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tsice19

Jun 19, 2008, 07:42 PM

From here: (http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2)

Update: Bell Canada and TELUS (formerly owned by Verizon) employees officially confirm that by 2012 ISP's all over the globe will reduce Internet access to a TV-like subscription model, only offering access to a small standard amount of commercial sites and require extra fees for every other site you visit. These 'other' sites would then lose all their exposure and eventually shut down, resulting in what could be seen as the end of the Internet.

Dylan Pattyn *, who is currently writing an article for Time Magazine on the issue, has official confirmation from sources within Bell Canada and is interviewing a marketing representative from TELUS who confirms the story and states that TELUS has already started blocking all websites that aren't in the subscription package for mobile Internet access. They could not confirm whether it would happen in 2012 because both stated it may actually happen sooner (as early as 2010). Interviews with these sources, more confirmation from other sources and more in-depth information on the issue is set to be published in Time Magazine soon.

What can we do?
The reason why we're releasing this information is because we believe we can stop it. More awareness means more mainstream media shedding light on it, more political interest and more pressure on the ISP's to keep the Internet an open free space. We started this social network as a platform for Internet activism where we can join forces, share ideas and organize any form of protest that may have an impact. If we want to make a difference in this, we have to join together and stand united as one powerful voice against it.
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This is insane. I can't fathom this happening.... I just can't.

Blue Velvet

Jun 19, 2008, 07:48 PM

officially confirm that by 2012 ISP's all over the globe

I'm not sure how a couple of ISPs in Canada (?) can confirm what is going to happen on a global basis. I'd like to hear more on this.

tsice19

Jun 19, 2008, 07:52 PM

I'm not sure how a couple of ISPs in Canada (?) can confirm what is going to happen on a global basis. I'd like to hear more on this.

Same.

But, IMHO, if one ISP doesn't hop on board, then wouldn't the whole system die?

I would hope this doesn't happen...

Voidness

Jun 19, 2008, 07:53 PM

If it somehow happens in Canada, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen in other countries. I highly doubt it'll happen anyway.

PlaceofDis

Jun 19, 2008, 07:54 PM

this is what they would like. but that doesn't mean it is going to happen.

Thanatoast

Jun 19, 2008, 08:00 PM

It seems to me this would only work if there was only one ISP available. Otherwise the other ISP's would target customers who want the whole internet. Maybe the government could pass laws saying non-approved sites are dangerous or something...as long as no one sues for censorship.

I'm sure some ISP's would absolutely love this model. I just things there's too many obstacles to it actually happening.

iJohnHenry

Jun 19, 2008, 08:19 PM

Well then, we will just have to make the bottom-liners sit up and take notice.

How about torching some of their sub-stations, and driving their costs through the roof??

calculus

Jun 19, 2008, 08:21 PM

Well, the internet was nice while it lasted but I am a tad bored with it now...

iTeen

Jun 19, 2008, 08:22 PM

Well then, we will just have to make the bottom-liners sit up and take notice.

How about torching some of their sub-stations, and driving their costs through the roof??
Count me in...;)

iJohnHenry

Jun 19, 2008, 08:25 PM

Well, the internet was nice while it lasted but I am a tad bored with it now...

HEY, I came late to the party, and I ain't done yet. :p

redwarrior

Jun 19, 2008, 08:30 PM

That's right. Screw them; we'll start our own.:p

Cybix

Jun 19, 2008, 08:32 PM

redwarrior

Jun 19, 2008, 08:36 PM

what a crock of ****.

and yesterday I was reading about how Cern have created 'the grid' which will be "the next internet". where you can download a feature length film in "a few seconds"...etc.

*yawn*
A friend said something to me about that about a month ago. I meant to look into it, but never did. That's how much it meant to me.

iJohnHenry

Jun 19, 2008, 08:39 PM

Not unlike concept cars at an auto show.

Take with liberal amounts of salt.

rorycornell

Jun 19, 2008, 09:05 PM

It is the end of freedom as we know it lets start a boycott against these people
lets start a revolution :apple::apple::apple::mad::mad::mad::mad:

iJohnHenry

Jun 19, 2008, 09:24 PM

Jefferson Airplane

Volunteers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SboRijhWFDU)

Look whats happening out in the streets
Got a revolution got to revolution

Hey Im dancing down the streets
Got a revolution got to revolution

Aint it amazing all the people I meet
Got a revolution got to revolution

One generation got old
One generation got soul
This generation got no destination to hold
Pick up the cry
Hey now its time for you and me
Got a revolution got to revolution

Come on now were marching to the sea
Got a revolution got to revolution

Who will take it from you
We will and who are we
We are volunteers of america

andiwm2003

Jun 19, 2008, 09:38 PM

by 2010 i would expect the first independent isp's with satellite coverage. :cool:

what a bs. that story is crap. they just want to hype their stock price.

just remember how the music industry took control of their content:rolleyes:

the isp's will be about as successful in controlling the web.

zap2

Jun 19, 2008, 09:42 PM

Google will flip a **** before they let this happen.

localoid

Jun 19, 2008, 10:10 PM

No, The Internet Doesn't End In 2012 (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/No-The-Internet-Doesnt-End-In-2012-95227)

millar876

Jun 20, 2008, 01:49 AM

Didn't AOL used to be like that ages ago when it first started. You could hang arround all the AOL sites and do IM and email, but if you wanted to access the whole of the inter-ma-web you needed to shell out for a higher package. Well this info is gleamed from adverbs I remember from when I was about 13 when the AOL lady said "with aol you can now surf the whole of the Internet at no extra cost"

killr_b

Jun 20, 2008, 01:54 AM

Wow is this so NOT new.

It's called internet 2. The telecom companies have been working on it for a while now.

Some of the points made so far:

AOL and Yahoo want to have customers pay for credits for how many emails a user can make/ receive in order to combat spam. Bill Gates here (http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/03/05/spam.charge.ap/)

You will need FCC permission (I live in the US so I don't know about anyone else's gov.) to start a website, and then the content will be subject to censorship like television is now.

It will be so fast (over 20 mb/sec downloads) you'll be able to watch movies over it. And since it's the same price, you'll WANT to switch! lol
Then they will stop upgrading and servicing internet 1 hubs until the infrastructure becomes useless.

The multi-tiered internet, where companies with a lot of money will get top spots on search engines and faster connections to customers, while small sites will be relegated to "snail lanes."

More secure. Yes, won't it be nice to know that the Pentagon is making sure all of your emails are safe and censored and all of your online purchases are checked on and reported to the IRS.
Post 9-11 security is such a scam.

According to the RIAA and the US government, we are all criminals.
The RIAA put forward the argument that by making a file available that you don't have a copyright for, you are breaking the law. But according to that argument (that the congress seemed to like a lot and are now reviewing laws around this idea) by linking to CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com) Macrumors is in violation of copyright law because they don't own the rights to any of the things on their hompage and by linking to it we made it available.

ISP want to have "secured logins" to access the net. By which they want a USB fingerprint dongle to let you access the net.

"Deep Packet Inspection" -there's no 4th on the net.
Internet technology giant Cisco urges these companies to "meter individual subscriber usage by application," as individuals' online travels are "tracked" and "integrated with billing systems." Such tracking and billing is made possible because they will know "the identity and profile of the individual subscriber," "what the subscriber is doing" and "where the subscriber resides." (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester)

Sorry I don't have links for everything, but as you can see by the date of the Bill Gates article in 2004, we've been talking about this for quite a while.

tdhurst

Jun 20, 2008, 02:29 AM

Control of information by restrictions such as these will be the precursor to the next great war. Not tomorrow, but it will happen.

Mark my words.

"You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead"

EricNau

Jun 20, 2008, 02:58 AM

The RIAA put forward the argument that by making a file available that you don't have a copyright for, you are breaking the law. But according to that argument (that the congress seemed to like a lot and are now reviewing laws around this idea) by linking to CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com) Macrumors is in violation of copyright law because they don't own the rights to any of the things on their hompage and by linking to it we made it available.
No, it would be like MacRumors stealing code from CNN's website and openly distributing it on their servers, which is clearly illegal. "Making a file available" is to say "distributing" or "hosting" not giving directions.

localoid

Jun 20, 2008, 10:08 AM

Woohoo! Tinfoil hat party!

saxman

Jun 20, 2008, 10:32 AM

Maybe they have some Mayans on staff there. The Mayan calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar) ends on December 12, 2012

David G.

Jun 20, 2008, 10:42 AM

Maybe they have some Mayans on staff there. The Mayan calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar) ends on December 12, 2012
Yep, if the world ends the internets gotta come with it.

Abstract

Jun 20, 2008, 12:41 PM

I don't care. I've been to the end of the internet, and then proceeded to do a few loops around MR. It's all about MR.

Sun Baked

Jun 20, 2008, 12:51 PM

Hmmm... talk about the US once again putting a stranglehold on domains and controlling them.

As soon as the control of domains is broken from US control and other countries get involved the flood gates will open.

China and Iran would likely become the place to go to host sites and get away from big brother.

Then the US would look just like any current country that has ISPs block access to websites and censor the internet.

tsice19

Jun 23, 2008, 09:54 AM

To everyone who think I'm crazy for posting this, I didn't post it because I believed it or was scared by it. I'm marginal in this topic. I posted it because talk of is going around the internet. I found out about this from a friend... and I decided then to share it with MacRumors.

***

Anyway, speaking to the theory, I do like the fast part of it, but I don't like the censorship part. Whatever happened to freedom of the press, free speech, and this being a free county?

zebraman

Jun 23, 2008, 12:57 PM

If it somehow happens in Canada, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen in other countries. I highly doubt it'll happen anyway.

Well actually a month ago a read something about ATT saying the same thing. And thats american...not canadian.

themadchemist

Jun 25, 2008, 12:44 AM

Maybe the government could pass laws saying non-approved sites are dangerous or something...as long as no one sues for censorship.

As you point out, a suit would be all it would take to take care of this one, in the US at least. I strongly doubt that the Supreme Court would buy an argument for broadly restricting access to websites.

Fukui

Jun 25, 2008, 03:07 AM

As you point out, a suit would be all it would take to take care of this one, in the US at least. I strongly doubt that the Supreme Court would buy an argument for broadly restricting access to websites.

Well, see. It depends on who gets nominated, and who does the nominating. A president (like say bush) can have a profound impact on the supreme court if they have a chance to nominate someone new, like when a judge retires etc...

themadchemist

Jun 25, 2008, 10:46 AM

Well, see. It depends on who gets nominated, and who does the nominating. A president (like say bush) can have a profound impact on the supreme court if they have a chance to nominate someone new, like when a judge retires etc...

I would guess even Bush's nominees would vote against internet censorship. The court has ruled strongly in favor of striking down internet anti-obscenity laws (7-2 in the 1997 CDA ruling from Reno vs. ACLU, and 8-1 in 2002 COPA ruling from ACLU vs. Ashcroft--though there was a lot of disagreement from concurrent viewpoints in the latter case).

Fukui

Jun 25, 2008, 10:52 AM

I would guess even Bush's nominees would vote against internet censorship.
I hope so........ but you never know...... all it takes is another "War on XYZ" and judges on both sides might capitulate....:rolleyes:.

7on

Jun 26, 2008, 05:58 PM

iJohnHenry

Jun 26, 2008, 07:59 PM

Well, try this one on for size.

If the Internet does indeed end in 2012, so ends the revenue stream.

solvs

Jun 26, 2008, 11:17 PM

The ironically named Net Neutrality keeps failing miserably, this will die a quick death if this restrictive as well.

themadchemist

Jun 26, 2008, 11:57 PM

If the Internet does indeed end in 2012, so ends the revenue stream.

Yeah, and I wouldn't underestimate the power of the Google lobbyists. Remember, if you can only access a set list of sites, then Google search probably loses a huge chunk of revenue (or has to vastly change its business model). I don't think they'd be too pleased.

It's strange. Here's one time I'm glad that Google's got deep pockets and lots of political capital.

pianojoe

Jun 29, 2008, 04:07 PM

This can't happen. ISPs also make revenue by supplying webspace to people. If ISP X finds that ISP Y is blocking access to X's customers' web sites, they'll do the same thing to them. That would mean, no internet for all—which is an interesting business modell, if you're an ISP.

idyll

Jun 29, 2008, 10:59 PM

No way this can happen! :eek:

kabunaru

Jun 29, 2008, 11:05 PM

Something will happen in 2012... There is just too much stuff about the year 2012.

TuffLuffJimmy

Jun 29, 2008, 11:19 PM

Something will happen in 2012... There is just too much stuff about the year 2012.

saying 'biggy smalls' a few times in the mirror must cause biggy smalls to appear. There's just too much talk about ....biggy smalls.

Eric5h5

Jun 30, 2008, 12:34 AM

Yep, something will happen in 2012. Actually, probably a whole year's worth of stuff will happen.

Oh, you mean something *important*, as in wigged-out nonsensical prophesying something? Nope, sorry. :)

--Eric

kabunaru

Jul 14, 2008, 12:30 PM

Yep, something will happen in 2012.

--Eric

Yes, something big will happen in 2012:
http://www.aprogrammingpro.com/2008/03/04/december-21-2012-7-prophecies-of-doom/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPNcUJuiLY

TuffLuffJimmy

Jul 14, 2008, 01:34 PM

Yes, something big will happen in 2012:
http://www.aprogrammingpro.com/2008/03/04/december-21-2012-7-prophecies-of-doom/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPNcUJuiLY

hahahaha my favorite part about that youtube clip is how that guy 'discovered' that the chinese book matched up with a timeline and ended on Dec 21, 2012! Of course it ended there, there weren't any units to the Chinese book that matched a timeline so he could decide where it ended. You could end it on any date.
Kabunaru, you have to be the most gullible person on macrumors :rolleyes:

kabunaru

Jul 14, 2008, 02:30 PM

Kabunaru, you have to be the most gullible person on macrumors :rolleyes:

You are the least gullible person on MacRumours. :rolleyes:
If something does happen on December 21, 2012 you won't be laughing anymore.
Why don't you want to believe? There's so much stuff about the year 2012. Why won't you accept it and admit something will happen in the year 2012?
Why do you dare to challenge the Mayans who were great astronomers and their calendar?

TuffLuffJimmy

Jul 14, 2008, 03:11 PM

You are the least gullible person on MacRumours. :rolleyes:
If something does happen on December 21, 2012 you won't be laughing anymore.
Why don't you want to believe? There's so much stuff about the year 2012. Why won't you accept it and admit something will happen in the year 2012?
Why do you dare to challenge the Mayans who were great astronomers and their calendar?

Well as Eric5h5 said I'm sure a whole year's worth of stuff will happen in 2012.

And yes, the Mayans were a great people... now they're dead. Didn't predict that did they? Absolutely anyone can make a wild claim about the end of the world. I'll do them one better and say it's the end of Mars as well on Dec. 21, 2012, that's right! The end of two freaking worlds.

ionlygreat

Jul 14, 2008, 04:45 PM

aah, the end of the world...almost everyone has a prediction about when that's gonna happen...
in fact, i remember watching a show about how the world was going to end in the year 2000 - the show was a documentary about a man who went to great lengths to see the 'angels' on that 'last day.' Wonder where he is now. Maybe he'll be back in 2012 and we're gonna come a full circle

skunk

Jul 14, 2008, 04:48 PM

Maybe he'll be back in 2012 and we're gonna come a full circleBetween 2000 and 2012 we should have come 12 full circles if things are working right.

Eric5h5

Jul 14, 2008, 10:27 PM

Why don't you want to believe? There's so much stuff about the year 2012.

Utterly meaningless. The amount of "stuff" about any subject is completely and totally irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether it's real, and a bunch of people making up stuff doesn't make it real. Might want to look up Logic 101 someday. :rolleyes:

--Eric

benlee

Jul 14, 2008, 11:40 PM