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IJ Reilly
Dec 1, 2003, 10:47 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/columns/la-na-outlook1dec01,1,6080296.column

Ronald Brownstein: Washington Outlook
Snowballing Debt Awaits Tomorrow's Taxpayers

Seniors with big prescription drug bills, health maintenance organizations awaiting lucrative new subsidies, upper-middle-class families anticipating a fat tax refund, and Iraqi cities expecting new schools or hospitals all have reason to be thankful about President Bush's extraordinary success at pushing his agenda through the Republican-controlled Congress this year.

There may be less celebration among the young people who will inherit the tab for these initiatives. Bush is funding every penny of every one of these goodies by increasing the national debt. Which is another way of saying that he's sticking the bill to the next generation.

The scale of the transfer is dizzying.

In just the last few months, Congress, at Bush's request, has doled out $87 billion to rebuild and secure Iraq and Afghanistan; approved a $401-billion defense appropriation bill, the largest ever; completed a $1-trillion tax cut on top of the $1.35-trillion reduction the president won in 2001; and approved a Medicare prescription drug benefit that will cost at least $400 billion over the next decade, probably more. If the energy bill is revived next year, add to the list at least another $26 billion in tax cuts for energy companies.

All of this, it's worth remembering, comes when the federal government already faces its largest deficit ever — some $374 billion last year, $84 billion more than the previous record held by Bush's father, George H.W. Bush.

Several reliable analysts project the federal deficit will soar past $500 billion this year — and then remain near that unprecedented level for the indefinite future, even if the economy recovers. It's an understatement to conclude, as the Goldman Sachs investment bank did in a recent report, that the budget process in Washington is "out of control."

Project this forward a few years and the fiscal strain on future taxpayers could become excruciating. By 2012, Bush's tax cuts would reduce federal revenue by almost $400 billion a year, according to calculations by Peter Orszag of the Brookings Institution.

Even without the new prescription drug benefit, the swelling number of seniors and the rising cost of care would push the annual bill for Medicare past $500 billion by then, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The drug subsidy for seniors would add at least another $65 billion to the tab. The CBO says that by 2012, defense spending would approach $600 billion annually — a number other analysts say understates the price tag for Bush's long-term national security plans.

Then comes the final indignity for tomorrow's taxpayers: huge interest payments on the debt the government is accumulating to finance this binge. When Bush took office, the CBO estimated Washington was on track to eliminate the publicly held federal debt by 2008. That meant federal interest payments on the debt, which were running about $200 billion a year when Bush arrived, were expected to dwindle to virtually nothing by the end of this decade.

Now, though, the latest estimates are that amid the economic slowdown of the last two years, and all the new spending and tax cuts Bush has pursued, the federal debt could soar to at least $7 trillion by decade's end. That means future taxpayers will have to pay at least $350 billion a year to service that debt, precisely as they are shouldering big bills for homeland security, defense and retiring the baby boom.

To call this behavior a breakdown of fiscal responsibility misses its true nature. This is a stunning abandonment of generational responsibility. Washington is behaving like a father who steals his kid's credit card and goes on a bender.

Individually, America's parents make sacrifices every day to provide opportunities for their children; but collectively, the nation is now pursuing precisely the opposite course — indulging itself even at the price of reducing opportunity for its children.

Is anyone speaking for the next generation? At the national level, Democrats have condemned Bush's deficits and highlighted the costs of his tax cut. But they've undercut their credibility by repeatedly demanding more spending on their favorite causes; it's telling that the principal criticism from Democrats about the new Medicare bill is that it doesn't spend enough to subsidize drugs for seniors.

Most Republicans are apparently hoping they can make these deficits disappear by ignoring or discounting them; the noble exceptions are a handful of true fiscal conservatives like Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Charles Hagel (R-Neb.). "There is a larger point to all of this," Hagel lamented after the Senate approved the Medicare bill last week. "Who is looking out for the future of the country?"

It's unrealistic to expect too many legislators to take that long view. Budget discipline is as much an unnatural act for Congress as refusing campaign contributions; for legislators, the long run is always the next election. Only a determined president can prevent Washington from spending more than it is willing to collect in taxes. But Bush has led the U-turn from the policies that produced surpluses for the three years immediately before he arrived.

The best case against Bush's budget policies comes from the arguments he's made for his national security strategy. Bush often defends his vision of preemptive defense by insisting America must confront tough problems now so future generations won't face them down the road. Yet in his budget, Bush is creating enormous problems for future generations by avoiding tough choices today.

By slashing taxes while he increases spending, Bush is governing as if he is in the Matrix, where the laws of gravity don't apply. But here in the real world, what goes up still comes down, which means kids too young to protest today will pay dearly tomorrow for the massive debts Bush is charging to their future.



zimv20
Dec 1, 2003, 11:24 AM
neat!

guess this didn't belong in the 'more good economic news' thread, eh?

this is reminding me of the way in which reagan often gets credit for breaking the soviet's back. how long until we suffer a similar fate?

in other news, my financial planner keeps telling me to pay off my credit card balance.

mactastic
Dec 1, 2003, 11:49 AM
I think there are going to be more than a few republicans that have to swallow real hard when they see this kind of spending coming from a president of their party. Explaining that to a cut-government-spending crowd could be tough.

Dont Hurt Me
Dec 1, 2003, 12:01 PM
i have to agree with mactastic, bush is spending money like a liberal democrat! no doubt about it? how much was this war? it still sickens me how they have to call out the entire navy,marines,army airforce for bin laden and saddam. 2 killers and their buddies cost the American tax payer how much??? also the patriot act because of 20 thugs ? so the whole nation gives up its liberties and freedom for 20 fanatics? bush has been adding to the debt like tomorrow will never come.

mactastic
Dec 1, 2003, 12:08 PM
And the worst part is, many of his successes like the tax cuts, and medicare among others have spending that sunsets, but if re-enacted as expected, will double or triple the cost of many of these bills. But they push them through with the most optomistic of numbers, leaving the damage to occur on someone elses watch.

Remember during the '80's and '90's when the deficit was such a hot political potatoe? Where's all that gone too?

IJ Reilly
Dec 1, 2003, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by mactastic
And the worst part is, many of his successes like the tax cuts, and medicare among others have spending that sunsets, but if re-enacted as expected, will double or triple the cost of many of these bills. But they push them through with the most optomistic of numbers, leaving the damage to occur on someone elses watch.

Remember during the '80's and '90's when the deficit was such a hot political potatoe? Where's all that gone too?

It's gone the way of one party control. If history is any guide, give one party control of the purse strings, and that party will spend like drunken sailors.

zimv20
Dec 1, 2003, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by IJ Reilly
give one party control of the purse strings, and that party will spend like drunken sailors.

... on the companies that make gear for, transport, house and feed those sailors.

Ugg
Dec 1, 2003, 01:11 PM
gw is destined to become the most hated president ever. There is absolutely no way that the new reduced tax rates will cover the costs of his new spending plans. The economy would have to grow at phenomenal rates for that to happen and since most new jobs being created today are in the walmart category that is not going to happen.

why don't people wake up and smell manure that is coming out of this WH? Ballooning trade deficits, massively reduced foreign investment in the US, a shrinking dollar, the boomers are going to retire soon, unfunded federal mandates..... Where does it end and is the only thing that registers in people's minds tax cuts? I totally fail to understand why anyone can support such a profligate presidency.

zimv20
Dec 1, 2003, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by Ugg
Where does it end and is the only thing that registers in people's minds tax cuts?

people are greedy.

and being anti-abortion, anti-gay and pro-busting-down-medical-marijuana-providers-doors appeals, unfortunately, to groups who are motivated come election time.

Rebel
Dec 5, 2003, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by zimv20
people are greedy.

and being anti-abortion, anti-gay and pro-busting-down-medical-marijuana-providers-doors appeals, unfortunately, to groups who are motivated come election time.

The reason why minority causes get so much government attention is becasue they vote. Fact #1 on average only 30% of American Citizens exercises their right to vote on a consistent basis. Our government relies on this figure because outcomes are more easily predicted than if the entire nation decided to exercise their voting rights. Let's face it, government officials need votes in order to stay in office. If the majority of the known voters are minorities, whom do you think they will cater new laws and programs for?

Of the 70% of Americans who do not exercise their right to vote, the following are listed as the most common reasons.

Will not be in the County during voting period.
Do not want to be hassled at the voting booths.
Do not want to wait in lines especially in cold weather.
Complicated machinery.
Not registered to vote.
Feel that the candidates are not worth their time.
Disgusted with their voting options.

The majority of this 70% are your hard working caucasion middle class. If 50% of this group excercised their right to vote in any election, it would throw the process into caos for our politicians.

Frohickey
Dec 5, 2003, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by zimv20
in other news, my financial planner keeps telling me to pay off my credit card balance.

Carrying credit card balances month-after-month is a bad thing. Why do you think credit card companies like to send you applications? At 20% annual interest rate (or the smaller 16.9%, or 8.9%, etc), it adds up to real money.

I should talk. I just recently paid off the last of my credit cards, and I'm not going to carry balances anymore. Best is using a Discover card, not carry a balance, and get that 1% cash back.

Wonder if I could funnel $1 billion through that. :D

visor
Dec 5, 2003, 06:32 PM
If bush spends to much money, the dollar will drop against the euro, such as now the record low $ against euro.

this is great, as mac's are becoming much cheaper here in europe ....

IJ Reilly
Dec 5, 2003, 06:48 PM
I once heard a financial planner who asks his clients if they want to know about an investment that pays an 18% annual return, guaranteed. Of course they always do. His answer: pay off your credit cards.

Frohickey
Dec 5, 2003, 08:47 PM
But what if your credit cards are all paid off already, and you still want 18%?

zimv20
Dec 5, 2003, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Frohickey
But what if your credit cards are all paid off already, and you still want 18%?

duh -- start issuing credit cards! :-)

Durandal7
Dec 5, 2003, 11:15 PM
The government is getting far too out of control for my tastes. Government spending more then quadrupled during the 1990's, I loathe to see how much it has increased by 2010. America needs a viable third party dedicated to cutting the pork, Bush and Clinton have proven that either major party will spend like there is no tomorrow once they get their foot in the door.

zimv20
Dec 6, 2003, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by Durandal7
Government spending more then quadrupled during the 1990's

how do you figure that?

IJ Reilly
Dec 6, 2003, 12:31 AM
Federal government spending per household increased during the Reagan and Bush I administrations, declined during the Clinton years, and jumped again with Bush II.

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/budgetchartbook/charts_S/s05big.html

Rebel
Dec 8, 2003, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by Durandal7
The government is getting far too out of control for my tastes. Government spending more then quadrupled during the 1990's, I loathe to see how much it has increased by 2010. America needs a viable third party dedicated to cutting the pork, Bush and Clinton have proven that either major party will spend like there is no tomorrow once they get their foot in the door.

A third political party isn't going to do diddly-squat to change the corruptive nature of our political employees.

Only the American population, combined under one effective organization, can force the changes that are necessary. One man cannot change our political process, one organization can.

You all need to quit bitching about all our political problems, and start doing something about it.

I have been told within these forums that the UCAnation organization goes too far, and is too extreme, that it will bankrupt our federal system.

I say hog-wash. It is a starting point for us Americans to force change. I for one will not sit on my ass and whine about the problems. And I am glad that I found an organization out there that is not corrput like our government and every other non-profit organization. I am tired of seeing my money help other people become well-off in life. I want more of it in my own pocket.

Frohickey
Dec 8, 2003, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Durandal7
The government is getting far too out of control for my tastes. Government spending more then quadrupled during the 1990's, I loathe to see how much it has increased by 2010. America needs a viable third party dedicated to cutting the pork, Bush and Clinton have proven that either major party will spend like there is no tomorrow once they get their foot in the door.

There are already some political parties that espouse smaller government and less spending.

Libertarian Party (http://www.lp.org/issues/).

Rebel
Dec 9, 2003, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Frohickey
There are already some political parties that espouse smaller government and less spending.

Libertarian Party (http://www.lp.org/issues/).

The Libertarians are wolves in sheeps clothing. Don't fool yourself. If you want change, quit relying on others. Take the bull by the horns and ride the sucker until you tame it to your liking.

Frohickey
Dec 9, 2003, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Rebel
The Libertarians are wolves in sheeps clothing. Don't fool yourself. If you want change, quit relying on others. Take the bull by the horns and ride the sucker until you tame it to your liking.

You are going to need to defend your comment about Libertarians being 'wolves in sheep's clothing'.

That is why voters need to research the background and voting record of the candidates they vote for. If you don't know anything about the candidates, you should not vote for any of them, instead of the blanket voting of Republicans or Democrats.

Rebel
Dec 9, 2003, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Frohickey
You are going to need to defend your comment about Libertarians being 'wolves in sheep's clothing'.

That is why voters need to research the background and voting record of the candidates they vote for. If you don't know anything about the candidates, you should not vote for any of them, instead of the blanket voting of Republicans or Democrats.

I have met and had discussions with several Libertarians. I was not impressed, and came away from these encounters knowing that their agenda is no better than the trash currently occupying our government institutions. They have just figured out a different twist, or as marketers would say - "a niche" - all in an effort to satisfy their own greed and ambitions. Although I will not name names, I recieved the general feeling that they did not care about the average American.

As for the name Libertarian, who the hell thought of this name as a political party group? Any organization that can come up with a name that alienates people before they even know what it is about, has no clue what the average American needs, wants or likes.