put to use.

[wizard]

So true, we don't need the extra confusion of apps needing some specific iPhone model. All the apps will have to work on all models and hanging on to the original hardware is the best and cheapest way to do this.

If you are confused by Apple having different models please don't force the idea of never seeing an iPhone update onto the rest of us. I fully expect Apple to have different models available in the future, WITH DIFFERENT FEATURES, some of those phones will likely have faster processors and yes even more RAM.

Your post is really the expression of LUDDITE thinking.

Dave

[wizard]

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It does seem odd that they would put the same processor in the new iPhone.

The only info we have reference to right now is the designation for the ARM core not the chip it is implemented on. That is a very powerful and widely implemented core.

Even at that the core is running well under its maximum clock rate in the SoC that Apple is using right now. So more performance could be had on the current iPhone simply by turning up the clock rate..

Though I am completely happy with the performance of the processor in the current model, I think that they would want to increase the power with the App store and third party Apps coming out. This would provide more flexibility for developers. I guess we are at the point that we will just have to wait and see on Monday.

Yeah wait and see at this point is really the best thing to do. I also agree with respect to better performance to really make new apps shine or for that matter give Safari a boost.

To that end there are a couple of things that Apple could do on future models. One would be to add more RAM as right now the lack of RAM is an issue. The other would be to go to a newer generation SoC. This chip would be of higher integration and running on a newer process. Effectively it should lower power demand and increase performance.

Dave

[Kar98]

Tri-band would be great. Anything other then 3g is just icing on the cake. The original was almost perfect!

Would have to be quad-band at least to be useful. GSM 850/1900 for North America, 900/1800 for Europe. And you know how Apple always makes one hardware version for all markets (which is why there's no Mac with a built-in TV tuner, for instance).

[BossHoggin]

I Can't Wait For Monday!!!!

[iEdd]

How come everyone talks about this for the most part useless stuff...

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802.11n!

54mbps isn't fast enough for an iPhone? :o :D

[adamerr]

54mps???!!!!!
oh my.

that's faster then my dialup connection.
i sense a rather large bill coming up.

[maxterpiece]

That's the truth. It'd be nice to spread the iChat love.

I end up using Adium all the time, even though it doesn't have all the nifty features. I have lots of friends on gTalk and MSN as well, not only AIM and apple's protocol.

FYI, iChat can be set up for Google chat. I have it set right now. See here: http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24076

[poppe]

The iPhone doesn't need to be more powerful. I don't see much of a point.

Let's say the new iPhone comes out and it's 40% faster. Developers will still have to target applications to run on the old iPhone too, so nothing will max out that extra 40% without dropping support for the old iPhone, and the dev would lose too much money cutting out half of their market base.

No, let's save the battery power and just put a lower powered CPU at the same speed, or put the same CPU.

I completely disagree. I think the iPhone needs to be more powerful. It is awesome how it is, but it still has trouble sometimes opening up programs. There are times when text messaging (even after I cleared all the text messages) will take a 3-5 seconds to open up; may not seem like much, but it is very annoying. This is even when I don't have my iPhone memory filled all up more than 3/4ths the way. This has also been constant with the 3 iPhones I have had.

[mdriftmeyer]

GSM Phones are no suprise:

http://www.murata.com/mwall/nproduct/index.html#gsm

[iEdd]

That's the truth. It'd be nice to spread the iChat love.

I end up using Adium all the time, even though it doesn't have all the nifty features. I have lots of friends on gTalk and MSN as well, not only AIM and apple's protocol.

For all the nifty msn features, use Mercury Messenger. For AIM and Google Talk, use iChat. I think you can use msn through jabber in iChat too. :)

[3247]

Would have to be quad-band at least to be useful. GSM 850/1900 for North America, 900/1800 for Europe.Quad-band GSM is no unusual feature for UMTS phones. Actually, not having quad-band GSM (or not having EDGE, BTW) would be unusual.
And you know how Apple always makes one hardware version for all markets (which is why there's no Mac with a built-in TV tuner, for instance).... and why there won't be a CDMA iPhone. :p

(IMHO, the main hurdle for TV, however, is not the different TV standards but the different ways of transmission: terrestrial, cable and satellite).

[DiamondMac]

People do bring up a good question in how fast/slow will the iPhone become if people start adding all those apps

My iPhone has really done a fantastic job continuing to stay fast even though almost all 8-gigs is full so I suspect and hope that the new ones will stay as fast with all the new apps that should be found on it after a few months

I will say that I got my iPhone on launch day and it hasn't been until the last 2-3 weeks that I have seen it get a tad slower to button reactions.

Nothing too bad though

[geerlingguy]

If you pay to much attention to your dash-mounted GPS iPhone, you might just get to heaven "literally" too. :D

I'll try not to watch a movie on it at the same time ;)