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MacRumors
Dec 5, 2003, 04:37 PM
Appleinsider claims (http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=261) that due to major corporate restructuring at Discreet (http://www.discreet.com/), the company may not continue with its Cleaner Video Application (http://www.discreet.com/products/cleaner/cleaner6/) -- which was undergoing new version development before layoffs hit the Mac Cleaner Development team

marcsiry
Dec 5, 2003, 04:40 PM
Final Cut Cleaner?

TylerL
Dec 5, 2003, 04:46 PM
They already have Compressor.

...but Cleaner does a lot of stuff that Compressor simply doesn't. I don't think I can get through a day without using Cleaner one way or another.

junior
Dec 5, 2003, 04:54 PM
That's so disapointing if true. I just don't know of any other comparable alternatives. Why would they stop?

Bob Knob
Dec 5, 2003, 05:08 PM
If true, it has been coming for a long time. Discreet has never been a completely Apple friendly company and Cleaner's development has been at a crawl ever since they bought out Terran Interactive. Unfortunately there really isn't another app that does all that cleaner can do.
The vast majority of Apple's own QuickTime movies are compressed with Cleaner I doubt they'd let this app just fade away. It wouldn't surprise me to see Apple pick this one up.

ITR 81
Dec 5, 2003, 05:12 PM
Is Discreet have money problems? Seems like prime op. for Apple to buy them out help them with their money issues.

nuckinfutz
Dec 5, 2003, 05:24 PM
Apple - Recently you said you'd look at further acquisitions if they were good for the company. Well this is good for the company. Open up them purse strings and see what you can do.

Compressor is good but a Compressor/Clearner hybrid would even better.

visor
Dec 5, 2003, 05:33 PM
would be indeed disappointing. esp. looking at the current version with all the problems with user management. it seems to be recoded from OS9 without even a little modification on user handling.
Otherwise it's a nice program.

mangoduck
Dec 5, 2003, 06:07 PM
faah but we need cleaner fgh nugbluff kaffftt

LethalWolfe
Dec 5, 2003, 06:20 PM
Wow. If Cleaner goes that is some serious bad news. Even w/Compressor and Sorenson Squeeze there is still a gap that, currently, only Cleaner fills.


Lethal

vannote
Dec 5, 2003, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by ITR 81
Is Discreet have money problems? Seems like prime op. for Apple to buy them out help them with their money issues.

Unfortunately, I think they would have to talk to Autodesk (ADSK) about that.

ClimbingTheLog
Dec 5, 2003, 07:49 PM
Wow, if Discreet is making decisions like this they really don't understand the market they're in, and as such is probably not long for the world. Beancounters and lawyers are really good at killing companies with good tech.

There's no reason that this shouldn't be part of QuickTime 8 Pro, though. Really, Cleaner is just making up for QuickTime's inadequacy.

Maybe Discreet really just wants Apple to buy their tech, and this is their way of saying so.

Any moles seen Discreet VP's around Cupertino recently? Maybe they already pitched and were rejected so now they're being babies (as beancounters are wont to do).

pianojoe
Dec 5, 2003, 07:54 PM
I'm a big fan of MediaPipe anyway. I never liked Cleaner, let alone the price.

barbarella
Dec 5, 2003, 08:41 PM
Believe it or not there are quite a few computers out there running Windows Media 9, and Cleaner 6 for Mac is unable to produce Windows Media 9 video!

That's right, they've had the SDK since early 03 from Microsoft and have yet to release a version that can produce this type of content.

The main excuse on Discreets Cleaner forum, from a couple of the developers who ever bothered to reply to direct questions from users, was that they were waiting for Microsoft to release Windows Media 9 for Mac.

That's a valid excuse seeing as you need the codec to be able to produce the content, but the problem is that it was released over a month ago - and still no update!

The problems actually began a few years ago, when Terran sold out to Discreet, owned by Autodesk - a rabidly anti-mac company. Zero Mac products from those guys.

Word at one trade conference after the acquisition was that Autodesk was using their new found leverage to try and force Mac users to switch to their PC version of Cleaner, which is always up to date with new codec releases.

Didn't work out that way though - yet!

j33pd0g
Dec 5, 2003, 09:15 PM
I wonder if Discreet's mac version of Combustion will follow this path. Also, this probably kill any hope for a mac version of 3d studio max.

Java
Dec 6, 2003, 12:00 AM
Ok, I do not mind compressor, but I can't do alternates in that program nor can I do sorenson 2-pass VBR. I live by Cleaner.

This would be a very dark day if Cleaner packed up and left.:(

Sunrunner
Dec 6, 2003, 04:54 AM
Cleaner was a very usefull program... it's loss will be missed.:mad:

bubbagump
Dec 6, 2003, 09:07 AM
Did Discreet's merger with Avid ever go through? Avid has a pretty large mac presence, and it would definitely not be their style to pull out of the mac business. Otherwise, if this never occurred, I think Discreet would be a great acquisition for Apple. By porting all of the big name pro apps like Fire and Smoke to the G5 with an XRAID or something, Apple would gain even more credibility in the production industry.

Keynoteuser
Dec 6, 2003, 10:41 AM
I've used Cleaner Xl for Windows. That app is a mess. NOTHING like Cleaner 6 for Mac. The interface is confusing, and there are NO buttons to do anything, just all these info windows. You are forced to go digging through the menus to find a way to even import a file, let alone to choose a codec for export. I was amazed at how bad it was, and as for what it can actually do, there were maybe 6-8 presets, nowhere NEAR the stuff in the Mac version. It looks like the little brother. If they drop it, I sure hope Apple adds Mpeg1 and Sorenson 2-pass VBR to Compressor as those are two things you can't do at ALL in Compressor right now.

legion
Dec 6, 2003, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by bubbagump
Did Discreet's merger with Avid ever go through? Avid has a pretty large mac presence, and it would definitely not be their style to pull out of the mac business. Otherwise, if this never occurred, I think Discreet would be a great acquisition for Apple. By porting all of the big name pro apps like Fire and Smoke to the G5 with an XRAID or something, Apple would gain even more credibility in the production industry.

No. Discreet is still owned by AutoDesk. Most of Discreet's stuff is about hardware sales (turnkey solutions) so I don't see the G5/XRAID idea taking off. I think only Combustion, Cleaner, and 3dStudioMax were/are the only products sold as software (without hardware.)

I don't think Discreet is targeting the prosumer level at all (or the FCP user.) Their hardware solutions (the majority of their products) fall far higher that the budgets of most of those types of users. Also, some of their best products compete (though at a whole different price range) directly against FCP and Shake.

bsitton
Dec 6, 2003, 04:55 PM
talked to a guy from Discreet last week-
here is what is going to happen-
because of the major differences in codecs the cleaner team will split into 2 teams, mac/pc
-they will have relase date off set by 6 months
- expect the next big mac release at at macexpo in Jan
-will have wmv 9 support and much much more

- they will be around for a while
-very commited to the mac
-this came from very high up
bs

Tuttle
Dec 6, 2003, 08:28 PM
Discreet going out of business would be a pleasant surprise.

I could rest easy at night knowing 3dsmax will never be ported to OS X.

j33pd0g
Dec 7, 2003, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Tuttle
Discreet going out of business would be a pleasant surprise.

I could rest easy at night knowing 3dsmax will never be ported to OS X.

What? Why? The more mac apps the better. If you hate it, just don't use it.

i am robot
Dec 7, 2003, 02:47 PM
Wouldn't it be nice to see Discreet's Smoke and Flame systems running on a G5? I see it as a viable option, as Discreet is moving away from the sinking ship known as SGI.

Not sure what effect that'd have on sales of Apple's Shake. So nevermind.

zamyatin
Dec 8, 2003, 12:29 AM
Is just the Mac version on the chopping block, or is the entire product headed for its end? I've never liked Autodesk because of their diehard windows stance, I wonder if that parent company is pushing this because of its own proclivities?

If the worst happens, Apple will hopefully fill the gap with a product of its own. This will only work to strengthen Apple in the video market in the long term, perhaps even pushing the windows platform entirely out over time. Let's hope!

elmimmo
Dec 8, 2003, 04:02 PM
If a newer Cleaner for Mac is indeed still in development, and its software engineers are reading this, there is one single feature that I've always hated Cleaner for missing it (not that I know any other software that has it, although I find it indispensable and amazing that they did not think about including it).

PLEEEEEASE, add a Suspend and Resume options, that survive after closing Cleaner, in case an energy shortage, unexpected quit, reboot, manual quit or whatever other interruption that might happen while Cleaner is doing its job.

gintonic
Dec 10, 2003, 03:38 AM
I've been using the Popwire Compression Master and it kills Cleaner in my
opinion and they have some really high-end Compression Engines as well. I
think Apple should buy that company instead. Check them out at
www.popwire.com (http://www.popwire.com)

/Johan

MagnusHoem
Dec 10, 2003, 05:14 AM
I've tried that as well and it works like a charm! Doesn't quit on me all the time and has real support for the big standards. Maybe not as widespread as Cleaner, but it's a great app!

LethalWolfe
Dec 11, 2003, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by gintonic
I've been using the Popwire Compression Master and it kills Cleaner in my
opinion and they have some really high-end Compression Engines as well. I
think Apple should buy that company instead. Check them out at
www.popwire.com (http://www.popwire.com)

/Johan


Unfortunetly the app is lacking WMP and Real support (at least they are not mentioned as output options on the site). And those two formats are the most used for web delivery. It also lacks MPEG-1 support (which is a great "generic" codec because it is almost universally playable.) and MPEG-2 support.

That's want makes Cleaner so popular, and valuable, is that it's the most flexible compressor out there. Not just in terms of what it will output, but also how many options you can tweak to make sure you get exactly what you are looking for.


Lethal

MagnusHoem
Dec 11, 2003, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by LethalWolfe
Unfortunetly the app is lacking WMP and Real support (at least they are not mentioned as output options on the site). And those two formats are the most used for web delivery. It also lacks MPEG-1 support (which is a great "generic" codec because it is almost universally playable.) and MPEG-2 support.

That's want makes Cleaner so popular, and valuable, is that it's the most flexible compressor out there. Not just in terms of what it will output, but also how many options you can tweak to make sure you get exactly what you are looking for.


Lethal

I heard a rumor somewhere that MPEG and Real support are being developed right now. WMP I don't know. But who want's Windows on their Mac anyways? ;)

NilsG
Nov 30, 2004, 03:45 AM
Seems like the Popwire Compression Master has it all now. MPEG-2, MPEG-4, Real Media and Windows Media 9 and more.
Check it out here:
http://www.popwire.com

wdlove
Nov 30, 2004, 08:17 AM
That's too bad, its sad when a Mac Software company goes under. I'm sure that if it's valuable to the Mac, then Steve will intervene.

mooncaine
Dec 19, 2004, 08:27 PM
They already have Compressor.

...but Cleaner does a lot of stuff that Compressor simply doesn't. I don't think I can get through a day without using Cleaner one way or another.

Same here. Compressor simply sucks, and Cleaner gets the [batch] job done.

Nermal
Dec 19, 2004, 08:44 PM
I have very little knowledge when it comes to this sort of thing, but I've seen several video files that say 'encoded with Cleaner' or something to that effect, and they've all looked appalling for their filesize. So personally I can't mourn the possible loss of Cleaner.

Edit: And I just noticed that this thread is a year old :eek:

zwilliams07
Dec 20, 2004, 01:36 AM
lol

BornAgainMac
Dec 20, 2004, 05:29 AM
What? Why? The more mac apps the better. If you hate it, just don't use it.

That was probably a troll...

Rod Rod
Dec 20, 2004, 03:56 PM
Seems like the Popwire Compression Master has it all now. MPEG-2, MPEG-4, Real Media and Windows Media 9 and more.
Check it out here:
http://www.popwire.com

Here's the link to the specific press release:

http://www.popwire.com/popwire_news.php?id=95

Now the only thing missing is h.264 AVC. :)

TylerL
Dec 21, 2004, 06:46 PM
Why doesn't Popwire work using standard QuickTime codecs?
I'd love a Cleaner-killer that deals with Sorenson 3 Pro.

LethalWolfe
Jan 3, 2005, 03:31 PM
I have very little knowledge when it comes to this sort of thing, but I've seen several video files that say 'encoded with Cleaner' or something to that effect, and they've all looked appalling for their filesize. So personally I can't mourn the possible loss of Cleaner.

Edit: And I just noticed that this thread is a year old :eek:


I've seen lots of really bad things cut w/FCP so does that mean FCP should be tossed? ;)

Cleaner is kinda like the Photoshop of its field. The treatment of the Mac version has been disappointing.


Lethal