RANT: Time to clear up a misconception.. You computer isn't a MAC, you have a Mac.

[yellow]

This is probably not worth your time to read.

Quite often I see people posting about their MAC but meaning to talk about their Mac. Your computer isn't a MAC! It's called a Mac, dang-diddly-ang-it! I nominate myself to fix this! Therefore I must explain what a MAC is (in reference to computers and computer-related equipment), as opposed to a Mac. If for no reason other then to make myself feel better..

MAC = An acronym for Media Access Control, the unique identifier of your network card, also known as an ethernet hardware address.

Mac = The shortened name for Macintosh. A computer built by a California fruit company that has a small, but virulent, following of groupies.

Please, don't offend your Mac(intosh) by referring to it as an ethernet hardware address.

[hugemullens]

When i was a freshman in college a girl got a new ibook and they asked for her MAC address on the form to get internet, she filled out her room number and residence hall. She didn't quite figure it out. But yes its Mac, NOT MAC.

[Kwyjibo]

yes of course your right, but who cares ...


every couple of months someone flips on this kinda dumb imo... next your going to make sure everyone uses proper capitalization when says iPod or iBook ....

[etoiles]

I love my poWerBoOk !
MAC makes good computers...

:D

[wdlove]

Here is the medical use of MAC it's a Mitral Angular Calcification. I also prefer to use Mac. Sounds like you have a slight casse of a pet peeve.

http://www.rad.msu.edu/Research/pages/Cardiac/CT/CalciumScoring/images/fig13.htm

[yellow]

Originally posted by yellow
This is probably not worth your time to read.
You were warned! Yet you still read it...

[yellow]

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
yes of course your right, but who cares ... every couple of months someone flips on this kinda dumb imo... next your going to make sure everyone uses proper capitalization when says iPod or iBook .... No, next I shall expound upon the proper usages of "your" and "you're". :)

However, kwyjibo is a perfectly cromulent scrabble word that enbiggens us all.

[pivo6]

Originally posted by yellow
No, next I shall expound upon the proper usages of "your" and "you're". :)

However, kwyjibo is a perfectly cromulent scrabble word that enbiggens us all.

I'd prefer that you stick with important ones like the difference between "good" and "well" ;)

[yellow]

Originally posted by pivo6
I'd prefer that you stick with important ones like the difference between "good" and "well" ;) That's a well idea!

[eyelikeart]

MAC is also a cosmetics company my last girlfriend used to buy from. ;)

[joker2]

MAC is also a chain of ATMs (the teller machines), that you use with your Money Access Card...

your / you're; there/their/they're, its/it's, and people thinking that they have to add an apostrophe before the 's' to make things plural! *grumble* ;)

[jap4n]

yes.. Mac/MAC

get it right. it annoys some people... not me though..

off the subject;
last night i got drunk and met some nice german tourists at the LOTR premiere.
:D

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
MAC is also a cosmetics company my last girlfriend used to buy from. ;)

You shouldn't end sentences with a preposition. :D

Details aren't a part of most people's lives, unfortunately.

[sonofslim]

and if someone doesn't know the difference before they start reading MR, chances are they'll catch on pretty soon. so, unfortunately, you're probably ranting to the choir.

[Kwyjibo]

Originally posted by yellow
No, next I shall expound upon the proper usages of "your" and "you're". :)

However, kwyjibo is a perfectly cromulent scrabble word that enbiggens us all.

:) some people don't care about there errors, some people make errors intentionally to annoy others, your taking it all too seriously, its not a huge problem ....

those are both intentional and bad habits brought on by laziness ...

I love my mAC

[medea]

who really cares that much, and get with the times, people online spell everything in as many different forms as possible now. Do I find it annoying, yes, do I start a thread to complain about it, no.
And for someone so interested in grammar, you should have said "your computer....." not "You computer....."

[yellow]

teehee!

[Sun Baked]

Originally posted by bousozoku
You shouldn't end sentences with a preposition. :D

Details aren't a part of most people's lives, unfortunately. Yes, it's always much better to end a sentence with a proposition.

Of course we can always compound that error by suggestion a bunch of different positions.

And for those that like things in great detail..

The more details you can include about the positions used in the proposition, the better.

[King Cobra]

Exactly.

A couple of days ago I checked IGN's FAQ list as to how to view their site. They suggested either a PC or a Mac (all caps) with a 1028 x 768 screen resolution.

I'm still looking on Dealtime to find the cheapest available monitor, but they're all sold out.

[rainman::|:|]

MAC numbers aren't just for ethernet. they're for any network interface, 802.11b included...

and yes, this is driving me nuts too. really nice guy at work, open to Macs, he and i have been working on getting our resident Mac in good shape... and he keeps calling it a MAC G-4. i can't figure out how to approach that without sounding like a dickhead.

pnw

[mvc]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
…i can't figure out how to approach that without sounding like a dickhead.

Un4tunately, that wood bee inpossible.

The reeson i think taht this issue is so contenchus on 4ums is beccos speeling and gramma r often used as cheapshot putdowns by those with no better counterarguments.

Now, on the ohter hand, inadeqaute use of paragraphs is a REAL issue for legibility ;)

[bousozoku]

Isn't it worse when the mistakes are coming from someone who is supposedly a fanatic?

I just saw an article today where the author called the computer a MacIntosh. Of course, McIntosh used to be a perfectly acceptable mistake as well.

Was that Apple computer line Performa or Preforma or Proforma as I often see?

How many times have you seen a data transfer rate specified as /mb? There is no such thing as a millibit, but people often use it. One of my recent instructors was comparing hardware protocols and FireWire came out to be much faster than Ultra2SCSI as it was 400 mb/sec. compared to 80 mb/sec.

[manitoubalck]

Eys but ti is imptorant to rleaise taht most poepel can rade work iven when splte incortcetly.

About the Ultra SCSI320 vs Firewire, who ever wrote that article should have been given a big slap.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
Eys but ti is imptorant to rleaise taht most poepel can rade work iven when splte incortcetly.

About the Ultra SCSI320 vs Firewire, who ever wrote that article should have been given a big slap.

What did I say earlier about details? :D

It was Ultra2SCSI, not Ultra SCSI320. :D

[MoparShaha]

Well, I for one, am very happy this topic is being addressed. It seems this "MAC" ignorance comes in waves here on the forums, and right now we're in the thick of it. It has been bothering me for the last two weeks. Yes, I am very anal. :p

[wdlove]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
MAC is also a cosmetics company my last girlfriend used to buy from. ;)

What is the name of your former girlfriends cosmetics company? Don't let them bother you about English eyelikeart. ;)

[coopdog]

I love my MAC. Just becacause someone capitalizes three letters vs. one I really don't see the point in being so angry, over two letters. MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC.

There's my rant.

[yellow]

Laff! That's funny! But I'm not angry.. just trying to correct a common misconception. And I love my DELL! DELL DELL DELL DELL DELL DELL DELL DELL, I mean my GATEWAY GATEWAY GATEWAY, I mean my GATE GATE GATE GATE GATE GATE. GATEW? GAT? DEL? DE? Oops, those are companies, not machine names. I love my INSPIRON. INSP. INS? (Eek! The INS!) I love my SUNBLADE. SUN. SUNB. I love my DIMENSION! DIM! DIM! DIM! DIM! DIM! DIM! DIM!
Well, that looks just plain silly to me.

[neut]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Yes, it's always much better to end a sentence with a proposition.

Of course we can always compound that error by suggestion a bunch of different positions.

And for those that like things in great detail..

The more details you can include about the positions used in the proposition, the better.


now that's comedy...

in context, that little conversation was freakin' halrious!

[bbarnhart]

I don't own a Mac. I do have a Power Mac G4. That's what is says right on the box next to the picture.

[Durandal7]

Actually, they aren't Macs they are Apple Macintosh Personal Computers.

[tazo]

Originally posted by yellow
No, next I shall expound upon the proper usages of "your" and "you're". :)

However, kwyjibo is a perfectly cromulent scrabble word that enbiggens us all.

Irrefragably, I could care less.

[rainman::|:|]

Originally posted by Durandal7
Actually, they aren't Macs they are Apple Macintosh Personal Computers.

are they? i haven't seen Apple refer to them as "macintosh" in a long time... kind of sad...

pnw

[FelixDerKater]

Actually, Apple almost canged the name to MAC (Mouse Activated Computer) in the mid-80's when they were being sued by McIntosh Labortatory (I believe that's the name).

[CmdrLaForge]

my Mac has a MAC ?

[JupiterZen]

Yes it probably has, unless doesn't have a NIC :cool: :p

Originally posted by CmdrLaForge
my Mac has a MAC ?

[ibookin']

Originally posted by FelixDerKater
Actually, Apple almost canged the name to MAC (Mouse Activated Computer) in the mid-80's when they were being sued by McIntosh Labortatory (I believe that's the name).

I think you're right about that.

For those who do not know, McIntosh sells audio components that cost as much as a top-end Mac.

Oh, and while we're being anal about terminology, "MAC" and "MAC address" are two separate things. MAC is the method that is used to determine what gets access to shared media on a network. A MAC address is the sequence of numbers address used to identify specific network devices for this process. So, your Mac, while it can have a MAC address, cannot have a MAC. :D

[themadchemist]

Originally posted by yellow
No, next I shall expound upon the proper usages of "your" and "you're". :)

However, kwyjibo is a perfectly cromulent scrabble word that enbiggens us all.

Or perhaps you could expound on the art of proper capitalization. I'm not quite sure what a kwyjibo is, but last time I checked, Kwyjibo is the idiosyncratic handle of a fellow who frequents this forum.

[yellow]

Originally posted by themadchemist
Or perhaps you could expound on the art of proper capitalization. I'm not quite sure what a kwyjibo is, but last time I checked, Kwyjibo is the idiosyncratic handle of a fellow who frequents this forum. Last time I checked, "kwijibo" was the word that Bart Simpson attempted to use versus his sister while playing scrabble. The Simpsons is also the same place that "cromulent" and "enbiggens" comes from. Scrabble is a game that does not use capitalization, or perhaps since all words are in capitals already, it doesn't use "proper capitalization". That particular line was a tip of the hat to Kwijibo, the poster, for an excellent choice of a (perhaps obscure) name whose source I recognized and responded perhaps in kind. Consider the topic "expounded".

[revenuee]

I go to McMaster University ... Our short form is "MAC" :D

My Mac has a MAC address when i am sitting in the MAC library. :rolleyes:

(Well that would be the case if i had a laptop - common Powerbook G5 ) :(

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
are they? i haven't seen Apple refer to them as "macintosh" in a long time... kind of sad...

pnw

It seems they have not used Macintosh on a machine since the original Power Macintosh and (Power) Performa series.

[manitoubalck]

Originally posted by bousozoku
What did I say earlier about details? :D
It was Ultra2SCSI, not Ultra SCSI320. :D

Sorry I was under the impression the Ulta SCSI 320 and Ultra2SCSI were the same thing.

[kettle]

Originally posted by yellow
Quite often I see people posting about their MAC but meaning to talk about their Mac.

So, are you saying that - if I use the word "GAY" people will realise that I'm talking about the sensation of happiness, and that if I were to use the word "Gay" people would understand that I was refering to another sensation entirely?:eek:

another question...

Does braile use upper and lower case identifications?

[yellow]

Originally posted by kettle
So, are you saying that - if I use the word "GAY" people will realise that I'm talking about the sensation of happiness, and that if I were to use the word "Gay" people would understand that I was refering to another sensation entirely?:eek: Don't be so hard on yourself! You people are gaining acceptance in society every day! Kudos to you for being so brave!

[jayscheuerle]

You go to McDonalds (Irish name) to get a Big Mac (Scottish prefix).

Celtic Clans have gone by:

McIntosh
MacIntosh
Macintosh and Mackintosh.

Macking is the art of picking up women.
Macing is the act of fending off men and dogs.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by manitoubalck
Sorry I was under the impression the Ulta SCSI 320 and Ultra2SCSI were the same thing.

It's okay. :)

Ultra2SCSI: 80 megabytes/sec
UltraSCSI320: 320 megabytes/sec

These are both wide (16 bits) protocols and compare to original SCSI (NCR 5380 chips) at 5 megabytes/sec. narrow (8 bits).

There is also Fast SCSI at 10 (narrow) and 20 (wide); Ultra SCSI, 20 and 40; and UltraSCSI160, 160.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by sonofslim
and if someone doesn't know the difference before they start reading MR, chances are they'll catch on pretty soon. so, unfortunately, you're probably ranting to the choir.

oh, but then they better not read MW december issue where the cover, yes the cover, says is all

MAC VS PC

how is that for clarity?

i think the macintosh will borrow the all caps version and call it their own, thank you:p

[yellow]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
oh, but then they better not read MW december issue where the cover, yes the cover, says is all

MAC VS PC

how is that for clarity?

i think the macintosh will borrow the all caps version and call it their own, thank you:p The name of the magazine is Macworld, not MACworld, correct? :p

But then the last 5 covers I looked at, all their fonts are all-caps.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by yellow
The name of the magazine is Macworld, not MACworld, correct? :p

But then the last 5 covers I looked at, all their fonts are all-caps.

i of all people, the hater of caps, would never use mac all in capital letters, but its usage has made it common enough to get the idea across

it's like a slang term which eventually becomes a word and it's fascinating how the first english dictionary was made and how it wasn't so easy to determine what the words were to make the cut

[kettle]

MAC is a colloquialism.

A colloquialism is language that has limitations of expression.

Even colloquialism may not be specific enough for this particular situation.

Can a colloquialism be a distinction between two words that mean the same and are spelt the same?

Shouldn't an acronym be punctuated with full stops? ...as in M.A.C. meaning Media Access Control and MAC meaning Mac.:eek:

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by pivo6
I'd prefer that you stick with important ones like the difference between "good" and "well" ;)
I'd say the difference between "your" and "you're" is significant enough to be important, as well as "there" "their" and "they're".

English, people.

And, BTW, it's "Rant" not "RANT".

[Sun Baked]

Is the proper response to a thread full of techno babble editors, "Byte Me" or "Bite Me"?

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by kettle
MAC is a colloquialism.

A colloquialism is language that has limitations of expression.

Even colloquialism may not be specific enough for this particular situation.

Can a colloquialism be a distinction between two words that mean the same and are spelt the same?

Shouldn't an acronym be punctuated with full stops? ...as in M.A.C. meaning Media Access Control and MAC meaning Mac.:eek:

MAC is hardly a colloquialism--it is an inccuracy. If it were used consistently, it might be different, but in the same document, it's generally used both ways.

You could use full stops in every acronym; however, you'd end up doubling the size of books and magazines to accomplish that.

[yellow]

Originally posted by kettle
Shouldn't an acronym be punctuated with full stops? ...as in M.A.C. meaning Media Access Control and MAC meaning Mac.:eek: I don't know what the official grammatical rules for acronyms are, but I do know that when it comes to computer terminology, quite often the period separations (assuming they required) are eliminated. NIC, SCSI, USB, RAM, DVD, and CD, are just a few that leap to mind.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by bousozoku
MAC is hardly a colloquialism--it is an inccuracy. If it were used consistently, it might be different, but in the same document, it's generally used both ways.

You could use full stops in every acronym; however, you'd end up doubling the size of books and magazines to accomplish that.

as a pc tech, i can say that 95 percent of the computer users don't care or notice...bigger issues in the industy are not agreed upon

for instance, how do you pronounce linux?

did you know that computer science really is not a science at all?

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
as a pc tech, i can say that 95 percent of the computer users don't care or notice...bigger issues in the industy are not agreed upon

for instance, how do you pronounce linux?

did you know that computer science really is not a science at all?

I suppose you're going to say that Software Engineers aren't engineers either. I bet most of them have never even been on a train, let alone driven one. :D

It's easy to pronounce Linux. For people in the U.S.A., it looks like leenooks, which is like Leenoose (Linus Torvalds).

[yellow]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
for instance, how do you pronounce linux? Personally: "Lye-Nux"

[BaghdadBob]

I've never heard anyone pronounce it "Leenooks". I've heard both "Leyenucks" and "Linnucks" extensively though. I haven't made my mind up myself.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by bousozoku
I suppose you're going to say that Software Engineers aren't engineers either. I bet most of them have never even been on a train, let alone driven one. :D

It's easy to pronounce Linux. For people in the U.S.A., it looks like leenooks, which is like Leenoose (Linus Torvalds).

i have a friend PhD in computer science and grad school teacher in software engineering who also has his master's in a real engineering field...electronic engineering...and his alma mater, MIT will not deem them as real engineers...he knows both sides to the argument, but depending on which day i catch him at, or how much wine (he's my wine tasting partner), software engineering is a science or an art

professional interdisciplinary engineering groups/associatons, etc will not usually involve the computer sciences

i dabble completely on the hardware side of things so that's pretty clear cut...electrons, current, motherboards, etc and is engineering

but from what classes i have taken on the software engineering side, i don't see that the person needs to have the background in math, physics, or chemistry to excel as a perfectly normal software engineer...in the old days before math coprocessors, the techie had to actually work out mathematical formulas and use high end statistics to find a bloody darn vacuum tube...look up demming award for interesting QandA stories...and it took chemists to determine what unknown or high frequency blowouts were on supercomputers which were room sized

the industry still has a large component of computer techies (hardware and software) that are the old timers who possess electrical and electronic engineering degrees before the days of any degrees that used the word computer or data processing

but today, it does not take the same type of person to land a job as a software person since the field as it is now, with a lot of the nitpicky details of math, chemistry, physics handled by others...makes the job more of an art form

art or science, both disciplines are needed for the future of mankind

i like what the local upstart college in my area does with the meshing of art for their computer students and they decided not to call their degree computer "this" or software "that", but telecommunications, multimedia, and applied computing and it's the first time that a liberal arts college has given a "science" degree as far as i know

the dean is a solid believer in making high end sofware techies for the field and for academics but not on the assumption that they are engineers, but artists

my dad grew up in the days before world war II and then it was clearly assumed that photography was not a high art...it was considered a technical field but after working with ansel adams he was convinced it was an art

today's software engineers will be considered high art

a great link is www.schoolofvisualarts.edu and their computer art major

www.sva.edu is a direct link to their department

[hmmfe]

Originally posted by ibookin'
I think you're right about that.

For those who do not know, McIntosh sells audio components that cost as much as a top-end Mac.

Oh, and while we're being anal about terminology, "MAC" and "MAC address" are two separate things. MAC is the method that is used to determine what gets access to shared media on a network. A MAC address is the sequence of numbers address used to identify specific network devices for this process. So, your Mac, while it can have a MAC address, cannot have a MAC. :D

Since we are all trying to be so smart...

Your Mac can have a MAC (media access controller) and a MAC address.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
I've never heard anyone pronounce it "Leenooks". I've heard both "Leyenucks" and "Linnucks" extensively though. I haven't made my mind up myself.

Just don't let Linus Torvalds hear you say it that way. He will tutor you on it. :D

[michaelrjohnson]

When i was a freshman in college a girl got a new ibook and they asked for her MAC address on the form to get internet, she filled out her room number and residence hall. She didn't quite figure it out. But yes its Mac, NOT MAC.

That's hilarious!

[King Cobra]

Earlier today, I went on Western Digital's website - www.westerndigital.com - to look up something about their Hard Drives, and right on the front page of their support section is "MAC" mispelled to mean "Mac." Talk about a major 3rd party redistributor that isn't so knowledgeable in their "knowledge base" as you would expect. Actually, don't talk about it, it could get ugly fast.

[yellow]

Ditto in Eudora's searchable support docs. For shame!

[Mr. Anderson]

why does it really matter? in most cases its clearly understood what you mean. The letter case in terms of spelling is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure your also bothered with people that mix up they're other grammatical errors..... :p

You can't ever expect to *cure* the problem, my advice would be to let go of the whole issue, it will lower your stress level and let you live longer:D

D

[yellow]

Hehe.. I smoke. Clearly I don't want to live very long at all! :)

[King Cobra]

Clearly...

As for why the couple of extra letters is a problem, well... I'm not sure. Go back in time by about 7 and a half months and ask the original poster.

[Vlade]

yes of course your right, but who cares ...


every couple of months someone flips on this kinda dumb imo... next your going to make sure everyone uses proper capitalization when says iPod or iBook ....

Thats exactly what I think, you have some problems if MAC instead of Mac bothers you...

[Les Kern]

Would it be okay if you cap them and follow with exclamation points? Like : MAC!!! Is that okay?
I had a friend once who CONSTANTLY corrected grammar ("It's not "CAN I help you?" Of course you can! I'ts "MAY I help you")
I was forced to kill him.

[EJBasile]

A Macintosh is also a kind of apple

Gosh people would stop calling your computers fruits- i mean really

Just kidding

[Krizoitz]

off the subject;
last night i got drunk and met some nice german tourists at the LOTR premiere.
:D

Too bad they weren't Scottish, then it would be on topic! MacDuff anyone?

[revenuee]

Thats exactly what I think, you have some problems if MAC instead of Mac bothers you...

actually i would like to have the life of the person who has time to think about the difference between MAC and Mac ... i want those to be my problems -- instead i live in the real world ...with real problems.

[ryan42]

I find it odd he gripes at other people about MAC and Mac and your and you're yet still... "You computer isn't a MAC"

[edesignuk]

argh! thread revival! :eek:

[Nermal]

Personally: "Lye-Nux"

Same here. It amuses me when I hear people say 'the lin-nix operating system, invented by lye-nus' :rolleyes:

[zv470]

When I signed up at uni to connect to the network... I had to fill out a form aswell, the technician there didn't know what a MAC address was. She got really confused when I told her I've got a Mac. :D Even after I explained that a MAC is a unique number assigned to every single network device in the world, vs. Mac(intosh) the company. :o

[Don't panic]

You shouldn't end sentences with a preposition. :D

Details aren't a part of most people's lives, unfortunately.


That has already been taken care of:

"From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put" (WC)


btw, one of the nicests utterly pointless threads, it's only fair it won't die...

[FelixDerKater]

That's hilarious! You're only 7 months late in pointing that out. :) It seems that since you are at 968 posts, you just might be trying to push you post count to 1000. Just an observation...

[Vlade]

I didn't even realize that this thread was a half year old, I thought it was recent when I posted lol.

[jefhatfield]

I didn't even realize that this thread was a half year old, I thought it was recent when I posted lol.

i never check the dates of when a thread was started...i am too busy reading posts and making my own

from time to time, old stuff gets resurrected and that's ok

i have been here so long that many threads/topics get blurred...and i have seen almost everything under the sun discussed...sometimes really gross stuff that only someone like eyelikeart would put here ;)

[Doctor Q]

;)

Golly gee. I never knew that Mac was short for Macintosh! Whadayaknow!

But what do the letters in A.P.P.L.E. Computer, Inc. stand for?

[wdlove]

i never check the dates of when a thread was started...i am too busy reading posts and making my own

from time to time, old stuff gets resurrected and that's ok

i have been here so long that many threads/topics get blurred...and i have seen almost everything under the sun discussed...sometimes really gross stuff that only someone like eyelikeart would put here ;)

I agree with you Jef. eyelikeart has provided us with some of the best of threads here on Macrumors. His Poop and Drunk thread of course are well known. I'm hoping that our fearless leader will be able to return soon. Everyone needs time to themselves once in a while. Just hope that he knows that he is greatly missed.

[jefhatfield]

I agree with you Jef. eyelikeart has provided us with some of the best of threads here on Macrumors. His Poop and Drunk thread of course are well known. I'm hoping that our fearless leader will be able to return soon. Everyone needs time to themselves once in a while. Just hope that he knows that he is greatly missed.

i didn't know that eyelikeart was gone...where is he right now?

[Doctor Q]

Just busy. No harm has befallen him.

[bousozoku]

When I signed up at uni to connect to the network... I had to fill out a form aswell, the technician there didn't know what a MAC address was. She got really confused when I told her I've got a Mac. :D Even after I explained that a MAC is a unique number assigned to every single network device in the world, vs. Mac(intosh) the company. :o

Ummm, there is no Mac(intosh) the company--it's a computer line. Apple is the company. ;) (Since we're reviving picking nits.)

eyelikeart is busy photographing people and being ever so important himself. We should all be proud of him. :)