WWDC 2008 Keynote Coverage Live

[buzzbee]

Just wondering what this will do to Touch sales?

I know there is the monthly service charge but it does so much more, no need to rely on wi fi.

[priller]

I believe that's what he said. So hopefully it'll be around £100 (exc taxes)

Wait for o2 to screw us on the contract.

[lindsayanng]

HOW is MMS dead if 85% of the phone sout there do not support email with pictures in it?

[Kebabselector]

Time to watch Italy vs Holland now!

[viccles]

I wonder when the apple store will be back up

[Klaxons2012]

I think the most remarkable is people aren't getting the subsidized treatment for this phone. This may be the lowest profit margin in the history of consumer electronics. This is a very intersting business model.

[runxc24]

$199 u.s should mean €165.....but it wont it'll be €199.....apple are like that!

However the EUR 199 includes VAT...

[Watabou]

what else did you want?? geez...

I don't know. i wanted them to surprise me. :)

[kgeier82]

i stand by my statement before the keynote. No 32GB, no iphone.

Looks like no iphone, oh well.

[bigmac7]

So no video chat i guess?

[0racle]

Worst keynote evar.

[noodle654]

Wow some guy on Saturday bought my iPhone for $350...I hope he doesnt see this.

[FF_productions]

Time to watch Italy vs Holland now!

LOL same here.

[runxc24]

AAPL stock dove 3 points right after the keynote ended.... and it's still plummeting... -4.4 as I type this

[extraextra]

Lol the news.. "Steve Jobs unveils new iPhone... G3 network..."

[poorbusker]

i want this **** to record videos

[Maldini]

At last fantastic news
$199 ? thats peanuts

[xenotaku]

I hope that whoever said that people who sold their iPhones were morons will retract their comment.

You still don't have a phone for a month.....

[tmelvin]

Wow...that's 2 hours of my life I'll never get back....

Could be worse I guess...it could have been 2 hours of Euro Football...bllaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[lofight]

they'll probably discount the ipod touch too.

[viccles]

Any announcement about about the camera? more than 2 MP?

[buzzbee]

Great Job!

[dizastor]

I'm always disappointed when there isn't "one more thing"

[Klaxons2012]

Windows Mobile users just dropped their blackberries.

[lindsayanng]

same camera.. no video :P

[Diode]

I think the most remarkable is people aren't getting the subsidized treatment for this phone. This may be the lowest profit margin in the history of consumer electronics. This is a very intersting business model.

I think Apple plans on getting it's fee from Apps and subscription fees

[alphaod]

Looks like no "One more thing..."

[extraextra]

Apple store is up.

[drewsof07]

Royal disappointment. Plain and simple.

[Watabou]

Worst keynote evar.

Sadly, I have to agree. The only big thing for me was the new iPhone and all that was predicted. No video conferencing dissapointed me.

Oh well, I will still be buying it. :cool:

[viccles]

Wow some guy on Saturday bought my iPhone for $350...I hope he doesnt see this.

Someone bought mine for $570 I'm still waiting for confirmation that the funds have cleared

[ghall]

*Stares blankly at computer screen, blinks, gets up, and walks away*

[lhotka]

Completely disappointed.

The iPhone is irrelevant to the 75% of North America who aren't AT&T customers.

A nice toy, cool features, no significant meat. Where's the Mac?

[apachie2k]

Wow...that's 2 hours of my life I'll never get back....

i feel the same way.... very perplexing, just odd...

[bdkennedy1]

AAPL stock dove 3 points right after the keynote ended.... and it's still plummeting... -4.4 as I type this

Because the media hyped that something else would be unveiled besides the iPhone.

[tmoney468]

Well that was pretty boring, I was hoping for some sort of update to the Mac line, either the MB or MBP. Guess not though

[relimw]

What the heck! Just the iPhone?!?

What kind of developer's conference is this?

:mad:

[brisweeney]

is $199 ex vat then? depending on what state your in what will the overall cost be?

ill deffo be getting one here in ireland on july 11th. price was the only thing keeping me away. plus the limited amount of txt's, i use about 600 a month, but o2 ire allowes you to add bundles of txt ontop of your iphone tarrif. so im sold!

[Andrew Henry]

There goes the value of my iPhone :(

[mrgreen4242]

This makes the ipod touch 300$ look ridiculous.

Er, the iPhone is going to cost you about $1650 over the course of the contract. A comparable (non-data inclusive) cell plan might run you about half that. Toss in a free handset and a $300 touch and you're saving over $500.

I'm disappointed, not surprised mind you just disappointed, there was no talk of other carriers or better plan pricing from ATT.

[lindsayanng]

store is running slow though

[ipodtouchy333]

How can they sell 10 million iPhones by the end of this year without selling any for 2 months. UGHHHHH !!!!!!!!! That was ..... DISAPPOINTING

[aamaczz]

i stand by my statement before the keynote. No 32GB, no iphone.

Looks like no iphone, oh well.

Completely agree, I bought a 16gb touch last November as that was the largest capacity at the time. I had to dump so much stuff to get it to fit. My contract just finished so I was looking forward to a 32Gb iPhone. Well I guess it has to be something else now...

[autrefois]

I have to say I am very impressed with the $199 price point for the 8 GB, and that this price point is worldwide. Kudos to Apple on doing this, they could have made off like bandits. How can anyone complain about that pricing??

It's disappointing that it was iPhone only, but I was happy with what they covered. The apps and iPhone 2.0 sound great (and it sounds like there will be plenty more where that came from), the new iPhone 3G sounds great, mobileme sounds great (let's see if the implementation for mobileme is as well; it was funny how people applauded when it was announced that mobileme was replacing .mac).

So I have to say, for it being an iPhone-only keynote, I was pretty impressed. And I'll be eagerly awaiting news on Snow Leopard later today. :)

[extraextra]

Wow, I would've thought the iPod touch would've been discounted at least $100. Guess not, with the back to school special and all, but I think that's a lot of money for soemthing that has less features than the iPhone.

[Hawk.]

iPhone 3G specs:Screen size: 3.5 inches (diagonal)

Screen resolution: 480 by 320 pixels (163 ppi)

Input method: Multi-Touch

Storage: 8GB and 16GB

Cellular: UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

Wireless data: Wi-Fi (802.11b/g); UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz); EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR GPS Assisted-GPS

GPS: Assisted-GPS

Camera: 2.0 megapixels

Battery: Talk time: Up to 5 hours on 3G; up to 10 hours on 2G; Standby time: Up to 300 hours; Internet use: Up to 5 hours on 3G; up to 6 hours on Wi-Fi; Video playback: Up to 7 hours; Audio playback: Up to 24 hours

Dimensions: 4.5 by 2.4 by 0.48 inches (115.5 by 62.1 by 12.3 mm)

Weight: 4.7 ounces (133 grams)

[Templex]

Any announcement about about the camera? more than 2 MP?

Camera is the same

I really hope that $199 isn't the subsidized price!

[Watabou]

I'm disappointed, not surprised mind you just disappointed, there was no talk of other carriers or better plan pricing from ATT.

Yes, I was expecting that in "One more thing..." But it never came.

[Tallest Skil]

Er, the iPhone is going to cost you about $1650 over the course of the contract. A comparable (non-data inclusive) cell plan might run you about half that. Toss in a free handset and a $300 touch and you're saving over $500.

I'm disappointed, not surprised mind you just disappointed, there was no talk of other carriers or better plan pricing from ATT.

It's called jailbreaking and unlocking.

[xenotaku]

hmmm...not for sale yet. Maybe it won't be on sale till July.

[queshy]

Wow, that was lamer than ANY of us could have predicted!

Oh wait, one more thing...

Introducing the new MacRumors - now called iPhoneRumors! Boom!

[inkswamp]

Worst. Keynote. Ever.

No Mac announcements? At WWDC?

Seriously, Steve, WTF?

[kidwithdimples]

Now for all the T-Mobile Customers: HOW DO WE GET ONE OF THOSE 3G iPhones? :(

[eyemacg5]

Unlocked anyone?

[numediaman]

Thanks for the lunchtime entertainment -- I've never read so many absolutely crazy posts in one place, at one time.

Did people really think he wasn't going to introduce a new iPhone?

Well, I'm neither elated nor disappointed. 3G is nice, but predictable. GPS is the same.

But the lack of more capacity and the fact that there is still no video conferencing means I can wait a while and continue to enjoy my now old-fashioned iPhone until Christmas when Apple will introduce a slightly newer iPhone that doesn't offer much new except capacity, colors, or whatever. But that is the phone I'll buy.

My iPhone was not made out-of-date today. AT&T's 3G network may be larger than in the past, but it still doesn't cover metropolitan areas, let alone the country.

[bigmac7]

Just tried getting back into the store but I think it is down again lol.

[shinji]

Worst. Keynote. Ever.

No Mac announcements? Seriously, Steve, WTF?

Agreed...what a waste of time.

[extraextra]

Camera is the same

I really hope that $199 isn't the subsidized price!

I thought $199 was the sale price and there's no subsidy?

[Much Ado]

Great Keynote!

Mobile Me, iPhone 2.0 looks better and better, apps look unbelievable especially the games, Snow Leopard will be previewed, and the iPhone has 3G and GP-effing-S.

Another step ahead for Apple.

[billchase2]

alrighty, it's been fun but time to get a little more work done.

my thoughts on the new iphone: a nice upgrade... however, it's nothing super impressive. those who have the original iphone will still be good to go for quite a while (myself included). if i'm able to come up with the money to upgrade in the next couple months, cool... if not, not that big of a deal.

the new software though... is gonna rock. and that is good for ANY iphone. :D

[jayhawk11]

Severely disappointed. I think most Mac fans would agree with me on that. I'm all for 3G, but the charge for iPod Touch users (again) and lack of ANY talk related to the Mac line is a little disconcerting. Apple really seems to be neglecting their bread and butter over the past year.

[lofight]

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[mrgreen4242]

Camera is the same

I really hope that $199 isn't the subsidized price!

Why wouldn't it be? You think there's a 50% drop in manufacturing cost, while adding features, in a year? That's unlikely. I'm sure Apples price is still $400 and ATT is ponying up the extra $200 per contract.

[GCY]

Wow...good thing I sold my 8GB refurb on ebay two weeks ago for $450:) Now I could get myself 2 8gb!

[Much Ado]

Worst. Keynote. Ever.

No Mac announcements? At WWDC?

Seriously, Steve, WTF?

Snow Leopard will be previewed over the next few days.

[GuillaumeB]

Didn't he talk about snow leopard at the beginning??, WTF

[bdkennedy1]

Ok, I hope we have gotten all this iPhone crap out of the way and we can move on to other things now. This is the 3rd keynote where the iPhone has dominated the whole presentation.

[Klaxons2012]

ohh my goood the entitlement! the whining!

[MacSA]

Didn't he talk about snow leopard at the beginning??, WTF

OSX 10.6 wasn't considered important enough to be part of the keynote...

[Orng]

Windows Mobile users just dropped their blackberries.

You know, of course, that Blackberries don't run on Windows Mobile?
Just makin' sure!

What the heck! Just the iPhone?!?
What kind of developer's conference is this?
:mad:

No this is just a keynote. The developer's conference is all sorts of sessions and booths selling stuff and plastic bags full of freebies and paper refuse that could have been delivered on a disk.

And of course, the keynote was all about development... iPhone development. Which is cocoa so it still appleis to regular Mac developers (as well as bringing new developers into the fold)

[duncyboy]

There's no way the UK version's going for the equivalent of $199. No way. There must be strings attached like you pay $399 and get a $200 refund when it's registered for contract?

Otherwise I'm waiting for confirmation of a working Jailbreak/crack for the 3G and buying one. Simple as.

UK store's still down.

EDIT- UK store's back up and there's no price listed!!! :D Guess Steve forgot to let the UK site staff in on the prices!!!

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8052/picture2bq5.th.png (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture2bq5.png)

[chappy87]

Does "maximum" $200 imply that carriers will be allowed to subsidise the iPhone as they wish?

I must say, even though my 1st Gen might take a little longer to load websites, I much prefer it's metal back.....

[Hawk.]

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1431/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/iphone/img/prod-hero-black.jpghttp://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1431/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/iphone/img/prod-hero-white.jpg

[Saladinos]

To Summarise:

- Much better battery life
- Slimmer
- Same great hardware, with DS/PSP-level graphics
- aGPS
- Heavily reduced price
- Better worldwide availability
- Same great software - easy to use and great features, and all the new 2.0 features - Now with push-notifications for background apps!
- MobileMe integration for wireless phone-desktop synching

This is the update I was looking for. 1G iPhone, you've been comprehensively trumped.

[tmelvin]

If anyone is good at Video, and editing, here's an idea...

Have some big, fat nasty guy go into a bathroom, and take a massive *****. You hear him grunting, and making all kinds of noises...he opens the door, and leaves and doesn't flush...

The camera goes in, and peeks in the bowl...a big floating "WWDC 2008" is floating...LOL

[xenotaku]

Only available in physical stores?!

From apple site:
"Where to buy:

iPhone will be available in 8GB (black) and 16GB (black or white) models1 at Apple Retail Stores and AT&T Stores."

[fiftydollarshoe]

To Summarise:

- Much better battery life
- Slimmer
- Same great hardware, with DS/PSP-level graphics
- aGPS
- Heavily reduced price
- Better worldwide availability
- Same great software - easy to use and great features, and all the new 2.0 features - Now with push-notifications for background apps!
- MobileMe integration for wireless phone-desktop synching

This is the update I was looking for. 1G iPhone, you've been comprehensively trumped.



GPS
Assisted-GPS
Camera
2.0 megapixels
:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone?mco=MTE2NTQ

[tivoli2]

Nothing about any Mac whatsoever? Wow. I had a strong feeling it'd be very iPhone-centric, but I never thought it'd be Mac-free. Apple really is becoming Trendy Consumer Gadgets, Inc. Blah.

[kgeier82]

wow 2months of no stock, thats a big no-no.

I dont care if they went worldwide. Whoever made that call should be fired, and Steve should be as well.

Thats a major F-up.

[bdkennedy1]

I want to know what was in all of those boxes!!

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Camera is the same

I really hope that $199 isn't the subsidized price!

it definitely is. They're not going to give you the iPhone for free...

I want to know what was in all of those boxes!!

Nothing, they were fakes.

[GCY]

what a disappointing keynote. Almost the whole keynote is on apps! Do they really need 2 hrs to talk about apps? And still no MBP update! :mad:
Anyone know when is the next keynote? Sept.?

[saminsocks]

The plan prices are still the same on the iPhone page...

[Hawk.]

Anyone care to explain to us what Assisted-GPS is?

[Spades]

Any chance MacRumors could do live coverage of the Snow Leopard preview? That sounds more interesting than the keynote was.

[jayhawk11]

Nothing about any Mac whatsoever? Wow. I had a strong feeling it'd be very iPhone-centric, but I never thought it'd be Mac-free. Apple really is becoming Trendy Consumer Gadgets, Inc. Blah.

My thoughts exactly. This is not going to help their stock at all. I sense another e-mail from Steve to Apple employees in the next week or so.

[lofight]

When is the stream coming... !!!

EDIT:: :p :p

[vega07]

what is assisted-GPS? is that the technology in today's TomTom, etc?

[queshy]

It's surprising because Apple is known for its OS, yet their new OS wasn't even worth 5 minutes of keynote time! Lame.

Having absolutely no stock for this long is a poor business move.

Also, its pretty impossible to flip an iPod touch on ebay now...a 16 gb would go for max 250.

[numediaman]

I don't like to post complaints, so don't read this comment necessarily as a complaint, but . . .

I really, really like the weight and feel of the current iPhone (now, old iPhone). With a rubber mask on, it stays in place in the front of the car. Sometimes lighter is not better. I also like the metal case -- plastic scares me and screams "cheap" to me.

But ... I'll wait and see when it hits the Apple or AT&T stores if I change my mind. Not that I'll have a choice unless someone comes out with a metal case as an after market product.

[ghall]

This is what I feared when Apple dropped "computer" from it's name. :o

[bdkennedy1]

Nothing, they were fakes.

Not the ones the "stores" got. The ones on the ship and at the warehouses where the distributors were scrambling and running around.

[mrgreen4242]

It's called jailbreaking and unlocking.

If someone unlocks the new iPhone so it can work as a touch (music/movies/wifi/app store) plus has the camera, BT headphone support, speaker (it's noce for YouTube and whatnot), and GPS (with standalone map software, of course) I might be tempted to sell my touch and eat the loss on it to use the iPhone as a stand alone device.

For me it comes down to $60 per month being just too much for a cell phone plan, even with unlimited data, especially without unlimited nights/weekends/texts.

Sprint (say what you want about the CS - I've not a problem with them personally, and I've had nothing but trouble with ATT - but I'm not going to argue with anyone about it) will give more more minute, unlimited nights/weekends/text/data/picture mail/video mail, and earlier (7pm) nighttime rate start time for $30 per month. Half price of ATT.

I can get a Palm Cetro for $99, after rebate. Again, half price. The iPhone is NICE. It's awesome, even the 1G model without all the new features. But, I don't think it's 2x as nice.

8gb iPhone + 2 years service = $1639
Centro + 2 year service = $819 ... that leaves a lot of cash for whatever it is you feel the iPhone gives you that the competition doesn't. iPod touch and a nice GPS will still leave over $300 in your pocket at the end of the day, and those will keep working for nothing when your contract runs out.

[relimw]

No this is just a keynote. The developer's conference is all sorts of sessions and booths selling stuff and plastic bags full of freebies and paper refuse that could have been delivered on a disk.

And of course, the keynote was all about development... iPhone development. Which is cocoa so it still appleis to regular Mac developers (as well as bringing new developers into the fold)

Last I looked, Apple made more than just the freaking iPhone. 10.6 may get 'previewed' in the sessions, but obviously Steve is deemphasizing OS X, and the rest of the hardware lines. Maybe he should just go ahead and change the corporate name to The iPhone Company.

[lostfan916]

http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/gallery/

Gallery, since the US site is being lame and not updating

ETA: no it's updated *roll*

[fiftydollarshoe]

what is assisted-GPS? is that the technology in today's TomTom, etc?




http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/features/maps.html

[GCY]

So is :apple: still selling the old iphones? I wonder how much will a refurb be from apple.com $150?:D

[bdkennedy1]

I'm sticking with my current iPhone. With the new software, there's really no compelling reason to upgrade. EDGE is good enough for me. And... I can't stand the plastic on the back. I hated the iPod Nano for this.


I don't like to post complaints, so don't read this comment necessarily as a complaint, but . . .

I really, really like the weight and feel of the current iPhone (now, old iPhone). With a rubber mask on, it stays in place in the front of the car. Sometimes lighter is not better. I also like the metal case -- plastic scares me and screams "cheap" to me.

But ... I'll wait and see when it hits the Apple or AT&T stores if I change my mind. Not that I'll have a choice unless someone comes out with a metal case as an after market product.

[autrefois]

I really don't know what the complaining is about:

iPod Touch: only $10 to upgrade to the new system. You pay $129 to upgrade your Mac's system, $10 for the added functionality you'll be getting really doesn't seem like a lot to me.

Lack of focus on Mac: they dropped "computer" from the name of the company. What did you expect? I really would have liked for their to be Mac news, but Steve came right out and said it would be iPhone only.

He mentioned Snow Leopard, and said there would be sessions on this, so I assume we'll hear more about it soon. Given its name is similar to the current OS (and given rumors), my guess is this will not be a major update like Tiger or Leopard was.

So why spend time talking about tweaks when you're going to drop the price of the iPhone, offer GPS, 3G, and sell it in 70 countries? Not to mention all the people and huge corporations who have been trying out the iPhone SDK demo. If iPhone hadn't have had center stage, I think a lot of people would have been disappointed.

I was one of the people who was most upset by computers taking the backseat to the iPhone, but I'm beginning to see now everything that iPhone is capable of. So yes, we need Mac updates and information as well, and I'm a little bummed that there was none of this in the keynote, but I can understand this being very iPhone oriented. And with iPhone using the same kernel as OS X, iPhone development and Mac development are going to be more and more related, IMO.

[saminsocks]

If Snow Leopard really is just an Intel-only version of Leopard, what would be the point in making a big deal out of it? We already know what Leopard does and developers already know that Cocoa is the new Carbon. I highly doubt there will be new features in Snow Leopard.

Also, was there any mention on whether or not the Bluetooth in the iPhone still be limited to headsets, or can it be used for data transfer, too?

[Anuba]

Those who bought into the "Mac Fusion" hoax, feel free to dance for us now.

Underwhelming and bizarrely executed keynote, but whatever. iPhone is finally coming to my country and I'm getting one. In fact I'm actually going for the white one, getting a little weary of my 200 pitch black gadgets... guess I'll have to put up with the "OMG THAT'S SO GHEY" remarks.

[stagi]

I like the new ad, cool

[Klaxons2012]

I think the big winner today is the guy that Photoshopped the video conferencing app for the iPhone. Very creative...goofy photos.

[noodle654]

It really sucks that you cant pre-order this. Bull...

[autrefois]

btw, www.me.com now redirects to Apple's site.

[Lord Zedd]

If Snow Leopard really is just an Intel-only version of Leopard

Incorrect. The PowerPC macs are still too new to be dropped entirely so soon.

[inkswamp]

Snow Leopard will be previewed over the next few days.

Did he say it would be demoed to the general public or just for the attendees at WWDC? Criminy, what a joke of a keynote.

"Here's a scrap for you quaint little Mac people... and now on to iPhone!"

[Klaxons2012]

Am I the only one that thinks the 32GB iPhone is going to be released this fall?

[Phil A.]

Have to say the new prices are very, very good, but as an existing 16GB iPhone owner, I can't see any compelling reason to get the new one, unless O2 give them away: 3G is good but not essential, and the same with GPS (I've got GPS in my car).
No front camera (and therefore no Video Conferencing) is a major mistake IMO - apart from anything it still leaves other phone companies some leverage to snipe at the iPhone: 99%+ of 3G phones have support for video calling
On the subject of cameras, 2MP is a bit lame in 2008: I didn't even think they'd be able to source 2MP sensors any more!
Finally, still no MMS - I don't use it myself but a lot of people do, and to leave it off is, to be honest, lame

So, the new iPhone has a plastic back, no dock in the box (both to save money I guess) and 99% the same hardware as the old one. Sounds more like iPhone Lite than iPhone V2 to me...

[inkswamp]

Any chance MacRumors could do live coverage of the Snow Leopard preview? That sounds more interesting than the keynote was.

Watching paint dry would be more interesting than this keynote.

[kidwithdimples]

My previous question was totally ignored by the MacRumors community. :(

It sucks for all T-Mobile customers. We have no where to go and buy a 3G iPhone.

[Nitromaster]

The ad is up on Apple's site:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/gallery/ads/hallway/

[lofight]

There are going to be MASSIVE WAITING LINES on 11th of July!!!

[Lesser Evets]

THANK YOU MACRUMORS. YOUR COVERAGE WAS AWESOME.

That being said, the actual info Jobs presented was dull to me. I'm not an iPhone user, and with their coverage I don't plan to be. Even if I was, I wouldn't be enthused by this keynote.

[Anuba]

My 2 cents re: lack of new Macs...

You gotta keep in mind that a new Intel platform is around the corner, and Apple will probably wait for that. It would be pointless to introduce new (or improved) models based on the old platform. I know they started early with some sort of Nehalem hybrid in the iMac but I think this experiment was a one-off, not to be used in MacBooks...

Back in the PPC days, nobody knew that the G3, G4 and G5 were coming, so Apple could sneak up and surprise you. But Intel's primary market is Windows-based PCs and they are completely open about technology they have in the pipeline, so you may wanna keep an eye on Intel for hints on when to expect new Macs.

[BostonPops]

Good = Mobileme iDisk is 20GB

Bad = looks like e-mail addresses are changing to me.com

[Klaxons2012]

Did he say it would be demoed to the general public or just for the attendees at WWDC? Criminy, what a joke of a keynote.

"Here's a scrap for you quaint little Mac people... and now on to iPhone!"

I don't see what the joke is. Have you ever thought to use Medical Imaging software on your Blackberry?

"...you can't always get what you want."

[cube]

iPhone conference. meh.

[lofight]

There's a huge fault on the apple store. On the Belgium website it says you can buy the iphone 3g in the "telefonica movistar" shops. And it should be mobistar. But it DOES link to mobistar.be ???

[stagi]

There are going to be MASSIVE WAITING LINES on 11th of July!!! Yep another day I will have to take off work :)

[TuffLuffJimmy]

My 2 cents re: lack of new Macs...

You gotta keep in mind that a new Intel platform is around the corner, and Apple will probably wait for that. It would be pointless to introduce new (or improved) models based on the old platform.

Back in the PPC days, nobody knew that the G3, G4 and G5 were coming, so Apple could sneak up and surprise you. But Intel's primary market is Windows-based PCs and they are completely open about technology they have in the pipeline, so you may wanna keep an eye on Intel for hints on when to expect new Macs.

ummmm no one believed that a new iMac was coming today. Everyone pretty much got what was expected, Steve spending two hours on his fancy phone and a mention and a nod to Snow Leopard.

Oh and .Mac's poorly named little brother. (It's okay my little brother's name is Pleplius, I'm not quite sure how my parent's came up with that.)

[lhotka]

I don't see what the joke is. Have you ever thought to use Medical Imaging software on your Blackberry?

"...you can't always get what you want."

I hope that my Doc NEVER uses a mobile device to evaluate medical images. Security, Privacy, and Quality of care are all issues.

Nice toy. But a toy.

[bdkennedy1]

Maybe I missed it, but I'm assuming that the $199 price of the phone is subsidized with a contract and the actual price of the phone outright will be a lot more?

[rhett7660]

looks like e-mail addresses are changing to me.com


You will be able to keep the mac.com if you want. Look at apples website....

[lofight]

Yep another day I will have to take off work :)
I think you might have to take some days off work. First for waiting a day or two. Then playing with it untill you drop. And eventually if you want, test Mobile ME.

[Lord Zedd]

THANK YOU MACRUMORS. YOUR COVERAGE WAS AWESOME.

Unless you consider Gizmodo had FAR better pictures and macscoop had much better text coverage....

[bdkennedy1]

Which turns out to be next January for the next gen Intel processors. And what a coincidence that Snow Leopard is rumored to be released around then.

My 2 cents re: lack of new Macs...

You gotta keep in mind that a new Intel platform is around the corner, and Apple will probably wait for that. It would be pointless to introduce new (or improved) models based on the old platform. I know they started early with some sort of Nehalem hybrid in the iMac but I think this experiment was a one-off, not to be used in MacBooks...

Back in the PPC days, nobody knew that the G3, G4 and G5 were coming, so Apple could sneak up and surprise you. But Intel's primary market is Windows-based PCs and they are completely open about technology they have in the pipeline, so you may wanna keep an eye on Intel for hints on when to expect new Macs.

[Saladinos]

It's to be expected that the iPhone stole the show - it's a brand-new platform for developers. They still managed to keep it developer-centric, even if that did make it a bit boring. Then they livened it up by talking about the 3G model, and everybody complains that it's not developer-enough for them.

Remember that the iPhone uses OSX as well. A developer's conference for Apple devices includes the iPhone as well as the Mac. And given that it's a new platform, I don't think it's unfair that it takes the first keynote, whilst 10.6 comes after lunch. Besides, if rumours are to be believed, 10.6 isn't a very exciting update anyway.

Here's one of the more interesting tidbits from the iPhone site:
More wireless. Less space.
iPhone 3G delivers UMTS, HSDPA, GSM, Wi-Fi, EDGE, GPS and Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR in one compact device — using only two antennas. Clever iPhone engineering integrates those antennas into a few unexpected places: the metal ring around the camera, the audio jack, the metal screen bezel, and within the iPhone circuitry itself. And intelligent iPhone power management technology gives you up to five hours of talk time over 3G networks. That’s some of the best in the business.

Still, am excited to see what 10.6 brings. Please let it be liveblogged.

[Klaxons2012]

Did everyone just miss the point of this being a developers conference? Not a hardware conference. Not an iPhone conference. Developers. Obviously, Apple is trying to pound this SDK into the minds of deveopers by showing them what is possible with the SDK to push the envelope even further.

I'm saddened by the limited scope people on this board have when it comes to discussion of the iPhone. We can't be stuck in the past and cling onto desktops and laptops. With this presentation, OSX Mobile may be on its way to surpassing Windows Mobile, Symbian and Blackberry OS as far as functionality in a year flat...that's remarkable. I think this was a great informative conference and I can't wait to buy the new iPhone 3G. I'll get one for mom too.

[lofight]

.Mac (July 17 , 2002 - 8 June 2008)

[rhett7660]

Still, am excited to see what 10.6 brings. Please let it be liveblogged.

Me to.... Has it been announced if anybody will be covering this?

[lhotka]

Which turns out to be next January for the next gen Intel processors. And what a coincidence that Snow Leopard is rumored to be released around then.

Mobile not until Q4/09 though, which means Q1/10 (maybe at MacWorld '10) for release.

[BostonPops]

You will be able to keep the mac.com if you want. Look at apples website....

Okay. That's cool. I just saw me.com being used in the Mobileme Quick Tour so I figured it was changing.

[chriswg]

I wonder if the "SIM ejector tool" that comes in the box is actually a paper clip. I hope Apple didn't spend time designing and manufacturing their own tool for this...

[Anuba]

ummmm no one believed that a new iMac was coming today.
Well, no -- the iMac was recently updated with some sort of Nehalem hybrid thingamabob. But apparently half the people on this thread were expecting other Mac stuff, like Mac Mini updates (or some sort of Mac Nano to replace it), consumer desktops, new 13" MacBooks with alu casing... not to mention tablet Macs or even that iMac-like docking station thingy.

[lofight]

Me to.... Has it been announced if anybody will be covering this?

If the rumors about 10.6 Snow Leopard were right, big chance the same rumors about the 3 s' to be the big features in 10.6

Speed
Stability
Security.

[aygie]

Man i wish the iPhone hadn't taken over this year, i love mine but jeez i was so desperate for Blu-ray support. :(

[mrgreen4242]

Ug, just saw the tech specs page for the iPhone and it says assisted GPS which means it won't work if you don't have cell coverage, which sucks. Nice I suppose in that it will probably require much less of a clear view of the sky to get a fix, but I'd still rather have "real" GPS.

The best thing was the software, imo, the developer tools sounded great, and the APIs they're giving devs to work with sound powerful (a full OpenGL library?! Awesome).

[Klaxons2012]

Well, no -- the iMac was recently updated with some sort of Nehalem hybrid thingamabob. But apparently half the people on this thread were expecting other Mac stuff, like Mac Mini updates (or some sort of Mac Nano to replace it), consumer desktops, new 13" MacBooks with alu casing... not to mention tablet Macs or even that iMac-like docking station thingy.

I'm sure we'll see some of those items by October at the latest for back to school/christmas rush.

[Sekots]

I new iPhone is cool and all and I'm gonna be buying one. But it is a little disappointing with no MMS or video recording and some other features that were rumored to be in there.

[queshy]

im surprised no one has said this yet so I will be the first -

NO MIDRANGE TOWER?

___

I don't even know if i'll be able to sit through the entire keynote when it comes up on apples website. MR provided great updates but the news was mostly boring because we've already heard it all.

[Klaxons2012]

im surprised no one has said this yet so I will be the first -

NO MIDRANGE TOWER?

If I were a pirate I'd have you walk the plank.

[Phil A.]

Ug, just saw the tech specs page for the iPhone and it says assisted GPS which means it won't work if you don't have cell coverage, which sucks. Nice I suppose in that it will probably require much less of a clear view of the sky to get a fix, but I'd still rather have "real" GPS.

The best thing was the software, imo, the developer tools sounded great, and the APIs they're giving devs to work with sound powerful (a full OpenGL library?! Awesome).

Seeing as how without cell coverage you wouldn't be able to download anything into Google Maps to make sense of your current location, i think it's a moot point...
a-GPS is an enhancement of "real" GPS for small devices: It still communicates with GPS satellites but also uses an "assistance server" for those occasions when you can't get a clear lock onto 3 or more satellites

[Ludde]

To all those people whining about the camera...there's NO POINT WHATSOEVER in cramming more megapixels onto a sensor of that size! You get more noise, and you get huge pictures that, when taken in anyting but burning sunshine, will have to be reduced in size to be even close to viewable.

I applaud Apple for not increasing the numbers on that one...the sensors just aren't good enough to make it worth it.

[kidwithdimples]

Any MacRumor folks who is going to buy the iPhone for Tmobile in New York - send me a PM please!

[ashjamben]

anyone know what time things kick off again?

i'm looking forward to the snow leopard part. more interested in the price tbh

also, the iphone looks pretty good. just waiting on the UK price. it said 199USD but u can never be sure how much they'll be in the uk, although we had them as 199GBP at one point, i imagine they'll be 199GBP. uk apple store has them up but with no prices

[chriswg]

Hmm, I really wanted to upgrade from my current iPhone, but now I don't really have a good enough reason.

1. GPS is a good addition, but I already have a Garmin.
2. 3G is nice, but anywhere that I ever just sit down to do some browsing has WiFi. EDGE is fine for me when I need to look up a thing or two on the go.
3. Battery life is decent enough.

That's about it for new hardware. The rest all seems to be software. But it does look like an excellent product for everyone that doesn't own an iPhone yet!

[saminsocks]

Incorrect. The PowerPC macs are still too new to be dropped entirely so soon.

Thus Intel only version. If PPC macs were being dropped completely they wouldn't need to come out with 10.6, they would just make the new 10.5 update run only on Intel macs. PPC hasn't become legacy yet, and can't, really, until that last Apple Care plan expires, but the focus has been shifting to the Intel-based Macs and this is just one more step. I hate that everyone thinks "OMG NEW OS I MUST BUY IT!!!" If you have a PPC and can't run the new OS that will most likely do the exact same thing as your current OS, tough. You'll have to upgrade someday anyway.

[King t.]

damn no new macbook, i'm really dissapointed by :apple:

[Phil A.]

anyone know what time things kick off again?

i'm looking forward to the snow leopard part. more interested in the price tbh

also, the iphone looks pretty good. just waiting on the UK price. it said 199USD but u can never be sure how much they'll be in the uk, although we had them as 199GBP at one point, i imagine they'll be 199GBP. uk apple store has them up but with no prices

I think everything except the Keynote is under NDA, so I would be surprised if anything else is officially reported

[Anuba]

Did everyone just miss the point of this being a developers conference? Not a hardware conference. Not an iPhone conference. Developers. Obviously, Apple is trying to pound this SDK into the minds of deveopers by showing them what is possible with the SDK to push the envelope even further.
Even those of us who were well aware that it was a developer conference (and thus set our expectations accordingly) were a little underwhelmed by the unusually blatant disregard for the 99.9% who aren't developers. We're talking a new iPhone here. Perhaps not a biggie in the US and other countries where it's already been out for a year, but in some 50 other countries both the media and millions of Apple fans have been up to their necks in hype for the last few weeks. It's not very elegant, polite or business-savvy to kick off this announcement with an hour of mind-numbing drivel about API:s. I've seen WWDC coverage many times so I was already expecting having to watch paint dry, but I wasn't prepared for also having to watch it grow old and have paint babies who go to school and make macaroni pictures.

[Phil A.]

It's not very elegant, polite or business-savvy to kick off this announcement with an hour of mind-numbing drivel about API:s. I've seen WWDC coverage many times so I was already expecting having to watch paint dry, but I wasn't prepared for also having to watch it grow old and have paint babies who go to school and make macaroni pictures.

Thank you for brightening up my day :D

[jswimboy]

My previous question was totally ignored by the MacRumors community. :(

It sucks for all T-Mobile customers. We have no where to go and buy a 3G iPhone.

That's the point. If you want an iphone that badly, why don't you switch to at&t? or just get an unlocked iphone like everyone else

[Trooperof3]

that bummed me.

I wish it was that Apple feeling where he announces, and then tells everyone it'll be availabe 2morrow... I now have to wait another month for SDK. It's crazy how long thats been waiting.

Mobile me should have had some kind of iweb function. i think.


talk about lackluster.... Stocks R down...

[lhotka]

That's the point. If you want an iphone that badly, why don't you switch to at&t? or just get an unlocked iphone like everyone else

Because AT&T has coverage like watered down paint. And unlocked phones don't run on Verizon (which has the best coverage).

[Trooperof3]

I seriously wish they would have told AT&T we have contracts with you for the IPHONE not Iphone 3G.. Then I could get it for Verizon

[Anuba]

Thank you for brightening up my day :D

One is happy to be of service. ;)

Now, this stuff about "maximum price around the world = $199 / $299", what do they mean by that? Surely they can't mean $199 worth of my local currency + VAT?

I mean, take the Mac Pro which starts at $2,795 in the US. That's 17,766 SEK. Add the ludicrous Swedish sales tax (25%) and you have 20,957 SEK. But the Mac Pro starts at 23,995 SEK. Translated back to USD, that's $4,000(!). So the price doesn't reflect the poor value of the USD in the least.

If they literally mean $199, or 1,193 SEK + VAT, I'll take two phones. Hey, I'll take five. But somehow I just can't believe that number. It's the same as a friggin' iPod Nano 4 GB. And 3G plans are dirt cheap in Sweden so that can't be the catch either. This pricing is beyond aggressive, they're wiping everyone else off the map, are they selling it at a loss or what?


Also... anyone else a tad underwhelmed by the design? The old iPhone was very elegant with its metal back and those perforated black rubber thingies at the bottom. This new one just looks like a really fat iPod Touch... or did I miss anything?

[Tallest Skil]

*rant about money*

As has already been said, it's no more than $199 U.S. worldwide. Meaning it gets converted to that equivalent for your country.

[Anuba]

As has already been said, it's no more than $199 U.S. worldwide. Meaning it gets converted to that equivalent for your country.
I'll believe it when I see it, but fair enough... sign me up for five iPhones. One for me, one for my GF, and uhhh.... three for the cat.

[kovalchuk71]

Hey, guys new member. Has anyone heard if there will be landscape SMS or an update for it on the Iphone 3G? Looking at the new Apple site, it doesnt look too promising. How about a more sensitive keyboard? Seems the keyboard has trouble keeping up with me as I type.

[mavherzog]

Am I the only one who had "Windows ME" flashbacks when I saw "Mobile ME"? ;)

[OBL]

Am I the only one who had "Windows ME" flashbacks when I saw "Mobile ME"? ;)

No. I had too. And I have to say that I am not happy with this name.

[Anuba]

Am I the only one who had "Windows ME" flashbacks when I saw "Mobile ME"? ;)
Nope, you and pretty much everyone else. If they didn't make the connection when they saw "ME", they certainly did when they saw the logo. I never dreamed that something so lame could come from Apple.

[oldiescc]

What About MMS. is it still missing ? i need MMS

[kgeier82]

they woulda had me with 32GB option, but now theyll probably lose my money. Not to mention its still a month away?

Im confused...Not available till july11? or just online? Im going to assume this means no apple/att stores have them now in the US.
anyone find the apple site odd how it DOESNT say an available date or nothin?

[Anuba]

Couple of things I noticed about the iPhone...

Says in the tech specs it needs iTunes 7.7. Latest version is 7.6.something, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the old iPhone ship with a dock?

The new one only comes with a cable, like iPods -- the dock costs extra.

[Ademius]

I'll believe it when I see it, but fair enough... sign me up for five iPhones. One for me, one for my GF, and uhhh.... three for the cat.

Yeah, that will be an instant buy for me if it turns out to be true. I mean, I bought the 1st gen Iphone for 399 $ + tax in the US, equivalent to roughly 2800 SEK. Even the 16 GB model would be 299 x 6 = 1794 SEK really much more cheaper.

I think the hook on this one will be a long term expensive exclusive contract to Telia. We will only have to wait and see. I would expect an announcement regarding the subscription plans from Telia (or whatever carrier the rest of the chosen countries have) within this month.

Right now I'm making up excuses to buy the Iphone 3G, although I honestly don't need it :D

[kster]

anyone have a link so we can download the keynote?

[billchase2]

anyone have a link so we can download the keynote?

i was just going to ask the same thing. i haven't been able to find it yet.

[redgaz26]

i was just going to ask the same thing. i haven't been able to find it yet.


not sure about downloading but u can watch it here
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/0806wdt546x/event/index.html

[Infrared]

damn no new macbook, i'm really dissapointed by :apple:

Nope. Phones all the way from here on in.

[Tosser]

Nope. Phones all the way from here on in.

iPhone Inc. Sigh! ...

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Couple of things I noticed about the iPhone...

Says in the tech specs it needs iTunes 7.7. Latest version is 7.6.something, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the old iPhone ship with a dock?

The new one only comes with a cable, like iPods -- the dock costs extra.

Of course, the first rev of most apple products come with a few perks that all the following do not. Just look at all the nice things that came with the first iPods compared to now. We don't even get a CD with new iPods! (not that it's really needed)

[tivoli2]

Did everyone just miss the point of this being a developers conference? Not a hardware conference. Not an iPhone conference. Developers. Obviously, Apple is trying to pound this SDK into the minds of deveopers by showing them what is possible with the SDK to push the envelope even further.

I'm saddened by the limited scope people on this board have when it comes to discussion of the iPhone. We can't be stuck in the past and cling onto desktops and laptops. With this presentation, OSX Mobile may be on its way to surpassing Windows Mobile, Symbian and Blackberry OS as far as functionality in a year flat...that's remarkable. I think this was a great informative conference and I can't wait to buy the new iPhone 3G. I'll get one for mom too.

Yeah, thanks for that... I forget that Apple has never used WWDC for all sorts of announcements. iPhone. Yes, remarkable... I think that's been established. You should embrace the future and get rid of your old-fashioned desk-top thingie.

[PowerFullMac]

The new iPhone, although it is cool, is a bit of a let down. It didnt have the amazing stuff that we all thought it would have, mobile TV, video confrencing, etc... However, as long as its released on pay-as-you-go, or O2 dosent do the same stupid stuff AT&T are going to do to stop unlocking, I will get one.

I will probably get one for my birthday, actually, thanks to the price cut.