View Full Version : Spy Photos - iWalk?

Oct 22, 2001, 07:58 PM
Ah... it's time for the spy photos - what self respecting Apple announcement and speculation be without the obligatory Spy Photos of questionable authenticity....

SpyMac (http://www.spymac.com/) has posted their version of Apple's new product: iWalk:

The iWalk is a kind of PDA with a lot more features than one could have previously expected: It features a high-color TFT-screen with handwriting recognition (using former newton-technology so it's a lot better than current palm os recognition) and direct access to both data stored on local macs (using AirPort) or on iDisk-volumes (using either routing through AirPort or the built-in modem). It has audio in- and output-ports so it can act as a usual mp3-player when connected to a stereo

Ah well... less than a day to go...

Oct 22, 2001, 08:06 PM
I disagree.

It's not a handheld and it's not going to do EVERYthing like Mac OS Rumors contributing writer says. If you step back for a moment you'd think it was an iMac in a Cube case for $300!

It will be a set top device that can record and play music and movies.

It's sad and I think we might be witnessing another public disaster like the Cube (all though I owned one!) I love Apple and will die by them but I think they're coming up with something (again) that people just won't understand.

How frustrating!!!!

Oct 22, 2001, 08:07 PM
Anyone who buys that these are "photos" of the real rumored Apple thingy needs their eyes checked. I've never seen a more obvious 3D model in my life. Although, I loved the "shot in the bathroom" backdrop to add to the mystery, and the added grain was a nice touch.

Oct 22, 2001, 08:09 PM
I didn't say I thought they were real... :)


Oct 22, 2001, 08:22 PM

Okay, now who DOESN'T know at this point that everybody on Earth knows what a Photoshop lens flare looks like?

Besides which, I don't think Apple would have designed something so stupid. As a left-handed person, I can attest that that design would be disastrous for us Southpaws. For that matter, even if you're right-handed, where do you hold the thing while writing on it? The only natural position for your left thumb is all full of buttons.

But then, I suppose that's why the artist is posting fake photos of Apple devices instead of designing real ones.

Oct 22, 2001, 08:26 PM
Ok -

I just went to "http://www.apple.com/pr" to see if i could see anything there...

check the status bar... i swear i saw "tiny DVD" appear for a split second. I wonder if the pr release is somewhere on a sever & is time activated to appear for the press?

- I dunno. maybe i'm nuts?

Oct 22, 2001, 08:28 PM
damn, i really hope that thing is indeed fake, it looks nice but, it looks to much like your average handheld nothing really that groundbreaking.

Oct 22, 2001, 08:33 PM
oh yea, and who the hell at apple would let someone take pictures of this thing, in a bathroom too?

Oct 22, 2001, 08:38 PM
its def. not going to be a handheld. it won't be huge, but i think it's gonna be component-like. and not portable.

looks like i can order my Treo from Handspring. which isn't a bad thing.

the handheld market is a minefield right now.

Oct 22, 2001, 08:42 PM
gandalf55 open the source code of that page, and command-f for "dv" then hit command-g once or twice and you will see that one of the images is called "tiny_dvd.jpg" which i a guessing is the image of the tiny dvd disks. i don't think they would post anything new to their page until it actually is released. nice try tho! :)

Oct 22, 2001, 08:46 PM
can't blame me for trying :)

what time is the press conference anyway?

Oct 22, 2001, 08:48 PM
those photos look pretty fake to me. here is my guess after discussing with some friends:

set top box/stereo component. portable but not handheld. possible remote? optional airport (to keep pricepoint down) usb or usb2? (supposed to be even faster than firewire-and if it going to be compaitble with pc, this would be smart), little screen (on the remote or on the device? maybe it uses your tv with the itunes visuals as the saver?) has rca cables, maybe (hope) optical cabes? i am guessing it will be around the sixe of a 4x6 pen tablet and about 2" thick. looks like an ibook, now the only thing left is the sex appeal. i am hoping it will be under $200, but most likely will end up at $300ish.

just a guess. -efg

Oct 22, 2001, 08:52 PM
i forgot... my guess is $129 (not including airport)... but maybe i am dreaming...

Oct 22, 2001, 08:52 PM
let's say you're right...

who is gonna buy one of these?

Oct 22, 2001, 08:57 PM
anyone who wants to connect their pc or mac to their stereo in a different room. especially those of us who have LARGE mp3 collections and don't want to have to sit in front of their pc to listen to the music.

Oct 22, 2001, 09:27 PM
I dont beleive for a second that this item will link your stereo to your computer! Now, I could be wrong, but I have a stero connected to my computer, and it cost me $3.99 to do! I have a stereo miniplug to rca that goes into my panasonic
sa-pm22, it works beautifully and sounds great. Ive also seend mini radio transmitters from radioshack for $50.00 that allows you to broadcast to a stereo on the fm band.

My neighbor has one of these and he uses it to hook his computer, and it sounds awesome.

Now, mabye apple is making a transmitter like this, but why would someone buy it if they could buy a lowertech version that works great?

Oh, and yeah, I use photoshop in my spare time. I am self taught, and I can see plainly with my own eyes that those 'photos' are fakes.

Just ask yourself - what morionic person in charge of this device would let, or even be allowed to let it out of their sight? Or let some other guy take it to the bathroom? whats he gonna do, look at porn on it??

I mean come on!

Oct 22, 2001, 09:38 PM
If I can:

- download mp3s & play through my stereo
- broadcast an internet radio station off it
- get QT live broadcasts of games (espn) for a fee on it
- take digital photographs with it
- get my email on it (remotely - out of airport range)
- use it as a cellphone
- keep appointments / contacts in it
- burn CDs
- possibly publish photos to my iTools or something

If it has:

- a small color display
- at least graffiti or simple "on screen" buttons including a fake keyboard (like PDAs have if you tire of graffiti)
- a huge HD
- connection ports out the ying yang
- a headphone jack
- a DVD player
- a built in timer (wake my ass up)
- iTunes visual effects

i'll pay tomorrow ASAP... or whenever this thing is available. Even if this thing is a larger component, with a "snap off" pda-like device where i can:

- listen to my mp3s
- read my emails prev-synced from OUTLOOK
- trade mp3s with another of these devices
- burn a CD of selected mp3s
- watch a DVD movie (!!! <-- alone kick ass)

i would be really happy. if it's merely a way of playing mp3s aorund the house, and connecting to the internet to get more of them without a "Mac"... then i think thats a pretty small market to hit.

if it has expansion for

- memory
- something like the Handspring Springboard

... wow that could rock. rock the casbah !

Oct 22, 2001, 09:39 PM
let's think general public here, and not tech geek. most people want a simple solution without all the messy wires running from room to room. plus, we have been missing the A/V interfaces (rca, s-video, etc) from previous models for a while now... maybe it is time to re-introduce the mac to the home theater?

Oct 22, 2001, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by gandalf55
Ok -

I just went to "http://www.apple.com/pr" to see if i could see anything there...

check the status bar... i swear i saw "tiny DVD" appear for a split second. I wonder if the pr release is somewhere on a sever & is time activated to appear for the press?

- I dunno. maybe i'm nuts?

The "Tiny DVD" you saw was for... suprise, the tiny_dvd.jpg image located about halfway down the page... next to the iDVD 2 info.

Here is a link to the image:

Oct 22, 2001, 09:45 PM
gandalf55... let's be reasonable. it's nice to dream, but let's come a little closer to reality: what can apple sell to the mass public, that is innovative, fills a niche, is easy to use and will make them some serious cash for the holdiay season?? i suppose we will find out tomorrow.

Oct 22, 2001, 09:46 PM
That device could exist, but it appears to be a mockup of someone's grand idea of what Apple *should* do.

Technically there are many ways it could be real. There is a single components low power AirPort compatible chip thats been done for many months.

LCDs are dirt cheap as is RAM and densities are quite high now. Dont think in terms of SIMMs, its all built in to save space. Engineering is all about tradeoffs (usually power vs. space vs. feature set in PDAs).

The buttons on the left are too "think" and would definately be nicked or rubbed or whatever.

I also doubt OS X could really run on such a thing. OS X is fairly modular, but you still need Carbon/Cocoa to do things with QuickTime or a GUI as they are all tied together.

As for right/left handedness, there are many mice that are right handed-only in shape. So thats almost a moot point. Most people are right handed so its a fairly safe bet.

I didn't see any stylus holder, a bit of a mistake on the artist's part. If it has handwriting rec. it needs a stylus.

Judging by the aproximate size of those tiles (6x6 or more likely 8x8) thats a fairly large "thing" and it appears rather thick. Maybe about the size of a Newton only wider and always in portrait mode.

Whomever made that did a good job (model mockup or 3D model, looks fairly real tho so its prolly a mockup).

I don't think that is what Apple will introduce, but it is possible they could produce such a device if all the technological pieces fell into place and they had a low price point.

Whatever Apple introduces many Mac people will wonder why it wasn't done sooner and the mainstream press will dismiss it as another failed attempt by Apple to garner marketshare/mindshare. Watch the stock drop as the pressure is released.

Heck, Apple should just pre-announce things and let their stock rise and never ship like Microsoft - oh wait when Apple does any pump and dump they get sued and when Microsoft does it they take over another market segment with all the cash they raise.

Oct 22, 2001, 09:56 PM
well, whatever the device ends up being, it needs to offer:

- expandability in:
on board software (whatever) - even if just the iTunes
RAM (very, very cheap)
HD (very cheap)

people, even with simple solutions, like the ability to upgrade without buying a new device. i know this isn't going to be a "Mac" per se, but i would have more faith in a device i knew i could purchase & use for some time before the technology was worn out. i don't think most people are happy with generic solutions anymore... things somewhat packed with features are better than trying to stack them on later down the lifecycle. and yes, i would say most of the world, esp. those into music & stereos, are tech saavy to some degree. if this thing has features i would never imagine myself using (and i felt like i didn't have to pay a ton more for something i wouldn't use much), i would feel more comfortable KNOWING that those features were there.

The ability to play DVDs on my television, paired with anything else I think would be a boon.

perhaps the thing will be like a PS2... but with the ability to Software Update automatically like the current OSX.

to use this thing one assumes you have Airport running in the house. airport isn't exactly cheap. it could drive airport sales most likely.

- just my additional $0.02.

has there been an announcement of a press conference or anything? the only way i knew about this was to see the articles on the MR homepage.

Oct 22, 2001, 10:02 PM
yea what time is this conference at anyway?

Oct 22, 2001, 10:21 PM
my guess: noonish EST the world will know.

Oct 22, 2001, 10:40 PM
If it was real, Apple legal would have shut it down by now :)

Oct 23, 2001, 12:00 AM
Marco said it best. They would have been ALL over that. Just a quick question here: How many of you would buy one if a) it were a set-top box or b) if it were a handheld, like a PDA on steroids? I can tell you I'd order it on the spot if it were a handheld, but I'd probably NEVER buy a set-top box. Reason: the box is a cool toy, but the handheld would actually be useful. I think it's just too small of a market to be a set-top box.

J - MacSlash
Oct 23, 2001, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by Gelfin

Okay, now who DOESN'T know at this point that everybody on Earth knows what a Photoshop lens flare looks like?

Not to mention the Apple logo would be upside down when opened. Apple moved away from doing that over a year ago.

Oct 23, 2001, 12:34 AM
Someone suggested a really big hard drive in this device. But why?

This device shouldn't cannabolize the main product line which are the computers themselves (the "digital hub") which already have hard drives in them. This device, as part of the digital lifestyle, should allow a user to connect to their computer and use it's horsepower to create or edit something the user has made or has captured using some other device.

The last frontier of digital devices that can be used in the home is digital video recording. Everyone I know still has a VCR! It uses TAPE! Why? Everything else we record to is digital, so why are people still using TAPE?

How about a box that lets me record my favorite TV shows onto my computer's hard drive? I just plug in my cable connection to a coax connector on the device, plug in a firewire cable from the device to my computer, download the channel listings through an ethernet port to my computer which is connected to the internet, program what I want to record using a simple program that works like iTunes, which may actually include recording 2 or more TV shows that are on at the same time on different channels, then watch them later on my TV *or* on my computer. No subscription fees to a service, no fiddling with the buttons on a remote to program what I want to record, and better quality than a video tape. All for $299. Now that's a device I could really use to complete my digital lifestyle!

Oct 23, 2001, 12:35 AM
Now they only have one picture of the "iWalk" on his desk. http://www.spymac.com/gfx/PA230004.JPG This picture is of much higher quality.

Oct 23, 2001, 12:52 AM
Note how it has about halved in size from the previous shots(relative to the keyboard and the tiles in the other ones). This is so obviously a fake. It's really quite laughable.

Oct 23, 2001, 01:11 AM

Oct 23, 2001, 01:18 AM
The shadows are even worse in his new high res image.

Nice try.

Oct 23, 2001, 01:25 AM
The only real problem with the image is that the light sources don't match up. It's actually a really cool model, and Apple would do right well to release a product like that. Of course, they'd probably want to include headphones with a portable device, so if the artist redos this pic again, s/he should add those in.

Oct 23, 2001, 02:08 AM
How amusing. They've taken most of the supposed 'spy' photos down, now, but left one up. It's so obviously fake...well, that's been beaten to death, already.

No, it won't be a handheld. Quite frankly, I don't have a clue what it will be (and I have the distinct feeling that none of you have a clue on this, either). I'll be excited when I check the Apple page tomorrow, but until then, I'll just be waiting. After all, what good does it do to say, "this is what it will be," or "this is what it should be," when one has absolutely no say in the matter? Absolutely no good at all.


Oct 23, 2001, 02:11 AM
When it really comes down to it, what the heck is the point of spending hours apon hours fabricating beautiful images such as those, only to obviously be shot down as fakes?
What is he/she trying to do? get hits on a page that says "your add here?"

Oct 23, 2001, 02:21 AM

Oct 23, 2001, 02:28 AM
It certainly is a waste of time but it is fun none the less.... I recall reading a post on a random mac forum about apple making purpose built devices for the NAVY. Pure hogwash I am sure but its just another thing to make you say hmmm.

Oct 23, 2001, 02:28 AM
Interestingly enough, the photos have changed on spymac since I first looked. The first set was of about 5 shots in a bathroom.

Now it's a closeup next to an apple keyboard...still has the look of photoshopping, but I love that there is a piece of paper in the background that says 'Dell' and a pack of marlboros off to one side...a designer with a sense of humor...or who knows, maybe it's real. I can't remember if that top button was on the previous one or not...and it still seems to be missing a stylus, as someone pointed out, and has a rather questionable ergonomic design.
But truthfully I'd much prefer this over some silly stereo component. Please don't introduce something for the home stereo...that just seems so...boring.

Looking in their graphics directory it looks like all previous images have been removed:

Oct 23, 2001, 02:33 AM
for the new device...heh.

Oct 23, 2001, 02:33 AM
It certainly is a waste of time but it is fun none the less.... I recall reading a post on a random mac forum about apple making purpose built devices for the NAVY. Pure hogwash I am sure but its just another thing to make you say hmmm.

Oct 23, 2001, 02:55 AM
The button was there, it's one of my least favorite features.

It's obviously a rendering, but very interesting nonetheless. I too would like something portable with a screen as opposed to a home component.


Oct 23, 2001, 02:57 AM
Apple are releasing a Digital Fish Tank , it will even have real Fish !!

Oct 23, 2001, 03:25 AM
The shadows are wrong on that 14 carat FAKE picture. And what's with the gay "iWalk" name?....More like "yDork".

Oct 23, 2001, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by bgreel
But truthfully I'd much prefer this over some silly stereo component. Please don't introduce something for the home stereo...that just seems so...boring.

I hate pesimists like you who will just speculate and dismiss whatever it is before it even comes out.

What if it's a component for the home stereo that links your home CD collection to those of all your friends and family?

What if it's a component for the home stereo that plays any song from any computer in your house via wireless airport?

What if it's a component for the home stereo that can download any new CD's that come out by your favourite artist with the touch of a button and a subscription?

What if it's a component for the home stereo that is voice activated and plays any song in your mp3 or CD collection by name?

What if it's a home stereo that can make you travel in time?

Whatever it is. You can't just dismiss it for one single fact like that if you have no friggin idea of what is is or what it does.

It's pesimists like you that ruin Apple's releases.

Oct 23, 2001, 04:47 AM

The time of the Press Conference is 10:00 (Sanfrancisco time or 2:00pm UK Time)

If you goto:


it basicly sits there are refreshs Apples HOTNEWS section about once every 60 seconds, making you to be one of the first to know.


PRAY FOR NEWTON2!! No Chance :(


Oct 23, 2001, 05:08 AM
No idea why anyone thinks of a bathroom, looking at that picture. And its TINY, that thing.... look at the space bar of the keyboard above it and the cigarette package.

Reading all the posts makes me wonder if I am seeing another picture as everyone else.

But, what rises my suspicion are a few things:
- the strange texture of the "metal", it looks like its painted with "hammerite".
- the odd looking chrome 'open' slide on the lid/(screen?)
- the total difference from apples ibook/powerbook design
- the fact that http://www.iwalk.com is registered. And not by Apple Inc.

Just a few hours.... then we may know.

Oct 23, 2001, 05:49 AM
i'm not predicting it but I'd like it to be an airport equipped IP phone that has some onboard storage and can be used as an MP3 player and voice recorder and answering machine.

Heck..if it had IM capabilities too it would explain their hiring of Eric Peyton from Epicware...

I think it's an iPhone...or iMessenger or iComm or something.


Oct 23, 2001, 06:32 AM

Many sources have told me that the press conference will be broadcast via quicktime.

I notice that Apples site has not changed at all, do you think they are going to change it soon??

If not, how do we view it??

Guy Wickenden

Oct 23, 2001, 06:59 AM
This is all a smoke screen. My close friend works for Apple UK and told me yesterday that they are actually going to announce the new LCD iMac. (Won't ship until end of November) All the rumors etc are a smoke screen! Why else did Apple say 'Hint - it's not a Mac'. To throw you all off the trail. And boy did that work.

10am PT - new LCD iMac announced.

You heard it here first.


Oct 23, 2001, 06:59 AM
Why is everyone so sure that today this iPod or iWalk or iWhatever thing will be anounced? Don't you think there would at least be a link to a press conference's info-page on Apple's site?

I am highly doubtful we will get to see something new on Apple.com today or anytime soon.

Just think how disappointing this year's MWNY was for the public. And Steve has felt that. So he won't make this fault again. He surely will never again walk upon the stage with nothing in his hands than yesterday's news news. Believe me.


Oct 23, 2001, 07:53 AM
Hey a new rendering is up. This time at least their background plate is a photo. A little tip for spymac.vom.... USE HIGH RESOLUTION TEXTURES. That way, everything won't look like ****! And lower your bump map on the cover, and try using a specular map...it helps add to the realism. Also, I like how the iWalk is giving off different shadows than everything else in the scene. What a scam of a site!

Oct 23, 2001, 09:00 AM



Oct 23, 2001, 09:02 AM

word @ macosrumors is iCrate ?

name it something like
- iListen
- iMusic
- iCan :)

Oct 23, 2001, 09:03 AM
So far nothing reported 2:28pm (14:28) expect I really do expect them to announce something today, if not why invite the press?


Oct 23, 2001, 10:19 AM
Why would apple have somthing with Dell written on it. That right there gives it away.

Oct 23, 2001, 10:27 AM
Sorry, I was out of town for the weekend, and wasn't about to access the web at 14.4... does anyone happen to have the old "bathroom" pics of this doodad in their cache that they can post somewhere?

I'd also like to point out that when the first images of the Cube were leaked, they got the same "God, what a horrible render!" treatment... you never know... ;)

Oct 23, 2001, 10:30 AM
Corrent, Why Dell?? and also, why has it got an old Apple Keyboard, surely every Mac in apple would have a Pro Keyboard. Also look at the size compare with the space bar, it is tiny, the small buttons must be only half a cm or 1/4 of an inch accross.

Dream on.

Oct 23, 2001, 10:37 AM
I did a search on Slashdot just now for apple stuff. CmdrTaco has posted an article (this morning) with iWalk and PDA in the title. It hasn't been released to the site yet, but (apparently due to a bug) it showed up in the search.

Looks like this might be the real thing...


Oct 23, 2001, 10:44 AM
Just because it's on Slashdot it's true?

He might be commenting on the fake. Jesus....

Oct 23, 2001, 10:55 AM
Looks like he /was/ commenting on a fake. The reason I suspected it was real was that it was posted at 9:30 and wasn't on the site. It was just buggy Slashcode instead. I figured there was an NDA that expired at, say noon, or whenever the press release went out.

My bad...


Oct 23, 2001, 10:57 AM
Does anyone know how long from now the conference will finish so we can finally see what this device really is?!

Oct 23, 2001, 11:00 AM
it is abvious it is a Photoshop picture.
The disign looks like a 3 years old Minidisk Player - nat Apple design at all -
Who would make a 2 panels PDA today ????

And if you look a the picture, there is a pack of Marlboro, and I don't think that today you will find ONE pack of cigaretes in the Apple Campus, as it is a NON SMOKING zone.....

And the Apple on the device is not centered .....

Oct 23, 2001, 11:19 AM
I have talked to Apple and they say the product will be listed on the site at

6 o'clock BST (2 o'clock America)

Guy Wickenden

Oct 23, 2001, 11:21 AM
I'm just bowled over, I couldn't - no, I wouldn't - allow myself to believe that Apple would release something... this exciting, this groundbreaking.

It's a breakthrough, truly!

Seriously though, is it just me? How long do we have to wait for this announcement ! It's obviously either: A) so incredible that all the journalists/movers-and-shakers that were invited are lost for words; or B) so incredibly awful that all the journalists/movers-and-shakers that were invited are lost for words.


Oct 23, 2001, 11:23 AM

As I said in the previous post, look above this one and it tells you. about 6 oclock UK time.


Oct 23, 2001, 11:24 AM
doesn't have a peep about this yet. perhaps because of security around the event, they figured its better to wait to report about something tanglible before turning themselves into a rumor mill.

i hope the earth shakes today with something kick-ass from Apple. if anyone has the ability to do it, it's Apple. historically they innovate like no one else.

anything resembling a pda = joyous, even if only a component of a larger device.

Oct 23, 2001, 11:31 AM
I have to say, it would be an amazing hoax if they didn't announce anything. I haven't seen this kind of frenzy since the amazing, world-saving invention 'ginger'.
Whatever happened to that? I haven't been saved yet.

Kind of illustrates what a bunch of pathetic mac-addicts we are, sigh. Don't I have anything better to do with my time?

Oct 23, 2001, 11:33 AM
Just think if we were not Mac-Heads we would be doing stuff like working, oh my god NEVER!!!! well atleast not until tommorow.

Guy Wickenden

Oct 23, 2001, 11:34 AM
I'm going to guess here, too, that the product will be announced today but not available for several months, like the iMac. Thus we've got several long months of intense speculation (and possibly gadget desire) to look forward to. Thanks Apple, I used to get work done, you know...

Oct 23, 2001, 11:34 AM
i just want to know if i'll be heading out to the Apple Store today or not (leaving work early)...

c'mon... dying to know here ;)

- well i posted before the one above i thought... maybe i'll need to know whether to save up cash or not then ;)

Oct 23, 2001, 11:41 AM

I don't think you will see for sale for a while, most probably a few weeks before Christmas. As normally companies are judged on how well they do a Christmas.

Guy Wickenden

Oct 23, 2001, 11:54 AM
strange...apple stock down on fairly high volume. I guess some people know already...?
or is it just more speculation?

Oct 23, 2001, 11:55 AM
Does anyone know where I could find those other Spy photos taken in a bathroom?
(If you have them, you can eMail them to me)

Oct 23, 2001, 12:00 PM
I think Apples Stock has gone down because every one is holding there breath in anticipation.




Oct 23, 2001, 12:02 PM
I agree - people are just tired of waiting -

So I am .....

It is becoming ridiculus -

Oct 23, 2001, 12:04 PM
Everyone should meet up in a chatroom at 5:50 BST or (1:50 American Time) and then we can discuss what we think before hand and after the release.

Any ideas??? Any good Chat Rooms??

Guy Wickenden

Oct 23, 2001, 12:07 PM

Oct 23, 2001, 12:07 PM

We only have 30 Minutes to go,


Guy Wickenden

Oct 23, 2001, 12:14 PM
when the product comes out...later this morning...i hope it looks as sleek and small as the so called photograph

i could care less what apple employees say or don't say on their own campus...trying to live in the high priced silicon valley getting paid less than their PC counterparts in cupertino has to make at least someone angry or jealous enough to leak information...if you don't live here like i do, come visit northern california and see what it costs for just a bagel an cup of coffee!!!

there are tons of techies who work for unknown, yet vital, IT companies right here in the valley that make real big bucks and would never take the huge pay cut to work for apple or microsoft's silicon valley campus...i guess that's why microsoft's workers tell me the proper name is microserf
...as an mcp, i could make almost what i want being self-employed...at microsoft, they offer 10 dollars an hour, 20 hours a week and you have to pay your way to redmond!!! so much for working for a high profile company

Oct 23, 2001, 12:17 PM
Do I detect some hostility in that last posting?!

Oct 23, 2001, 12:19 PM
I think so, As far as I know, all Apple personel I have ever spoken to (about 40) like it. They work there because they know they are making a difference.

Guy Wickenden

Oct 23, 2001, 12:20 PM

the macrumors.com server time seems to be off about 30mins... :)


Oct 23, 2001, 12:21 PM
A new Mac OS mp3 server has just been announced. This MUST be related! My bet is that the announcement will be a handheld device or PDA!!


Oct 23, 2001, 12:23 PM
These products already have part codes and will be available for purchase immediately!!

Brent Turbo
Oct 23, 2001, 12:24 PM
The hoax photos on macspy.com were rendered in Lightwave[6].

Ummm, isn't this device supposed to be a "breakthrough?" I've been listening to MP3s for about 3 years, so I wouldn't consider a device that plays MP3 files to be something out of the ordinary.

Have Some Aphex Acid
Oct 23, 2001, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Brent Turbo
Ummm, isn't this device supposed to be a "breakthrough?" I've been listening to MP3s for about 3 years, so I wouldn't consider a device that plays MP3 files to be something out of the ordinary.

I guess it's all about perspective. We'll see what it is soon enough.

Oct 23, 2001, 12:28 PM
True MP3s are not a break though but there is space for a wireless MP3 Player in my life.


Guy Wickenden

Oct 23, 2001, 12:30 PM
It's coming!!!! New PDA? New iMac? New Mp3 solution? who knows..... I can't wait

Apple news site is down.....



Oct 23, 2001, 12:30 PM
the apple education store is missing a square where the servers are located on the normal store site.... I wonder if apple would bother selling a simple mp3 player to schools. Dosent seem likely to me.

Oct 23, 2001, 12:31 PM


Oct 23, 2001, 12:34 PM
sorry it is


not /news


Can't wait. I minute to go.!

Oct 23, 2001, 12:34 PM
the US AppleStore is down.

Guy Wickenden

Oct 23, 2001, 12:36 PM
wow, they closed the online apple store for updating, perhaps they will be selling it today...?
ok. some excitement.

Oct 23, 2001, 12:39 PM
still waiting...

Oct 23, 2001, 12:42 PM
guessing 1:30pm est will be revealed - after the press conference?

Oct 23, 2001, 12:43 PM
Just kidding. What is it!! Where is it. I CAN"T WAIT ANY LONGER!

Oct 23, 2001, 12:46 PM
please go to http://www.costello-online.com/chat/public/

Oct 23, 2001, 12:49 PM
only, ah, negative fourteen minutes to go.

sorry, they just announced that the product announcement was cancelled.


Oct 23, 2001, 12:50 PM
Is there no QuickTime stream this time?

Oct 23, 2001, 12:51 PM
say it ain't so!!!!

Oct 23, 2001, 12:56 PM

ARE THEY KIDDING US ?????????????????????

Oct 23, 2001, 12:59 PM
It is strange there's no QT stream. I'm just doing the refresh dance on apple.com/pr, but is there a section they usually announce things on first?

Scab Cake
Oct 23, 2001, 01:00 PM

No, the guy was joking. Go to macminute.com to find out what's going on. It says right now...

Apple CEO Steve Jobs is currently recapping Apple's digital hub products, including iTunes, iMovie 2, iDVD, and Mac OS X's Image Capture application

Okay? It's not cancelled. :)

Scab Cake
Oct 23, 2001, 01:01 PM
Apple CEO Steve Jobs is currently recapping Apple's digital hub products, including iTunes, iMovie 2, iDVD, and Mac OS X's Image Capture application. [October 23 - 13:10-13:20]
Jobs is dicussing the market's current portable digital audio solutions. [13:20-13:25]
Apple introduces iPod, an MP3 player with a hard drive. [13:25]

I guess it really IS iPod!!


Oct 23, 2001, 01:03 PM
It is iPod - but is that all?

Oct 23, 2001, 01:03 PM

Oct 23, 2001, 01:03 PM
So, the name is IPOD !!!!!


Finally, we have some info .... (macminute.com)

Oct 23, 2001, 01:05 PM
well its ipod - what a a disappointment. A glorified mp3 player. revolutionary? no - not in the least.

what is going on in Apple hq? seriously folks, tiny incremental speed bumps, and now gimmicky toys like this. :mad:

Scab Cake
Oct 23, 2001, 01:05 PM
20 minute skip protection, 5 gb hard drive, 10-hour lithium-polymar battery which takes an hour to charge...

size of a deck of cards.

Oct 23, 2001, 01:15 PM
Interesting how apple is branching out from making personal computers, unlike other PC companies, and they are doing more what sony has been doing, only this time the products will be made for each other in their digital hub.

Nice to see them expand and influence different markets like they have done with Macs.

Oct 23, 2001, 01:16 PM
whats the price point?

$129 and I'm sold.

Oct 23, 2001, 01:27 PM

check it out on apple's website ....


Oct 23, 2001, 01:30 PM
But quite disappointing though ...

for this price i would have made something mor complete - like a real PDA WITH the 5gb hard drive for it is both a PDA AND a mp3 player ....

Scab Cake
Oct 23, 2001, 01:33 PM
I kinda agree... $400 is a bit much, isn't it? Then again, I've never been in the market for an mp3 player. I guess I won't be for a while, either. At least, not til the price comes down.

Oct 23, 2001, 01:35 PM
wow -
$300 Handspring = cell phone, pda, emailer... etc.

If it could play mp3s & costs $450 it would be a deal.

$399 for the iPod is simply too high. :(
Maybe I can get one cheaper on eBay...

Oct 23, 2001, 01:35 PM
for sure i want one, but $400 is quite pricey. better start saving?

Oct 23, 2001, 01:36 PM

All this for that ....


I don't call it a "breakthrough" !
I call it a beautifull and expensive toy that's it ....

Oct 23, 2001, 02:22 PM
I got all exited when I saw the "spy photos" I was ready to buy one as soon as I could... but an super Mp3 player? Its cool and i bet its one of the best out there.. but I dont even have a walkman anymore... I guess this is one Apple toy I wont be getting.

Oct 23, 2001, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by marco114
If it was real, Apple legal would have shut it down by now :)
maybe they dont want to shut it down so we can think it is not real? :-))

Oct 23, 2001, 11:25 PM
Whoever did the pictures for MacSpy ought to be shot. Seriously, someone /.'ed it, and once again Apple is the laughing stock of everyone else (of course they are all idiots because they have not seen the true light of apple, mwahaha), as usual. Whoever wrote the bogus story and made the photoshop pics is a lame individual with waaaay too much time on their hands. That's the last time I ever visit MacSpy.com, period.

Oct 24, 2001, 06:19 AM
did someone say something about detecting hostility in what i said? i certainly didn't mean to make it sound that way

...but if you want to find hostility, just look at the posts here since the introduction of the ipod